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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: JRizzle on June 10, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
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Alright, this is day 3 of my quit; my last dip was Friday morning at 7:30. I started chewing when I was 16 (12 years ago) and since I started this is the longest I've gone without chewing. Honestly I was addicted very strong; during busy times on the farm I'd go through 1.5 cans/day, and even during the slow times I still generally went through 1 can/day.
I first tried quitting in January of 2012, but I pussed out. Then last November I found the killthecan.com website and managed to cut back substantially, which was capped by a single 24 hour period without chewing. Slowly, however, my consumption increased, and by this last planting season I was back to my maximum chewing levels.
In April I got a sore on a gum that had given me on-again, off-again pain for years. Although it hadn't really gotten worse, it hadn't gotten better either, and last week I finally sucked it up and scheduled an appointment to see my dentist. He said he is pretty sure it's not malignant and that my gum has simply eroded away in one spot so the root of the tooth is slightly exposed; not altogether uncommon, but if it can't heal itself then they will need to do a skin graft.
Coming into that appointment (which was last Thursday) I had put strong controls over my chewing (not bringing to my office job, nor in my vehicle, etc., essentially just dipping at home). Then, after talking to my dentist, I realized that I don't need the stuff at all. I had a dip that night, one Friday morning, and none since.
I thought the weekend would be really tough. It had its moments, but although I thought about dipping a bit I really never felt strongly compelled to cave. I know that every quit is different, that my fog might come after 2 weeks or even 2 months, but I'm encouraged that I've been able to stop thus far and have been able to choke off any fleeting urges. And guess what: my mouth feels great!! Although I have my doubts that my gum will completely heal itself without some grafting, in general the interior of my mouth feels smooth, clean, and it doesn't have a bunch of rough, white areas.
So, that's my story. I'm having trouble figuring out how to join my quit group/post roll, so if anyone can provide the link I need to go to in order to join you in posting roll that would be great!
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This site can help you kick your nicotine habit to the curb. We don't use words like try or hope as they are just another excuse for our addictive brains to tell us another lie. There are no short cuts, but here are some links that will help you navigate this site.
This a NO NICOTINE site. End of discussion. Why this Site Works (http://www.killthecan.org/about/why.asp)
Biggest thing to do is get acquainted with this site.
Highly recommend you go here: Welcome Center (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showforum=13), Getting Acclimated (http://forum.killthecan.org/index.php?showtopic=7614) and What to Expect (http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp)
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Just wanted to offer a welcome. You sound ready. Don't be afraid to admit you're an addict. I'm a firm believer that those who can't embrace that they are addicts and not simply addicted are destined for a cave. The difference is this: if you are just addicted, you can beat that and then try a little when you're not addicted anymore. When you're an addict, it's for life and "just one" is too many.
So for today I promise not to use nicotine with you.
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Welcome JR. You are a member of the September, 2013 Quit group. Look in the upper right hand of your screen and you will see a box that says "Inbox". Open it and you will have a message (PM) from me. It is my telephone number. Please call me and I will help you out with the posting of roll and answer some questions you are sure to have. Best regards, Wayne
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Welcome to the SUCK my friend. It will be the worst but most rewarding days of your life. It will be your right of passage into this brotherhood. We all can tell stories about the SUCK!! ( First 3 days of quitting) Embrace it! Remember how bad it is so you will never do this shit to yourself again!! I quit with you today!!
Hydrate, Work out and stay quit!!! Post Roll, Keep your Word and Repeat daily my friend!!
PM me if you need anything!!
J
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JR, remember everything you just wrote! Think of that potential cancer lurking in your gums. Skin Graphs? Sounds like fun NOT!!! Go own your quit. Be accountable, reach out and stay quit. Post roll, very damn day man, like your life depends on it. Because it does.
Ill quit with you today. Then we will do it again tomorrow!
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Welcome JR - congrats on your decision. You will not regret it. PM me for my number - this is all about accountability and getting involved. You have succeeded. The decision has been made and you're quit. Now it's all about doing whatever you need to do to post a +1 every damn day. Listen to the vets here, they are wiser than Confucius and can run faster than cheetahs with jet packs. Post roll, but come back here periodically to to log your journey.
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Yesterday and today were a little harder than the 1st couple days. I fought insomnia overnight and had my first dip dream. Wow, who woulda thought that a poisonous, heavily addictive substance like nicotine could cause issues like that??
There are two main justifications my mind goes through:
1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
First, this journey is a day at a time. I quit today. As Christ instructed, I will let tomorrow worry about itself.
Second, there is truth that I got a buzz from dip. But did I enjoy golfing more because I had a dip?? When I laughed with my dad on the farm over some joke, was that moment more enjoyable because I was chewing?? So much of life is moment-to-moment emotions, and as soon as we're distracted then the non-essentials (nicotine cravings) fade to the background. Furthermore, my brain has to re-wire some of its memories/associations, which will take time.
Finally, I remember when I first started chewing. It helped pass the time in the tractor or in my car on the way to college. But it wouldn't stop. Soon it was demanding more and more of my time, energy, thoughts, and money, and it was giving me less and less in return. It was giving me anxiety to think about how I would survive without it and making me run around ensuring a supply without any pleasure whatsoever. By the end it owned me, defined me, and it had cost me so many leisurely, social, and professional experiences because it controlled me.
In that way it reminds me so much of the nature of sin. Sin promises pleasure but only provides despair. And all I can do now is admit I am a sinner, I am an addict, and that I can only move on by relying on God and fellowship by taking it one day at a time.
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Yesterday and today were a little harder than the 1st couple days. I fought insomnia overnight and had my first dip dream. Wow, who woulda thought that a poisonous, heavily addictive substance like nicotine could cause issues like that??
There are two main justifications my mind goes through:
1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
First, this journey is a day at a time. I quit today. As Christ instructed, I will let tomorrow worry about itself.Â
Second, there is truth that I got a buzz from dip. But did I enjoy golfing more because I had a dip?? When I laughed with my dad on the farm over some joke, was that moment more enjoyable because I was chewing?? So much of life is moment-to-moment emotions, and as soon as we're distracted then the non-essentials (nicotine cravings) fade to the background. Furthermore, my brain has to re-wire some of its memories/associations, which will take time.
Finally, I remember when I first started chewing. It helped pass the time in the tractor or in my car on the way to college. But it wouldn't stop. Soon it was demanding more and more of my time, energy, thoughts, and money, and it was giving me less and less in return. It was giving me anxiety to think about how I would survive without it and making me run around ensuring a supply without any pleasure whatsoever. By the end it owned me, defined me, and it had cost me so many leisurely, social, and professional experiences because it controlled me.Â
In that way it reminds me so much of the nature of sin. Sin promises pleasure but only provides despair. And all I can do now is admit I am a sinner, I am an addict, and that I can only move on by relying on God and fellowship by taking it one day at a time.
JR, you got a few more days of the crap, it will continue to get worse before it gets better.
I like you was in love with my dip. It was my savior, to stressful day, or my companion on a long drive. My buddy, that watched me sink that 30 foot birdie putt. My hunting partner, and my fishing companion. My office mate, my bed mate at times.
All of this love right? But she was trying to kill me! The Nic bitch had me so blind, that I did not see the true her. As the years pressed on my dependence grew. She then started to turn ugly, and the light was shown. She did not make any of those things better, she blinded me with POISON!
I can promise you this, hang in there, it gets better. Also, the 30' birdie putt, feels better when you are not strained and tied by an addiction.
Own it, I quit with you.
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Yesterday and today were a little harder than the 1st couple days. I fought insomnia overnight and had my first dip dream. Wow, who woulda thought that a poisonous, heavily addictive substance like nicotine could cause issues like that??
There are two main justifications my mind goes through:
1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
First, this journey is a day at a time. I quit today. As Christ instructed, I will let tomorrow worry about itself.Â
Second, there is truth that I got a buzz from dip. But did I enjoy golfing more because I had a dip?? When I laughed with my dad on the farm over some joke, was that moment more enjoyable because I was chewing?? So much of life is moment-to-moment emotions, and as soon as we're distracted then the non-essentials (nicotine cravings) fade to the background. Furthermore, my brain has to re-wire some of its memories/associations, which will take time.
Finally, I remember when I first started chewing. It helped pass the time in the tractor or in my car on the way to college. But it wouldn't stop. Soon it was demanding more and more of my time, energy, thoughts, and money, and it was giving me less and less in return. It was giving me anxiety to think about how I would survive without it and making me run around ensuring a supply without any pleasure whatsoever. By the end it owned me, defined me, and it had cost me so many leisurely, social, and professional experiences because it controlled me.Â
In that way it reminds me so much of the nature of sin. Sin promises pleasure but only provides despair. And all I can do now is admit I am a sinner, I am an addict, and that I can only move on by relying on God and fellowship by taking it one day at a time.
Well put JRizz. The whole re-wiring of the brain is so true. EVERYTHING that I do has at one time or another been associated with a pinch of Skoal. Not no more. Time to make some new memories without the bitch. Starting tonight fixing the riding lawnmower. I'll have my 7 year old boy help me and not have to stop mid sentence to walk out of the garage to spit before I continue....
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1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
I'm familiar with these 2 lies. They've come and gone more times than I can count during my quit. My grandfather was 89 when he passed, and he dipped and smoked. During bad craves, I would actually fantasize about making it to my 80's just so I could cave and not care at all. Like having a final victory cigar (no nic pun intended) while riding off into the sunset. That's fucking morbid and wierd.
The second lie, about things being less enjoyable without dip, plagues everyone early in their quit. I dipped for about the same amount of time as you, 11 years, from 14 to 25. It's pretty damn hard to remember how things were when you were a young teen, so essentially all you know is life with dip. What you'll realize is, dip doesn't make anything better. Actually, not only have the things I did with dip been better, I now do more things because I don't dip.
It's crazy how many more things I can do now that my blood pressure isn't always high, I'm not always anxious, and I'm not hiding alone somewhere because I'm embarrassed about having shit in my mouth. It's a beautiful moment in your quit when you realize that the world is a gigantic place with so many opportunities you've been missing out on because of this addiction. That's when the phrase "the world is your oyster" starts to not seem so cheesy. Go out and live life to the fullest man! Leave the poison behind.
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1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
I'm familiar with these 2 lies. They've come and gone more times than I can count during my quit. My grandfather was 89 when he passed, and he dipped and smoked. During bad craves, I would actually fantasize about making it to my 80's just so I could cave and not care at all. Like having a final victory cigar (no nic pun intended) while riding off into the sunset. That's fucking morbid and wierd.
The second lie, about things being less enjoyable without dip, plagues everyone early in their quit. I dipped for about the same amount of time as you, 11 years, from 14 to 25. It's pretty damn hard to remember how things were when you were a young teen, so essentially all you know is life with dip. What you'll realize is, dip doesn't make anything better. Actually, not only have the things I did with dip been better, I now do more things because I don't dip.
It's crazy how many more things I can do now that my blood pressure isn't always high, I'm not always anxious, and I'm not hiding alone somewhere because I'm embarrassed about having shit in my mouth. It's a beautiful moment in your quit when you realize that the world is a gigantic place with so many opportunities you've been missing out on because of this addiction. That's when the phrase "the world is your oyster" starts to not seem so cheesy. Go out and live life to the fullest man! Leave the poison behind.
He is right. The bitch is whispering in your ear. DON'T Listen!!!
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1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
I'm familiar with these 2 lies. They've come and gone more times than I can count during my quit. My grandfather was 89 when he passed, and he dipped and smoked. During bad craves, I would actually fantasize about making it to my 80's just so I could cave and not care at all. Like having a final victory cigar (no nic pun intended) while riding off into the sunset. That's fucking morbid and wierd.
The second lie, about things being less enjoyable without dip, plagues everyone early in their quit. I dipped for about the same amount of time as you, 11 years, from 14 to 25. It's pretty damn hard to remember how things were when you were a young teen, so essentially all you know is life with dip. What you'll realize is, dip doesn't make anything better. Actually, not only have the things I did with dip been better, I now do more things because I don't dip.
It's crazy how many more things I can do now that my blood pressure isn't always high, I'm not always anxious, and I'm not hiding alone somewhere because I'm embarrassed about having shit in my mouth. It's a beautiful moment in your quit when you realize that the world is a gigantic place with so many opportunities you've been missing out on because of this addiction. That's when the phrase "the world is your oyster" starts to not seem so cheesy. Go out and live life to the fullest man! Leave the poison behind.
He is right. The bitch is whispering in your ear. DON'T Listen!!!
I had these come to mind when I first started my quit dont listen.... you can do this just one day at a time keep on quiting.
dkite
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1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
I'm familiar with these 2 lies. They've come and gone more times than I can count during my quit. My grandfather was 89 when he passed, and he dipped and smoked. During bad craves, I would actually fantasize about making it to my 80's just so I could cave and not care at all. Like having a final victory cigar (no nic pun intended) while riding off into the sunset. That's fucking morbid and wierd.
The second lie, about things being less enjoyable without dip, plagues everyone early in their quit. I dipped for about the same amount of time as you, 11 years, from 14 to 25. It's pretty damn hard to remember how things were when you were a young teen, so essentially all you know is life with dip. What you'll realize is, dip doesn't make anything better. Actually, not only have the things I did with dip been better, I now do more things because I don't dip.
It's crazy how many more things I can do now that my blood pressure isn't always high, I'm not always anxious, and I'm not hiding alone somewhere because I'm embarrassed about having shit in my mouth. It's a beautiful moment in your quit when you realize that the world is a gigantic place with so many opportunities you've been missing out on because of this addiction. That's when the phrase "the world is your oyster" starts to not seem so cheesy. Go out and live life to the fullest man! Leave the poison behind.
He is right. The bitch is whispering in your ear. DON'T Listen!!!
I had these come to mind when I first started my quit dont listen.... you can do this just one day at a time keep on quiting.
dkite
Sin = Bad
Prayers = Good
Nicotine = Bad
Post roll early in your a.m. = Good
Keep your word all day = Good
Wake and Repeat = Good
ODAAT = One day at a time
NAFAR = Never again for any reason
This is hard work and well worth it, if you value your tongue and jaw.
ODAAT and NAFAR
Welcome addict, to taking your life back.
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Man you gotta just keep on keeping on. Your brain is gonna play tricks on you every way it can. It wants you to poison it. Or at least it thinks it does. You are healing believe it or not. And believe this or not it gets better. I am only on day 43 and it seems like every day is a huge improvement now. It also feels like I have been quit longer than I have. It still has its moments but as many below said it gets better. Keep your head in the game, keep your word, remember you posted roll and can't dip that day. One day at a time bro . One day at a time.
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Welcome JR! I am glad you decided to save your life and quit that shit. I have been using for 34 years! Started in grade school. So I know what you are saying about the want a dip when doing certain things. I fight it each day....but the fight is a little easier. Think about it this way. It is morbid....but it worked for me.
You have a demon in your grasp and he is very very strong the first days. He will say he loves you. He will tell you have to have him. He will be in your dreams and make you doubt you decisions. He even will make you sick and hateful. His scream is the loudest the first days of your quit. So loud you cant think! As time passes he loses some of his strength. You are getting the upper hand now. He is still there and he still screams and gets in your face. You now have control and can deal with triggers.
Eventually as more time goes he is weaker, but still very alive. Now he has to save up his energy to scream at you! Now you can slap the shit out of him and take your life back.
The demon will live as long as your alive. He will never go away! When you have finally weakened him....never give him the power to scream like he did in the beginning...never!
Stay in control! post everyday! Reach out to others!
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Day 4 was tough and day 5 has been tougher
But all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the fog lifts!!
It's no longer "put your head down, fight through the pain"; it feels natural, good, preferable
Who knows how long it lasts? Maybe only 10 minutes. But it gives hope; and I have to be honest, I really feel that emotions are exaggerated without a nicotine buffer. When I get excited now I really FEEL it!
If there's anyone reading this who's either going through a fog, fight through it, even embrace it. It lifts. And when it does the sun is bright and shiny and warm, almost like a beautiful June day that you're about to go out and enjoy, discover, soak in.
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Day 4 was tough and day 5 has been tougher
But all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the fog lifts!!
It's no longer "put your head down, fight through the pain"; it feels natural, good, preferable
Who knows how long it lasts? Maybe only 10 minutes. But it gives hope; and I have to be honest, I really feel that emotions are exaggerated without a nicotine buffer. When I get excited now I really FEEL it!
If there's anyone reading this who's either going through a fog, fight through it, even embrace it. It lifts. And when it does the sun is bright and shiny and warm, almost like a beautiful June day that you're about to go out and enjoy, discover, soak in.
Fantastic Job JR! It is only going to get better, friend.
Holler if you need anything,
30
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Day 4 was tough and day 5 has been tougher
But all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the fog lifts!!
It's no longer "put your head down, fight through the pain"; it feels natural, good, preferable
Who knows how long it lasts? Maybe only 10 minutes. But it gives hope; and I have to be honest, I really feel that emotions are exaggerated without a nicotine buffer. When I get excited now I really FEEL it!
If there's anyone reading this who's either going through a fog, fight through it, even embrace it. It lifts. And when it does the sun is bright and shiny and warm, almost like a beautiful June day that you're about to go out and enjoy, discover, soak in.
I'm glad to see you keep on keepin on. Brother, I looked down through your thread getting caught up. Make this quit about you brother. Stink on the people that go back to this addiction after years,, IDIOTS!! You don't need their approval to quit. Life is so much better without this poison.
5 days feels good, you know why!! For 5 days you have been taking your life back. For 5 days you haven't spent your hard earned money on something that's taking your freedom, money, integrity and slowly killing you.
You are now nicotine free bother, 5 days it's gone. Go outside, take a look around, your a free man. See the world the way it was intended. Don't let this crap lie to you anymore. Why would you need it to enjoy life? LIFE WASN'T MEANT TO BE LEAD AROUND BY A CAN OF DIRT!! Go Enjoy yourself, screw the poison.
Your brain will believe what you tell it. Quitting comes from deep brother. Billions of people live and enjoy themselves without it everyday, why can't you. My worst day without the can is better than my best day with it and I quit with you today. Pm me if you need anything.
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Day 6 = a little better. Still foggy. But better.
Probably the biggest thing I fight is fatigue. And per the suggestions of vets, I'm going to go into a bit of detail here so I remember what the quit begins like :
Days -4,380 - 0 Dip dip dip, addiction, slavery, dip dip dip, cancer scare, gum disease, yuck yuck yuck, lost lots of $$$
Day 1 Really not too bad, amazed I was able to just kind of quit
Day 2 Maybe a bit of a crave, but still going strong
Day 3 Started to get a little foggy; that night I had my 1st dip dream
Day 4 Terrible day. I honestly have a hard time remembering it now. Head in the clouds, throat got sore, almost caved for the 1st time, brutal
Day 5 Still very foggy, very hazy. My mouth started going numb. Dip dream #2, insomnia, just really feel like you're almost not living your own life; however, I did have a brief reprieve which provided some hope!
Day 6 Foggy, but a little less intense. But my gum which had literally worn away to expose the root of one of my teeth is beginning to heal!! Not sure if it will completely heal on its own or not but it's certainly headed in the right direction
And I'm still quit. Honestly, when you look at how much abuse I put my body through it's amazing that I can heal at all. I was absolutely destroying my body with the crap. The fog sucks. I'm tired of it. But having my body heal is worth it. Not being a slave today to nicotine is worth it. Having the opportunity to challenge other men and women while they challenge me just as iron sharpens iron is worth it.
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Awesome! You are doing this! Almost through week 1 stay strong.
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1) People struggle and even cave with this even YEARS after they originally quit
2) I'm missing out on all the things that I enjoy, or better put I'm not enjoying them as much as I would if I had access to tobacco
I'm familiar with these 2 lies. They've come and gone more times than I can count during my quit. My grandfather was 89 when he passed, and he dipped and smoked. During bad craves, I would actually fantasize about making it to my 80's just so I could cave and not care at all. Like having a final victory cigar (no nic pun intended) while riding off into the sunset. That's fucking morbid and wierd.
The second lie, about things being less enjoyable without dip, plagues everyone early in their quit. I dipped for about the same amount of time as you, 11 years, from 14 to 25. It's pretty damn hard to remember how things were when you were a young teen, so essentially all you know is life with dip. What you'll realize is, dip doesn't make anything better. Actually, not only have the things I did with dip been better, I now do more things because I don't dip.
It's crazy how many more things I can do now that my blood pressure isn't always high, I'm not always anxious, and I'm not hiding alone somewhere because I'm embarrassed about having shit in my mouth. It's a beautiful moment in your quit when you realize that the world is a gigantic place with so many opportunities you've been missing out on because of this addiction. That's when the phrase "the world is your oyster" starts to not seem so cheesy. Go out and live life to the fullest man! Leave the poison behind.
He is right. The bitch is whispering in your ear. DON'T Listen!!!
I had these come to mind when I first started my quit dont listen.... you can do this just one day at a time keep on quiting.
dkite
Sin = Bad
Prayers = Good
Nicotine = Bad
Post roll early in your a.m. = Good
Keep your word all day = Good
Wake and Repeat = Good
ODAAT = One day at a time
NAFAR = Never again for any reason
This is hard work and well worth it, if you value your tongue and jaw.
ODAAT and NAFAR
Welcome addict, to taking your life back.
Regarding the lie, looking back, I don’t think I “enjoyed” the hours of dipping as much as I thought early on in my quit. I think everything I did while dipping just became normal, a habit, that I imagined was enjoyable. It’s sort of like wiping your ass. You do it front to back. Why? First, so you don’t shitty-up your balls. Second, because that’s how you were taught and it has become the normal thing to do after years and years of daily implementation. We dipped (or other Nic delivery vehicle) for so long while doing certain things that were enjoyable that our brains now mistakenly think that dip was a key part of that enjoyment. It’s jJust another lie. Keep quitting one day at a time and your brain will slowly rewire itself back to how it was before you had that first taste. In the meantime, enjoy the suck.
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So proud of you! I'm trying to quit smoking myself. I just broke my first 24 hour period! I'm happy, but it's hard considering my work has a lot of smokers. :) I'm sure we're stronger, so we'll get through this JR!
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Good to have you join up! Congrats on the 1st 24 hour period; the key is breaking the initial inertia to quitting. Come join roll call in the Sep group tomorrow and open up a thread giving us your introduction so we can provide support, encouragement, accountability, etc. The more involved you get in your 1st couple weeks on this site the more likely you are to have success in your quit. So come join us so we can quit a day at a time together.
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Jrizzle, I want you to know that I am impressed with you. You seem to really get it. I've only been here three weeks but already I've seen people come and go. But then a guy like you steps on the scene and it's exciting! Neither one of us can get ahead of ourselves here but I look forward to reading what you have to say, seeing you offer support and strengthen other people's quit. Many of us wish we had your wisdom at that age. There are some young guys in your group that I've seen in chat. Kaw is brand new.... He's a young guy. Sack is coming back (hopefully with a very humble apology and changed ways) and he's a young guy. I know there are others. I can see you leading that group. I just want to let you know I'm paying attention as I'm sure many with far more days than me.
Also... Join us in chat sometime. :)
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Jrizzle, I want you to know that I am impressed with you. You seem to really get it. I've only been here three weeks but already I've seen people come and go. But then a guy like you steps on the scene and it's exciting! Neither one of us can get ahead of ourselves here but I look forward to reading what you have to say, seeing you offer support and strengthen other people's quit. Many of us wish we had your wisdom at that age. There are some young guys in your group that I've seen in chat. Kaw is brand new.... He's a young guy. Sack is coming back (hopefully with a very humble apology and changed ways) and he's a young guy. I know there are others. I can see you leading that group. I just want to let you know I'm paying attention as I'm sure many with far more days than me.
Also... Join us in chat sometime. :)
I'm also very impressed with your quit brother. It sound like lhg knows what to look for when she's looking for a quitter that means business. You are taking all the necessary steps to make this quit the most important thing in your life. Evil won made a good post on your thread a day or two ago. Read it again,, it takes a while for things like that to sink in.
Keep up the quit and getting involved with other quits. Before you know it the days will add and lies will be revealed. I quit with you today and any day that ends with a y.
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Jrizzle, I want you to know that I am impressed with you. You seem to really get it. I've only been here three weeks but already I've seen people come and go. But then a guy like you steps on the scene and it's exciting! Neither one of us can get ahead of ourselves here but I look forward to reading what you have to say, seeing you offer support and strengthen other people's quit. Many of us wish we had your wisdom at that age. There are some young guys in your group that I've seen in chat. Kaw is brand new.... He's a young guy. Sack is coming back (hopefully with a very humble apology and changed ways) and he's a young guy. I know there are others. I can see you leading that group. I just want to let you know I'm paying attention as I'm sure many with far more days than me.
Also... Join us in chat sometime. :)
I'm also very impressed with your quit brother. It sound like lhg knows what to look for when she's looking for a quitter that means business. You are taking all the necessary steps to make this quit the most important thing in your life. Evil won made a good post on your thread a day or two ago. Read it again,, it takes a while for things like that to sink in.
Keep up the quit and getting involved with other quits. Before you know it the days will add and lies will be revealed. I quit with you today and any day that ends with a y.
Thanks guys. You'll find out that I tend to be a philosophizer sometimes (Dodgeball reference), but this site really resonates because of all the parallels I see between this site and salvation:
- This site offers incredible grace (we don't judge you for your past, you don't need to be ashamed of your addiction here)
- This site offers incredible truth (just as God absolutely cannot tolerate sin, we absolutely do not tolerate nicotine use)
- The offer to joy is constantly extended to us (in this case joy is the cessation of tobacco) but it's up to us to participate and if anyone is lukewarm they get spit out (no pun intended)
- The devil (nicotine) tries to isolate us and separate us from the group just like a wolf would isolate a lamb from the flock, so fellowship is absolutely essential
So this site has allowed me to unload a lot of the shame and fear that I've felt for years while simultaneously giving me a kick in the butt and providing fellowship.
LHG, I agree too that it's important not to get the cart in front of the horse. Take it a day at a time. It reminds me of the parable of the spilled seed:
A man spilled seed as he was carrying a bag.
- Some of it was eaten by the birds (people that never find this, or any, encouragement to quit)
- Some of it fell on shallow soil so that it sprung up quickly but quickly withered away (newbies with a lot of excitement that cave because they can't sustain the energy)
- Some of it grew but was choked out by weeds (people who quit but eventually let a tough crave or stress get the best of them)
- Some of it fell on fertile soil and yielded a tremendous harvest (HOFers and vets that continue quit daily and provide encouragement accountability to newbies and each other)
Let's have hearts of fertile soil and get our quit on together today
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Jrizzle, I want you to know that I am impressed with you. You seem to really get it. I've only been here three weeks but already I've seen people come and go. But then a guy like you steps on the scene and it's exciting! Neither one of us can get ahead of ourselves here but I look forward to reading what you have to say, seeing you offer support and strengthen other people's quit. Many of us wish we had your wisdom at that age. There are some young guys in your group that I've seen in chat. Kaw is brand new.... He's a young guy. Sack is coming back (hopefully with a very humble apology and changed ways) and he's a young guy. I know there are others. I can see you leading that group. I just want to let you know I'm paying attention as I'm sure many with far more days than me.
Also... Join us in chat sometime. :)
I'm also very impressed with your quit brother. It sound like lhg knows what to look for when she's looking for a quitter that means business. You are taking all the necessary steps to make this quit the most important thing in your life. Evil won made a good post on your thread a day or two ago. Read it again,, it takes a while for things like that to sink in.
Keep up the quit and getting involved with other quits. Before you know it the days will add and lies will be revealed. I quit with you today and any day that ends with a y.
Thanks guys. You'll find out that I tend to be a philosophizer sometimes (Dodgeball reference), but this site really resonates because of all the parallels I see between this site and salvation:
- This site offers incredible grace (we don't judge you for your past, you don't need to be ashamed of your addiction here)
- This site offers incredible truth (just as God absolutely cannot tolerate sin, we absolutely do not tolerate nicotine use)
- The offer to joy is constantly extended to us (in this case joy is the cessation of tobacco) but it's up to us to participate and if anyone is lukewarm they get spit out (no pun intended)
- The devil (nicotine) tries to isolate us and separate us from the group just like a wolf would isolate a lamb from the flock, so fellowship is absolutely essential
So this site has allowed me to unload a lot of the shame and fear that I've felt for years while simultaneously giving me a kick in the butt and providing fellowship.
LHG, I agree too that it's important not to get the cart in front of the horse. Take it a day at a time. It reminds me of the parable of the spilled seed:
A man spilled seed as he was carrying a bag.
- Some of it was eaten by the birds (people that never find this, or any, encouragement to quit)
- Some of it fell on shallow soil so that it sprung up quickly but quickly withered away (newbies with a lot of excitement that cave because they can't sustain the energy)
- Some of it grew but was choked out by weeds (people who quit but eventually let a tough crave or stress get the best of them)
- Some of it fell on fertile soil and yielded a tremendous harvest (HOFers and vets that continue quit daily and provide encouragement accountability to newbies and each other)
Let's have hearts of fertile soil and get our quit on together today
Nice! I'd just like to echo srans and LHG - quite impressed with your grasp of the situation here. And I'm not a Bible-guy, but I can appreciate the good-vs-evil motif. The way I think of it is like a hostage situation. Nicotine has your health and well being held hostage and is starting to make unreasonable demands. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/scriptingnews/3116706556/)
Time for that shit to END. Quit with you today (todizzle?).
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JRizzle; I like the parallels that you draw with lessons in the good book and the lessons learned from those who frequent these pages. In the moments of strong crave (*early days) I leaned on Phillipians 4:13 and Mathew 6:34.
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Day 7 - Foggy morning, but the sun eventually burned the fog away to reveal a beautiful, clear, nic-free day. Went to Twins game and didn't even think about the dip
Day 8 - Still recovering from pulling an all-nighter, but got up, posted roll and quit.
I also had some issues with the ex on day 7. Didn't even think about reaching for the tin through all the drama. I know there are tough days ahead (just like winter's just around the corner in A Game of Thrones). But today I celebrate in the quit. I celebrate my mouth healing itself. I celebrate having fellowship and people that give a shit in my life. I celebrate my freedom today. I celebrate not being a slave to nicotine and all its ridiculous, suffocating demands. I celebrate and dedicate my quit to you all today.
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Day 7 - Foggy morning, but the sun eventually burned the fog away to reveal a beautiful, clear, nic-free day. Went to Twins game and didn't even think about the dip
Day 8 - Still recovering from pulling an all-nighter, but got up, posted roll and quit.
I also had some issues with the ex on day 7. Didn't even think about reaching for the tin through all the drama. I know there are tough days ahead (just like winter's just around the corner in A Game of Thrones). But today I celebrate in the quit. I celebrate my mouth healing itself. I celebrate having fellowship and people that give a shit in my life. I celebrate my freedom today. I celebrate not being a slave to nicotine and all its ridiculous, suffocating demands. I celebrate and dedicate my quit to you all today.
Sound great and good report. Each day is different. Win today's match and no worry what tomorrow brings, only face today
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Just wanted to pass on some great wisdom:
I was talking to my family yesterday about my quit. I told them about it, about this site, etc. I said that it was challenging but invigorating to be re-claiming my life. I also mentioned to them how frustrating it was to know that some people will cave after years of quit. And my brother looked at me and said you can't be scared to fail or you'll never accomplish anything in life.
That's a cliche statement to be sure, but it's also dead on. And that was one reason I was so reluctant to start my quit. Because I was scared of failure. So I held onto a demon that controlled my life, all because I was scared of some hypothetical situation.
So if any of you are reading this thinking about quitting but don't because of what I just mentioned, don't be scared of failure. Just come join us 1 day at a time. You'll need crutches at first; I know I still do. That's what this site is for. But as your legs strengthen you'll start walking with a limp, then after a while your gait will be great, and then you'll be able to run and swim and jump. You'll be free from the demon that has sunk its teeth into you and is sucking out your life.
Don't be scared to fail, just make the decision to quit today. This moment. That's all you need to worry about. What happens tomorrow will take care of itself and you have no control over it. But you do control your choice this moment. Today. You can invoke change in your life this very second. By choosing to live life to its fullest, be daring, taking a risk, looking fear in the eye, and saying "I quit".
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Just wanted to pass on some great wisdom:
I was talking to my family yesterday about my quit. I told them about it, about this site, etc. I said that it was challenging but invigorating to be re-claiming my life. I also mentioned to them how frustrating it was to know that some people will cave after years of quit. And my brother looked at me and said you can't be scared to fail or you'll never accomplish anything in life.
That's a cliche statement to be sure, but it's also dead on. And that was one reason I was so reluctant to start my quit. Because I was scared of failure. So I held onto a demon that controlled my life, all because I was scared of some hypothetical situation.
So if any of you are reading this thinking about quitting but don't because of what I just mentioned, don't be scared of failure. Just come join us 1 day at a time. You'll need crutches at first; I know I still do. That's what this site is for. But as your legs strengthen you'll start walking with a limp, then after a while your gait will be great, and then you'll be able to run and swim and jump. You'll be free from the demon that has sunk its teeth into you and is sucking out your life.
Don't be scared to fail, just make the decision to quit today. This moment. That's all you need to worry about. What happens tomorrow will take care of itself and you have no control over it. But you do control your choice this moment. Today. You can invoke change in your life this very second. By choosing to live life to its fullest, be daring, taking a risk, looking fear in the eye, and saying "I quit".
Good post rizzle. I to have often thought of how people go so long and then return to a poison that has no sole. A poison that has one intention, and that is to OWN YOU!
I can't really answer that question, but I can say one thing for sure. I posted up today and will honor that promise. I hate thinking to far ahead it gives me a headache. I quit with you brother.
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Just wanted to pass on some great wisdom:
I was talking to my family yesterday about my quit. I told them about it, about this site, etc. I said that it was challenging but invigorating to be re-claiming my life. I also mentioned to them how frustrating it was to know that some people will cave after years of quit. And my brother looked at me and said you can't be scared to fail or you'll never accomplish anything in life.
That's a cliche statement to be sure, but it's also dead on. And that was one reason I was so reluctant to start my quit. Because I was scared of failure. So I held onto a demon that controlled my life, all because I was scared of some hypothetical situation.
So if any of you are reading this thinking about quitting but don't because of what I just mentioned, don't be scared of failure. Just come join us 1 day at a time. You'll need crutches at first; I know I still do. That's what this site is for. But as your legs strengthen you'll start walking with a limp, then after a while your gait will be great, and then you'll be able to run and swim and jump. You'll be free from the demon that has sunk its teeth into you and is sucking out your life.
Don't be scared to fail, just make the decision to quit today. This moment. That's all you need to worry about. What happens tomorrow will take care of itself and you have no control over it. But you do control your choice this moment. Today. You can invoke change in your life this very second. By choosing to live life to its fullest, be daring, taking a risk, looking fear in the eye, and saying "I quit".
Good post rizzle. I to have often thought of how people go so long and then return to a poison that has no sole. A poison that has one intention, and that is to OWN YOU!
I can't really answer that question, but I can say one thing for sure. I posted up today and will honor that promise. I hate thinking to far ahead it gives me a headache. I quit with you brother.
I like to see how active and supportive you are being as a new quitter! Keep it going! Being active really does help to strengthen your own quit!
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Just wanted to pass on some great wisdom:
I was talking to my family yesterday about my quit. I told them about it, about this site, etc. I said that it was challenging but invigorating to be re-claiming my life. I also mentioned to them how frustrating it was to know that some people will cave after years of quit. And my brother looked at me and said you can't be scared to fail or you'll never accomplish anything in life.
That's a cliche statement to be sure, but it's also dead on. And that was one reason I was so reluctant to start my quit. Because I was scared of failure. So I held onto a demon that controlled my life, all because I was scared of some hypothetical situation.
So if any of you are reading this thinking about quitting but don't because of what I just mentioned, don't be scared of failure. Just come join us 1 day at a time. You'll need crutches at first; I know I still do. That's what this site is for. But as your legs strengthen you'll start walking with a limp, then after a while your gait will be great, and then you'll be able to run and swim and jump. You'll be free from the demon that has sunk its teeth into you and is sucking out your life.
Don't be scared to fail, just make the decision to quit today. This moment. That's all you need to worry about. What happens tomorrow will take care of itself and you have no control over it. But you do control your choice this moment. Today. You can invoke change in your life this very second. By choosing to live life to its fullest, be daring, taking a risk, looking fear in the eye, and saying "I quit".
Good post rizzle. I to have often thought of how people go so long and then return to a poison that has no sole. A poison that has one intention, and that is to OWN YOU!
I can't really answer that question, but I can say one thing for sure. I posted up today and will honor that promise. I hate thinking to far ahead it gives me a headache. I quit with you brother.
I like to see how active and supportive you are being as a new quitter! Keep it going! Being active really does help to strengthen your own quit!
I second what he ^^^ just said.
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Is that you in your avatar? Were you in the Olympics or something?
If so, sweet!!!
If not.. quit on my man!!!
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Just wanted to pass on some great wisdom:
I was talking to my family yesterday about my quit. I told them about it, about this site, etc. I said that it was challenging but invigorating to be re-claiming my life. I also mentioned to them how frustrating it was to know that some people will cave after years of quit. And my brother looked at me and said you can't be scared to fail or you'll never accomplish anything in life.
That's a cliche statement to be sure, but it's also dead on. And that was one reason I was so reluctant to start my quit. Because I was scared of failure. So I held onto a demon that controlled my life, all because I was scared of some hypothetical situation.
So if any of you are reading this thinking about quitting but don't because of what I just mentioned, don't be scared of failure. Just come join us 1 day at a time. You'll need crutches at first; I know I still do. That's what this site is for. But as your legs strengthen you'll start walking with a limp, then after a while your gait will be great, and then you'll be able to run and swim and jump. You'll be free from the demon that has sunk its teeth into you and is sucking out your life.
Don't be scared to fail, just make the decision to quit today. This moment. That's all you need to worry about. What happens tomorrow will take care of itself and you have no control over it. But you do control your choice this moment. Today. You can invoke change in your life this very second. By choosing to live life to its fullest, be daring, taking a risk, looking fear in the eye, and saying "I quit".
I have a fortune cookie paper taped to my work laptop it read... you may be disappointed if you fail, but you are doomed if you dont try. Stay quit my friend!!
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Is that you in your avatar? Were you in the Olympics or something?
If so, sweet!!!
If not.. quit on my man!!!
Haha, nope unfortunately. Last year I was rocking a semi-creepy 'stache and my friends pointed out that with it I bore resemblance to the Argentine gymnast who has become my avatar on many different social media sites.
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Is that you in your avatar? Were you in the Olympics or something?
If so, sweet!!!
If not.. quit on my man!!!
Haha, nope unfortunately. Last year I was rocking a semi-creepy 'stache and my friends pointed out that with it I bore resemblance to the Argentine gymnast who has become my avatar on many different social media sites.
Yeah. Its pretty creepy...
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Just wanted to give a post on how I'm doing.
Day 11 has come and I honestly feel great. My sleep patterns and digestive system are still off, but beyond that I really haven't experience any fog for 5 days (I know I just jinxed the crap out of myself). I'll have the occasional crave but they haven't been bad at all. I almost feel bad? I know a lot of the Sep group has had a tougher run at it than I have thus far. But things can change fast.
I've saved approximately $55 in the last 11 days!! Well, I should probably subtract some gum and Monster energy drinks from that total, but it is still a net gain of $35+.
What's amazed me the most is how little I miss chewing. Beyond the first 3 days and the occasional crave, I haven't missed stuffing my face. I will say that I've changed my routine a bit to avoid certain situations that would provoke a crave: I've limited the amount of time I spend going out to the farm since I quit, so instead of heading out there every night I've switched it to every other. I've also been intentional about working out and staying as busy as possible and also staying social (which helps distract me).
But I think about the poison I put into my body for all those years and just think "what the hell was I thinking??" I hated that crap. I hated always worrying about my supply, constantly going to the store, rotating stores because my habit was out of control and it was awkward looking the store clerk in the eye since I'd just been in there the day before buying two cans. I hated worrying about cancer all the time. I hated the fact that, by the end, I couldn't keep a dip in for more than 20-30 minutes, and then I'd throw it out and immediately have another. As I get deeper and deeper into my quit I want to remember how much I hate the stuff.
And I would contend that you all hate the dip too. You might not think so yet, but even you folks that are on day 1, you hate it. Otherwise you wouldn't be here starting your quit. Once you get away from the crap your head clears and it's easier to see how much you hate it. But even in the novice stages of our quits we hate it. Just think about how much time, energy, money, and attention you gave to a product, a habit, an addiction that STOLE from you, that ROBBED you, that HATED you, that was KILLING you. That is the definition of a dependent (and completely depraved) relationship.
I think about that and it makes me angry and breaks my heart at the same time. I felt so little about myself and was so weak that I allowed that crap to define who I was. I let it affect my professional, financial, and relational lives. What it said, I obeyed. I allowed it to put me in bondage, shackled down to a cold, stone floor. And it was all on me. In order to be free all I had to do was choose to quit. That was it!! I could have just said "I quit" and broken free from the captivity, left to define myself and live as God intended. For some sad reason it took me 12 years to realize that.
By the grace of God, I finally discovered this website and that the choice was all mine. I finally felt empowered to embark upon the path of quit to freedom. And today we all have the opportunity to taste freedom together. How amazing is that! We get to join together and decide, both collectively and individually, to re-claim our lives. To be free of a destructive relationship that was going to lead to our demise and was owning our lives along the way. So, I'm proud to be quit with you all today. Let's continue to experience freedom together and hold each other accountable along the way.
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Just wanted to give a post on how I'm doing.
Day 11 has come and I honestly feel great. My sleep patterns and digestive system are still off, but beyond that I really haven't experience any fog for 5 days (I know I just jinxed the crap out of myself). I'll have the occasional crave but they haven't been bad at all. I almost feel bad? I know a lot of the Sep group has had a tougher run at it than I have thus far. But things can change fast.
I've saved approximately $55 in the last 11 days!! Well, I should probably subtract some gum and Monster energy drinks from that total, but it is still a net gain of $35+.
What's amazed me the most is how little I miss chewing. Beyond the first 3 days and the occasional crave, I haven't missed stuffing my face. I will say that I've changed my routine a bit to avoid certain situations that would provoke a crave: I've limited the amount of time I spend going out to the farm since I quit, so instead of heading out there every night I've switched it to every other. I've also been intentional about working out and staying as busy as possible and also staying social (which helps distract me).
But I think about the poison I put into my body for all those years and just think "what the hell was I thinking??" I hated that crap. I hated always worrying about my supply, constantly going to the store, rotating stores because my habit was out of control and it was awkward looking the store clerk in the eye since I'd just been in there the day before buying two cans. I hated worrying about cancer all the time. I hated the fact that, by the end, I couldn't keep a dip in for more than 20-30 minutes, and then I'd throw it out and immediately have another. As I get deeper and deeper into my quit I want to remember how much I hate the stuff.
And I would contend that you all hate the dip too. You might not think so yet, but even you folks that are on day 1, you hate it. Otherwise you wouldn't be here starting your quit. Once you get away from the crap your head clears and it's easier to see how much you hate it. But even in the novice stages of our quits we hate it. Just think about how much time, energy, money, and attention you gave to a product, a habit, an addiction that STOLE from you, that ROBBED you, that HATED you, that was KILLING you. That is the definition of a dependent (and completely depraved) relationship.
I think about that and it makes me angry and breaks my heart at the same time. I felt so little about myself and was so weak that I allowed that crap to define who I was. I let it affect my professional, financial, and relational lives. What it said, I obeyed. I allowed it to put me in bondage, shackled down to a cold, stone floor. And it was all on me. In order to be free all I had to do was choose to quit. That was it!! I could have just said "I quit" and broken free from the captivity, left to define myself and live as God intended. For some sad reason it took me 12 years to realize that.
By the grace of God, I finally discovered this website and that the choice was all mine. I finally felt empowered to embark upon the path of quit to freedom. And today we all have the opportunity to taste freedom together. How amazing is that! We get to join together and decide, both collectively and individually, to re-claim our lives. To be free of a destructive relationship that was going to lead to our demise and was owning our lives along the way. So, I'm proud to be quit with you all today. Let's continue to experience freedom together and hold each other accountable along the way.
Good stuff. But beware, the fogs are coming. I know some folks are different, but generally, you'll hit some pretty serious fogs/funks, etc around 20-30 days, 60-80 days, 120 or so days and then sporadically after that.
Just know that if you start feeling that way, that it's expected.
Keep on doing what you've been doing and enjoy the successful quit:
- Post roll every day
- Keep in touch with your quit brothers
- Keep close to the site
Soon enough that number will grow and the funks will be a distant memory and few and far between.
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Alright bro, you were all over these intros a couple days ago. I also Don't see a role post. Not to mention you have logged in today. You alright.
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Alright bro, you were all over these intros a couple days ago. I also Don't see a role post. Not to mention you have logged in today. You alright.
For those concerned,, Jrizzle is fine and dandy. Got bumped and a little busy with work and all.
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Alright bro, you were all over these intros a couple days ago. I also Don't see a role post. Not to mention you have logged in today. You alright.
For those concerned,, Jrizzle is fine and dandy. Got bumped and a little busy with work and all.
Thought maybe he was floating giddy on cloud 9 because he met a new dame, like Dlee. :lol:
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Mr Rizzle, I hope you're doing well my brother! I hope to hear more from you on Kik, you're a funny mo fo and the wolf pack isn't the same without you.
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"We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive."
That may be one of the best things I have read in a long time!
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JRiz - thanks for the note :D
Glad you had a good trip.. I enjoyed the weekend and you are right it is liberating not to be worried about supply of dip spitters - honestly reduces the stress
Keep on keeping on brother
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It's been 10 days since I last posted, so it's probably time for an update:
Today marks my quit's 3 week birthday. Honestly it's hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I don't think about chew all that much anymore and it feels like it's been longer.
I can see how it'd be easy to drift away. Although I'm sure I've got some more fog/rough patches ahead, if in general it keeps getting easier then you could gradually become disengaged from this site and, from there, vulnerable. I know I'm still an addict. I know this because every so often out of nowhere I'll get a very clear picture of a can of chew against a black backdrop in my head, or I'll get a very clear image of myself stuffing my bottom lip. I know I'm still an addict because I read my introduction page and recall how I felt over those first 10 days. I know I'm still an addict because I read newbies' posts over the first 5 days of their quit and I recognize the fear and conflict they feel; it was the same fear and conflict I felt as I started my quit.
For anyone reading this who either isn't quit or is very early in their quit: come jump in the water. I used to be very afraid to quit. I couldn't imagine life without tobacco. You think you're addicted to chew? I was more. I LIVED to chew. I let tobacco make decisions for me. I would have borderline panic attacks if I was out on the farm or on a camping excursion and my supply got low.
And you know what happens once you give it up? You start getting your life back. I know this line is in my signature, but it's one that I keep thinking and I encourage everyone to think about: has tobacco been so kind to you that you should leave it with regret? There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind. It's true. Life without tobacco is grand. It's living life to the fullest, living it abundantly.
That doesn't change the fact that we're addicts. We all are. Every one of us. Every day is a battle, is a choice. But once you flip the switch, fight off the inertia, and start choosing to quit daily then it becomes natural. We all hate tobacco. If we didn't we wouldn't be on this site. It might be painful to admit we're addicts and to admit that we've been committed to something we hate for 5, 10, 20, 40+ years, but the person who recognizes they are on the wrong path and goes back is far better off than the person who stubbornly puts their head down and trudges further down a broken road.
So today I choose to live life abundantly. I choose to leave chew without regret and look forward to experiencing new, better things today dip free. I refuse to continue on the path of slavery and anguish and addiction and choose to be quit with you all.
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JR, Nice writing there, and very well said. I will say this, keep it close. You are going to run through 30 to 40 day funks. It has happened to most all of us. She knows, when you start to get confident, that is her way back in.
That one moment of "I've, got this" Is when she will use all of her power to turn you. My 30's were really funky.
You're showing to have a bad ass quit brewing, and I am quit with you.
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It's been 10 days since I last posted, so it's probably time for an update:
Today marks my quit's 3 week birthday. Honestly it's hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I don't think about chew all that much anymore and it feels like it's been longer.
I can see how it'd be easy to drift away. Although I'm sure I've got some more fog/rough patches ahead, if in general it keeps getting easier then you could gradually become disengaged from this site and, from there, vulnerable. I know I'm still an addict. I know this because every so often out of nowhere I'll get a very clear picture of a can of chew against a black backdrop in my head, or I'll get a very clear image of myself stuffing my bottom lip. I know I'm still an addict because I read my introduction page and recall how I felt over those first 10 days. I know I'm still an addict because I read newbies' posts over the first 5 days of their quit and I recognize the fear and conflict they feel; it was the same fear and conflict I felt as I started my quit.
For anyone reading this who either isn't quit or is very early in their quit: come jump in the water. I used to be very afraid to quit. I couldn't imagine life without tobacco. You think you're addicted to chew? I was more. I LIVED to chew. I let tobacco make decisions for me. I would have borderline panic attacks if I was out on the farm or on a camping excursion and my supply got low.
And you know what happens once you give it up? You start getting your life back. I know this line is in my signature, but it's one that I keep thinking and I encourage everyone to think about: has tobacco been so kind to you that you should leave it with regret? There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind. It's true. Life without tobacco is grand. It's living life to the fullest, living it abundantly.
That doesn't change the fact that we're addicts. We all are. Every one of us. Every day is a battle, is a choice. But once you flip the switch, fight off the inertia, and start choosing to quit daily then it becomes natural. We all hate tobacco. If we didn't we wouldn't be on this site. It might be painful to admit we're addicts and to admit that we've been committed to something we hate for 5, 10, 20, 40+ years, but the person who recognizes they are on the wrong path and goes back is far better off than the person who stubbornly puts their head down and trudges further down a broken road.
So today I choose to live life abundantly. I choose to leave chew without regret and look forward to experiencing new, better things today dip free. I refuse to continue on the path of slavery and anguish and addiction and choose to be quit with you all.
Damn Man! I said so as an aside on LHGs' intro after one of your trademark uplifting posts, but I will post it here for the record: you are one of my quit heroes, you are smart, insightfull, and most powerfully optimistic! I do not give you permission now or ever to cave! If you were to cave I would be deeply hurt, devestated even. You have no choice but to quit every day... I will quit with you every day.
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It's been 10 days since I last posted, so it's probably time for an update:
Today marks my quit's 3 week birthday. Honestly it's hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I don't think about chew all that much anymore and it feels like it's been longer.Â
I can see how it'd be easy to drift away. Although I'm sure I've got some more fog/rough patches ahead, if in general it keeps getting easier then you could gradually become disengaged from this site and, from there, vulnerable. I know I'm still an addict. I know this because every so often out of nowhere I'll get a very clear picture of a can of chew against a black backdrop in my head, or I'll get a very clear image of myself stuffing my bottom lip. I know I'm still an addict because I read my introduction page and recall how I felt over those first 10 days. I know I'm still an addict because I read newbies' posts over the first 5 days of their quit and I recognize the fear and conflict they feel; it was the same fear and conflict I felt as I started my quit.
For anyone reading this who either isn't quit or is very early in their quit: come jump in the water. I used to be very afraid to quit. I couldn't imagine life without tobacco. You think you're addicted to chew? I was more. I LIVED to chew. I let tobacco make decisions for me. I would have borderline panic attacks if I was out on the farm or on a camping excursion and my supply got low.
And you know what happens once you give it up? You start getting your life back. I know this line is in my signature, but it's one that I keep thinking and I encourage everyone to think about: has tobacco been so kind to you that you should leave it with regret? There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind. It's true. Life without tobacco is grand. It's living life to the fullest, living it abundantly.Â
That doesn't change the fact that we're addicts. We all are. Every one of us. Every day is a battle, is a choice. But once you flip the switch, fight off the inertia, and start choosing to quit daily then it becomes natural. We all hate tobacco. If we didn't we wouldn't be on this site. It might be painful to admit we're addicts and to admit that we've been committed to something we hate for 5, 10, 20, 40+ years, but the person who recognizes they are on the wrong path and goes back is far better off than the person who stubbornly puts their head down and trudges further down a broken road.Â
So today I choose to live life abundantly. I choose to leave chew without regret and look forward to experiencing new, better things today dip free. I refuse to continue on the path of slavery and anguish and addiction and choose to be quit with you all.
Damn Man! I said so as an aside on LHGs' intro after one of your trademark uplifting posts, but I will post it here for the record: you are one of my quit heroes, you are smart, insightfull, and most powerfully optimistic! I do not give you permission now or ever to cave! If you were to cave I would be deeply hurt, devestated even. You have no choice but to quit every day... I will quit with you every day.
Jriz - just dropping a quick "atta boy"
Keep up the good quit my man
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It's been 10 days since I last posted, so it's probably time for an update:
Today marks my quit's 3 week birthday. Honestly it's hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks. I don't think about chew all that much anymore and it feels like it's been longer.Â
I can see how it'd be easy to drift away. Although I'm sure I've got some more fog/rough patches ahead, if in general it keeps getting easier then you could gradually become disengaged from this site and, from there, vulnerable. I know I'm still an addict. I know this because every so often out of nowhere I'll get a very clear picture of a can of chew against a black backdrop in my head, or I'll get a very clear image of myself stuffing my bottom lip. I know I'm still an addict because I read my introduction page and recall how I felt over those first 10 days. I know I'm still an addict because I read newbies' posts over the first 5 days of their quit and I recognize the fear and conflict they feel; it was the same fear and conflict I felt as I started my quit.
For anyone reading this who either isn't quit or is very early in their quit: come jump in the water. I used to be very afraid to quit. I couldn't imagine life without tobacco. You think you're addicted to chew? I was more. I LIVED to chew. I let tobacco make decisions for me. I would have borderline panic attacks if I was out on the farm or on a camping excursion and my supply got low.
And you know what happens once you give it up? You start getting your life back. I know this line is in my signature, but it's one that I keep thinking and I encourage everyone to think about: has tobacco been so kind to you that you should leave it with regret? There are far better things ahead than any we leave behind. It's true. Life without tobacco is grand. It's living life to the fullest, living it abundantly.Â
That doesn't change the fact that we're addicts. We all are. Every one of us. Every day is a battle, is a choice. But once you flip the switch, fight off the inertia, and start choosing to quit daily then it becomes natural. We all hate tobacco. If we didn't we wouldn't be on this site. It might be painful to admit we're addicts and to admit that we've been committed to something we hate for 5, 10, 20, 40+ years, but the person who recognizes they are on the wrong path and goes back is far better off than the person who stubbornly puts their head down and trudges further down a broken road.Â
So today I choose to live life abundantly. I choose to leave chew without regret and look forward to experiencing new, better things today dip free. I refuse to continue on the path of slavery and anguish and addiction and choose to be quit with you all.
Damn Man! I said so as an aside on LHGs' intro after one of your trademark uplifting posts, but I will post it here for the record: you are one of my quit heroes, you are smart, insightfull, and most powerfully optimistic! I do not give you permission now or ever to cave! If you were to cave I would be deeply hurt, devestated even. You have no choice but to quit every day... I will quit with you every day.
Jriz - just dropping a quick "atta boy"
Keep up the good quit my man
Awesome job JRizzle...fo shizzle
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THanks for bringing JRizzle's remarks back up to the top to get a uplifting read for the evening!
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Just wanted to post this in your thread Bro so you can look back on it. Your a damn bad ass Mr. Jrizzle.
Next we change our heading over to Sioux Falls where we have to pick up a single man with no clones. Jrizzle started dipping cope and skoal strait at the age of 16 out on the farm.
He plans to drink Bourbon and go for a run to celebrate his accomplishment. He says he will be signing up for 200 "Oh Yea". This crazy quitter lived in Lived in Colombia for a short year, that's just nuts! If something should happen while on the train he wants us to contact God for him., if I read the book correctly, aren't you a little late at that point??? LMAO!! Immediately after this question he answered that buttsex is the inappropriate behavior he finds the most enjoyable, omg. He did add (JK),,,,, but......
We asked this bad ass if he had any words of wisdoms an this is what he spoke,
"It's worth it. I've been through some of the biggest ups and downs of my entire life this summer: my father's deteriorating health, the purchase of farmland, starting a new job, a broken relationship, etc. but being dip-free through it all has been constant and a remarkable experience" iiidamn that gives me goosebumps!!
He would like to send a shout out to Duathman, BillyBob, Jbob, Kandalk, Aaron, Srans, LionHeartedGirl, Jake
Jrizzle drives a pick up which is normal enough, but for a living he is in pharmaceutical and get this........farming. Now how in the hell do those go together? And as a hobby he claims to enjoy basketball and feeding cattle, wtf lol. And when asked his Favorite movie, movie quote, TV Show, sports teams.... He said "That's what she said" I am so confused brother. Your like an oxymoron in all areas of your life, but one thing I can say you don't have screwed up in your head is how to quit. You quit like a Boss and Jake and I are proud to welcome your bad ass on the train! Climb aboard and continue to add those +1s. I loved your roll post yesterday "Jrizzle -99- last day in double digits" enjoy that roll post today of 100! Erussell -139-
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Just wanted to post this in your thread Bro so you can look back on it. Your a damn bad ass Mr. Jrizzle.
Next we change our heading over to Sioux Falls where we have to pick up a single man with no clones. Jrizzle started dipping cope and skoal strait at the age of 16 out on the farm.
He plans to drink Bourbon and go for a run to celebrate his accomplishment. He says he will be signing up for 200 "Oh Yea". This crazy quitter lived in Lived in Colombia for a short year, that's just nuts! If something should happen while on the train he wants us to contact God for him., if I read the book correctly, aren't you a little late at that point??? LMAO!! Immediately after this question he answered that buttsex is the inappropriate behavior he finds the most enjoyable, omg. He did add (JK),,,,, but......
We asked this bad ass if he had any words of wisdoms an this is what he spoke,
"It's worth it. I've been through some of the biggest ups and downs of my entire life this summer: my father's deteriorating health, the purchase of farmland, starting a new job, a broken relationship, etc. but being dip-free through it all has been constant and a remarkable experience" iiidamn that gives me goosebumps!!
He would like to send a shout out to Duathman, BillyBob, Jbob, Kandalk, Aaron, Srans, LionHeartedGirl, Jake
Jrizzle drives a pick up which is normal enough, but for a living he is in pharmaceutical and get this........farming. Now how in the hell do those go together? And as a hobby he claims to enjoy basketball and feeding cattle, wtf lol. And when asked his Favorite movie, movie quote, TV Show, sports teams.... He said "That's what she said" I am so confused brother. Your like an oxymoron in all areas of your life, but one thing I can say you don't have screwed up in your head is how to quit. You quit like a Boss and Jake and I are proud to welcome your bad ass on the train! Climb aboard and continue to add those +1s. I loved your roll post yesterday "Jrizzle -99- last day in double digits" enjoy that roll post today of 100! Erussell -139-
Congratulations! This is a huge milestone in your journey, but is only the first of many! Keep up the great work, and enjoy and celebrate your freedom. I swear to you... 100 is just the beginning of the greatness!
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Just wanted to post this in your thread Bro so you can look back on it. Your a damn bad ass Mr. Jrizzle.
Next we change our heading over to Sioux Falls where we have to pick up a single man with no clones. Jrizzle started dipping cope and skoal strait at the age of 16 out on the farm.
He plans to drink Bourbon and go for a run to celebrate his accomplishment. He says he will be signing up for 200 "Oh Yea". This crazy quitter lived in Lived in Colombia for a short year, that's just nuts! If something should happen while on the train he wants us to contact God for him., if I read the book correctly, aren't you a little late at that point??? LMAO!! Immediately after this question he answered that buttsex is the inappropriate behavior he finds the most enjoyable, omg. He did add (JK),,,,, but......
We asked this bad ass if he had any words of wisdoms an this is what he spoke,
"It's worth it. I've been through some of the biggest ups and downs of my entire life this summer: my father's deteriorating health, the purchase of farmland, starting a new job, a broken relationship, etc. but being dip-free through it all has been constant and a remarkable experience" iiidamn that gives me goosebumps!!
He would like to send a shout out to Duathman, BillyBob, Jbob, Kandalk, Aaron, Srans, LionHeartedGirl, Jake
Jrizzle drives a pick up which is normal enough, but for a living he is in pharmaceutical and get this........farming. Now how in the hell do those go together? And as a hobby he claims to enjoy basketball and feeding cattle, wtf lol. And when asked his Favorite movie, movie quote, TV Show, sports teams.... He said "That's what she said" I am so confused brother. Your like an oxymoron in all areas of your life, but one thing I can say you don't have screwed up in your head is how to quit. You quit like a Boss and Jake and I are proud to welcome your bad ass on the train! Climb aboard and continue to add those +1s. I loved your roll post yesterday "Jrizzle -99- last day in double digits" enjoy that roll post today of 100! Erussell -139-
Congratulations! This is a huge milestone in your journey, but is only the first of many! Keep up the great work, and enjoy and celebrate your freedom. I swear to you... 100 is just the beginning of the greatness!
Excellent, proud of you bro.
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Just wanted to post this in your thread Bro so you can look back on it. Your a damn bad ass Mr. Jrizzle.
Next we change our heading over to Sioux Falls where we have to pick up a single man with no clones. Jrizzle started dipping cope and skoal strait at the age of 16 out on the farm.
He plans to drink Bourbon and go for a run to celebrate his accomplishment. He says he will be signing up for 200 "Oh Yea". This crazy quitter lived in Lived in Colombia for a short year, that's just nuts! If something should happen while on the train he wants us to contact God for him., if I read the book correctly, aren't you a little late at that point??? LMAO!! Immediately after this question he answered that buttsex is the inappropriate behavior he finds the most enjoyable, omg. He did add (JK),,,,, but......
We asked this bad ass if he had any words of wisdoms an this is what he spoke,
"It's worth it. I've been through some of the biggest ups and downs of my entire life this summer: my father's deteriorating health, the purchase of farmland, starting a new job, a broken relationship, etc. but being dip-free through it all has been constant and a remarkable experience" iiidamn that gives me goosebumps!!
He would like to send a shout out to Duathman, BillyBob, Jbob, Kandalk, Aaron, Srans, LionHeartedGirl, Jake
Jrizzle drives a pick up which is normal enough, but for a living he is in pharmaceutical and get this........farming. Now how in the hell do those go together? And as a hobby he claims to enjoy basketball and feeding cattle, wtf lol. And when asked his Favorite movie, movie quote, TV Show, sports teams.... He said "That's what she said" I am so confused brother. Your like an oxymoron in all areas of your life, but one thing I can say you don't have screwed up in your head is how to quit. You quit like a Boss and Jake and I are proud to welcome your bad ass on the train! Climb aboard and continue to add those +1s. I loved your roll post yesterday "Jrizzle -99- last day in double digits" enjoy that roll post today of 100! Erussell -139-
Congratulations! This is a huge milestone in your journey, but is only the first of many! Keep up the great work, and enjoy and celebrate your freedom. I swear to you... 100 is just the beginning of the greatness!
Excellent, proud of you bro.
Thanks for your help, JRizzle. Great job.
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Just wanted to post this in your thread Bro so you can look back on it. Your a damn bad ass Mr. Jrizzle.
Next we change our heading over to Sioux Falls where we have to pick up a single man with no clones. Jrizzle started dipping cope and skoal strait at the age of 16 out on the farm.
He plans to drink Bourbon and go for a run to celebrate his accomplishment. He says he will be signing up for 200 "Oh Yea". This crazy quitter lived in Lived in Colombia for a short year, that's just nuts! If something should happen while on the train he wants us to contact God for him., if I read the book correctly, aren't you a little late at that point??? LMAO!! Immediately after this question he answered that buttsex is the inappropriate behavior he finds the most enjoyable, omg. He did add (JK),,,,, but......
We asked this bad ass if he had any words of wisdoms an this is what he spoke,
"It's worth it. I've been through some of the biggest ups and downs of my entire life this summer: my father's deteriorating health, the purchase of farmland, starting a new job, a broken relationship, etc. but being dip-free through it all has been constant and a remarkable experience" iiidamn that gives me goosebumps!!
He would like to send a shout out to Duathman, BillyBob, Jbob, Kandalk, Aaron, Srans, LionHeartedGirl, Jake
Jrizzle drives a pick up which is normal enough, but for a living he is in pharmaceutical and get this........farming. Now how in the hell do those go together? And as a hobby he claims to enjoy basketball and feeding cattle, wtf lol. And when asked his Favorite movie, movie quote, TV Show, sports teams.... He said "That's what she said" I am so confused brother. Your like an oxymoron in all areas of your life, but one thing I can say you don't have screwed up in your head is how to quit. You quit like a Boss and Jake and I are proud to welcome your bad ass on the train! Climb aboard and continue to add those +1s. I loved your roll post yesterday "Jrizzle -99- last day in double digits" enjoy that roll post today of 100! Erussell -139-
Congratulations! This is a huge milestone in your journey, but is only the first of many! Keep up the great work, and enjoy and celebrate your freedom. I swear to you... 100 is just the beginning of the greatness!
Excellent, proud of you bro.
Thanks for your help, JRizzle. Great job.
You came here to quit. No doubt about it. You are one bad ass quitter bro! Congrates on a great start.
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Congrats on 100 days!
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Congrats on 100 (and 2)! You're one dedicated son of a bitch. Keep it up.
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Thank you all for your support, and my apologies for taking this long for acknowledging your support in this thread. You have all been such blessings in my life, as has this site, and I continually thank God for the opportunity to be sharpened by other iron, so to speak.
Mid-summer my participation on this website became limited to posting roll. There are a few reasons for this. First, I got a great new job that is awesome, but it demands a large portion of my time. I'm in front of customers a lot now instead of computers, and the limited computer time I have is generally spent completing office-related tasks necessary for my customers.
Second, my dad's health has continued to deteriorate throughout the summer, and what free time I have becomes more and more devoted to farm-related activities and trying to enjoy what time we have left together.
Finally, a sibling of mine is going through severe marital trouble, and this has required my involvement.
I can't help but get sentimental at times, and this website can definitely be a catalyst in that direction. 100+ days ago seems like eons. I remember being scared out of my mind when I started to quit. My world was changing, and my dad's health and the new job added to that change. For almost 6 weeks I didn't know what to do with myself, looking back on it, and even though I wasn't always craving a dip I recognized that a significant part of my life had ceased to be. It was liberating, exhilarating, stressful, and formative.
(For any newbies reading this post, I encourage you to work out, diet, etc. etc. during your initial days/weeks of quit, because as your neural system rewires itself you will unknowingly go through changes both physical and mental that will start to form the foundation of your post-quit self. Personally, I have definitely noticed a change in my metabolism since quitting. Unquestionably worth it.)
It can become easy to forget just how addicted I was to chew. Every now and then I remember it, and I still have the occasional dip dream or crave, but it's amazing that something that I, for 12 years, perceived to be a vital part of my day-to-day activities, that thought was absolutely necessary for my functionality and even survival, could be such a trivial thing. Maybe "trivial" is the wrong word. It cost me tens of thousands of dollars, put me at a significantly higher risk for cancer and other diseases, and in general dictated a lot of my "distracted" actions. But it was trivial in the sense that it was completely unnecessary and, once forgone, didn't seem near as powerful or demonizing as I once thought it was.
I'm still an addict. I always will be. Those words sucked when I first recognized them 3 years ago and first tried to quit. At the beginning of my quit they kinda sucked too. But one of the greatest things has happened to me: I'm honest with myself. Ultimately I think I started to self-evaluate and admit my addiction about two years ago, which was a vital prequel to my eventual cessation, but once you actually go through the quit process you become able to really speak truthfully to yourself and others. You've recognized the enemy (yourself) and you've overcome them.
My addictive nature will remain my enemy for the rest of my life. You can't go through something like 12 years of addiction and expect it to not have an impact on the rest of your life. But the impact isn't necessarily negative. Given the choice again, I probably would have chosen not to ever start chewing. But through the quit process I've learned a lot about myself. I've also learned a lot about others and learned to embrace people where they are rather than constantly judge them. I've learned about my strengths and also my limitations and learned about how much I'm capable of. And I've gotten to meet some great people through this process.
100 days is just the start. And it will be a journey best taken one day at a time. But along the journey it's important to have moments of reflection and clarity. So I encourage all you quitters out there, whether newbies or seasoned vets. Remember that it's never worth it. I was as addicted as anyone on this site. Chewing tobacco OWNED my life. And over these last 100+ days I've had as many reasons to cave as any. I switched to a job that consists largely of a big trigger of mine (driving) and have had serious change in my life in my career as well as stress with family issues, the purchase of farm land, sibling issues, etc. It would have been very justifiable, in an addict's mind, to revert to an old familiar "habit" in these circumstances. But going through them dip-free was much more liberating, much more formative, much better. I experienced the events for what they were and at face value rather than self-medicating with dip. When I cried with my dad over disappointing test results, I didn't have to think about throwing out a salty dip. When I had the thrill of meeting a new customer, I didn't have to excuse myself to the bathroom to throw in a dip after dinner. When I saw a beautiful Midwest sunset I didn't have to hurry up to the next town to get a can of chew before the gas station closed.
In short, in the last 100+ days I've discovered chewing tobacco never treated me so well that I should regret leaving it behind. I encourage us all to have an appropriate amount of hatred for addiction and all the harm that it causes and for the rest of our hearts to be filled with the hope and satisfaction that exists when we no longer use addiction to fulfill whatever fundamental yearnings we have. There are far, far greater, beautiful, awesome things ahead of us than the broken, twisted, depraved path we leave behind.
That's enough of my novel. Thank you to all on this site for the encouragement and accountability.
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Now that was one hell of a quit post. Congrats on hitting the Hall and thank you for posting your story and sharing your quit with us. You had a lot of things happen to you over the past 100 days but you kept your word. No tobacco. Well done bro. Well done.
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Always good stuff on your intro JRizzle, and this was awesome stuff. You pay it forward and back all the time. Congrates on 100+ of freedom, and I am glad to be quit with you EDD.
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Thanks for the post brother! Congrats on your milestone. You are a quitting machine and I am proud to be quit with you today.
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Thank you all for your support, and my apologies for taking this long for acknowledging your support in this thread. You have all been such blessings in my life, as has this site, and I continually thank God for the opportunity to be sharpened by other iron, so to speak.
Mid-summer my participation on this website became limited to posting roll. There are a few reasons for this. First, I got a great new job that is awesome, but it demands a large portion of my time. I'm in front of customers a lot now instead of computers, and the limited computer time I have is generally spent completing office-related tasks necessary for my customers.
Second, my dad's health has continued to deteriorate throughout the summer, and what free time I have becomes more and more devoted to farm-related activities and trying to enjoy what time we have left together.
Finally, a sibling of mine is going through severe marital trouble, and this has required my involvement.
I can't help but get sentimental at times, and this website can definitely be a catalyst in that direction. 100+ days ago seems like eons. I remember being scared out of my mind when I started to quit. My world was changing, and my dad's health and the new job added to that change. For almost 6 weeks I didn't know what to do with myself, looking back on it, and even though I wasn't always craving a dip I recognized that a significant part of my life had ceased to be. It was liberating, exhilarating, stressful, and formative.
(For any newbies reading this post, I encourage you to work out, diet, etc. etc. during your initial days/weeks of quit, because as your neural system rewires itself you will unknowingly go through changes both physical and mental that will start to form the foundation of your post-quit self. Personally, I have definitely noticed a change in my metabolism since quitting. Unquestionably worth it.)
It can become easy to forget just how addicted I was to chew. Every now and then I remember it, and I still have the occasional dip dream or crave, but it's amazing that something that I, for 12 years, perceived to be a vital part of my day-to-day activities, that thought was absolutely necessary for my functionality and even survival, could be such a trivial thing. Maybe "trivial" is the wrong word. It cost me tens of thousands of dollars, put me at a significantly higher risk for cancer and other diseases, and in general dictated a lot of my "distracted" actions. But it was trivial in the sense that it was completely unnecessary and, once forgone, didn't seem near as powerful or demonizing as I once thought it was.
I'm still an addict. I always will be. Those words sucked when I first recognized them 3 years ago and first tried to quit. At the beginning of my quit they kinda sucked too. But one of the greatest things has happened to me: I'm honest with myself. Ultimately I think I started to self-evaluate and admit my addiction about two years ago, which was a vital prequel to my eventual cessation, but once you actually go through the quit process you become able to really speak truthfully to yourself and others. You've recognized the enemy (yourself) and you've overcome them.
My addictive nature will remain my enemy for the rest of my life. You can't go through something like 12 years of addiction and expect it to not have an impact on the rest of your life. But the impact isn't necessarily negative. Given the choice again, I probably would have chosen not to ever start chewing. But through the quit process I've learned a lot about myself. I've also learned a lot about others and learned to embrace people where they are rather than constantly judge them. I've learned about my strengths and also my limitations and learned about how much I'm capable of. And I've gotten to meet some great people through this process.
100 days is just the start. And it will be a journey best taken one day at a time. But along the journey it's important to have moments of reflection and clarity. So I encourage all you quitters out there, whether newbies or seasoned vets. Remember that it's never worth it. I was as addicted as anyone on this site. Chewing tobacco OWNED my life. And over these last 100+ days I've had as many reasons to cave as any. I switched to a job that consists largely of a big trigger of mine (driving) and have had serious change in my life in my career as well as stress with family issues, the purchase of farm land, sibling issues, etc. It would have been very justifiable, in an addict's mind, to revert to an old familiar "habit" in these circumstances. But going through them dip-free was much more liberating, much more formative, much better. I experienced the events for what they were and at face value rather than self-medicating with dip. When I cried with my dad over disappointing test results, I didn't have to think about throwing out a salty dip. When I had the thrill of meeting a new customer, I didn't have to excuse myself to the bathroom to throw in a dip after dinner. When I saw a beautiful Midwest sunset I didn't have to hurry up to the next town to get a can of chew before the gas station closed.
In short, in the last 100+ days I've discovered chewing tobacco never treated me so well that I should regret leaving it behind. I encourage us all to have an appropriate amount of hatred for addiction and all the harm that it causes and for the rest of our hearts to be filled with the hope and satisfaction that exists when we no longer use addiction to fulfill whatever fundamental yearnings we have. There are far, far greater, beautiful, awesome things ahead of us than the broken, twisted, depraved path we leave behind.
That's enough of my novel. Thank you to all on this site for the encouragement and accountability.
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That was awesome, introspective and a must read for newbies. Think that one should go to the HOF.
Proud of you JRiz - continued success with your quit, new job.
Will keep your Dad and sibling in my prayers
God Bless
Flynnie
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
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Jesse i know how it feels to be 180+ days quit and the idea and monotony of KTC is getting old. Myself and many others have learned that no matter what you still have to do some sort of daily accountability to others
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Have a glass of lemonade Razd, I have been thinking the same thing lately....
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Raz, do you know how many times I tried to quit before I joined KTC? Do you know if I found accountability and failed before, or whether I've found accountability now? Have you and I EVER interacted on this site before? If we haven't, do you think it's appropriate to assume something about the way I was or the way I am?
In your defense, I orginally put this post on the Sep site and not on the intro page because I wanted to explain to the September Slutes the "why" behind missing post 2 days in a row and the "why" I thought that not posting would be more fair to my quit group. Someone else put it here, so it's not like you went to the Sep quit page and started making assumptions about me.
You have the right, I guess, to make comments on my intro page, but I have the right to retort. My quit is something that is very intimate to me, very important, and that's true both when I'm at this site and away from this site. I know that many of my peers in the Sep group take it personally when there is variation in someone's roll posts, and as a Six Sigma student I understand that concern. However, I also understand that accountability can come from multiple avenues; it's not limited to just a website. I am not on my computer all that often and sometimes go a day or two without getting on, especially during weekends on the farm. If I have a busy Monday hitting the road after a weekend feeding cattle (like I've had the last two weekends and last two Mondays) then often won't get on a computer at all, and when I do I flat-out forget to post roll because I have other email work to catch up on. I do spend time with the local accountability people in my life.
Like I said to the Sep group, I recognize that these are excuses, and I didn't want to be unreliable to them, especially because I knew them better than you know me and knew that the inconsistency would frustrate them. Which is why I suggested that I not post roll in the Sep group. Nobody really argued with that except for one fellow Slute; to be honest, the majority of the responses that I got were about what I got from you. On some level this is a little bit disheartening: here I was, esentially apologizing for missing two days' worth of roll and suggesting that I not post in Sep while simultaneously sharing the fact that I'd found fellow quitters locally, and what I got was a lot of disbelief, some degree of animosity, and a couple "tough guys" who didn't really know me but had no problem making claims about my actions without engaging me on a personal level at any point.
I'm all about the peer pressure. I'm all about the high level of accountability. This website started my quit, helped my quit grow, and I will never quit this website. I will always thank the Duathmans, Dougies, and Derks and will always respect their opinion. But when people start calling out a HOFer without ever talking to them, without listening to what they're saying and just start giving canned responses, there needs to be some self-reflection.
So, in short RazD, I don't know what you mean when you say "we all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC" because I don't know who you refer to when you say "we" and I don't think you know any details about my life, either pre-KTC or post-KTC.
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Raz, do you know how many times I tried to quit before I joined KTC? Do you know if I found accountability and failed before, or whether I've found accountability now? Have you and I EVER interacted on this site before? If we haven't, do you think it's appropriate to assume something about the way I was or the way I am?
In your defense, I orginally put this post on the Sep site and not on the intro page because I wanted to explain to the September Slutes the "why" behind missing post 2 days in a row and the "why" I thought that not posting would be more fair to my quit group. Someone else put it here, so it's not like you went to the Sep quit page and started making assumptions about me.
You have the right, I guess, to make comments on my intro page, but I have the right to retort. My quit is something that is very intimate to me, very important, and that's true both when I'm at this site and away from this site. I know that many of my peers in the Sep group take it personally when there is variation in someone's roll posts, and as a Six Sigma student I understand that concern. However, I also understand that accountability can come from multiple avenues; it's not limited to just a website. I am not on my computer all that often and sometimes go a day or two without getting on, especially during weekends on the farm. If I have a busy Monday hitting the road after a weekend feeding cattle (like I've had the last two weekends and last two Mondays) then often won't get on a computer at all, and when I do I flat-out forget to post roll because I have other email work to catch up on. I do spend time with the local accountability people in my life.
Like I said to the Sep group, I recognize that these are excuses, and I didn't want to be unreliable to them, especially because I knew them better than you know me and knew that the inconsistency would frustrate them. Which is why I suggested that I not post roll in the Sep group. Nobody really argued with that except for one fellow Slute; to be honest, the majority of the responses that I got were about what I got from you. On some level this is a little bit disheartening: here I was, esentially apologizing for missing two days' worth of roll and suggesting that I not post in Sep while simultaneously sharing the fact that I'd found fellow quitters locally, and what I got was a lot of disbelief, some degree of animosity, and a couple "tough guys" who didn't really know me but had no problem making claims about my actions without engaging me on a personal level at any point.
I'm all about the peer pressure. I'm all about the high level of accountability. This website started my quit, helped my quit grow, and I will never quit this website. I will always thank the Duathmans, Dougies, and Derks and will always respect their opinion. But when people start calling out a HOFer without ever talking to them, without listening to what they're saying and just start giving canned responses, there needs to be some self-reflection.
So, in short RazD, I don't know what you mean when you say "we all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC" because I don't know who you refer to when you say "we" and I don't think you know any details about my life, either pre-KTC or post-KTC.
It was around 160 days that I started thinking that I don't need to post. I started missing days, stopped talking with people. Maybe you are better then me, but I caution you...... its a slippery slope. Even at 1000 days I think most of us need to post roll. Even if its only for a 30 second reminder of what we fight for. I like you have tried to quit hundreds of times. Ktc is the only way I have found to be committed. When I start to think I can do it on my own, I fail! I've proven that. I'd rather see you miss a few days and still post then not post at all. Think about it. I can't preach, but this sounds like things I have said to myself. And then failed.
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Raz, do you know how many times I tried to quit before I joined KTC? Do you know if I found accountability and failed before, or whether I've found accountability now? Have you and I EVER interacted on this site before? If we haven't, do you think it's appropriate to assume something about the way I was or the way I am?
In your defense, I orginally put this post on the Sep site and not on the intro page because I wanted to explain to the September Slutes the "why" behind missing post 2 days in a row and the "why" I thought that not posting would be more fair to my quit group. Someone else put it here, so it's not like you went to the Sep quit page and started making assumptions about me.
You have the right, I guess, to make comments on my intro page, but I have the right to retort. My quit is something that is very intimate to me, very important, and that's true both when I'm at this site and away from this site. I know that many of my peers in the Sep group take it personally when there is variation in someone's roll posts, and as a Six Sigma student I understand that concern. However, I also understand that accountability can come from multiple avenues; it's not limited to just a website. I am not on my computer all that often and sometimes go a day or two without getting on, especially during weekends on the farm. If I have a busy Monday hitting the road after a weekend feeding cattle (like I've had the last two weekends and last two Mondays) then often won't get on a computer at all, and when I do I flat-out forget to post roll because I have other email work to catch up on. I do spend time with the local accountability people in my life.
Like I said to the Sep group, I recognize that these are excuses, and I didn't want to be unreliable to them, especially because I knew them better than you know me and knew that the inconsistency would frustrate them. Which is why I suggested that I not post roll in the Sep group. Nobody really argued with that except for one fellow Slute; to be honest, the majority of the responses that I got were about what I got from you. On some level this is a little bit disheartening: here I was, esentially apologizing for missing two days' worth of roll and suggesting that I not post in Sep while simultaneously sharing the fact that I'd found fellow quitters locally, and what I got was a lot of disbelief, some degree of animosity, and a couple "tough guys" who didn't really know me but had no problem making claims about my actions without engaging me on a personal level at any point.
I'm all about the peer pressure. I'm all about the high level of accountability. This website started my quit, helped my quit grow, and I will never quit this website. I will always thank the Duathmans, Dougies, and Derks and will always respect their opinion. But when people start calling out a HOFer without ever talking to them, without listening to what they're saying and just start giving canned responses, there needs to be some self-reflection.
So, in short RazD, I don't know what you mean when you say "we all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC" because I don't know who you refer to when you say "we" and I don't think you know any details about my life, either pre-KTC or post-KTC.
It was around 160 days that I started thinking that I don't need to post. I started missing days, stopped talking with people. Maybe you are better then me, but I caution you...... its a slippery slope. Even at 1000 days I think most of us need to post roll. Even if its only for a 30 second reminder of what we fight for. I like you have tried to quit hundreds of times. Ktc is the only way I have found to be committed. When I start to think I can do it on my own, I fail! I've proven that. I'd rather see you miss a few days and still post then not post at all. Think about it. I can't preach, but this sounds like things I have said to myself. And then failed.
Hey Drizzle, we have not spoken on the site. But I followed your early quit and am sorry to see you go. I am glad that you have some guys that you trust, and accountability beyond the site, etc, etc, etc, BUT.................................you stock definitely went down a bit today. I do not think you have improved your chances of STAYING quit by coming to this conclusion, if fact the opposite is likely true.
Razd wrote about 30-40 words on your thread, it appears that he struck a nerve. So much so that you felt compelled to write a book back in response. That tells me that you know he is probably onto something. The guy has watched more than a few quitters walk the halls of KTC since 2009. I would pay a little head if I were you. There is my 2 cents, even though you didn't ask. Best of luck man.
Ryan
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Raz, do you know how many times I tried to quit before I joined KTC? Do you know if I found accountability and failed before, or whether I've found accountability now? Have you and I EVER interacted on this site before? If we haven't, do you think it's appropriate to assume something about the way I was or the way I am?
In your defense, I orginally put this post on the Sep site and not on the intro page because I wanted to explain to the September Slutes the "why" behind missing post 2 days in a row and the "why" I thought that not posting would be more fair to my quit group. Someone else put it here, so it's not like you went to the Sep quit page and started making assumptions about me.
You have the right, I guess, to make comments on my intro page, but I have the right to retort. My quit is something that is very intimate to me, very important, and that's true both when I'm at this site and away from this site. I know that many of my peers in the Sep group take it personally when there is variation in someone's roll posts, and as a Six Sigma student I understand that concern. However, I also understand that accountability can come from multiple avenues; it's not limited to just a website. I am not on my computer all that often and sometimes go a day or two without getting on, especially during weekends on the farm. If I have a busy Monday hitting the road after a weekend feeding cattle (like I've had the last two weekends and last two Mondays) then often won't get on a computer at all, and when I do I flat-out forget to post roll because I have other email work to catch up on. I do spend time with the local accountability people in my life.
Like I said to the Sep group, I recognize that these are excuses, and I didn't want to be unreliable to them, especially because I knew them better than you know me and knew that the inconsistency would frustrate them. Which is why I suggested that I not post roll in the Sep group. Nobody really argued with that except for one fellow Slute; to be honest, the majority of the responses that I got were about what I got from you. On some level this is a little bit disheartening: here I was, esentially apologizing for missing two days' worth of roll and suggesting that I not post in Sep while simultaneously sharing the fact that I'd found fellow quitters locally, and what I got was a lot of disbelief, some degree of animosity, and a couple "tough guys" who didn't really know me but had no problem making claims about my actions without engaging me on a personal level at any point.
I'm all about the peer pressure. I'm all about the high level of accountability. This website started my quit, helped my quit grow, and I will never quit this website. I will always thank the Duathmans, Dougies, and Derks and will always respect their opinion. But when people start calling out a HOFer without ever talking to them, without listening to what they're saying and just start giving canned responses, there needs to be some self-reflection.
So, in short RazD, I don't know what you mean when you say "we all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC" because I don't know who you refer to when you say "we" and I don't think you know any details about my life, either pre-KTC or post-KTC.
It was around 160 days that I started thinking that I don't need to post. I started missing days, stopped talking with people. Maybe you are better then me, but I caution you...... its a slippery slope. Even at 1000 days I think most of us need to post roll. Even if its only for a 30 second reminder of what we fight for. I like you have tried to quit hundreds of times. Ktc is the only way I have found to be committed. When I start to think I can do it on my own, I fail! I've proven that. I'd rather see you miss a few days and still post then not post at all. Think about it. I can't preach, but this sounds like things I have said to myself. And then failed.
Hey Drizzle, we have not spoken on the site. But I followed your early quit and am sorry to see you go. I am glad that you have some guys that you trust, and accountability beyond the site, etc, etc, etc, BUT.................................you stock definitely went down a bit today. I do not think you have improved your chances of STAYING quit by coming to this conclusion, if fact the opposite is likely true.
Razd wrote about 30-40 words on your thread, it appears that he struck a nerve. So much so that you felt compelled to write a book back in response. That tells me that you know he is probably onto something. The guy has watched more than a few quitters walk the halls of KTC since 2009. I would pay a little head if I were you. There is my 2 cents, even though you didn't ask. Best of luck man.
Ryan
Do you use the internet daily? If so, then you have the 2 minutes or less to login and post roll.
It takes very little time out of a busy day to do. I find the "I'm too busy" excuse to be particularly weak.
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Posting this from the September 13 Page... I bumped Duathman's reply so they are both copied in here- might look a bit confusing!
Good Afternoon Slutes,
I realize that I haven't posted since Saturday afternoon and I also realize that up to that point my posting had become more and more erratic. I haven't caved. I just have continued to be very busy between my job, the farm, and my dad's health.Â
This isn't an excuse. Perhaps it suffices to say that posting roll has not been a priority for me. I still have occasional craves and am constantly reminded that I'm an addict. I also recognize that not posting roll going forward could put me at higher risk for relapse. But I want to be fair to you all. Your comraderie has allowed me to quit and stay quit; your accountability has meant the world to me. If you feel strongly about this, please contact me directly. But I don't think that it's fair to you all for me to post inconsistently.Â
Some of you may call me out and call me a "wimp" or a "pussy" or "non-committal". But I've proven over the last few weeks that I either cannot or will not post consistently, and if that's the case then I think it's better that I not post at all rather than having me post in a random and infrequent manner. And so you know, I have several other committments. I am able to have accountability at a local level with someone who is in a Bible study that I lead, so I'm not going about this alone, and having a "shared experience" with him will be more time efficient for me.
I want to thank you all for all that you've done and I would love to stay in contact with you if you so desire. Feel free to message me for personal contact information. If you want to vent or give push-back, feel free to do so; I will still visit the site. But I don't want to be inconsistent in my commitment to all of you, which is why I think that it would be better for me to not post at all.
Duathman-
Jesse I hope you understand the risk you are taking. Just today I went back and reread what Jake (you do know he caved?) Frawley wrote up about me when he introduced me to the HOF train. One thing stuck out about that intro, "Always remember why you are here and that is because your way of quitting sucked and needed this site." This site brings more accountability and brotherhood than I could ever get from even my wife. See other people have no idea of what we struggle with on a daily basis.
That is why we feel that EDD means so much to us. We understand that we can never forget what our common interest is and we will support each other any and everyway we can. I never think its OK for someone to leave the site, but I really don't care that much when they do.
See I am a caver and right around this time in my "stop" around 180 days last time I caved. I say around 180 days because I quit posting. Back on day 1 again after I decided I never needed this site.
I can be reached anytime you have my digits. Please reach out if you need anything and I pray for you and your family with your dad's health.
NAFAR
Dougie-
Well. I hope I dont see you in a few weeks/months/years posting another day 1... I say weeks, months, and years because I plan on keeping KTC part of my daily ritual. It worked for me day 3 - now, therefore I have to assume that it will keep working for me for years to come.
I am not willing to risk my life to save a couple of minutes each day. Posting roll is the easiest, cheapest, and safest insurance a quitter can get.
Good Luck.
When you were dipping did you have time in your busy schedule to buy a can?
You were very active in KTC and I think I might understand what happened... If you can't be "all in" you feel guilty. Look, if all you can do for a season is put your name and number on one board, that's okay. One day you might get more active again. That little act is okay for a season if that's all you can do.
You can do that. Don't turn your back on your quit. No one will keep you accountable like we will. You know that.
We all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC.
Sheesh. Another one....
Razd turns and walks back to his rocker on his porch shaking his head in disgust thinking, will they ever learn.................
Raz, do you know how many times I tried to quit before I joined KTC? Do you know if I found accountability and failed before, or whether I've found accountability now? Have you and I EVER interacted on this site before? If we haven't, do you think it's appropriate to assume something about the way I was or the way I am?
In your defense, I orginally put this post on the Sep site and not on the intro page because I wanted to explain to the September Slutes the "why" behind missing post 2 days in a row and the "why" I thought that not posting would be more fair to my quit group. Someone else put it here, so it's not like you went to the Sep quit page and started making assumptions about me.
You have the right, I guess, to make comments on my intro page, but I have the right to retort. My quit is something that is very intimate to me, very important, and that's true both when I'm at this site and away from this site. I know that many of my peers in the Sep group take it personally when there is variation in someone's roll posts, and as a Six Sigma student I understand that concern. However, I also understand that accountability can come from multiple avenues; it's not limited to just a website. I am not on my computer all that often and sometimes go a day or two without getting on, especially during weekends on the farm. If I have a busy Monday hitting the road after a weekend feeding cattle (like I've had the last two weekends and last two Mondays) then often won't get on a computer at all, and when I do I flat-out forget to post roll because I have other email work to catch up on. I do spend time with the local accountability people in my life.
Like I said to the Sep group, I recognize that these are excuses, and I didn't want to be unreliable to them, especially because I knew them better than you know me and knew that the inconsistency would frustrate them. Which is why I suggested that I not post roll in the Sep group. Nobody really argued with that except for one fellow Slute; to be honest, the majority of the responses that I got were about what I got from you. On some level this is a little bit disheartening: here I was, esentially apologizing for missing two days' worth of roll and suggesting that I not post in Sep while simultaneously sharing the fact that I'd found fellow quitters locally, and what I got was a lot of disbelief, some degree of animosity, and a couple "tough guys" who didn't really know me but had no problem making claims about my actions without engaging me on a personal level at any point.
I'm all about the peer pressure. I'm all about the high level of accountability. This website started my quit, helped my quit grow, and I will never quit this website. I will always thank the Duathmans, Dougies, and Derks and will always respect their opinion. But when people start calling out a HOFer without ever talking to them, without listening to what they're saying and just start giving canned responses, there needs to be some self-reflection.
So, in short RazD, I don't know what you mean when you say "we all know how well you kept yourself accountable before you found KTC" because I don't know who you refer to when you say "we" and I don't think you know any details about my life, either pre-KTC or post-KTC.
It was around 160 days that I started thinking that I don't need to post. I started missing days, stopped talking with people. Maybe you are better then me, but I caution you...... its a slippery slope. Even at 1000 days I think most of us need to post roll. Even if its only for a 30 second reminder of what we fight for. I like you have tried to quit hundreds of times. Ktc is the only way I have found to be committed. When I start to think I can do it on my own, I fail! I've proven that. I'd rather see you miss a few days and still post then not post at all. Think about it. I can't preach, but this sounds like things I have said to myself. And then failed.
Hey Drizzle, we have not spoken on the site. But I followed your early quit and am sorry to see you go. I am glad that you have some guys that you trust, and accountability beyond the site, etc, etc, etc, BUT.................................you stock definitely went down a bit today. I do not think you have improved your chances of STAYING quit by coming to this conclusion, if fact the opposite is likely true.
Razd wrote about 30-40 words on your thread, it appears that he struck a nerve. So much so that you felt compelled to write a book back in response. That tells me that you know he is probably onto something. The guy has watched more than a few quitters walk the halls of KTC since 2009. I would pay a little head if I were you. There is my 2 cents, even though you didn't ask. Best of luck man.
Ryan
Do you use the internet daily? If so, then you have the 2 minutes or less to login and post roll.
It takes very little time out of a busy day to do. I find the "I'm too busy" excuse to be particularly weak.
'B.S.'
Lots of us are busier than you. Lots of us are not as busy as you.
Who did all of your farm work when you posted roll consectively? ummmm
Have you forgotten that you are a Nicotine Addict?
Jesus loves us all, but we humans are the addicts.
No miracles for this brother, just post roll, keep your word, wake and repeat.