Day 1

[DRock88]

I slept extremely well last night, which has really helped my mood today. It's Day 3. Let's do this!

[Bean]

Drock, your average posts per day is 0.1. Posting roll is the key. Understand how and why we do it, the do it every fucking day. Read everything you can on this site. Read the Tom and Jenny Kern story. I bet Tom would trade sleepless nights and a bad mood for that moment when his daughter was at his bed pleading "Daddy, don't go" as he took his last breaths.

Let's put things in perspective. You're in a fight for your life here. And you're looking for a magic word or someone else to figure this out for you. You don't need more advice. You need to post roll and get serious. Click around in the Quit Groups...not just your own, but other months and years. All of those bad asses have been right where you are now and are living free ONE DAY AT A TIME. YOU can do this. YOU can live free. And let's get that average post per day up a little, huh?

[Gdubya]

No sleep ? Very common issue when quitting. I received this advice so I pass it on. Take something to put you to sleep. Tylenol PM would put me right out. Going through the suck of withdrawls become even worse when it keeping you up at night. It wears you down and weakens your strength and resolve. Getting a good night sleep helps you approach the next day of Quit with complete resolve. And id suggest meds, not alcohol.

[rickddd]

Do you actually have any advice other than "just fucking do it"? That seems to a pretty common attitude around here. "If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here." Great advice.

Maybe it sounded harsh, but its about getting your mind right. You should stop using terms like try to quit, hopefully it sticks, etc. You can't quit by dipping your toe into the quit pool, to make sure it isn't too uncomfortable. You have to jump in with both feet, knowing its gonna be uncomfortable and going to suck for a while.
Decide that you are quit, post roll every day as a promise to not put nicotine in your body that day, and then keep your word.

As far as things you can do to reduce how much you think about it - the biggest things for me were
1) keeping hard candies, sunflower seeds, and fake chew around all the time everywhere I went, and
2) cease all beer/alcohol intake for a while.

Have a plan in place to deal with the anger and anxiety, since you KNOW those things are going to happen. For me, it was lifting weights that helped relieve those feelings, even if just temporarily. Join a gym if you need to - $50/month is probably alot less than you spent on chew/dip.
Most people use some form of exercise to quell those types of feelings, but its up to you to find what works for you - but find SOMETHING because the "bad mood" stuff is going to happen, I guarantee it. Its temporary, but you can't let that ruin your quit. Everyone experiences anger/anxiety early in their quit. You need to find a way to deal with it and reduce its affect on you.

[DRock88]

I don't have anything to hide.

[RDB]

Do you actually have any advice other than "just fucking do it"? That seems to a pretty common attitude around here. "If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here." Great advice.

Gosh, my post was packed with advice.

1) Stop thinking in terms like try and attempt. Changing your mindset to "this is it, I've got this" is an important part of staying quit.
2) Give your word
3) Honor your word. Those are the backbone of the entire site.
4) Drink the Kool-Aid.
5) Jump in with both feet. That is - buy in to the system, even if you think most of us are ass holes.
6) Reach out for help - I even offered to share my digits. After roll, that's the most powerful aspect of this community. Hundreds of people willing to drop anything to help a brother stay quit if that brother reaches out. If someone offers their digits, they are indicating that you can reach out 24/7/365. My offer to share my digits still stands. Send me a PM.
7) Use the tools provided here - roll, digits, and pages and pages of information to read.
8) Quit Like Fuck. For at least a little while, quitting has to be the most important thing in your life. Yes, keeping your job, and marriage intact (if applicable) are also highly important. But quitting is a matter of life and death. Approach it with the gravest of seriousness, and make checking in here and getting involved with the community a priority.
9) Change your quit date - which I see you've done. That is your date of freedom. Among the most very important days in your life now. Remember it. Revere it.
10) Just fucking do it. You are the only person who can keep you quit. There is no excuse, no reason, no stressor that can justify a cave. Nothing. Make your commitment and honor it. Come here, to the site when a crave hits, or send a text to a brother. Or slam your nuts in a desk drawer. Whatever it takes. Just refuse to cave, and I can't refuse to cave for you.
11) If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here. We are attending to quitters who intend to stay quit. Other quitters are attending to me. If you aren't absolutely committed to staying quit, get the fuck out so you don't fuck things up for quitters who need all the help they can get from committed quitters.

I came off as crass, because I discovered you are a retread. You didn't admit to that in your (2nd) intro. You played coy about a couple other attempts to stop dipping, but didn't flat out admit that you posted your promise here to another group in this community, then went back on that promise. It appeared to me that you were trying to be less than forthcoming about that.

There are other sites out there that help dippers quit smokeless tobacco. When a caver caves, they pat that caver on the ass, and wish them better luck next time. That's not how it works here.

[copingwithoutcopen]

I probably only slept about an hour at a time last night. Otherwise, I feel good. Since I wasn't sleeping very well, I headed out to the gym around 5 am.

Working out helps you sleep and directs the rage in a positive direction. Gotta hydrate bigly, too. Keep on keepin on and you never have to go through this again. Welcome!

[DRock88]

I probably only slept about an hour at a time last night. Otherwise, I feel good. Since I wasn't sleeping very well, I headed out to the gym around 5 am.

[Gdubya]

Welcome DRock. You have definitely found the right place. At least it has been for me. Pretty simple philosophy here. Wake up early and post roll. Roll is your promise for just today. I dipped 30+ years. I couldn't wrap my brain around quitting forever. I didn't believe I could do it. Here I didn't have to promise Id be quit forever. I just had to promise for today. And that I could do. And actually, I was so damn proud I wanted to do it again. Then again. And again. Ive done it 1360 times so far. It works. Post roll. Get hooked up with your Quit group. Get involved. Trade phone numbers. Dig in here. Throw out as many life lines as you can. Some days you only need a few of them. Some days you don't need any of them. And some days you need every one of them and you want more. It really does get better day by day. Welcome.

[DRock88]

Do you actually have any advice other than "just fucking do it"? That seems to a pretty common attitude around here. "If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here." Great advice.

Support and advice at KTC are not unconditional. To tap into this network, you need to prove that you are serious and determined with your quit. That principle is what makes KTC successful. It's not for everybody, but for those who are willing to work for it, this system is an excellent way to quit. You prove yourself here by posting roll and keeping your word. If you never cave, no one ever questions your commitment or integrity. If you do cave, it's a different story.

It is assumed that once you find KTC and post roll, you've publicly stated that you are ready to throw away the BS and quit for real. It's also assumed that the tools for a successful quit are here and available to you, if you are willing to find and develop them. So when someone fails, it essentially means that they were not serious and willing to invest in their quit. When a caver comes back, it raises the question "If they weren't ready/ able back then, what has changed?" It's up to you to answer that question.

You answer that question and earn your way back into the community, a community that YOU chose not to embrace last time, by 1) Answering your three questions with thoughtfulness and humility. 2) Building a measurable plan for success  acting on it. 3) Continuing to fight for your own quit. Post roll, Keep your promise.

Cavers eventually are welcomed back into the fold. Many go on to be major contributors to the site and true freaking studs. However, your past actions have made your current situation that much harder - it's up to you to remedy that. You can do it, the ball is in your court. I'll be looking forward to see what you do with it.

... Double your water intake, halve your caffeine and cease your alcohol for the next several weeks. If you choose not to care about the rest of it, at least there's some practical advice I can leave you with.

Thank you. That actually contained some advice.

[pky1520]

Do you actually have any advice other than "just fucking do it"? That seems to a pretty common attitude around here. "If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here." Great advice.

Support and advice at KTC are not unconditional. To tap into this network, you need to prove that you are serious and determined with your quit. That principle is what makes KTC successful. It's not for everybody, but for those who are willing to work for it, this system is an excellent way to quit. You prove yourself here by posting roll and keeping your word. If you never cave, no one ever questions your commitment or integrity. If you do cave, it's a different story.

It is assumed that once you find KTC and post roll, you've publicly stated that you are ready to throw away the BS and quit for real. It's also assumed that the tools for a successful quit are here and available to you, if you are willing to find and develop them. So when someone fails, it essentially means that they were not serious and willing to invest in their quit. When a caver comes back, it raises the question "If they weren't ready/ able back then, what has changed?" It's up to you to answer that question.

You answer that question and earn your way back into the community, a community that YOU chose not to embrace last time, by 1) Answering your three questions with thoughtfulness and humility. 2) Building a measurable plan for success  acting on it. 3) Continuing to fight for your own quit. Post roll, Keep your promise.

Cavers eventually are welcomed back into the fold. Many go on to be major contributors to the site and true freaking studs. However, your past actions have made your current situation that much harder - it's up to you to remedy that. You can do it, the ball is in your court. I'll be looking forward to see what you do with it.

... Double your water intake, halve your caffeine and cease your alcohol for the next several weeks. If you choose not to care about the rest of it, at least there's some practical advice I can leave you with.

[TME]

Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

Unless someone stuffs the turd in your mouth...it'll be completely up to you whether you do.

[DRock88]

Do you actually have any advice other than "just fucking do it"? That seems to a pretty common attitude around here. "If you can't do it, well fuck you and get the fuck out of here." Great advice.

[RDB]

Stop with the weak sauce - "attempt" and "try" and "quit for a couple weeks" and "the quit never stuck".

We Quit once. We give our word, and we honor it every day. The quit didn't stick because didn't use the tools that were provided to you.

If you want to Quit, jump in with both feet and drink the Kool-Aid. Honor your word, and reach out when you need to. My digits are a PM away.

If you're not ready to Quit Like Fuck, don't waste our time.

Mod, please merge this intro with his previous.

Oh, and change the Quit Date in your header.

[DRock88]

Today is day 1 for me. This is not my first attempt at quitting forever. I've dipped since about 2001. I did quit once in college for about 30 days or so. I also quit for a couple of weeks at the end of 2015. The quit has just never stuck but I'm trying again. One of the most distinct things that I remember from my last quit was anxiety and bad mood. I was always in a bad mood at work, and felt that it could probably cost me my job if it continued. I was also anxious about going to the dentist. As it turned out, the dentist said I would be fine once they cleaned me up good and I continued to brush, floss, etc. With the bad mood and clean dentist visit, I went back to dipping. I've been to the dentist every 3 months since, and everything has been fine. I just want to quit before something does happen, though. I hope that I don't stay in a bad mood this time.