KillTheCan.org Accountability Forum
Community => Introductions => Topic started by: Lochi21 on February 18, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
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Congratulations for making the best decision of you life!
Because I am reading your post, you have all the computer qualifications needed to be successful on this site.
The first thing you have to do is go post roll in the May Quit Group (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=2997).
Don't worry if you mess it up, you will get the hang of it quickly.
And don't take any shit talking personally, we're all in the same boat and some of us are really grumpy without nicotine. It will pass, so hang in there with us.
How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, pat yourself on the back, and have a beer cause you will not be dipping today.
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Welcome to the site. You have come to the right place to quit.
Hang in there! It will be a tough few days ahead just be ready. Get through about 3-4 days and the nicotine is out of your system then it is just a mind game.
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Welcome and congrats on your decision.
Sounds like you know what you are up against, the difference is, you have help this time. Not only will you hold yourself accountable, everyone else here will also.
You can never have just one, it's a lie.
Head over to May 10, post up, introduce yourself and get involved. This is your quit, own it.
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Tom, welcome to the rest of your life, and the best decision you could make. You will be in the same quit group as I am in, and I'll help you along the way.
Check your email and you'll have my contact information. Call me and I'll walk you though the roll posting process. (In real life, I'm a software consultant so I'm pretty good at computer user support).
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Tom, welcome to the rest of your life, and the best decision you could make. You will be in the same quit group as I am in, and I'll help you along the way.
Check your email and you'll have my contact information. Call me and I'll walk you though the roll posting process. (In real life, I'm a software consultant so I'm pretty good at computer user support).
Thanks for your help Mark. I'm a little less confused now.
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Tom,
Welcome brother to the best decision you will make. We are all addicts here to nicotine and we have all learned the hard way like you that we can never have another dip.
Go to the index.php?showforum=13 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13) where you can learn all you can about the site.
Feel free to PM my and I will give you my cell phone number for support, get other numbers from your quit group also.
Post roll everyday and be accountable to you and us.
You will do this, success is our only option...for living.
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Tom, welcome to the rest of your life, and the best decision you could make. You will be in the same quit group as I am in, and I'll help you along the way.
Check your email and you'll have my contact information. Call me and I'll walk you though the roll posting process. (In real life, I'm a software consultant so I'm pretty good at computer user support).
Thanks for your help Mark. I'm a little less confused now.
Anytime brother, and sorry about calling you Tom. It's Lochi from now on B)
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I am 1 day clean and I came across something on here from someone who said I needed to establish a quit plan. Can someone please help me with where to find information about a quit plan?
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I am 1 day clean and I came across something on here from someone who said I needed to establish a quit plan. Can someone please help me with where to find information about a quit plan?
doesn't really mean anything formal per se.
it means you should have a plan on how you plan to stay quit.
step 1, join KTC. check
step 2, get involved on KTC, write an Introduction, go into chat, post roll EVERY DAY.
step 3, throw everything out. cups, dip, etc. clean out your car, office, garage, etc. check?
step 4, by some fake stuff if you think you need it. some swear by it, others don't like me.
step 5, plan to drink lots of water
step 6, plan on some oral substitution. Seeds? Gum? Pussy? Your choice, if you need it.
Etc
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I am 1 day clean and I came across something on here from someone who said I needed to establish a quit plan. Can someone please help me with where to find information about a quit plan?
A post from one of the admins....
SoÂ…there are 3 of you on Day 2. ThatÂ’s great, you have brothers on the same day. You know that there are at least two mother motherfuckers in this world dealing with the exact same bullshit that you are. LOOT has a little piece of advice for you 3Â…if you plan on succeeding, and by that LOOT means QUIT, for goodÂ….then you fuckers better get to know each other. Fast like. Cause seeÂ…your chances of success without the other 2 are whole helluva lot slimmer. Take 2 minutes to exchange phone numbers in PMÂ’s right now. Make a deal with each other that you will not cave without at least calling the other guys first. Give them a chance to talk you out of something stupid.
You see that is called a plan. A cave plan. If you don’t have one, LOOT will bet that at least one of you won’t see 50 days. That may seem cynical of LOOT but it’s the cold hard truth gentleman. You will think of a million reasons why “just one” is OK before this is over with. Put your machismo to the side for a minute and reach out for some help (in the form of a phone #). LOOT knows, LOOT knows….all of you fuckers reading this are shaking your head wondering “who the fuck LOOT thinks he is barging in here telling me what to do”. LOOT is just a guy…a guy who very early on heeded the simple advice of making a plan that included other motherfuckers just like LOOT. In the same fucking situation LOOT was in…and ya know what? Total fucking strangers have become LOOT’s best friends and saved LOOT from LOOT. LOOT could not have walked this road without these twisted ass people.
So, this post does 2 things.
1) Reaffirms LOOTÂ’s quit by letting his entourage know that LOOT appreciates all you bitches listening to LOOT whine over the months.
2) Let you guys just starting know that it can be doneÂ….with a little help from some friends.
LOOT dares you all 3 to pick up the gauntlet LOOT threw down and exchange those digits.
You may think this is hokey shit and quite honestly, LOOT did too at one timeÂ…but if you read this post a couple times and let it sink in, youÂ’ll see past your own wallsÂ…and youÂ’ll send those PMÂ’s.
Make a plan. NowÂ…your life may depend on it.
What are you going to do when the craves hit you really hard?
What are you going to do when you feel like saying fuck it, and want to go buy a can of dip?
Who are you going to fall back on, when you really need some additional support?
Post roll every single day, "meet" people, exchange numbers, pm's, etc. When you feel any weakness and are losing control - call them, pm them, post on the board and ask for immediate help. People will respond.
That's a plan......Failing to plan, is planning to fail. Not my words. I believe they were said by Winston Churchill
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Your plan should be to stay quit. One day at a time . One hour or one minute. Thats the plan . Try to survive the pain you will face and be strong. I am on day 20. Its not easy. But my plan is stay quit. Not try to .
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chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 100+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
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chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 100+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
Chewie I like yours better than mine!
LOL.
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I quit chewing tobacco on the way into work this morning. Last dip spit out at 6:30am - Chicago-time. Actually, I have been seriously considering it for a couple of days. The good news is, before I left the house this morning, I made sure I did a sweep of all my stash locations to grab tins and spin cups. Everything has been thrown away and I just cut up my Sam's Club card at work (where I bought my 5-packs of Grizzly for $10).
I am only 2.5 hours into this so I'm doing OK right now -though starting to have some cravings. I have chewed for 22 yrs and a tin a day habit for the past 18. I quit once, a couple of years ago, for about 9 months and like an idiot, I rationalized I could limit it to one chew a day (at night before bed). Within a week, I was back to chewing full-time. That quit really depressed me because I thought I had kicked it. I realize now, after reading this website, I was missing an important component. Daily accountability. I did you the 1-800 Tobacco Quit Line but I was leaving it up to them to call me. I need to be the one to hold myself accountable.
Anyway, I am not very computer literate and I'm not really good at message boards like this. I know I am going to need help so I am going to put my email address down in hopes someone can help me figure this all out? I have no idea how to do roll call and I KNOW this is an important process. I'm crying right now because I feel lost! Help.
c_tom_21@yahoo.com (http://mailto:c_tom_21@yahoo.com)
Tom, welcome to the rest of your life, and the best decision you could make. You will be in the same quit group as I am in, and I'll help you along the way.
Check your email and you'll have my contact information. Call me and I'll walk you though the roll posting process. (In real life, I'm a software consultant so I'm pretty good at computer user support).
Thanks for your help Mark. I'm a little less confused now.
Damn! Look how fucking cool your avatar is! You definitely have made the right decision. Not the easy one, but the right one.
Use the Old Jedi Mind trick on yourself! Keep this quit going. You are now my brother in the quit. Do not fail me. Do not fail yourself. Do not fail your brothers.
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OK everyone - thanks for the help.
I have 3 numbers programmed into my cell phone already. I have removed EVERYTHING chew related from my house and cars. I stopped at the grocery store on the way home and bought tons of oral substitutes (gum, seeds, candy, etc.). I am new to message boards but plan to be a pro by the end of the weekend.
I'm 13 hours nicotene free. My stomach feels like shit and my gas is terrrible. Headaches haven't started but I know I will have them tomorrow on day 2.
I am going to bed at 8pm - WITH MY WIFE. First time in over 3 yrs I will be sleeping with her. I always snuggled up to NICO BITCH on the couch in the basement. TV on like some fucking vagrant in my own house.
NO FUCKING WAY I AM CHEWING TODAY!
See you at roll call in the morning.
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chewie's 3 step cave plan
Feel free to copy and modify to fit your needs.
step 1: Take picture of son out of wallet. Look my son in the face and tell him that I love dip more than I love him.
step 2: Take out KillTheCan.org business card, read the words and REALIZE that I'm letting each and every one of YOU down.
step 3: Call each of the 100+ KillTheCan.org phone numbers that I've got in my phone and get PERMISSION from each and every person to have a dip.
P.S.: I've never had to go past step 1
Chewie I like yours better than mine!
LOL.
This is classic, this should be posted everywhere. One of the best I have seen on this site.
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
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This is an interesting observation I have never considered before. There are hugh differences I my mind between the two.
If my son came in spitting sunflower seeds into a cup, I may think it is a little un-cultured and suggest to him he buy jars of already shelled seeds. If either one came in spitting tobacco juice, I would lose control quickly.
Another big difference is this. If your son develops a seed habit, they can stop it fairly easily, won't likely cause cancer (not that I know of today), and will cost him much less money during the habit.
That said, I understand the concern you have and say to you, if you don't feel comfortable doing anything around your son, don't do it period (except for the obvious with wifey). Personally, I used hard pretzels and canned nuts (peanuts, pastacios, peacans, cashews) so as to avoid too much sugar or aspartame from sugarless. Now, nearly 4 weeks into my quit, I'm starting to just not want pretzels, et. al. nearly as much.
Most important thing is to do whatever it takes today to not be a nic user. Other issues we can work on later when we're farther along in our quits.
Good job on surviving your first weekend of your quit. 'party2'
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
You know at some point, wheather you like it or not, you'd do well to tell you boy about the dangers of chewing tobacco, by showing him your struggles with it, could make the difference on wheather he follows your advice and stays away from it or falls into being a ninja dipper like you used to be.....I say enjoy thie time with you boy...
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
You know at some point, wheather you like it or not, you'd do well to tell you boy about the dangers of chewing tobacco, by showing him your struggles with it, could make the difference on wheather he follows your advice and stays away from it or falls into being a ninja dipper like you used to be.....I say enjoy thie time with you boy...
That is something to consider Dr. Banner. Although at 6 yrs old, I'm not sure if it would have the impact I would want it too. But it's a conversation I might want to consider someday. Thanks for the advice.
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
You know at some point, wheather you like it or not, you'd do well to tell you boy about the dangers of chewing tobacco, by showing him your struggles with it, could make the difference on wheather he follows your advice and stays away from it or falls into being a ninja dipper like you used to be.....I say enjoy thie time with you boy...
That is something to consider Dr. Banner. Although at 6 yrs old, I'm not sure if it would have the impact I would want it too. But it's a conversation I might want to consider someday. Thanks for the advice.
my boy is eight and he knows.......has known for quite awhile,,at five, he wanted his mom to quit smoking and still does.....at five he knew that i put stuff in my lip, and wanted to smell it,,,, your damn skippy they need to know, but see we didn't hide it from him, but it made him upset that we did it...now when I'm haveing a bad day, I tell him if I ever catch him chewing " " he's heard it enough he can fill in the blank....you understand?
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
You know at some point, wheather you like it or not, you'd do well to tell you boy about the dangers of chewing tobacco, by showing him your struggles with it, could make the difference on wheather he follows your advice and stays away from it or falls into being a ninja dipper like you used to be.....I say enjoy thie time with you boy...
That is something to consider Dr. Banner. Although at 6 yrs old, I'm not sure if it would have the impact I would want it too. But it's a conversation I might want to consider someday. Thanks for the advice.
my boy is eight and he knows.......has known for quite awhile,,at five, he wanted his mom to quit smoking and still does.....at five he knew that i put stuff in my lip, and wanted to smell it,,,, your damn skippy they need to know, but see we didn't hide it from him, but it made him upset that we did it...now when I'm haveing a bad day, I tell him if I ever catch him chewing " " he's heard it enough he can fill in the blank....you understand?
Yeah, I agree with Theo. The only thing dip and seeds have in common is the spitting. There are huge differences between the two! I think you are overreacting a little. I do not see how kids can make an association between seeds and dip. Does someone go "Hmmm, these seeds just aren't doing it for me. I'm not getting that spitting satisfaction. Maybe I should try dip? That involves spitting. They're almost the same, right?" Can't see it happening. How many of us started dipping due to seed influence?
So does this mean you are going to be a ninja watermelon eater as well?
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This weekend I had to ask myself the question is there really a difference between chewing tobacco and eating sunflower seeds? The conclusion I came to...for me, there isn't.
Let me give you a little background. I am at Day 5 of my quit. One of my major personal reasons for quitting is I hated having 2 different lives - father/husband and 1 can/day ninja dipper. I have alway hid my chewing from my wife and son - sneaking off to the basement to "watch TV" but of course it was to chew. I certainly did not want my son to see me chewing because of the example it would set.
So, when I decided to quit last week, I figured I would not go with the HOOCH or mint because I wouldn't do this in front of my family and I wanted complete transparency. I decided instead to go with sunflower seeds, gum and hard candy.
It was while chewing the seeds in front of my son yesterday, I noticed that I was spitting the shells into a cup just like my chew spit. In fact, my son was sitting right there with me spitting shells into the same cup. Once it hit me what it was I was doing I panicked!! I told him to spit out the seeds immediately and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
After about 5 minutes in the basement, I realized eating seeds is no different from chewing tobacco. I would need to do both in secrecy and I was having none of it. So, I have decided that the only oral substitute acceptable for me is gum and hard candy because I can do these guilt free in front of my family.
I know this isn't a huge deal. Each one of us has our own individual reason for quitting and our own individual quit plans. I just found it strange that I had to give up sunflower seeds as well. Has anyone else ever had this feeling???
Staying quit - one day at a time.
I sometimes still spit with gum in my mouth....crazy huh?
It's why I believe in doing NOTHING! I hear what you are saying.
A few pen caps here and there, but no seeds, fake stuff, etc for me.
I still ninja dip the fake stuff. To a kid there is no difference. If he sees you spit, he is going to spit.
I understand where you're comming from, but I gotta disagree. First...the title of the thread...YES, VIRGINIA, THERE'S A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEEDS AND DIP. Seeds don't contain nicotine, which is the substance to which you and I are addicted.
I'm about a year + half quit now, and don't use any crutches anymore, except sugar free gum while driving. I quit craving about six months ago.
BUT...I was a seed monster for the first six months or so. Learned to load up one cheek, and feed 'em over to the teeth, one at a time, and spit out the shell. My 10-year-old daughter learned to eat seeds at the same time, and we'd have shell-spitting contests sometimes. It was great fun, and I don't regret it one bit. We haven't shared a bag of seeds since last summer, but I expect that we will do so again some day, and I don't harbor any fears that it'll lead her to a life of nic addiction. None.
Seeds are not a gateway drug.
You know at some point, wheather you like it or not, you'd do well to tell you boy about the dangers of chewing tobacco, by showing him your struggles with it, could make the difference on wheather he follows your advice and stays away from it or falls into being a ninja dipper like you used to be.....I say enjoy thie time with you boy...
That is something to consider Dr. Banner. Although at 6 yrs old, I'm not sure if it would have the impact I would want it too. But it's a conversation I might want to consider someday. Thanks for the advice.
my boy is eight and he knows.......has known for quite awhile,,at five, he wanted his mom to quit smoking and still does.....at five he knew that i put stuff in my lip, and wanted to smell it,,,, your damn skippy they need to know, but see we didn't hide it from him, but it made him upset that we did it...now when I'm haveing a bad day, I tell him if I ever catch him chewing " " he's heard it enough he can fill in the blank....you understand?
Yeah, I agree with Theo. The only thing dip and seeds have in common is the spitting. There are huge differences between the two! I think you are overreacting a little. I do not see how kids can make an association between seeds and dip. Does someone go "Hmmm, these seeds just aren't doing it for me. I'm not getting that spitting satisfaction. Maybe I should try dip? That involves spitting. They're almost the same, right?" Can't see it happening. How many of us started dipping due to seed influence?
So does this mean you are going to be a ninja watermelon eater as well?
'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'
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...and I escaped to the basement so I could eat my seeds in private.
I know you didn't intend for this to be funny, but I laughed out loud.
You have the makings to be a bad-ass quitter, pal.
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As I approach the HOF (again) I have decided I do not want to post a HOF speech. What I want to do is make my introduction to everyone on KTC as Lochi21 v.2.0. If it was possible to change your name here, I would request it in a heartbeat. Simply put, Lochi21 is not the same person who was here before. Not by a long-shot!
I know there are many on KTC who shudder at my existence here. I can't say I blame you because failed attempts are not what KTC is about and so far that is the only thing I have proven I can do.
Thankfully, I have some quit brothers and sisters who have supported and challenged me this time. In doing so, I've tried my best to understand what makes me tick and what's necessary to make this my FINAL quit.
To that end, I believe I have been successful. It required creating a QUIT PLAN utilizing the philosophy "if you want to take the island then you need to burn the friggin' boats". Simply put, there can be no chance for retreat. Failure is simply not possible. Here is my RETREAD QUIT PLAN.
My Quit Plan (i.e. IÂ’m thinking seriously about caving so I Â…)
1. Stop whatever IÂ’m doing and take a moment to think about all the other quit brothers/sisters who are struggling to stay quit with me. Remember what it means to post roll and honor my word. Ask myself if those who have succeeded on KTC are that much stronger than me? Also think about all the people who have given me crap for coming back to KTC. Ask myself if I want them to feel superior to me again?
If that doesnÂ’t work:
2. Log on to KTC and read for a while. Go to the newest quit month and look at the brave men/women posting day 1, 3, 9, etc. and admire their courage. Read the Jenny Tom Kern story again. Go into the chat room and explain that I am thinking about caving. Give them some crap about being depressed or that IÂ’m a better man to my family with chew in my life.
If that doesnÂ’t work:
3. Call and talk to one of the many quit brothers I have programmed into my phone. I have to speak to at least one person. If nobody answers, leave a message. If nobody responds within a half hour. Proceed to step 4. Here are the numbers programmed in so far:
LEERON (Ron)
CASEYG (Casey)
AMGDENNEY (Michelle)
30YRADDICT (Dale)
KLARK (Kevin)
GATOR(Greg)
TARPON (Randy)
EVILMM (Garrett)
BIGBAMADAN(Daniel)
If that doesnÂ’t work:
4. Have my wife give me the stash of fake dip she has hidden away for emergencies. I have sworn off the fake dip because I hid that usage too and I need 100% transparency in my quit. But, I realize it has a place and itÂ’s at step #4 of my quit plan.
If that doesnÂ’t work:
5. Take out the signed copy of this quit plan and discuss with my wife why IÂ’m choosing chewing tobacco over my marriage and family.
If that doesnÂ’t work:
6. Both my wife and I need to re-sign the quit plan and I have to immediately proceed to step #7.
7. Toss in the towel and return to the misery of dipping again. But as a last resort, in the presence of my wife, I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family. They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.
P.S. My wife has agreed to this plan and has a signed copy in her possession. Because IÂ’m an addict and have failed multiple times at quitting, she has permission to leave me if I donÂ’t follow EVERY step including step #7.
P.P.S. Because IÂ’m an addict and have lied to my brothers/sisters on KTC before, I would be happy to have you confirm this quit plan by calling and talking to my wife.
Lochi21 v.2.0
Day 88
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Hm....wish I'd been around more regularly when you returned. Had no idea. I wasted a fair amount of time reaching out to you, in the quit-nicotine *and* quit-alcohol context. You left my PMs unanswered. That pisses me off, simply because it's rude.
On the other hand, I'm certainly in no place to judge what a man does. I haven't worn your shoes. I do know, though, that you're here again, and that means you have no excuse whatsoever to fade away. I don't give up on someone who returns to KTC after failing once. (Fail twice, though, and you've proven beyond a doubt that you cannot be trusted.) The idea being that someone who comes back learns what NOT to do.
Your quit plan is pretty awesome. A model plan, in fact. But to be honest with you, I'm a little worried about the repeated references to your wife. Not that she shouldn't be involved or that her support isn't critical. Rather, whenever I see something like that, I worry that the main pressure to quit came from a wife or girlfriend or some influence - animate or inanimate - OTHER THAN YOURSELF.
Because I'll tell you, brother: If it isn't for you, you're going to fail. Guaranteed. If you search yourself and find it ISN'T truly for yourself, MAKE it for yourself.
P.S. You sober? PM me if you like.
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Lochi let me edit step number 3 for you a little bit.
3. Call and talk to everyone of the many quit brothers and sisters I have programmed into my phone. I have to speak to at least everyone person to get permission from each of to cave. If nobody answers, leave a message. If nobody responds within a half hour, start over at the top of the list unitl I talk to every one of them. Proceed to step 4. Here are the numbers programmed in so far:
LEERON (Ron)
CASEYG (Casey)
AMGDENNEY (Michelle)
30YRADDICT (Dale)
KLARK (Kevin)
GATOR(Greg)
TARPON (Randy)
EVILMM (Garrett)
BIGBAMADAN(Daniel)
That is how I have my plan laid out. I have to contact everyone and specifically get permission from all to cave. I have 40 numbers, if 39 say yes and one says no, then I can not cave.
If the craves get too bad here's a trick an old timer taught me. Sit naked on desk. Open desk drawer, inserted testicles in drawer. Slam drawer closed on testicles.'shock' No more craves. Works everytime.
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Hm....wish I'd been around more regularly when you returned. Had no idea. I wasted a fair amount of time reaching out to you, in the quit-nicotine *and* quit-alcohol context. You left my PMs unanswered. That pisses me off, simply because it's rude.
On the other hand, I'm certainly in no place to judge what a man does. I haven't worn your shoes. I do know, though, that you're here again, and that means you have no excuse whatsoever to fade away. I don't give up on someone who returns to KTC after failing once. (Fail twice, though, and you've proven beyond a doubt that you cannot be trusted.) The idea being that someone who comes back learns what NOT to do.
Your quit plan is pretty awesome. A model plan, in fact. But to be honest with you, I'm a little worried about the repeated references to your wife. Not that she shouldn't be involved or that her support isn't critical. Rather, whenever I see something like that, I worry that the main pressure to quit came from a wife or girlfriend or some influence - animate or inanimate - OTHER THAN YOURSELF.
Because I'll tell you, brother: If it isn't for you, you're going to fail. Guaranteed. If you search yourself and find it ISN'T truly for yourself, MAKE it for yourself.
P.S. You sober? PM me if you like.
Sorry for being a douche and not returning your messages back then.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion with regards to my quit plan. It sounds like you have or would write yours differently. The point is to encourage others to write one that holds them accountable long-term. I understand your concern but mine does that for me.
My alcohol issues revolved around abuse (binge drinking) not addiction. I have stayed away from ALL hard liquor and allow myself a beer or two a week. I have not had any issues in over a year. Thanks for checking on me.
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
I could be wrong, but Lochi came up with his plan after I was really pushing the need for a plan....I hate to say it, but I think it might have been influenced by MY plan:
index.php?showtopic=3158 (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=3158)
Maybe it's just me, but I do see a difference between your statement Lochi and mine. But, you and I had spoke during your development of your plan and I think it looks pretty damn good...and you are getting some damn fine support from bubblehead, Dean and Mike, too.
You've got my number...yell if you need anything.
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
Ya, you have a quit plan that includes a step for ultimately failing. Just seems odd to me.
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Lochi let me edit step number 3 for you a little bit.
3. Call and talk to everyone of the many quit brothers and sisters I have programmed into my phone. I have to speak to at least everyone person to get permission from each of to cave. If nobody answers, leave a message. If nobody responds within a half hour, start over at the top of the list unitl I talk to every one of them. Proceed to step 4. Here are the numbers programmed in so far:
LEERON (Ron)
CASEYG (Casey)
AMGDENNEY (Michelle)
30YRADDICT (Dale)
KLARK (Kevin)
GATOR(Greg)
TARPON (Randy)
EVILMM (Garrett)
BIGBAMADAN(Daniel)
That is how I have my plan laid out. I have to contact everyone and specifically get permission from all to cave. I have 40 numbers, if 39 say yes and one says no, then I can not cave.
If the craves get too bad here's a trick an old timer taught me. Sit naked on desk. Open desk drawer, inserted testicles in drawer. Slam drawer closed on testicles.'shock' No more craves. Works everytime.
Thank you for your suggestion. I have seen other quit plans with the "call every number concept" you are suggesting but it really just doesn't seem feasible to me. I know someone on this list will answer my call within the 1/2 hour and I know they will set me straight.
In all honesty, with the last couple of steps of my plan "burning the boat" for me psychologically, I don't ever see myself getting past step 2. I mean seriously man, what crave is stronger than my love for my wife, son and family? Handing that quit plan to my wife and having her sign it with me was transformational. The tears shed between the two of us and the honesty it forced out of me will never be forgot. I did that for ME as much as I did it for us.
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
Ya, you have a quit plan that includes a step for ultimately failing. Just seems odd to me.
Obviously you're all entitled to your opinions. For me, that step is crucial because there is just no way on this earth you could physically get me to do that. For you it may leave an opening. For me it shuts the door.
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
I could be wrong, but Lochi came up with his plan after I was really pushing the need for a plan....I hate to say it, but I think it might have been influenced by MY plan:
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Maybe it's just me, but I do see a difference between your statement Lochi and mine. But, you and I had spoke during your development of your plan and I think it looks pretty damn good...and you are getting some damn fine support from bubblehead, Dean and Mike, too.
You've got my number...yell if you need anything.
I have definitely read and used CoachDoc's quit plan as a template for my own. Of all the quit plans I have read on here, it was the one that stuck out to me the most and forced me to do some thinking about my own quit plan and what I want it to look like.
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The fact that you even listed step 7 is a bad sign. The nic bitch and the addict in you will ultimately lead you to this step if it is there as an option.
To me dipping again is never an option no matter what. For you though you leave it as an option.....why?
Ya, you have a quit plan that includes a step for ultimately failing. Just seems odd to me.
Obviously you're all entitled to your opinions. For me, that step is crucial because there is just no way on this earth you could physically get me to do that. For you it may leave an opening. For me it shuts the door.
For what it's worth, I'm not reading step 7 so literally. I see the value in it.
I meant it when I said your plan was awesome. I just commented on the conspicuous role your wife has in it. That - in itself - is not bad. One's family is a keystone to a successful quit.
However, I know personally that a girlfriend/wife can drive a husband into a "quit" - I'd been there several times, and I know I'm not alone here. My desire to quit to be good to my wife was earnest. I also told myself that I was quitting for me. But in short order, all it did was turn me into a worthless, lying sack of ninja-dipping shit.
Only you know what your real situation is, and I'm not saying it's one way or the other. And you don't have to convince me in either case. I'm just rapping here, hopefully for everyone's benefit.
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Question, should a quit plan include caving as the last possible step of the plan when all else has failed?
Abso-fucking-lootly-not
Caving is not part of a quit; it's the failure of the plan, not part of it!!
FYI, question posted in general discussion. Your step 7 needs to be replace with steps through about 1,000,000 before a cave is even thought of and even step 1,000,001 should not be to cave. Like said above, a cave is the failure of the plan not a part of it.
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Question, should a quit plan include caving as the last possible step of the plan when all else has failed?
Abso-fucking-lootly-not
Caving is not part of a quit; it's the failure of the plan, not part of it!!
Step #7 isn't part of a plan for success. You should ditch it, regardless if it serves as an incentive for you. In a roadmap for quitting, why include a step that shows caving, even if the consequences are "impossible"?
I'd never sign anything that gives my wife permission to bail; that makes this look like you're ultimately quitting to appease or retain your wife, or quitting to be a model for your son. I think those are admirable benefits to quitting, but ultimately YOU have to be the reason you are quitting. You know why? Because YOU have ninja-dipped like the rest of us and you know how to hide the shit. You can hide the shit from your wife , your son, from the clowns on this website (US), but you CAN'T HIDE THAT SHIT FROM YOURSELF.
You might as well have step 7 say "put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, then I'll dip". Lame.
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What is caving?
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
AND IN THE NAME OF GOD, MIKEA, CHANGE YOUR AVATAR, YOU'RE GIVING ME WOOD AT WORK!!!!
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?
If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.
My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.
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I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family. They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.
THAT part made me physically shudder.
For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?
If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.
My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.
Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.
I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?
If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.
My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.
Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.
I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.
Mike, you've been key in my quit over the past 2 years, but I'm having a hard time understanding your distaste for his plan...I've seen you give people the Contract To Quit link...have we all forgotten the content therein?
Contract to Give Up
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: ____________________
Date: ____________________
This has been a cornerstone of the whole quit process for years - I don't see how it is very much different than the sentiment Lochi is trying to get across in HIS plan...I have a similar statement in my plan...also modeled on this...
Help me understand...I'm seeing his point but missing yours, too.
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What is caving?
It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.
I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?
If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.
My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.
Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.
I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.
Mike, you've been key in my quit over the past 2 years, but I'm having a hard time understanding your distaste for his plan...I've seen you give people the Contract To Quit link...have we all forgotten the content therein?
Contract to Give Up
I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.
I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.
Signature: ____________________
Date: ____________________
This has been a cornerstone of the whole quit process for years - I don't see how it is very much different than the sentiment Lochi is trying to get across in HIS plan...I have a similar statement in my plan...also modeled on this...
Help me understand...I'm seeing his point but missing yours, too.
correct, I give the contract for quitters to read. You have never heard me tell some to sign it and give up.
Signing that contract is like caving...it's never an option.
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I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family. They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.
THAT part made me physically shudder.
For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.
Who am I? A nobody. an 11 day in quitter. Still in the fog some days.
But I agree step 7 is a little questionable. ESPECIALLY that part where you tell your 8 year old son that you want him to chew with you some day...
Maybe it's some sort of sick thing to help you from caving. But I'd also add, this step of step 7 comes in AFTER they have to goto the store with you and watch you put a dip in your mouth.
Made me shudder too.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
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I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family. They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.
THAT part made me physically shudder.
For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.
Who am I? A nobody. an 11 day in quitter. Still in the fog some days.
But I agree step 7 is a little questionable. ESPECIALLY that part where you tell your 8 year old son that you want him to chew with you some day...
Maybe it's some sort of sick thing to help you from caving. But I'd also add, this step of step 7 comes in AFTER they have to goto the store with you and watch you put a dip in your mouth.
Made me shudder too.
Quite literally, there is no response to this post. 'bang head'
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.
My quit plan is very simple
Step #1, don't use nicotine
Step #2, see step #1
I have never made it to step 2.
Yes people, it really is that easy.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
I just posted my quit plan in june's group. I'm a member of May, but posted support and NOLAQ posted a questionairre as to what brought you to KTC and how you found it
and what your quit plan is when the gets tough.
Go on to that group and you can read my quit plan
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
I just posted my quit plan in june's group. I'm a member of May, but posted support and NOLAQ posted a questionairre as to what brought you to KTC and how you found it
and what your quit plan is when the gets tough.
Go on to that group and you can read my quit plan
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.
My quit plan is very simple
Step #1, don't use nicotine
Step #2, see step #1
I have never made it to step 2.
Yes people, it really is that easy.
THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR PLAN MIKE.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
I just posted my quit plan in june's group. I'm a member of May, but posted support and NOLAQ posted a questionairre as to what brought you to KTC and how you found it
and what your quit plan is when the gets tough.
Go on to that group and you can read my quit plan
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!
I posted my quit plan about an hour before coach doc asked me for mine. I'm also right now copying and pasting it into my intro thread, and may tweak things around a little bit.
I didn't write a quit plan because someone was trying to call me out on not having one and I'm not quitting to show you guys anything or to prove myself.
I'm quitting for myself and sometimes this site is too much drama. I'll keep posting roll everyday but trying to start a pissing contest over nothing doesn't help with anybody's quit.
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For the incredulous, A.K.A. Coachdoc you can find my 5 step quit plan (that should not get past step 3) on my intro thread.
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22 days of quit between the two of you....
When I refer to YOU, I mean either of you or the both of you....just to be clear...
You belittle his plan...and effort...calling it retarded...and proceed to explain how you in all your quit wisdom will shed light on how his plan...SUCKS....
You speak of his past failures as if you were here supporting him and watching him fail despite your support - you were not.
And to challenge the two of you to post up a quit plan....so what...ya feel all butt hurt by it? You'll get over it. And quite honestly, I'd have hoped to see something a bit more substantial in a quit plan, Kayak...you would be better served to take a little more time and make it more detailed...
So, you two wanna be all pissed off? Go for it....you want to give helpful criticism to someone elses quit plan? Good on ya. Ya wanna take pot shots at someone while riding on the coattails of some of the vets comments...pretty lame...
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.
My quit plan is very simple
Step #1, don't use nicotine
Step #2, see step #1
I have never made it to step 2.
Yes people, it really is that easy.
THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR PLAN MIKE.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Mission is not accomplished until the day I die nicotine free. At that point of time I can say I had a successful quit.
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22 days of quit between the two of you....
When I refer to YOU, I mean either of you or the both of you....just to be clear...
You belittle his plan...and effort...calling it retarded...and proceed to explain how you in all your quit wisdom will shed light on how his plan...SUCKS....
You speak of his past failures as if you were here supporting him and watching him fail despite your support - you were not.
And to challenge the two of you to post up a quit plan....so what...ya feel all butt hurt by it? You'll get over it. And quite honestly, I'd have hoped to see something a bit more substantial in a quit plan, Kayak...you would be better served to take a little more time and make it more detailed...
So, you two wanna be all pissed off? Go for it....you want to give helpful criticism to someone elses quit plan? Good on ya. Ya wanna take pot shots at someone while riding on the coattails of some of the vets comments...pretty lame...
Sorry Doc,
I'm not buying into the theory that only 'vets' have good ideas, experience, or valuable criticism when it is asked for.
And I'm not pissed in any shape or fashion. I'm a little perplexed by your bullying fantasy, though.
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I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.
Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?
Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.Â
I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.
You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.
I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.
I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.
Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?
Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...
And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...
So, let's see YOUR plans...
Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.
My quit plan is very simple
Step #1, don't use nicotine
Step #2, see step #1
I have never made it to step 2.
Yes people, it really is that easy.
THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR PLAN MIKE.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Mission is not accomplished until the day I die nicotine free. At that point of time I can say I had a successful quit.
i think you know that's not what i meant but no truer words have been said
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It's obvious my plan has sparked some heated debate and that's fine with me. I have been here long enough to know when I make a post entitled RETREAD QUIT PLAN it was going to be examined with a fine tooth comb and ripped to shreds. It's one of the aspects of KTC that mean so much to me - people with conviction. I appreciate those who have "got my point" and I have tried to understand those who take issue with it. Because we have such differing philosophies, I will be happy with it leading to spirited debate and hope it doesn't offend anyone. We all have different histories but we are all in here for the same reason.
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22 days of quit between the two of you....
When I refer to YOU, I mean either of you or the both of you....just to be clear...
You belittle his plan...and effort...calling it retarded...and proceed to explain how you in all your quit wisdom will shed light on how his plan...SUCKS....
You speak of his past failures as if you were here supporting him and watching him fail despite your support - you were not.
And to challenge the two of you to post up a quit plan....so what...ya feel all butt hurt by it? You'll get over it. And quite honestly, I'd have hoped to see something a bit more substantial in a quit plan, Kayak...you would be better served to take a little more time and make it more detailed...
So, you two wanna be all pissed off? Go for it....you want to give helpful criticism to someone elses quit plan? Good on ya. Ya wanna take pot shots at someone while riding on the coattails of some of the vets comments...pretty lame...
Sorry Doc,
I'm not buying into the theory that only 'vets' have good ideas, experience, or valuable criticism when it is asked for.
And I'm not pissed in any shape or fashion. I'm a little perplexed by your bullying fantasy, though.
I'd just like to add, I never spoke of his past failures. I don't believe Russ did either.
I won't add more to this thread I'll just post roll in the morning and keep my mouth shut.
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22 days of quit between the two of you....
When I refer to YOU, I mean either of you or the both of you....just to be clear...
You belittle his plan...and effort...calling it retarded...and proceed to explain how you in all your quit wisdom will shed light on how his plan...SUCKS....
You speak of his past failures as if you were here supporting him and watching him fail despite your support - you were not.
And to challenge the two of you to post up a quit plan....so what...ya feel all butt hurt by it? You'll get over it. And quite honestly, I'd have hoped to see something a bit more substantial in a quit plan, Kayak...you would be better served to take a little more time and make it more detailed...
So, you two wanna be all pissed off? Go for it....you want to give helpful criticism to someone elses quit plan? Good on ya. Ya wanna take pot shots at someone while riding on the coattails of some of the vets comments...pretty lame...
Sorry Doc,
I'm not buying into the theory that only 'vets' have good ideas, experience, or valuable criticism when it is asked for.
And I'm not pissed in any shape or fashion. I'm a little perplexed by your bullying fantasy, though.
sorry you felt bullied..... _
And NEVER did you see or will you see me saying only vets have good ideas...nor will you see me refer to myself as a vet unless I speak of military vet...
So you go on with your bad self...boy you put this guy in his place....
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It's obvious my plan has sparked some heated debate and that's fine with me. I have been here long enough to know when I make a post entitled RETREAD QUIT PLAN it was going to be examined with a fine tooth comb and ripped to shreds. It's one of the aspects of KTC that mean so much to me - people with conviction. I appreciate those who have "got my point" and I have tried to understand those who take issue with it. Because we have such differing philosophies, I will be happy with it leading to spirited debate and hope it doesn't offend anyone. We all have different histories but we are all in here for the same reason.
I ain't here to talk about your past, I'd like to congratulate you for today and say keep on moving forward.
Quit plans are a good idea and I'm not going to knock that. As addicts, we need to have something to use as a guide or we might go back to our old addict ways.
I personally do not have a plan, other than posting roll every day and keeping my word. This thread has caused me to think about that a little more.
I also would recommend getting out and meeting some quitters. That has really strengthened my quit.
Loch-Dawg knows that his quit is up to HIM to protect. Whatever tools you have, I say let's use 'em.
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It's obvious my plan has sparked some heated debate and that's fine with me. I have been here long enough to know when I make a post entitled RETREAD QUIT PLAN it was going to be examined with a fine tooth comb and ripped to shreds. It's one of the aspects of KTC that mean so much to me - people with conviction. I appreciate those who have "got my point" and I have tried to understand those who take issue with it. Because we have such differing philosophies, I will be happy with it leading to spirited debate and hope it doesn't offend anyone. We all have different histories but we are all in here for the same reason.
I ain't here to talk about your past, I'd like to congratulate you for today and say keep on moving forward.
Quit plans are a good idea and I'm not going to knock that. As addicts, we need to have something to use as a guide or we might go back to our old addict ways.
I personally do not have a plan, other than posting roll every day and keeping my word. This thread has caused me to think about that a little more.
I also would recommend getting out and meeting some quitters. That has really strengthened my quit.
Loch-Dawg knows that his quit is up to HIM to protect. Whatever tools you have, I say let's use 'em.
I just might move south so I can hang out with Miles on a regular basis.
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22 days of quit between the two of you....
When I refer to YOU, I mean either of you or the both of you....just to be clear...
You belittle his plan...and effort...calling it retarded...and proceed to explain how you in all your quit wisdom will shed light on how his plan...SUCKS....
You speak of his past failures as if you were here supporting him and watching him fail despite your support - you were not.
And to challenge the two of you to post up a quit plan....so what...ya feel all butt hurt by it? You'll get over it. And quite honestly, I'd have hoped to see something a bit more substantial in a quit plan, Kayak...you would be better served to take a little more time and make it more detailed...
So, you two wanna be all pissed off? Go for it....you want to give helpful criticism to someone elses quit plan? Good on ya. Ya wanna take pot shots at someone while riding on the coattails of some of the vets comments...pretty lame...
Sorry Doc,
I'm not buying into the theory that only 'vets' have good ideas, experience, or valuable criticism when it is asked for.
And I'm not pissed in any shape or fashion. I'm a little perplexed by your bullying fantasy, though.
sorry you felt bullied..... _
And NEVER did you see or will you see me saying only vets have good ideas...nor will you see me refer to myself as a vet unless I speak of military vet...
So you go on with your bad self...boy you put this guy in his place....
Doc,
Far's I'm concerned, we're on the same team. Let's move on?
--Russ