One more new guy.

[Skods1]

Keep it up dude. Day 7 here and it is starting to get easier.

[11X4]

I did some figuring (hey, I DID learn something in college). Bear with me, this takes a little explaining.

When I started dipping I payed about $3.80 per can of worm dirt on average. I now pay $4.50. This, I realize, is lower than what a lot of folks pay. I live in Europe and work for the Army, so I can get it tax free.

The other important fact you need to know is that I average 1.5 cans of dip per day. In 2004 that costed $5.70. Last week it costed $6.25, a gain of 8.8% over time, or 1.76% per year (simple price increases, not compounded).

Assuming I did average 1.5 cans per day for 5 years (sometimes it was more, I admit, but letÂ’s keep it simple), my spending looked something like this:

2004. 1.5(3.80)(365)=$2080.50
2005. 1.5(3.93)(365)=$2151.67
2006. 1.5(4.02)(365)=$2200.95
2007. 1.5(4.21)(365)=$2304.97
2008. 1.5(4.50)(366)=$2470.50
TOTAL $11,208.59 (rounded)

THAT is a bunch of money. But it gets worse.

Take that amount and divide it by 60 (the number of months I was dipping) and you get $186.81 per month. I never had any idea that I was spending that much on dip. Never even crossed my mind to figure it out.

If I had taken that $186.81 per month and put it into a savings account making 2% a year I would now have $11,797.00.

If I had put it into one of those nice 5% savings accounts that are out there, I would have $12,757.00.

If I had put it into a fund that gained interest at the market rate, about 7.5%, I would have $13,759.00. If I had put it in more aggressive mutual funds and pulled it out when the markets started to turn south, God only knows what I might have had.

The funny thing about addiction is that you never seem to count the cost. In addition to wrecking my health, embarrassing myself in public, and submitting to wear the nic-bitchÂ’s chain around my neck for 5 years, I have been literally throwing money away. On WORM DIRT?! God, I wonder how I ever could afford it. I could have bought a Harley or put a nice deck on the back of my house with that money.

I am PISSED. I know you guys are pissed too. I hope this adds a little fuel to the fire. NO MORE DIPPING. STAY ON YOUR QUIT.

That is quite the math and another motivation for quitting for sure. But don't forget to factor in the cost of fixing the damage that has been done to that math. All of that math below applies to me too with a little inflation because not only did I have to pay taxes, I had to pay a shitload of em in taxachusetts. But I still don't know the complete cost of my addiction.

I go to the dentist now twice as much as I would have had to if I never dipped to keep my gums from receding any further. What if I've quit too late? What will the cost be if I have to miss a bunch of work for surgery on my mouth, my stomach, or somewhere else? What will the cost be on our families and loved ones?

The fact of the matter is that we've all made decisions that have added cost. All we can do now is realize that cost and make sure we don't do anything to add to it. And we will all make sure of that by making a constant decision to stay quit!

[Dips2much]

I did some figuring (hey, I DID learn something in college). Bear with me, this takes a little explaining.

When I started dipping I payed about $3.80 per can of worm dirt on average. I now pay $4.50. This, I realize, is lower than what a lot of folks pay. I live in Europe and work for the Army, so I can get it tax free.

The other important fact you need to know is that I average 1.5 cans of dip per day. In 2004 that costed $5.70. Last week it costed $6.25, a gain of 8.8% over time, or 1.76% per year (simple price increases, not compounded).

Assuming I did average 1.5 cans per day for 5 years (sometimes it was more, I admit, but letÂ’s keep it simple), my spending looked something like this:

2004. 1.5(3.80)(365)=$2080.50
2005. 1.5(3.93)(365)=$2151.67
2006. 1.5(4.02)(365)=$2200.95
2007. 1.5(4.21)(365)=$2304.97
2008. 1.5(4.50)(366)=$2470.50
TOTAL $11,208.59 (rounded)

THAT is a bunch of money. But it gets worse.

Take that amount and divide it by 60 (the number of months I was dipping) and you get $186.81 per month. I never had any idea that I was spending that much on dip. Never even crossed my mind to figure it out.

If I had taken that $186.81 per month and put it into a savings account making 2% a year I would now have $11,797.00.

If I had put it into one of those nice 5% savings accounts that are out there, I would have $12,757.00.

If I had put it into a fund that gained interest at the market rate, about 7.5%, I would have $13,759.00. If I had put it in more aggressive mutual funds and pulled it out when the markets started to turn south, God only knows what I might have had.

The funny thing about addiction is that you never seem to count the cost. In addition to wrecking my health, embarrassing myself in public, and submitting to wear the nic-bitchÂ’s chain around my neck for 5 years, I have been literally throwing money away. On WORM DIRT?! God, I wonder how I ever could afford it. I could have bought a Harley or put a nice deck on the back of my house with that money.

I am PISSED. I know you guys are pissed too. I hope this adds a little fuel to the fire. NO MORE DIPPING. STAY ON YOUR QUIT.

[bubblehed668]

You made the best choice of your life. Stay close to the site. Read the boards sit in chat do whatever it takes to keep that shit out of your piehole. You get pissed or furious, come on in here and lets us have it. We understand the why's. The family and wife's don't. There is a lot of folks on here that will help you out along the way. Maybe I'll see ou in chat later.

[ndrooster1]

Hi everybody,

My name is Andy and I have been hooked on dip for 5 years. I am up to 2 cans a day. I've tried cutting back, I've tried gum and patches and all that happy stuff. Obviously that junk doesn't work. What works is getting through the part where it hurts, getting clean of the nic, and getting clear of the habits.

I've gone cold turkey before but after a week or two the mind-job starts to get to me. I get bored, get pissed, get furious, and then go get a can of skoal and get it over with.

I'm going cold turkey. I am 5 hours in, and right now I swear it aches all the way to my toenails.

Glad I found a bunch of guys who are doing more than just sitting around crying about it. Hell, I figure I need to be yelled at anyway.

Thanks,

Andy
(Dips2much)

Hey Andy, welcome.

Congrats on the decision to quit - and btw, you're right about the gums, patches and pills. Cold turkey is the only way to go. "Embrace the suck" as they say in here; make yourself feel every bit of pain so that you won't ever want to go through it again! You got yourself into this mess, good job manning up and beating it.

I gotta correct you on one thing though - there are plenty of people on this site that do nothing but sit around cry about it (just wait til you meet some of the peeps in your May quit group). In fact, it's encouraged. Come in here and fuckin rage whenever you need to. We're all going through it too so let out your anger, frustration and pussy-boy tears in here - just don't take it out on your family, friends, or work life.

Again, congrats and welcome!

Welcome andy!!! Cold turkey is the way I am quitting too. Get the poison out of your system ASAP!

Welcome Andy, Stay the course no matter how hard it gets, it will be worth it. One can always find a excuse to chew and anger is often a trigger..let it out here. Just remember this site ain't about toimorrow -- it is about today -- quit for today, worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Make a plan to fight the urges - especialy important on a weekend where we seem to have more triggers while having fun and relaxin from the work week. Fake shit, spit seeds, gum, drink lots of water and cut the caffine, exercise and I'm sure some of the other more graphic ways to get your mind away from the trigger to chew will show up shortly! :rolleyes: The thing is stay true to your word to quit no matter what. Chewin was easy, this is the hardest thing you will ever do in your life right now.

Way to make a good decision for the rest of your life - one day at a time.

[Radoo]

Hi everybody,

My name is Andy and I have been hooked on dip for 5 years. I am up to 2 cans a day. I've tried cutting back, I've tried gum and patches and all that happy stuff. Obviously that junk doesn't work. What works is getting through the part where it hurts, getting clean of the nic, and getting clear of the habits.

I've gone cold turkey before but after a week or two the mind-job starts to get to me. I get bored, get pissed, get furious, and then go get a can of skoal and get it over with.

I'm going cold turkey. I am 5 hours in, and right now I swear it aches all the way to my toenails.

Glad I found a bunch of guys who are doing more than just sitting around crying about it. Hell, I figure I need to be yelled at anyway.

Thanks,

Andy
(Dips2much)

Hey Andy, welcome.

Congrats on the decision to quit - and btw, you're right about the gums, patches and pills. Cold turkey is the only way to go. "Embrace the suck" as they say in here; make yourself feel every bit of pain so that you won't ever want to go through it again! You got yourself into this mess, good job manning up and beating it.

I gotta correct you on one thing though - there are plenty of people on this site that do nothing but sit around cry about it (just wait til you meet some of the peeps in your May quit group). In fact, it's encouraged. Come in here and fuckin rage whenever you need to. We're all going through it too so let out your anger, frustration and pussy-boy tears in here - just don't take it out on your family, friends, or work life.

Again, congrats and welcome!

Welcome andy!!! Cold turkey is the way I am quitting too. Get the poison out of your system ASAP!

[BigHoss44]

Hi everybody,

My name is Andy and I have been hooked on dip for 5 years. I am up to 2 cans a day. I've tried cutting back, I've tried gum and patches and all that happy stuff. Obviously that junk doesn't work. What works is getting through the part where it hurts, getting clean of the nic, and getting clear of the habits.

I've gone cold turkey before but after a week or two the mind-job starts to get to me. I get bored, get pissed, get furious, and then go get a can of skoal and get it over with.

I'm going cold turkey. I am 5 hours in, and right now I swear it aches all the way to my toenails.

Glad I found a bunch of guys who are doing more than just sitting around crying about it. Hell, I figure I need to be yelled at anyway.

Thanks,

Andy
(Dips2much)

Hey Andy, welcome.

Congrats on the decision to quit - and btw, you're right about the gums, patches and pills. Cold turkey is the only way to go. "Embrace the suck" as they say in here; make yourself feel every bit of pain so that you won't ever want to go through it again! You got yourself into this mess, good job manning up and beating it.

I gotta correct you on one thing though - there are plenty of people on this site that do nothing but sit around cry about it (just wait til you meet some of the peeps in your May quit group). In fact, it's encouraged. Come in here and fuckin rage whenever you need to. We're all going through it too so let out your anger, frustration and pussy-boy tears in here - just don't take it out on your family, friends, or work life.

Again, congrats and welcome!

[duke_B_D]

Hey bud, yea it sucks that shit starts hurting and throbbing when you put a huge dipper in there! FUCK IT....don't think about all the things you do while you used to chew. they're better without a chew anyway. Don't have to worry about going to the store and having to toss your dip, you can go and do anything you want without having it in there!

[Dips2much]

Hi everybody,

My name is Andy and I have been hooked on dip for 5 years. I am up to 2 cans a day. I've tried cutting back, I've tried gum and patches and all that happy stuff. Obviously that junk doesn't work. What works is getting through the part where it hurts, getting clean of the nic, and getting clear of the habits.

I've gone cold turkey before but after a week or two the mind-job starts to get to me. I get bored, get pissed, get furious, and then go get a can of skoal and get it over with.

I'm going cold turkey. I am 5 hours in, and right now I swear it aches all the way to my toenails.

Glad I found a bunch of guys who are doing more than just sitting around crying about it. Hell, I figure I need to be yelled at anyway.

Thanks,

Andy
(Dips2much)