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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2016, 07:05:00 PM »
Oh the mind is a beautiful thing coach! Now is the time to help it rewire. It's gonna take a while. People come here expecting miracle cures and find out there's no miracles because there's no cure. You have to say I've had it with this shit. I'm an addict, I will always be an addict and I cannot and do not want to do this alone! And as long as my names on that roll I will never have to do this alone! I'm here alone with 25000 others to help! I'm living proof this is possible and loving every damn second of it! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2016, 03:57:00 PM »
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The sad thing is that the past few years I havenÂ’t even really enjoyed dipping.
Crazy isn't it! Most of the time while I'm was dipping I didn't enjoy it either. But you wait, 6 or 7 months down the road, my dumb ass brain will start telling me, " you remember how great life was when you were dipping?Why did you quit? We need to start that again."

Great intro. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2016, 03:17:00 PM »
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I was so scatter-brained when I first started here a little over a week ago, I never was able to stop and put a full introduction together. So here it goes.
My fight with the Nic Bitch started back in high school with Beechnut and Red Man Golden Blend. We were stupid high schoolers playing baseball in Florida and thought it was cool. It wasnÂ’t a real habit back then, just a pouch here and there when I could sneak it behind my parentsÂ’ back. But it was definitely a gateway into what would happen.
In college, I continued to use chew on a sporadic level. I would only grab a pouch during stressful exams, papers or for my drives home from college. HereÂ’s the fucked up part, at that time I hated dip. I thought it was nasty compared to chew and never used it. The same sporadic use continued until I graduated college, and I continued to stay away from dip, even with a roommate who was a heavy dipper.
While in grad school, and still staying away from dip all this time with roommates who dipped, I bummed a pinch from my buddy one night while we were out drinking. It was all downhill from there. It started out slow then would build, especially during exams. Back then, I could still stop whenever I wanted. Dip a can of Cherry Skoal in a day and I would be stopped for monthsÂ…until the next exam or deadline at work.
Frustrated with life after grad school found me dipping full time, a can every couple days at least. Then it would gradually increase over the years. It got to a point where I was sneaking dips in at work.
When my wife and I first started dating, she didnÂ’t know I dipped. One night, she found a can I didnÂ’t hide very well. I gave her a b.s. story about how I hardly do it. She hated it and didnÂ’t like it at all. I was too much of a pussy to tell her the truth back then and it would eventually bite me in the ass.
The rest of my story is much like everyone else, especially those of you who were ninja dippers. Once a year of so I would get lazy hiding it and my wife would find out. It was always tough dealing with her and not being honest. Each time I would stop, but I was too big of a pussy to stay quit. It was also an egotistical thing for me – I would rationalize that she never actually caught me dipping, I just had to be more careful.
The sad thing is that the past few years I havenÂ’t even really enjoyed dipping. I was too weak to quit and too egotistical to want to quit until I was ready. ThatÂ’s why I think I deep down wanted to be caught. I know that may seem weird, but on a couple nights leading up to my wife catching me, I had dreams about being caught.
While being quit through KTC, IÂ’ve grown up a bit mentally and realized that it wasnÂ’t just my dipping that my wife hated and even threatened to leave me over. It was bigger than that. It was the fact that I failed to be truthful and honest with her each time. I get that now. Her wanting me to quit wasnÂ’t what my fÂ’d up mind was telling me, which was me thinking she was trying to control me. It has always been about her caring and loving me. She doesnÂ’t want me to get the Big C. I was too stupid to understand that then. I do now, thankfully.
Sixteen years of my life has been controlled by this shit. I canÂ’t believe IÂ’ve allowed that to happen. I canÂ’t believe IÂ’ve allowed it to control how I act and what I do. Thank you to everyone who has reached out and given me support so far. I look forward to getting to know you guys better as we go through this and getting to know even more of the rest of you.
This coming weekend is a nice long vacation to the beach with my wife and son. I had in my mind originally planned to use this trip as the starting point for what would have been another failed attempt to quit. Now, I’m ahead of the game – thank you all for that!
Good for you Coach! That kind of honest self evaluation will really help you as you get past the physical stages of the quit and into the more emotional/ mental phases down the road.

Stay motivated and stay focused. Learn to hate nicotine. Be proud of your quit. Be humble enough to know when to ask for help from others. Continue to make your promise and keep it. You got it brother!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2016, 02:18:00 PM »
I was so scatter-brained when I first started here a little over a week ago, I never was able to stop and put a full introduction together. So here it goes.
My fight with the Nic Bitch started back in high school with Beechnut and Red Man Golden Blend. We were stupid high schoolers playing baseball in Florida and thought it was cool. It wasnÂ’t a real habit back then, just a pouch here and there when I could sneak it behind my parentsÂ’ back. But it was definitely a gateway into what would happen.
In college, I continued to use chew on a sporadic level. I would only grab a pouch during stressful exams, papers or for my drives home from college. HereÂ’s the fucked up part, at that time I hated dip. I thought it was nasty compared to chew and never used it. The same sporadic use continued until I graduated college, and I continued to stay away from dip, even with a roommate who was a heavy dipper.
While in grad school, and still staying away from dip all this time with roommates who dipped, I bummed a pinch from my buddy one night while we were out drinking. It was all downhill from there. It started out slow then would build, especially during exams. Back then, I could still stop whenever I wanted. Dip a can of Cherry Skoal in a day and I would be stopped for monthsÂ…until the next exam or deadline at work.
Frustrated with life after grad school found me dipping full time, a can every couple days at least. Then it would gradually increase over the years. It got to a point where I was sneaking dips in at work.
When my wife and I first started dating, she didnÂ’t know I dipped. One night, she found a can I didnÂ’t hide very well. I gave her a b.s. story about how I hardly do it. She hated it and didnÂ’t like it at all. I was too much of a pussy to tell her the truth back then and it would eventually bite me in the ass.
The rest of my story is much like everyone else, especially those of you who were ninja dippers. Once a year of so I would get lazy hiding it and my wife would find out. It was always tough dealing with her and not being honest. Each time I would stop, but I was too big of a pussy to stay quit. It was also an egotistical thing for me – I would rationalize that she never actually caught me dipping, I just had to be more careful.
The sad thing is that the past few years I havenÂ’t even really enjoyed dipping. I was too weak to quit and too egotistical to want to quit until I was ready. ThatÂ’s why I think I deep down wanted to be caught. I know that may seem weird, but on a couple nights leading up to my wife catching me, I had dreams about being caught.
While being quit through KTC, IÂ’ve grown up a bit mentally and realized that it wasnÂ’t just my dipping that my wife hated and even threatened to leave me over. It was bigger than that. It was the fact that I failed to be truthful and honest with her each time. I get that now. Her wanting me to quit wasnÂ’t what my fÂ’d up mind was telling me, which was me thinking she was trying to control me. It has always been about her caring and loving me. She doesnÂ’t want me to get the Big C. I was too stupid to understand that then. I do now, thankfully.
Sixteen years of my life has been controlled by this shit. I canÂ’t believe IÂ’ve allowed that to happen. I canÂ’t believe IÂ’ve allowed it to control how I act and what I do. Thank you to everyone who has reached out and given me support so far. I look forward to getting to know you guys better as we go through this and getting to know even more of the rest of you.
This coming weekend is a nice long vacation to the beach with my wife and son. I had in my mind originally planned to use this trip as the starting point for what would have been another failed attempt to quit. Now, I’m ahead of the game – thank you all for that!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2016, 09:47:00 PM »
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pky, sorry I haven't replied sooner - that's my fault. My wife and I are doing good now! We had a great talk and she's happy that I'm a part of this group! After a few days of the cold shoulder, she started crashing on the couch and not going back to bed until I did. In the past, this would have pissed me off because prime dip time was after she went to bed. Now, I see it as an awesome move on her part to help me...I have no intentions of telling her "It's okay, you can go back to bed"; I know she'll have trust in me again when she's ready to go back to normal.
DjPorkchop, I wish I had your backbone when I first met my wife. I was afraid I would have lost her when we first met if I had been 100% honest with her about my dipping. If I had been, I may have not gone on to marry her; but most likely, I would have earned her support from the get-go to quit. A tough lesson learned, that's for sure.
all too familiar story Coach. I told my future wife about me dipping about 2 weeks after meeting her. she said, well ok - its not that bad i guess, you're not a smoker. fast forward 4 years and the continuous cycle of her being upset and disgusted and sad about my dipping, the constant "I'm quitting soon... I promise"... finally it hit me one day, that this one aspect of my life was causing a lot of pain in my marriage. 128 days later - still quit and feeling better each day.

hang tough through this first couple weeks. Be prepared for the mindgames. Your brain is going to try and piss you off to get you to break. the addiction (or mine at least) feeds on anger and frustration. you are going to be a dick to some people for a couple weeks. then you'll mellow out and the cravings won't be near as intense.

You got this!
jswiss11, thanks for the reply and encouragement! One thing I've learned in my short time here is that what I was doing - the ninja dipping  lying - was more common than I thought. Finding a bunch of guys who have been in the same boat as me has been the biggest help in getting through this!
Oh coach just start writing all the little things that you notice changing in your life. The rewards of quitting are far greater than anyone can tell you. I dipped 38 years of my 52 and man 569 days of freedom is unbelievable. One thing I would like to say is let's try to stop kids before they start dipping as well as the ones who've started. I consider myself very fortunate not to have cancer or died early on because only time I wasn't dipping was when I was eating or sleeping! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Thanks for the post, pab! I really like that suggestion of writing down a list of positive changes through the course of my quit!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2016, 05:38:00 PM »
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pky, sorry I haven't replied sooner - that's my fault. My wife and I are doing good now! We had a great talk and she's happy that I'm a part of this group! After a few days of the cold shoulder, she started crashing on the couch and not going back to bed until I did. In the past, this would have pissed me off because prime dip time was after she went to bed. Now, I see it as an awesome move on her part to help me...I have no intentions of telling her "It's okay, you can go back to bed"; I know she'll have trust in me again when she's ready to go back to normal.
DjPorkchop, I wish I had your backbone when I first met my wife. I was afraid I would have lost her when we first met if I had been 100% honest with her about my dipping. If I had been, I may have not gone on to marry her; but most likely, I would have earned her support from the get-go to quit. A tough lesson learned, that's for sure.
all too familiar story Coach. I told my future wife about me dipping about 2 weeks after meeting her. she said, well ok - its not that bad i guess, you're not a smoker. fast forward 4 years and the continuous cycle of her being upset and disgusted and sad about my dipping, the constant "I'm quitting soon... I promise"... finally it hit me one day, that this one aspect of my life was causing a lot of pain in my marriage. 128 days later - still quit and feeling better each day.

hang tough through this first couple weeks. Be prepared for the mindgames. Your brain is going to try and piss you off to get you to break. the addiction (or mine at least) feeds on anger and frustration. you are going to be a dick to some people for a couple weeks. then you'll mellow out and the cravings won't be near as intense.

You got this!
jswiss11, thanks for the reply and encouragement! One thing I've learned in my short time here is that what I was doing - the ninja dipping  lying - was more common than I thought. Finding a bunch of guys who have been in the same boat as me has been the biggest help in getting through this!
Oh coach just start writing all the little things that you notice changing in your life. The rewards of quitting are far greater than anyone can tell you. I dipped 38 years of my 52 and man 569 days of freedom is unbelievable. One thing I would like to say is let's try to stop kids before they start dipping as well as the ones who've started. I consider myself very fortunate not to have cancer or died early on because only time I wasn't dipping was when I was eating or sleeping! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2016, 05:12:00 PM »
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pky, sorry I haven't replied sooner - that's my fault. My wife and I are doing good now! We had a great talk and she's happy that I'm a part of this group! After a few days of the cold shoulder, she started crashing on the couch and not going back to bed until I did. In the past, this would have pissed me off because prime dip time was after she went to bed. Now, I see it as an awesome move on her part to help me...I have no intentions of telling her "It's okay, you can go back to bed"; I know she'll have trust in me again when she's ready to go back to normal.
DjPorkchop, I wish I had your backbone when I first met my wife. I was afraid I would have lost her when we first met if I had been 100% honest with her about my dipping. If I had been, I may have not gone on to marry her; but most likely, I would have earned her support from the get-go to quit. A tough lesson learned, that's for sure.
all too familiar story Coach. I told my future wife about me dipping about 2 weeks after meeting her. she said, well ok - its not that bad i guess, you're not a smoker. fast forward 4 years and the continuous cycle of her being upset and disgusted and sad about my dipping, the constant "I'm quitting soon... I promise"... finally it hit me one day, that this one aspect of my life was causing a lot of pain in my marriage. 128 days later - still quit and feeling better each day.

hang tough through this first couple weeks. Be prepared for the mindgames. Your brain is going to try and piss you off to get you to break. the addiction (or mine at least) feeds on anger and frustration. you are going to be a dick to some people for a couple weeks. then you'll mellow out and the cravings won't be near as intense.

You got this!
jswiss11, thanks for the reply and encouragement! One thing I've learned in my short time here is that what I was doing - the ninja dipping  lying - was more common than I thought. Finding a bunch of guys who have been in the same boat as me has been the biggest help in getting through this!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2016, 11:16:00 AM »
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pky, sorry I haven't replied sooner - that's my fault. My wife and I are doing good now! We had a great talk and she's happy that I'm a part of this group! After a few days of the cold shoulder, she started crashing on the couch and not going back to bed until I did. In the past, this would have pissed me off because prime dip time was after she went to bed. Now, I see it as an awesome move on her part to help me...I have no intentions of telling her "It's okay, you can go back to bed"; I know she'll have trust in me again when she's ready to go back to normal.
DjPorkchop, I wish I had your backbone when I first met my wife. I was afraid I would have lost her when we first met if I had been 100% honest with her about my dipping. If I had been, I may have not gone on to marry her; but most likely, I would have earned her support from the get-go to quit. A tough lesson learned, that's for sure.
all too familiar story Coach. I told my future wife about me dipping about 2 weeks after meeting her. she said, well ok - its not that bad i guess, you're not a smoker. fast forward 4 years and the continuous cycle of her being upset and disgusted and sad about my dipping, the constant "I'm quitting soon... I promise"... finally it hit me one day, that this one aspect of my life was causing a lot of pain in my marriage. 128 days later - still quit and feeling better each day.

hang tough through this first couple weeks. Be prepared for the mindgames. Your brain is going to try and piss you off to get you to break. the addiction (or mine at least) feeds on anger and frustration. you are going to be a dick to some people for a couple weeks. then you'll mellow out and the cravings won't be near as intense.

You got this!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2016, 08:44:00 AM »
pky, sorry I haven't replied sooner - that's my fault. My wife and I are doing good now! We had a great talk and she's happy that I'm a part of this group! After a few days of the cold shoulder, she started crashing on the couch and not going back to bed until I did. In the past, this would have pissed me off because prime dip time was after she went to bed. Now, I see it as an awesome move on her part to help me...I have no intentions of telling her "It's okay, you can go back to bed"; I know she'll have trust in me again when she's ready to go back to normal.
DjPorkchop, I wish I had your backbone when I first met my wife. I was afraid I would have lost her when we first met if I had been 100% honest with her about my dipping. If I had been, I may have not gone on to marry her; but most likely, I would have earned her support from the get-go to quit. A tough lesson learned, that's for sure.

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2016, 06:17:00 PM »
I never had to worry about getting busted by my other half. She knew I chewed / dipped right up front. I hide nothing from anyone. I am who I am. You don't like it, beat it! She chose to be ok with it. And why not, she smoked, and still does. I did to but it didn't have a brand name ;) . I also did not hide that from her either.

However, when I quit, she asked me of I had quit. I said, no. I'm seeing how long I can go without a dip in my mouth. She knew I was being a wise guy. That was 303 days ago and I still have not put one in nor do I plan to. I did have to have "The Talk" with her that everyone is talking about. She knew I was going to get bitchy and all. I was honest about it. When it got to the point of being to much for her, she told me one thing and one thing only. Loose the fucking attitude and do it now. Yep! Time to talk to doc about some mild drugs. Valium it was! So yeah, please do have the chat if you have not done so already. If you need help with that, we are all here for you man.

I hope your wife is understanding as mine was. We all need the support we can get with this addiction. Especially from our better halves!
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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2016, 06:05:00 PM »
Have you had the convo with the wife yet? How'd it go?

One of your October bro's is in a similar pickle (BDSqueeze I think). I'm sure he could use some advice!

Stay strong this weekend Coach!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2016, 11:36:00 PM »
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Got through a big Day 3 today with no problems! First day home with my son - a day full of "trigger" events. Got through it with some help from the Smokey Mountain fake stuff and just simply "manning up".
To top it off, my 2-year old chose today as the first day of the summer to refuse to take a nap!
My body should be nicotine free by the time I wake up in the morning. That is fucking awesome and a great motivator! This whole week is going to be a tough test!
Thanks to all my brothers who have reached out so far - I appreciate each and every one of you!
ODAAT Coach! Man can do just about anything for 24 hour's. This is your quit! Own it, be damn proud of every second you are free. Not many guys can say their truly quit but you can and damn proud to be quit with you!
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2016, 11:29:00 PM »
Got through a big Day 3 today with no problems! First day home with my son - a day full of "trigger" events. Got through it with some help from the Smokey Mountain fake stuff and just simply "manning up".
To top it off, my 2-year old chose today as the first day of the summer to refuse to take a nap!
My body should be nicotine free by the time I wake up in the morning. That is fucking awesome and a great motivator! This whole week is going to be a tough test!
Thanks to all my brothers who have reached out so far - I appreciate each and every one of you!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2016, 02:48:00 PM »
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Day 2 down and going strong!
My wife yelled at me in tears this afternoon as she talked about my lying to her and catching me in the act.
At least she's talking to me... It's going to take a lot to gain her trust back.
I tried to explain this time is different because I want to quit, I'm not doing this because it's what I think she would want. Anyway, she wasn't much interested in what I had to say. Figured that was how it was going to be, so I didn't push the issue.
How did any other "ninja" dippers bring their wives around to learning about KTC? I think this site will not only help me quit for me, but will help rebuild trust with my wife if she can stop by and see how well I'm doing.
Damn, I'm tired - rather deal with that than cravings, though!
It's tough because she truly can't understand what the addiction was that led to lying and the way you rationalized it to yourself. She also can't fully understand the withdrawal you're going through or the emotional attachments you're going to have to break. When you tell her about KTC, she'll be shocked that quitting is so difficult for you. In her mind, quitting means you just don't do it anymore and that if you keep dipping, it's because you must not love her enough.

What you need to do is to give it a few days, when the hurt is no longer so fresh. Find a calm moment and tell her that you want her to know that you're taking real steps to keep your promise and to get tobacco out of your life for good. Tell her about KTC and frame it in a way that communicates that you are serious about quitting and the site is a concrete, measurable step towards success.

Let her know you're going to be getting some random texts, you'll be checking your phone and posting daily.

Answer any follow ups she has as honestly as possible. You're airing out the laundry here, so just own it. You won't help yourself by tacking on another lie.

Let her decide how involved she wants to be. It's up to you if you want to let her read what's going on. Personally, I prefer my gal not to read the site just because it might make me filter myself more, and that's not what I want to do here.

There's a spousal support section here and many find that helpful. So that could be a good place to start.
Man I was in your shoes three years ago. Even though you know this time is different, she's been lied to way too often so she thinks this quit is the same as all your other "so called" quits. There's no quick way to fix the problem. But you need her on board with your quit, it adds to your accountability and living an honest life with your spouse is one of the true benefits of quitting. I had my wife read my intro page, and told her she could ask me what day quit I am on any given day (which she does every month or so). I shared all my milestones with my wife...one week. One month. 100 days, one year etc. Over time she came to believe in me again. Bottom line is to stay quit and to stay honest, that's the high road. Everything else will take care of itself. Keep grinding Coach!

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Re: The Tipping Point
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2016, 11:06:00 PM »
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Day 2 down and going strong!
My wife yelled at me in tears this afternoon as she talked about my lying to her and catching me in the act.
At least she's talking to me... It's going to take a lot to gain her trust back.
I tried to explain this time is different because I want to quit, I'm not doing this because it's what I think she would want. Anyway, she wasn't much interested in what I had to say. Figured that was how it was going to be, so I didn't push the issue.
How did any other "ninja" dippers bring their wives around to learning about KTC? I think this site will not only help me quit for me, but will help rebuild trust with my wife if she can stop by and see how well I'm doing.
Damn, I'm tired - rather deal with that than cravings, though!
It's tough because she truly can't understand what the addiction was that led to lying and the way you rationalized it to yourself. She also can't fully understand the withdrawal you're going through or the emotional attachments you're going to have to break. When you tell her about KTC, she'll be shocked that quitting is so difficult for you. In her mind, quitting means you just don't do it anymore and that if you keep dipping, it's because you must not love her enough.

What you need to do is to give it a few days, when the hurt is no longer so fresh. Find a calm moment and tell her that you want her to know that you're taking real steps to keep your promise and to get tobacco out of your life for good. Tell her about KTC and frame it in a way that communicates that you are serious about quitting and the site is a concrete, measurable step towards success.

Let her know you're going to be getting some random texts, you'll be checking your phone and posting daily.

Answer any follow ups she has as honestly as possible. You're airing out the laundry here, so just own it. You won't help yourself by tacking on another lie.

Let her decide how involved she wants to be. It's up to you if you want to let her read what's going on. Personally, I prefer my gal not to read the site just because it might make me filter myself more, and that's not what I want to do here.

There's a spousal support section here and many find that helpful. So that could be a good place to start.