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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Red,
I encourage you to get rid of the patches all together. They are doing nothing more than prolonging the inevitable. At some point, you will need to face your body's withdrawal system. It isn't going to be easier at 7mg than it is today.
I understand you've 'tried' quitting cold turkey, but you're here now. This time is different. You could trash those patches, flush 'em, and be on Day 1 today. Think about it. Why wait to get your life back? It seems simple to me - TODAY! There is a lot of power in 'right now'.
This may not be the most persuading argument. You're about to get a lot more, just watch.
Here's the deal though: This is a STRICT no nicotine site. As long as you are wearing patches, you may post here in the Introductions. You can read all you want, and I encourage that. You can even jump on chat, if you dare...but you may NOT post in any of the Members Only Areas until you are completely nic free. I know you understand.
PM me if you need to, but just so you know, I won't have much to say until you DECIDE to kick this bitch to the curb, and the bitch is living on your arm right now.
Your move.
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Red.....
I will tell you this..You wont find a more bad ass quitter than NOLAQ...He is wise and you would be wise to listen....Its the Nic bitch telling you that you cant quit today....Its the nic bitch whispering in your ear that you need her that you cant live without her....This site is full of people jsut like you...Dipped for as long as you, longer than you and less than you....They have one thing in common though..They are quit...They decided to take that first step and just say fuck it I am taking my life back....I am done with being a slave to a fucking can of shit....You dont see it now and you may never see it but trust me....Quitting is so fucking awesome, its freedom that you forgot about and its a choice you will need to make sooner or later.....This site works, being accoutable works....Are you willing to take that first step...Its fucking scary but you will not be alone, you can do it....Get rid of the bitch.....
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These two are right on, patches are no good. They maintain the addiction, albeit in another form. Kinda like drinking Vodka instead of Whiskey.
You say you've TRIED to quit cold turkey, but the problem is in the word TRY. It leaves you open to the option of failure.
I suggest that this time, get your reasons laid out, get your mind right, and just all out, balls to the wall, quit. Failure is not an option.
Repeat after me: "I am quitting tobacco. It is more important than anything else I will do today. It may hurt, may brain may fog up, I'm likely to get more pissed off than I've been in a long damn time, but quitting will not kill me. Nicotine will."
Once you get his attitude, step up to the plate, and we will be your team to help you through whatever may come.
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Well at least you are trying, I will give you that.
When you are ready to put your big boy pants on we will be here for you. Why so harsh you ask? Because the hundreds before you that have quit cold turkey know it is the only way and we do not recognize or support any other way.
So, see you down the road.
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Nicotine is keeping you addicted to tobacco, which is killing you.
Some day you will quit for good.
You will quit when you no longer believe that you need nicotine for anything.
Today, you think that you need nicotine to help you quit using nicotine.
You can cite a lot of reasonable arguments for talking this way.
To me, an addict, that sounds like an addict talking.
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Looking for an easy way out? Man, I wish there was one. If there were an easy way to quit nicotine everyone on this site could have avoided what you must go through. Sir, it must be done. There is no easy way. Nicotine withdrawal sucks.
Start Now. I did it. They did it. YOU can do it.
If you need personal assistance in this journey I can help. PM me. Those that responded to your post already are all bad ass quitters. They know. Sorry, it is what it is.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
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Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
'The best laid schemes of mice and men
Go often askew,
And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
For promised joy!'
I always had a plan to quit. Planed to quit when I got my first real job. Many a New Years...I had a plan. Many a Monday morning...I had a plan to quit, you know after just one more weekend. Found out my wife was pregnant...I had a plan to quit then too. None of those plans ever worked.
I came here and threw all the past plans out the window. Realized all I had to do was give my word and quit for one day. The days somehow started to add up without me ever planing for how I would handle 6 weeks down the road. That is all you have to do too.
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From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.Â
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
Using patches won't always prevent you from quitting someday. Use them if you feel you must. I tried them. Gum and lozenges, too (blech). Many of us have. In retrospect they seem to be little more than a means of procrastination.
But I learned something else, that's more significant. I'm not unique. Studies back me up:
Even if patches help you quit, they do not prevent you from starting again.
Here's what that means, in practical terms. Before 6 months have passed, after the completion of a successful course to cessation, nearly 9 of 10 have resumed tobacco use. You'll find similar recidivism with all "methods" - (including cold turkey). Quitting is not the problem. It's how to stay quit that matters.
That's why we concentrate on what keeps you quit. It's so simple that people pick it up and start preaching it immediately - it's obvious, and it works. Only one thing keeps you quit, and that's keeping the decision you made to stop.
We can help you to do that. When you need help, let us know.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I don't really care if someone chooses to use patches or not. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable. You might think you are 'softening the blow' by weaning off the nicotene, but IMO you are just prolonging the physical withdrawal.
To me it is just like jumping into very cold water, versus slowly wading.... or ripping a band-aid of your hairy arm versus slowly pulling back on it. Is it better to feel less pain over a longer period, or have a bit more pain but be done with it fast???
Me? I'll always jump right into the cold water and tear the band-aid fast. Thats just the kind of guy I am.
just my 2 cents.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I don't really care if someone chooses to use patches or not. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable. You might think you are 'softening the blow' by weaning off the nicotene, but IMO you are just prolonging the physical withdrawal.
To me it is just like jumping into very cold water, versus slowly wading.... or ripping a band-aid of your hairy arm versus slowly pulling back on it. Is it better to feel less pain over a longer period, or have a bit more pain but be done with it fast???
Me? I'll always jump right into the cold water and tear the band-aid fast. Thats just the kind of guy I am.
just my 2 cents.
No one has told you to leave. No one has told you you're wrong. In fact, I see nothing but support from a lot of solid quitters. Some of which have used the exact method you are using now.
Here's the thing: You say you haven't heard a good argument to NOT try the patches. I haven't heard any argument from you to go cold turkey except, "I've tried that before". Well, that's the whole difference.
You try, we do.
My stance on this is, at some point, you're going to HAVE to go cold turkey. You say that cold turkey will be easier from 7mg than whatever you're taking in now. What makes you so sure? Withdrawal is withdrawal.
The other big difference between you and us is, I KNOW I will not ingest nicotine into my body today. I've made my promise. I don't have to worry, or wonder about "in a few weeks".
Listen, you're welcome here. Please, sit, read, read, and read. When you are ready - when you have the MINDSET that you are ready to kick this little whore to the curb...we are still going to be here, ready for you. The question is, are YOU ready for us? Are YOU ready to Quit?
Shoot me a PM when you're ready...
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I don't really care if someone chooses to use patches or not. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable. You might think you are 'softening the blow' by weaning off the nicotene, but IMO you are just prolonging the physical withdrawal.
To me it is just like jumping into very cold water, versus slowly wading.... or ripping a band-aid of your hairy arm versus slowly pulling back on it. Is it better to feel less pain over a longer period, or have a bit more pain but be done with it fast???
Me? I'll always jump right into the cold water and tear the band-aid fast. Thats just the kind of guy I am.
just my 2 cents.
No one has told you to leave. No one has told you you're wrong. In fact, I see nothing but support from a lot of solid quitters. Some of which have used the exact method you are using now.
Here's the thing: You say you haven't heard a good argument to NOT try the patches. I haven't heard any argument from you to go cold turkey except, "I've tried that before". Well, that's the whole difference.
You try, we do.
My stance on this is, at some point, you're going to HAVE to go cold turkey. You say that cold turkey will be easier from 7mg than whatever you're taking in now. What makes you so sure? Withdrawal is withdrawal.
The other big difference between you and us is, I KNOW I will not ingest nicotine into my body today. I've made my promise. I don't have to worry, or wonder about "in a few weeks".
Listen, you're welcome here. Please, sit, read, read, and read. When you are ready - when you have the MINDSET that you are ready to kick this little whore to the curb...we are still going to be here, ready for you. The question is, are YOU ready for us? Are YOU ready to Quit?
Shoot me a PM when you're ready...
It's obvious that your still letting the addict speak for you. You want to quit, but not quite willing to do what it takes. Addicts can always justify their behavior. Addicts cannot be reasoned with, even in the face of hard facts (speaking of, can someone help me find an old skoal monster post laying out all the hard facts against NRT).
Give our method of cold turkey, large nuts, and solid support a chance for just a bit. Then the quitter within will gain strength over the addict. And once your inner quitter is speaking for you, success is guaranteed.
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I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.Â
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I am going to follow your logic here for a bit.
"Hey guys, my name is redtrain. I am a 1/2 gallon a day, rock gut vodka alcoholic and I am done. My plan is to toss out my vodka and switch to Miller Lite. I will start with a 12 pack and ween myself down to a 40oz when I will then be able to kick this nasty addiction in the ass."
That is quitting booze....by using booze. You are quitting nicotine by using nicotine. To continue, would you quit cocaine by smoking crack? Oxy by using vicadin? The list goes on.
Are people successful with the patch? Sure....but I can promise you a couple of things. The patch is not a magic bullet. Whatever that last step is, whatever that last dose of nicotine is, when you finally go to no nicotine whatsoever.......IT'S GOING TO SUCK!. Don't think for one second that its not. Any doctor or advertisment that tells you otherwise is full of shit. You're going to go through 3 days of severve pain no matter what.
It's your choice. Personally, the only thing I care about is that when you post here, it's a nicotine free post. So, when you are ready, when your are done with the patch program, you will find support here.
I wonder....does nicorette provide a toll free help line? Like a help line to a former nic addict, one that has been in your shoes. One that can talk you off a cliff when that patch just isn't doing what the commercials promise you?
We do.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I don't really care if someone chooses to use patches or not. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable. You might think you are 'softening the blow' by weaning off the nicotene, but IMO you are just prolonging the physical withdrawal.
To me it is just like jumping into very cold water, versus slowly wading.... or ripping a band-aid of your hairy arm versus slowly pulling back on it. Is it better to feel less pain over a longer period, or have a bit more pain but be done with it fast???
Me? I'll always jump right into the cold water and tear the band-aid fast. Thats just the kind of guy I am.
just my 2 cents.
No one has told you to leave. No one has told you you're wrong. In fact, I see nothing but support from a lot of solid quitters. Some of which have used the exact method you are using now.
Here's the thing: You say you haven't heard a good argument to NOT try the patches. I haven't heard any argument from you to go cold turkey except, "I've tried that before". Well, that's the whole difference.
You try, we do.
My stance on this is, at some point, you're going to HAVE to go cold turkey. You say that cold turkey will be easier from 7mg than whatever you're taking in now. What makes you so sure? Withdrawal is withdrawal.
The other big difference between you and us is, I KNOW I will not ingest nicotine into my body today. I've made my promise. I don't have to worry, or wonder about "in a few weeks".
Listen, you're welcome here. Please, sit, read, read, and read. When you are ready - when you have the MINDSET that you are ready to kick this little whore to the curb...we are still going to be here, ready for you. The question is, are YOU ready for us? Are YOU ready to Quit?
Shoot me a PM when you're ready...
It's obvious that your still letting the addict speak for you. You want to quit, but not quite willing to do what it takes. Addicts can always justify their behavior. Addicts cannot be reasoned with, even in the face of hard facts (speaking of, can someone help me find an old skoal monster post laying out all the hard facts against NRT).
Give our method of cold turkey, large nuts, and solid support a chance for just a bit. Then the quitter within will gain strength over the addict. And once your inner quitter is speaking for you, success is guaranteed.
Look man I see your logic, I really do. 63 days ago I was you. Sitting there with that itchy ass 21mg nic patch on my shoulder. I had dipped a can to can and half a day for 23 years as well. Our similarities are eerie to say the least. I even dipped redseal for crying out loud. I reasoned the same way you did. I did my research and and found most cans of snuff have about 400 mg of nicotine in them. I then calculated I absorbed maybe half or at least a quarter of that so I was cutting my dosage down by a factor of 5 at the least. It all made sense to me until.....
I was 13 days through using patches when I found this site. Thinking oh wow cool a support site. I stumbled into chat and started chatting with two guys name tarpon17 and klark. It started harmlessly at first until they found out I was sitting there with a patch on my arm. The ripped my ass and called me every name in the book. Slave, addict, pussy, you name it.
Reeling with a wounded ego and very hurt pride I stormed out of chat. Then I got pissed. Fuck those guys, I don't need this damn patch, but still I didn't take it off. I was afraid, of the unknown, of the withdrawl, of failing.
The following morning I woke up and went through my routine. It wasn't until I got to work that I realized I had taken off my 13th patch without ever putting #14 on. I panicked, called my wife and asked her to drop it off with me on her way to work. She came by about an hour later and gave it to me. I looked at that white square package and thought about what they had told me in chat the day before. Then I said to myself "well I've been quit this long, I'll just see how long I can make it. If it gets too bad I'll just put on the patch." I put the patch in my shirt pocket and kept it with me for 4 days. Then I threw it out and haven't had any nic since then.
My point of this long story is that you can do it cold turkey. This site is full of guys that have. You don't need that nicotine pacifier on your shoulder. I'm walking talking proof of all this. Don't waste time feeding your nic addiction. Take the patch off, and grind it out. It is going to be tough, but rage got me through. Anger at my weakness, my addiction, my past failures. All of it motivated me through.
You can do this my man, I got your back.
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After 23 years of dipping and numerous failed quits, I am on day three of no tobacco. This is longer than I have gone without it in 23 years..
From reading the posts on this board, it sounds as if many of you disapprove of using nicotine patches.
I guess I can understand the logic since the patch is giving you 21mg of nicotine a day. However, I have tried and failed to quit many times cold turkey. Call me weak, a wimp, whatever... I don't care because it is working. The patch has (so far) made it manageable to go from 1.5 cans a day of Red Seal to no tobacco at all.
I realize I will have to taper from 21mg to 14mg to 7mg, and then to nothing. That seems a lot more realistic to me to go from 7mg to nothing than to try to go from the stratospheric levels that I was using to nothing.
I passed a C-store this morning on the way to work and was very tempted to stop for a can. Instead, I came on into work, and pulled up this site.
Thanks for having this site. It is helpful.
Welcome to the site, Red.
You really haven't quit. You've merely altered the form of the carrier that brings the drug into your system.
The side effects of quitting will be essentially the same whether you are on the patch (whatever dosage) or still dipping.
The best thing to do is to flush everything, fight through the first weeks one day or even one minute at a time, join your quit group and commit to posting roll every day.
You can do this. If I did, so can you.
Go for it!!
I didn't say that I have quit. I said I was on day three of no tobacco.
From the responses, I see that I have touched a nerve by admitting that I am using nicotine patches. You guys make some good and valid arguments, but I am still not sure that I agree with you.
Here is the best way I can think of to explain my logic:
For arguments sake, lets just say that as a heavy dipper, I was putting 35mg of nicotine into my system. I don't know that that is a valid number, but I know it is higher than the 21mg I am getting on the patch because I still feel strong cravings.
So, switching from snuff to the patch, I have lowered my intake from 35mg to 21mg. After a few weeks, I will lower it again to 14mg. A couple weeks after that, I will lower it again to 7mg. Finally, after two more weeks I will lower it to 0mg.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier and realistic to go from 7mg to zero than from 35mg to zero.
As I said before, cold turkey has not worked for me. Why is it so awful to try things a different way?
I greatly appreciate the responses so far, and I look forward to hearing responses to this. My mind is not closed, but so far I have not heard a good reason to not give the patches a try. Altruistic and sanctimonious ideals are great when they provide results, but sometimes the solution to a problem is ugly and not elegant.
Regardless of whether we agree or not, you guys are doing a good and helpful thing here, and I appreciate it.
I don't really care if someone chooses to use patches or not. All they are doing is delaying the inevitable. You might think you are 'softening the blow' by weaning off the nicotene, but IMO you are just prolonging the physical withdrawal.
To me it is just like jumping into very cold water, versus slowly wading.... or ripping a band-aid of your hairy arm versus slowly pulling back on it. Is it better to feel less pain over a longer period, or have a bit more pain but be done with it fast???
Me? I'll always jump right into the cold water and tear the band-aid fast. Thats just the kind of guy I am.
just my 2 cents.
No one has told you to leave. No one has told you you're wrong. In fact, I see nothing but support from a lot of solid quitters. Some of which have used the exact method you are using now.
Here's the thing: You say you haven't heard a good argument to NOT try the patches. I haven't heard any argument from you to go cold turkey except, "I've tried that before". Well, that's the whole difference.
You try, we do.
My stance on this is, at some point, you're going to HAVE to go cold turkey. You say that cold turkey will be easier from 7mg than whatever you're taking in now. What makes you so sure? Withdrawal is withdrawal.
The other big difference between you and us is, I KNOW I will not ingest nicotine into my body today. I've made my promise. I don't have to worry, or wonder about "in a few weeks".
Listen, you're welcome here. Please, sit, read, read, and read. When you are ready - when you have the MINDSET that you are ready to kick this little whore to the curb...we are still going to be here, ready for you. The question is, are YOU ready for us? Are YOU ready to Quit?
Shoot me a PM when you're ready...
It's obvious that your still letting the addict speak for you. You want to quit, but not quite willing to do what it takes. Addicts can always justify their behavior. Addicts cannot be reasoned with, even in the face of hard facts (speaking of, can someone help me find an old skoal monster post laying out all the hard facts against NRT).
Give our method of cold turkey, large nuts, and solid support a chance for just a bit. Then the quitter within will gain strength over the addict. And once your inner quitter is speaking for you, success is guaranteed.
Look man I see your logic, I really do. 63 days ago I was you. Sitting there with that itchy ass 21mg nic patch on my shoulder. I had dipped a can to can and half a day for 23 years as well. Our similarities are eerie to say the least. I even dipped redseal for crying out loud. I reasoned the same way you did. I did my research and and found most cans of snuff have about 400 mg of nicotine in them. I then calculated I absorbed maybe half or at least a quarter of that so I was cutting my dosage down by a factor of 5 at the least. It all made sense to me until.....
I was 13 days through using patches when I found this site. Thinking oh wow cool a support site. I stumbled into chat and started chatting with two guys name tarpon17 and klark. It started harmlessly at first until they found out I was sitting there with a patch on my arm. The ripped my ass and called me every name in the book. Slave, addict, pussy, you name it.
Reeling with a wounded ego and very hurt pride I stormed out of chat. Then I got pissed. Fuck those guys, I don't need this damn patch, but still I didn't take it off. I was afraid, of the unknown, of the withdrawl, of failing.
The following morning I woke up and went through my routine. It wasn't until I got to work that I realized I had taken off my 13th patch without ever putting #14 on. I panicked, called my wife and asked her to drop it off with me on her way to work. She came by about an hour later and gave it to me. I looked at that white square package and thought about what they had told me in chat the day before. Then I said to myself "well I've been quit this long, I'll just see how long I can make it. If it gets too bad I'll just put on the patch." I put the patch in my shirt pocket and kept it with me for 4 days. Then I threw it out and haven't had any nic since then.
My point of this long story is that you can do it cold turkey. This site is full of guys that have. You don't need that nicotine pacifier on your shoulder. I'm walking talking proof of all this. Don't waste time feeding your nic addiction. Take the patch off, and grind it out. It is going to be tough, but rage got me through. Anger at my weakness, my addiction, my past failures. All of it motivated me through.
You can do this my man, I got your back.
Redsealhell, if that dissertation by SoTex isn't a strong enough kick, I don't know what is. I'm not going to give you as much shit over your choice as some folks on this site. I don't agree, but it's your choice. All of us are here because we firmly believe in the KTC methods and are living proof they work. 239 days ago, I was staring at a wall of addiction that I thought I could never climb. I have not had any nicotineat all since that day. No patches, no fake dip, just quit. It took me 19 years to build the wall, and I'm slowly tearing it down with the help of my friends here. Teaka and I are from the same HOF group, and I agree with him: just get on with it, and you won't have to anticipate withdrawal in xx weeks. We're here to help when you make the decision.
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Redseal....you cannot put a price on the support that waits for you. Ditch the shit. Save your money. Embrace the NOW and let's get this done.
We know you're scared. Man up and take your life back!
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Can you remember what YOU were like before nicotine?
You are not yourself now; you are nic's slave.
Dump the stuff.
The freedom you'll experience is fantastic as you become the REAL YOU again!!
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
Yep, it may seem like we are being overly harsh at times, but we really do want what is best for you and that is to be Quit!
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
Yep, it may seem like we are being overly harsh at times, but we really do want what is best for you and that is to be Quit!
Who knows? You know. I can tell that from this last post.
Just today, you've changed from "I won't quit cold-turkey." to "Maybe I will change my mind.". That is the addict talking - trying to escape the addiction. Deep down, you know you want (and need) to just quit right now. Make that decision, and it will be a moment of true badassery. Throwing down those patches will be a huge boost to your pride, and that one thing alone will help you stay quit. When you get done "mentally processing" this and decide to QUIT and post a "Day 1", send me a PM so I can celebrate with you.
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
Yep, it may seem like we are being overly harsh at times, but we really do want what is best for you and that is to be Quit!
Who knows? You know. I can tell that from this last post.
Just today, you've changed from "I won't quit cold-turkey." to "Maybe I will change my mind.". That is the addict talking - trying to escape the addiction. Deep down, you know you want (and need) to just quit right now. Make that decision, and it will be a moment of true badassery. Throwing down those patches will be a huge boost to your pride, and that one thing alone will help you stay quit. When you get done "mentally processing" this and decide to QUIT and post a "Day 1", send me a PM so I can celebrate with you.
Me too.
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
Yep, it may seem like we are being overly harsh at times, but we really do want what is best for you and that is to be Quit!
Who knows? You know. I can tell that from this last post.
Just today, you've changed from "I won't quit cold-turkey." to "Maybe I will change my mind.". That is the addict talking - trying to escape the addiction. Deep down, you know you want (and need) to just quit right now. Make that decision, and it will be a moment of true badassery. Throwing down those patches will be a huge boost to your pride, and that one thing alone will help you stay quit. When you get done "mentally processing" this and decide to QUIT and post a "Day 1", send me a PM so I can celebrate with you.
Me too.
Me three, me four, me five and on and on and on...Thats what you have to get by now...You got people here that dont know you at all but we know exactly what you are going through....We are willing to walk through the fire with you...You just have to take that first step...Just take it..be a bad ass mother fucking quitter!
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Man, I appreciate all the responses to my last post. Lots of good and valid arguments against the patch.
teaka, the cold water analogy is very good. I hadn't thought of that.
southtexasman, we are eerily similar. All the way down to the preferred can of poison!
Let me take some time to mentally process all this. Maybe I will change my mind. Who knows...
Red, at some point...now or later...you will be faced with the CHOICE to quit or not.
When you are ready to choose Quit and Freedom over poison and death...we'll be right here.
If you need anything...let me know.
Yep, it may seem like we are being overly harsh at times, but we really do want what is best for you and that is to be Quit!
Who knows? You know. I can tell that from this last post.
Just today, you've changed from "I won't quit cold-turkey." to "Maybe I will change my mind.". That is the addict talking - trying to escape the addiction. Deep down, you know you want (and need) to just quit right now. Make that decision, and it will be a moment of true badassery. Throwing down those patches will be a huge boost to your pride, and that one thing alone will help you stay quit. When you get done "mentally processing" this and decide to QUIT and post a "Day 1", send me a PM so I can celebrate with you.
Me too.
Me three, me four, me five and on and on and on...Thats what you have to get by now...You got people here that dont know you at all but we know exactly what you are going through....We are willing to walk through the fire with you...You just have to take that first step...Just take it..be a bad ass mother fucking quitter!
Add me to the list, too, please.
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Maybe....
Maybe is for sissies. You were man enough to put nicotine in your body...be man enough to take it out.
C'mon man, you know you want to do this. Take the leap, we will catch you.
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This is why this place works People.
Priceless.
Simply priceless.
Someone asked for that thread about NRT's. Don't know if this is the right one but it has some good intel in there...
index.php?showtopic=2072 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2072)
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Guess he wasn't ready... _
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
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Go to chat red, they'll help you out
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
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Yeah buddy! It was going to suck at some point, might as well get it over quick.
Stick by the site, read everything you can and most importantly, post roll call.
Shout if you need anything...people will be tripping over each other to help.
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Oh...and something that makes you feel that awful by not having it, is no good for you.
You got this.
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
You might have been wondering up to this point, why this site is so tolerant of abusive speech. No mystery now, I'm sure.
Direct that rage against your addiction.
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
You might have been wondering up to this point, why this site is so tolerant of abusive speech. No mystery now, I'm sure.
Direct that rage against your addiction.
Welcome Red. Best decision you EVER made!
I fuckin LOVE this place.
Red, I got your back. Let me know if you need help.
And just so you know...you'd be going through this SAME thing if you finished the NRT. Withdrawal is withdrawal...
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
You might have been wondering up to this point, why this site is so tolerant of abusive speech. No mystery now, I'm sure.
Direct that rage against your addiction.
Welcome Red. Best decision you EVER made!
I fuckin LOVE this place.
Red, I got your back. Let me know if you need help.
And just so you know...you'd be going through this SAME thing if you finished the NRT. Withdrawal is withdrawal...
Out-freakin-standing!
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Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
You might have been wondering up to this point, why this site is so tolerant of abusive speech. No mystery now, I'm sure.
Direct that rage against your addiction.
Welcome Red. Best decision you EVER made!
I fuckin LOVE this place.
Red, I got your back. Let me know if you need help.
And just so you know...you'd be going through this SAME thing if you finished the NRT. Withdrawal is withdrawal...
Out-freakin-standing!
Excellent! Red, I'm proud to see you made it. Didn't get that celebratory PM, but who cares. As long as you're quit and moving on with your life, we're all happy here. Just remember, it was gonna suck either way and at least now you've got lots of guys (and a few gals) willing to help. PM any of us for assistance or digits.
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So, where's redsealhell? Did he change his name and start posting?
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So, where's redsealhell? Did he change his name and start posting?
Only five posts and MIA for 2 days this early = FAIL. I hope I'm wrong. Come on, redsealhell, prove me wrong.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
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Remember this? I wasn't fuckin' around...
Alright, dammit, I tried it yall's way.
I kept the patch in my pocket all day, but I never put it on.
I haven't had any nicotine today, and I am getting progressively more pissed off as the day goes on. This is awful.
Atta boy,
You wont regret it, welcome to the suck
Loving it red. You won't regret this. You will be pissed about it, annoyed and ready to kill someone for a few days but we will all help to get u through this. Today is almost done and start again tomorrow. You can do this. You will do this.
You might have been wondering up to this point, why this site is so tolerant of abusive speech. No mystery now, I'm sure.
Direct that rage against your addiction.
Welcome Red. Best decision you EVER made!
I fuckin LOVE this place.
Red, I got your back. Let me know if you need help.
And just so you know...you'd be going through this SAME thing if you finished the NRT. Withdrawal is withdrawal...
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
"I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can".
You can 86 the "try" part henceforth. You are a real fucking quitter now. Get it in your head. If you are not a quitter, come back when it is time for you to quit. We can help you then. Do we need to chat about getting this shit done? If so PM me.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
And IF I must go to a convenience store I WILL ONLY buy pay at the pump gas and not go inside for any reason!!!
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Red - congrats on the quit. Now - quit today. Don't quit for tomorrow - or next week - or this year --- just quit for today!
Take it 1 day at a time. You make it through today and then worry about making it 1 more day.
As an addict - I know what you are dealing with. Harden the fuck up, man up and quit for today! So many times I think about putting that shit in my lip and then just remember --- 1 more day!
Don't fuck up, show up and post roll everyday --- we are addicts and we can come up with all kinds of excuses. Don't do it. I'll quit with you!
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Red - I am on day 6 of my quit. I am sitting at work, in front of my computer. Like you, I am in a deep fog, because most of my triggers are found at work. I'm an attorney. Addicted brain says, you can't analyze legal issues without a dip. You can't draft a brief or deposition outline without a dip. You can't prepare for a court hearing without a dip. No conference call with the client without a fatty in there. I say all lies. Then I have visions of Wolf Green dancing in my head. She's running around telling me how wonderful she is and how she can make me happy. How's she's real satisfying. How she still wants to be my friend. All I have to do is go to the corner convenience store and for $2.99, she's all mine. More lies. She is the fat, ugly chick with camel toes, a mustache and yellow teeth at the back of the bar at closing time. Here's my point. You caved, now you are back. Draw ever moment of every day on what made you come back. Focus on that. It stands for something real. You can do this thing. PM me if you get in a pickle. JTRicher
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I forgot to put my sympathy panties on this morning so I will not offer you a big warm hug. Wanna quit, then quit. Wanna think about it...... well go die somewhere else.
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I forgot to put my sympathy panties on this morning so I will not offer you a big warm hug. Wanna quit, then quit. Wanna think about it...... well go die somewhere else.
Same here. The proof is in the quit. Go over to your previous introduction and look at the last post there. It was mine, and I saw this shit coming. My statement there still stands: Prove Me Wrong.
I hope you're serious this time.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
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FAIL IS IN YOUR FUTURE DUDE
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
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Welcome back redseal. Glad you got up after falling down and good to see you joining up with Sep '11.
You wanna know what is awesome, telling that part of your heart, mind and soul begging you for a dip--just a quick pinch--to go fuck itself. You're a quitter and you own the quit. Don't give the nic bitch anymore excuses
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I quit the same day you originally did. You know what? Day 17 is fucking awesome compared to day two. You coulda been here, right now, but you took the easy way. Not so easy now, huh?
Remember that the next time the nic bitch comes calling.
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I quit the same day you originally did. You know what? Day 17 is fucking awesome compared to day two. You coulda been here, right now, but you took the easy way. Not so easy now, huh?
Remember that the next time the nic bitch comes calling.
You are exactly right, Dchogs.
Pisses me off when I think about it.
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Jackass.
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I quit the same day you originally did. You know what? Day 17 is fucking awesome compared to day two. You coulda been here, right now, but you took the easy way. Not so easy now, huh?
Remember that the next time the nic bitch comes calling.
You are exactly right, Dchogs.
Pisses me off when I think about it.
Good. Use that anger to fuel your quit. I'll be following your quit.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Day 2 meet Day 443.
Its no schtick moron.
I am free. You're still a slave.
How about you step it up a notch? This being a pussy shit is wearing VERY thin.
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If you're going to use "I could have been on day 17" as a motivating regret, why not say, "I could have been on day 40"? "Day 365"? "Day 1,108"? "I could have never started chewing in the first place"?
You have never Quit until two days ago. Previous attempts were just that - Attempts. Tries. Breaks. Vacations. Lies.
If this isn't QUIT - get the fuck out.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Day 2 meet Day 443.
Its no schtick moron.
I am free. You're still a slave.
How about you step it up a notch? This being a pussy shit is wearing VERY thin.
Instead of being proud that you have quit for 443, maybe you should be ashamed that you ever started in the first place!
Like I said before, I can pass on the faux military schtick. I did my time long ago.
Being an Internet tough guy is not impressive. It is kind of dumb, actually.
I am in the midst of a rage. Been here all day. You are welcome to ignore me until this is over. If you choose to engage, just know that I will probably act like an asshole.
Take your pick. I don't care. javascript:emoticon("'Finger'")
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Day 2 meet Day 443.
Its no schtick moron.
I am free. You're still a slave.
How about you step it up a notch? This being a pussy shit is wearing VERY thin.
Instead of being proud that you have quit for 443, maybe you should be ashamed that you ever started in the first place!
Like I said before, I can pass on the faux military schtick. I did my time long ago.
Being an Internet tough guy is not impressive. It is kind of dumb, actually.
I am in the midst of a rage. Been here all day. You are welcome to ignore me until this is over. If you choose to engage, just know that I will probably act like an asshole.
Take your pick. I don't care. javascript:emoticon("'Finger'")
Don't even know where to begin here.
My regrets n my life are few and far between. I am not telling you how to FEEL. I am offering the road to freedom. Take it or leave it.
You've been here all day? And yet you didn't post until an hour ago?
I was here all day. I was here all day 17 days ago when you weren't man enough to give the nic bitch the finger.
Internet tough guy...you're funny. I'll let that go cuz you're just too ignorant to see support staring you in the face.
Like smokey says...if you're not QUIT then get the fuck out.
Oh...and i'll be here all day tomorrow too...
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Listen up Sweetheart. NOLAQ is trying to help you fool. If you are in a rage then feel free to call me, him, or anyone else here all the names you want. In fact, I dare you to try to make us cry! The fact is that you caved. We have all failed at quitting at one point or another thats why we are addicts. But as addicts we are not gonna blow sunshine up your ass and tell you its OK. We do not accept Failure here...Only SUCCESS! I believe that what NOLAQ is trying to say is that we will bend over backwards to help you quit but you have to actually do the quitting. If you're not up to it then MOVE ON! We will spend the energy on someone who is serious.
I hope to see you post early and daily!
MOA
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I spy a unique and special butterfly! A beautiful snowflake!
Hey, snowflake, don't take a seat in the life raft if you are not serious about saving your life. Post roll in the AM and quit or save the seat for someone else.
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Instead of being proud that you have quit for 443, maybe you should be ashamed that you ever started in the first place!Â
You have absolutely NO room to talk. What should YOU be proud of? Caving? Maybe you should also be ashamed that you ever started in the first place. This is a totally hypocritical thing to say.
Like I said before, I can pass on the faux military schtick. I did my time long ago.Â
Not faux.. You did your time? Didn't learn much did you?
Being an Internet tough guy is not impressive. It is kind of dumb, actually.
Not as dumb as caving, then coming in here like you are some special case whom we should all feel sorry for.. Time to grow up and be a man!
I am in the midst of a rage. Been here all day. You are welcome to ignore me until this is over.
Like none of us here have ever experienced this before. No, we are not going to ignore you. That's what you want, a free ride, isn't it? You want us to tell you how sorry we are that the addiction was tougher than you were.. dry your tears and tell you to try again... Sorry.. that's the other site.
If you choose to engage, just know that I will probably act like an asshole.
Take your pick. I don't care.
Well, good for you.. Again, some special case.. No one has ever had it as tough as you.
You're STILL making excuses and still trying to shft the responsibility.. Time to take the diapers off little boy.
No?
Then shut up and prove us wrong.
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www.quitsmokeless.org (http://www.quitsmokeless.org)
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Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Schtick or not, the man knows his quit. You knew very well that if you failed and came back the welcome you received would not be kind. Our collective quit is based on pain, sweat and tears. You have already proven that you do not have what it takes. Why should we open our arms and welcome you back without making damn sure you are serious this time?
Like our style or not we know what works. Call us internet bad guys if you want, but I have known some very bad dudes in my life that could not kill nicotine. My dad was one of them. One of the hardest mother fuckers you would ever meet. Was in the Pacific during WWII at age 15. He lied about is age so he could go serve his country. This bad ass mother fucker was reduced to a pile of bones at age 52 due to tobacco.
Do I take my quit seriously, your fucking a right I do. Do I get pissed when someone makes a half assed attempt to quit? Yep, sure as hell do.
And just for the record and am not an internet bad guy. I would just as soon rip your head off and shit down you neck as look at you in real life.
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
WOW! I hope you put that much effort into your quit!
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
It may look like an a-hole convention but we're all quitting together daily so it ain't all that bad.
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
WOW! I hope you put that much effort into your quit!
I'll quit with you any day fucker! Rage at my ass!
Seriously, I'm glad you FINALLY manned up and posted roll. Now we can move on with kicking the the nic bitch in the face! What the fuck took you so long?!?
Everyone here wants to see you quit this shit, make no mistake about it..but you better be serious about. Own it. Write down how shitty the past few days have been. Remember that.
One day at a time, you can do it, we can help you.
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
Tough guy talk...I like it.
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
"Almost guaranteed?" Kinda like "Almost Quit", or "Almost Pregnant". From what I see, the only shit talk that has gone on has been by you, in your original Intro post where you said you wanted to quit, but didn't.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
Based on your prior posts, I don't actually think this is fine with you. I think this really pissed you off. In fact, I think you would prefer we just pat you on the back and tell you it will all be all right. Sorry, it won't. Quit or die. I got nothing else.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
In the past two years, I've learned a little bit about what I can 'handle'. You still have to walk that road. The question is, "Are YOU ready?" I support those who want and need it. If you don't either WANT support, or NEED support, then I suggest you go 'try' to 'quit' somewhere else.
I see you posted roll two days in a row. This is a great first step you made. Now the hard part: Keep your Word. The even harder part? Repeat.
I'll tell you two more things:
1. You CAN do this.
2. It gets Better.
I'll be here all day, and tomorrow as well.
If you really want support, I'm just a PM away.
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Here's the deal, boys and girls...
If you talk shit to me, it is almost guaranteed that I am gonna talk shit back to you.
If you wanna try to be a hardass in the name of support, that is fine with me. But you damn well better expect that I am gonna run my mouth right back at you.
If you can't handle that, then go "support" someone else.
Whatever gave you the idea we couldn't handle it?
WE can handle it..
You obviously cannot..
As a matter of fact, I'll do everthing I can to totally piss you off every day.. You can call me every name in the book.. and you can run your mouth all you want, darlin'..
If that's what it takes for you to stop shoving that worm dirt in your trap, then, OK..
Just post roll and be quit.
Deal?
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psssst.......
This is a house built on quit.....
It is OUR fucking house.....those of us that are quit and made it thru whatever trial and tribulation that tripped you up....
You are welcome in this house....but it is built on accountability. You don't want accountability....this would not be the house for you.....
let's leave the cap't "i'll cave and do whatever the hell i want attitude" at the fucking door sport.....
Respect what those of us that have stayed quit have accomplished......
and prove yourself worthy of joining our ranks.
doosh _
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Red
Be a loud mouth all you want ....... if your quit. Right now your just another caver with an attitude problem. You have work to do if you want to regain your credibility here. Caving IS NOT ACCEPTABLE HERE. If you can't commit you need to go elsewhere. There are support sites that take a more permissive posistion on relapse. KTC is not one of them. PM me if you want the link .
However, it is clear that you are a raging jackass, so you will probably fit in better with us than anywhere else. We get it, just stay quit one day at a time.
sm
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Red,
If you would spend as much time here reading as you currently are talking shit you would see that rage is a normal part of healing and we do in fact encourage it. We do EXPECT you to post roll before you start said shit however as that is the cornerstone of this site. Do not talk shit about the way things are done here as this method and this site have helped keep thousands of addicts clean when nothing else has. Me being one of them...
We CANNOT and WILL NOT allow a cave to go unchallenged, no matter how good you think your excuse was.
The results of this site speak for themselves. If you follow the program they will work for you too. Show us what you got...
Greg
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So, let me see if I understand this:
Those of us that toughed through the anger, fear, anxiety, and all the other lovely withdrawal symptoms and actually kept quit do not have the right to be pissed at you? Think again.
You apparently think you are some kind of badass, yet you could not even make it a week without your security blanket Linus. Wanna be a badass, quit!
You wanna go insult for insult that is fine, but remember this: I have kept my word to my brothers and sisters here at KTC for 141 days and that does give me the right to fuck with you when you weaken my quit. As I tried to explain earlier, this works because we make it work. We work our asses off to make sure that everyone here stays quit. When someone like you just says "Oh sorry guys I fucked up, please welcome me back with open arms", we get a little pissed.
As others have said, if you do not like the way we do things then please find a kinder gentler way to quit.
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www.quitsmokeless.org (http://www.quitsmokeless.org)
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
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RedSealHell is Quit, with the program and posting in September..
He gets it now, so let's give him all the support we can!
Romandog
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RedSealHell is Quit, with the program and posting in September..
He gets it now, so let's give him all the support we can!
Romandog
Sounds good.
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I am in... Welcome to the party.
If you need anything sing out...
Greg
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you have my full support. Let me know how I can help. Welcome to our QSX endurance thread as well.
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Nice work RSH. Welcome to the quit. Lots of folks here to help so take it one day at a time.
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Hey, redseal, you were saying something about the pot calling the kettle black.
Boy, have you got a lot to learn.
Post roll and prove I'm wrong, damn it!
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Hey, redseal, you were saying something about the pot calling the kettle black.
Boy, have you got a lot to learn.
Post roll and prove I'm wrong, damn it!
'Popcorn'
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Hey, redseal, you were saying something about the pot calling the kettle black.
Boy, have you got a lot to learn.
Post roll and prove I'm wrong, damn it!
'Popcorn'
"pot meet kettle"?
Hey fuckstick caver, I noticed you didn't post again yesterday despite repeated efforts by your brothers to contact you directly and on the board and despite lurking after said attempts to contact you.
First and foremost, get your head out of your ass and NEVER compare yourself to a bad ass mother fucking quitter and supporter like NOLAQ.
You're a caver plain and simple and on this board, there is nothing worse, lower, untrustworthy or that garners less respect than a caver. NOLAQ is the polar opposite of a low life fucking caver.
Once you put up and prove that you have a pair, then you can come in here and try to show how well endowed you are compared to someone like NOLAQ but for now, you're just a lower-than-whale-shit caver. Not a pot, not a kettle....hell, you're not even in the fucking kitchen.
3 Days quit is fucking awesome........3 days followed up by a 2 week nicotine dipfesting orgy is (wagon? what the fuck is a wagon?) a Disney vacation compared to what we do around this place. Any low life can do 3 days with a 2 week wallow in the can on the horizon and the initial effort certainly counts for nothing and deserves no recognition if it's just followed by a cave.
We don't do trial balloons and we don't tolerate attention whores around here. We quit and we help others quit....That's what we do and if you could get your head out of your ass, you would see that is exactly what NOLAQ is trying to do for you.
You know what wears thin? Fucking cavers and attention whores coming back in here wasting our time over and over and over again.....that's what wears thin.
You didn't post yesterday and we're still looking for you today so.......post up or shut up.
edit: PS: NOLAQ is a Marine so it's "Drill Instructor"!
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I posted here a couple of weeks ago when I started my first quit.
I made it three days before I fell off the wagon.
I got lazy after I caved, and I decided to make excuses for my dipping instead of starting my quit again immediately.
Now that the long weekend is over, I ran out of excuses for not quitting, so here I am again - two weeks later.
Today is Day 2 of my quit. I am sitting at work in a dizzy fog. This is fucking miserable. I can't help but to think that I would be on day 17 instead of day 2 if I hadn't been a puss. I will try to remember that every time I pass a C-store and get tempted to stop in for a can.
I was JUST looking for your ass! Go post roll in September.
Listen up fuck stick! You don't get to do this shit.
You didn't post roll.
You are not serious about this.
You are going to fail again.
You are an attention whore.
You are wasting all of our time.
Which statement are you going to argue with me about?
Get in the fucking game, or move along little doggy.
You are an attention whore.
Pot, meet kettle!
Seriously, man, bring it down a notch. I appreciate the concern, but the drill sergeant schtick wears a little thin after a while.
Hey, redseal, you were saying something about the pot calling the kettle black.
Boy, have you got a lot to learn.
Post roll and prove I'm wrong, damn it!
'Popcorn'
"pot meet kettle"?
Hey fuckstick caver, I noticed you didn't post again yesterday despite repeated efforts by your brothers to contact you directly and on the board and despite lurking after said attempts to contact you.
First and foremost, get your head out of your ass and NEVER compare yourself to a bad ass mother fucking quitter and supporter like NOLAQ.
You're a caver plain and simple and on this board, there is nothing worse, lower, untrustworthy or that garners less respect than a caver. NOLAQ is the polar opposite of a low life fucking caver.
Once you put up and prove that you have a pair, then you can come in here and try to show how well endowed you are compared to someone like NOLAQ but for now, you're just a lower-than-whale-shit caver. Not a pot, not a kettle....hell, you're not even in the fucking kitchen.
3 Days quit is fucking awesome........3 days followed up by a 2 week nicotine dipfesting orgy is (wagon? what the fuck is a wagon?) a Disney vacation compared to what we do around this place. Any low life can do 3 days with a 2 week wallow in the can on the horizon and the initial effort certainly counts for nothing and deserves no recognition if it's just followed by a cave.
We don't do trial balloons and we don't tolerate attention whores around here. We quit and we help others quit....That's what we do and if you could get your head out of your ass, you would see that is exactly what NOLAQ is trying to do for you.
You know what wears thin? Fucking cavers and attention whores coming back in here wasting our time over and over and over again.....that's what wears thin.
You didn't post yesterday and we're still looking for you today so.......post up or shut up.
edit: PS: NOLAQ is a Marine so it's "Drill Instructor"!
'Popcorn'
Are you another pretender RSH?