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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2017, 10:29:00 AM »
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'party' CONGRATULATIONS 'party' on a FULL YEAR without nicotine!!!! Proud to be quit with you!!!

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Congratulations sir!
Way to go swishnomo, congratulations on your 1st year nic free!
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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #66 on: July 06, 2017, 10:31:00 PM »
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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2017, 09:44:00 AM »
'party' CONGRATULATIONS 'party' on a FULL YEAR without nicotine!!!! Proud to be quit with you!!!

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Just one and you will be back to where you started, and where you started was desperately wishing you were where you are now.
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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2017, 09:54:00 AM »
Proposed FDA rule worries Kentucky tobacco growers


By JORDAN STRICKLER

Kentucky Correspondent
LEXINGTON, Ky. — The attempts of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to limit N-nitrosonornicotine (NNN) in smokeless tobacco products is causing concern to the tobacco industry.
NNN, a class of carcinogens known as tobacco-specified nitrosamines, is labeled as a harmful or potentially harmful constituent in tobacco products by the FDA. Proposed guidelines would limit the levels of NNN to 1 microgram per gram, or one part per million (ppm) at any point through the productÂ’s labeled expiration date.
This would be especially harmful to those growers who raise dark fire-cured tobacco, the primary type used for smokeless tobacco in the United States, as that crop tends to have more NNN by way of the crop itself and the way in which it is processed.
With most smokeless tobacco products containing NNN of between 1.5-5 ppm, and with the majority of products around 3 ppm or higher, the proposed limit of 1 ppm is concerning especially producers in Kentucky,
where 90 percent of the tobacco grown is dark fire-cured. The state led the nation in production of dark fire-cured and dark air-cured tobacco in 2015, at 31.7 million and 13.75 million pounds, respectively.
According to the USDA, dark tobacco production in the U.S. totals approximately 24,000 acres, with a cash value of $173 million per year

Originally, the FDA planned to accept public comments on the proposed standard until April 10; however, that was extended for an additional 90 days, to July 10, to allow more time to compile comments from the public.
“Hopefully this legislation doesn’t pass, because this will have an immediate effect on growers,” said University of Kentucky dark tobacco extension specialist Andy Bailey. “As it stands, it would have an enormous effect on dark-cured tobacco.” Changes in NNN can be caused by a number of different factors and they can vary significantly from year to year. Although tobacco plants produce a small amount of NNN, a wide variety of factors can affect the final levels of NNN found in finished tobacco products.

These factors, which can either increase or decrease NNN levels, include the tobacco type, growing conditions (e.g. geographic region, climate, rainfall), curing techniques (e.g. fire, flue, air, sun), production processes and storage conditions.
“We’re growing about 16,000 acres of dark cured tobacco and about 8,000 acres of air-cured,” said Bailey. “It’s about a $190 million crop. If this legislation went through, in the worst case, we wouldn’t have a market for 90 percent of our dark fire-cured tobacco.
“It would have a major, major impact. We have about 1,800 tobacco growers; probably 1,400 are growing dark-fire cured tobacco.”
The standard stems from the Swedish Snus, which is able to achieve the limit. The problem with that, Bailey explained, is that it is comparing apples to oranges.
“The Swedish Snus products don’t contain the same type of tobacco. Of the 15 or so products which the FDA reviewed, two were Swedish Snus and one was a loose-leaf tobacco product, which is different than the type used in most snuff in the U.S.
“Those three had less than 1 part per million,” he said. The FDA expects the rule to generate anywhere from $228.6 million-$2.46 billion in benefits by preventing an estimated 12,7000 new cases of oral cancer and approximately 2,2000 oral cancer deaths. It is also expected to cost the tobacco industry anywhere from $17.91 million-$42.72 million a year over the next 20 years to comply with the rule.
“The whole idea with the FDA is they wanted the NNN levels to be 1 part per million in the finished product, and with the current technology and the current recipes with these moist smokeless products, there is no way to meet them,” said Joe Cain, director, Commodity Division, Kentucky Farm Bureau. “There is no way to meet those levels right now without changing the formulation.

“Right now, it’s about 70 percent fire cured and about 30 percent air-cured. You would have to reverse those formulations and most likely, it would be a product that people wouldn’t buy; it wouldn’t be a commercially accepted product.”
U.S. Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), former agriculture commissioner of the Bluegrass State, urged the new presidential administration to withdraw the rule. “If finalized, (the rule) will have a devastating economic impact to the farmers and communities in my district,” he said in a letter to President Trump. “FDA’s proposed rule would require a standard … that is technically unachievable.
“Under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, any tobacco product standard established by the FDA must be technically achievable and consider the economic impact to domestic tobacco farmers and tobacco manufacturers.
Agronomic variability, including relative humidity during curing, is the largest contributor to tobacco-specific nitrosamines, including NNN, in tobacco on the farm.
“Because tobacco farmers cannot control changes in the weather, it is not achievable to meet the 1 ppm standard on an annual basis,” he added. “It would be almost impossible for them to continue that if this rule goes into effect,” noted Cain. “This is a really, really devastating standard they would have to meet. Producing tobacco more than just a recipe. This is a tradition that has been handed down for decades.

5/25/2017

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #63 on: May 15, 2017, 06:19:00 PM »
Quote from: worktowin
Quote from: swishnomo
October 2016 had a good question yesterday: "What was (is?) the hardest part of the quit for you?"

I found the responses helpful.
With over 300 days Quit in, many of us still struggle with the same withdrawl symptoms of nicotine.
Probably always will, to some degree.

For me, the worst time was in the 50-100 day time frame.
Hyper anxiety, insomnia, could not sleep/could not eat.
I gained about 15 pounds since then, but there was a stretch in October that I lost 5 pounds in a week.
Depression...I gave my son my guns, because I didn't want to think what I MIGHT do if left alone.

My advice when you hit bottom?
Ask for help.
Here in this Forum, spouse, Doctor, Pastor...someone.
Nic has been your Best Bud for a long time.
You are gonna need a new one.

For me, I was on prescription Lexapro for 4 months to help with the intense anxiety.
Every time you 'medicate' with Nicotine, you are creating that 'feel good feeling' that mimics serotonin creates.
Those receptors in your brain that Nic created will SCREAM if not fed more of the drug.

Lexapro, and other serotonin uptake inhibitors increase the amount of serotonin your body retains, so your brain does not feel so 'deprived'.
I suppose it was necessary and helpful for me to be on it for a time.
But I did not like the side effects of always feeling in a 'fog' and the weight gain, so I stopped in February.

My answer to yesterday's October 2016 question, that I still struggle with?
Anxiety and oral fixation.
I have not found that Posting Role directly helps these symptoms.
It helps to have the support and identify with others that are still struggling also. ( I found that especially true, reading thru yesterday's responses)

But with anxiety, it is necessary to find coping mechanisms that combat it head on.
Being thankful for what I DO HAVE. Recognizing that most all of the anxieties are not based on what is real.
I also bought an elliptical, that I try to burn at least 200 calories a day on.
Why 200 calories / day? Because that is the amount that Nicotine used to burn up due to increase metabolism of the drug.
That, along with trying to watch diet, has helped me lose 6# in the last 6 weeks of the 15 pounds I had gained October - Feb.

For oral fixation, as many have mentioned, is finding a substitute until hopefully at some point, the desire to have something in my mouth goes away.
I have found :
Unsalted sunflower seeds, @ Pipingrock.com
Expresso Coffee beans and, most recently
Peppermint tea bags.
Now you may scoff at the tea bag thing, but it is a good economical substitute to Fake Chew/Dip.
If you used Wintergreen dip, you can also get wintergreen tea bags.
Wet the tea bags, or take a swig of water after you put it in your cheek.
Besides having a similar feel, the mint has a bit of 'bite' to it that other substitutes do not.

Some may say I should not be realizing these symptoms this far into my quit. (309 days)
But I do believe that the older you are (almost 62) and the longer you have used Nicotine (better part of 40 years), the more difficult it will be to break OLD HABITS!
Nice post Bob. It gets better. I promise.
Really good post, Bob. I was really taken in by the responses to that question too. Every single answer I read I found myself shaking my head in agreement. I've no doubt that the longer you are on this poison, the harder and longer it takes to extract yourself from it. As I am at a woman "of a certain age" I can relate 100%. But we are free now, friend, and we have to hold on to our quit every single day. As you said, maybe forever.

So glad you are still posting with the Dumpster Fire.

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #62 on: May 11, 2017, 06:51:00 AM »
Quote from: swishnomo
October 2016 had a good question yesterday: "What was (is?) the hardest part of the quit for you?"

I found the responses helpful.
With over 300 days Quit in, many of us still struggle with the same withdrawl symptoms of nicotine.
Probably always will, to some degree.

For me, the worst time was in the 50-100 day time frame.
Hyper anxiety, insomnia, could not sleep/could not eat.
I gained about 15 pounds since then, but there was a stretch in October that I lost 5 pounds in a week.
Depression...I gave my son my guns, because I didn't want to think what I MIGHT do if left alone.

My advice when you hit bottom?
Ask for help.
Here in this Forum, spouse, Doctor, Pastor...someone.
Nic has been your Best Bud for a long time.
You are gonna need a new one.

For me, I was on prescription Lexapro for 4 months to help with the intense anxiety.
Every time you 'medicate' with Nicotine, you are creating that 'feel good feeling' that mimics serotonin creates.
Those receptors in your brain that Nic created will SCREAM if not fed more of the drug.

Lexapro, and other serotonin uptake inhibitors increase the amount of serotonin your body retains, so your brain does not feel so 'deprived'.
I suppose it was necessary and helpful for me to be on it for a time.
But I did not like the side effects of always feeling in a 'fog' and the weight gain, so I stopped in February.

My answer to yesterday's October 2016 question, that I still struggle with?
Anxiety and oral fixation.
I have not found that Posting Role directly helps these symptoms.
It helps to have the support and identify with others that are still struggling also. ( I found that especially true, reading thru yesterday's responses)

But with anxiety, it is necessary to find coping mechanisms that combat it head on.
Being thankful for what I DO HAVE. Recognizing that most all of the anxieties are not based on what is real.
I also bought an elliptical, that I try to burn at least 200 calories a day on.
Why 200 calories / day? Because that is the amount that Nicotine used to burn up due to increase metabolism of the drug.
That, along with trying to watch diet, has helped me lose 6# in the last 6 weeks of the 15 pounds I had gained October - Feb.

For oral fixation, as many have mentioned, is finding a substitute until hopefully at some point, the desire to have something in my mouth goes away.
I have found :
Unsalted sunflower seeds, @ Pipingrock.com
Expresso Coffee beans and, most recently
Peppermint tea bags.
Now you may scoff at the tea bag thing, but it is a good economical substitute to Fake Chew/Dip.
If you used Wintergreen dip, you can also get wintergreen tea bags.
Wet the tea bags, or take a swig of water after you put it in your cheek.
Besides having a similar feel, the mint has a bit of 'bite' to it that other substitutes do not.

Some may say I should not be realizing these symptoms this far into my quit. (309 days)
But I do believe that the older you are (almost 62) and the longer you have used Nicotine (better part of 40 years), the more difficult it will be to break OLD HABITS!
Nice post Bob. It gets better. I promise.

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2017, 09:39:00 AM »
October 2016 had a good question yesterday: "What was (is?) the hardest part of the quit for you?"

I found the responses helpful.
With over 300 days Quit in, many of us still struggle with the same withdrawl symptoms of nicotine.
Probably always will, to some degree.

For me, the worst time was in the 50-100 day time frame.
Hyper anxiety, insomnia, could not sleep/could not eat.
I gained about 15 pounds since then, but there was a stretch in October that I lost 5 pounds in a week.
Depression...I gave my son my guns, because I didn't want to think what I MIGHT do if left alone.

My advice when you hit bottom?
Ask for help.
Here in this Forum, spouse, Doctor, Pastor...someone.
Nic has been your Best Bud for a long time.
You are gonna need a new one.

For me, I was on prescription Lexapro for 4 months to help with the intense anxiety.
Every time you 'medicate' with Nicotine, you are creating that 'feel good feeling' that mimics serotonin creates.
Those receptors in your brain that Nic created will SCREAM if not fed more of the drug.

Lexapro, and other serotonin uptake inhibitors increase the amount of serotonin your body retains, so your brain does not feel so 'deprived'.
I suppose it was necessary and helpful for me to be on it for a time.
But I did not like the side effects of always feeling in a 'fog' and the weight gain, so I stopped in February.

My answer to yesterday's October 2016 question, that I still struggle with?
Anxiety and oral fixation.
I have not found that Posting Role directly helps these symptoms.
It helps to have the support and identify with others that are still struggling also. ( I found that especially true, reading thru yesterday's responses)

But with anxiety, it is necessary to find coping mechanisms that combat it head on.
Being thankful for what I DO HAVE. Recognizing that most all of the anxieties are not based on what is real.
I also bought an elliptical, that I try to burn at least 200 calories a day on.
Why 200 calories / day? Because that is the amount that Nicotine used to burn up due to increase metabolism of the drug.
That, along with trying to watch diet, has helped me lose 6# in the last 6 weeks of the 15 pounds I had gained October - Feb.

For oral fixation, as many have mentioned, is finding a substitute until hopefully at some point, the desire to have something in my mouth goes away.
I have found :
Unsalted sunflower seeds, @ Pipingrock.com
Expresso Coffee beans and, most recently
Peppermint tea bags.
Now you may scoff at the tea bag thing, but it is a good economical substitute to Fake Chew/Dip.
If you used Wintergreen dip, you can also get wintergreen tea bags.
Wet the tea bags, or take a swig of water after you put it in your cheek.
Besides having a similar feel, the mint has a bit of 'bite' to it that other substitutes do not.

Some may say I should not be realizing these symptoms this far into my quit. (309 days)
But I do believe that the older you are (almost 62) and the longer you have used Nicotine (better part of 40 years), the more difficult it will be to break OLD HABITS!

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2017, 11:41:00 PM »
Damn, I've never heard of such a virus/disease. There is alot of issues in this world, and I wish we could fix them all, especially for kids.

For inspiration, think of the fact that the addiction to nicotine is a voluntary, 1st world type problem... we choose to use tobacco. Those 3rd world residents dont have a choice to what inflicts them.

We can choose to live...
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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2017, 07:32:00 AM »
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Hey Swish,

How was your Uganda trip? Since you posted here last, there have been many quitters to join this site like myself (and a lot to leave), but I just wanted to personally give you a word of encouragement. I am in no way going through what you are but we do have two things in common.

1. We quit nicotine

2. We are going around the sun together, the universe is not revolving around us. I know I need help to keep my focus, and it appears you do too. Theoretically you need less help than I do because you are not here as much as I to get the help.

If you want more discussion, more help, then post more often. Come and play around in May 17 to give you a distraction from life if you want.

I quit with you today, come find me somewhere in here man 'archer'
If you ever have opportunity to travel to a Third World country, do it.
You will never look at people the same again.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/04/ ... cnnphotos/

This is an article about the hospital we served at in Uganda.

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #58 on: April 07, 2017, 09:10:00 AM »
Comments due for smokeless tobacco July 10

FRANKFORT, Ky. — Agriculture Commissioner Ryan Quarles announced the comment period for a proposed federal regulation on smokeless tobacco products has
been extended from April 10 to July 10, according to a report in The Daily Independent of Ashland, Ky.

“This proposed rule would have a devastating economic impact on dark tobacco growers and businesses in Kentucky,” Quarles said. “If enacted, it would have the
effect of banning the sale of smokeless tobacco in the United States. I urge anyone who has an interest to send your comments to Washington and let your voice
be heard.”

In a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price earlier this month, he asked the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to withdraw the proposal. Quarles said the FDA did not accurately estimate the economic impact of the proposed rule. The proposal would limit the N-Nitrosonornicotine level in finished smokeless tobacco products to 1 part per million.

Quarles suggested stakeholders be brought together to create a new standard that is realistic and achievable and would not create a devastating economic impact.
Kentucky led the nation in production of dark firecured and dark air-cured tobacco in 2015 at 31.7 million pounds and 13.75 million pounds, respectively. To read
the rule and comment, visit www.bit.ly/2n4J6BF

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2017, 12:32:00 PM »
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Oral nic spikes 3-16 times higher in blood levels of nicotine than smoking:

http://whyquit.com/smokeless/smokeless_ ... _tips.html
Definitely creates havoc for anyone that already has issues with high blood pressure.
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 09:02:00 AM »
Oral nic spikes 3-16 times higher in blood levels of nicotine than smoking:

http://whyquit.com/smokeless/smokeless_ ... _tips.html

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2017, 09:21:00 PM »
Fuck those assholes. We ain't supporting them anymore. I hope they have to find another line of work. Dicks.

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2017, 05:10:00 PM »
We were target for higher amounts of nicotine than smokers from the start:

Comments due for smokeless tobacco July 10
FRANKFORT, Ky. — Agriculture Commissioner Ryan Quarles announced the comment period for a proposed federal regulation on smokeless tobacco products has
been extended from April 10 to July 10, according to a report in The Daily Independent of Ashland, Ky.
“This proposed rule would have a devastating economic impact on dark tobacco growers and businesses in Kentucky,” Quarles said. “If enacted, it would have the
effect of banning the sale of smokeless tobacco in the United States. I urge anyone who has an interest to send your comments to Washington and let your voice
be heard.”
In a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price earlier this month, he asked the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to withdraw the proposal. Quarles said the FDA did not accurately estimate the economic impact of the proposed rule. The proposal would limit the N-Nitrosonornicotine level in finished smokeless tobacco products to 1 part per million.
Quarles suggested stakeholders be brought together to create a new standard that is realistic and achievable and would not create a devastating economic impact.

Kentucky led the nation in production of dark firecured and dark air-cured tobacco in 2015 at 31.7 million pounds and 13.75 million pounds, respectively. To read
the rule and comment, visit www.bit.ly/2n4J6BF

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Re: 40+ combined years
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2017, 10:29:00 AM »
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Everyone's quit is different.

http://whyquit.com/whyquit/LinksAAddiction.html

This is the BEST info that I have found regarding why nic is so hard to quit. It refers to smoking, but other articles this site has state that oral is much more difficult.
It has a lot to do with the thought of 'well being'.
Much like losing your life's work....
Yes Swish everyone is different, but as the article states, everyone is subject to the same on rule: "Once we're free, just one, using just once and we have to go back."

Keep posting roll and posting here. Win today. You are not alone, don't be afraid.
Dude, no question about it... life can/will kick you in the nuts sometimes. Hard.

Since I quit 4 years ago... I've lost a massive chunk of income from a life's work/passion... my mom has almost died, twice, because of her addiction to nicotine... we've had some MAJOR house issues arise... I lost my grandad, who was one of the most pivotal people in my life...

The list goes on with varying degrees of impact.

It's life, man.

What happens doesn't define you but what you DO about it sure as hell does.

"Everyone's quit is different"
Well... why not MAKE yours different/better?
All the tools are here... the method has been explained to you time and time again.

Get involved and stay involved....heavily.

You're still owned by nicotine... time for YOU to own it.
Well, it’s one louder, isn’t it? It’s not ten.