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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 08:35:00 AM »
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Quote from: hogcoach
I understand painkillers did not derail me I did. My goal was to help somebody else. After so many years of never an urge to did, to all of sudden begin having withdrawl symptoms  again was weird.  I was weak, but the urge came from somewhere.  I just like others to be aware of painkillers.
That's all great. I see you haven't visited the site since this last post....train still on the tracks?
Yes.

Sorry....off topic.

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2010, 08:12:00 PM »
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I understand painkillers did not derail me I did. My goal was to help somebody else. After so many years of never an urge to did, to all of sudden begin having withdrawl symptoms again was weird. I was weak, but the urge came from somewhere. I just like others to be aware of painkillers.
That's all great. I see you haven't visited the site since this last post....train still on the tracks?

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 06:24:00 PM »
I understand painkillers did not derail me I did. My goal was to help somebody else. After so many years of never an urge to did, to all of sudden begin having withdrawl symptoms again was weird. I was weak, but the urge came from somewhere. I just like others to be aware of painkillers.

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 12:29:00 PM »
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Glad you are here. You need to head over to Feb 2011 and post your word with your group.

You know how to do this so lets get it done. Read everything you can on the site. There are many fantastic posts that will help you understand our addiction.

Below is a recent one that I really like by Skoal Monster

To friends unmet,

I bought a ticket to this ride long ago, maybe you did too. I was too young to understand the consequences, I was too young to care, I was invincible and I liked the buzz. What chance does a kid have against billions of dollars in advertising? I believed that dip was a crutch, that it somehow helped me, that it calmed me, that I could get thru any of life's roller coasters with a can at my side. I thought of it as a friend. It defined me.

I didn't realize how wrong I was.

Nicotine is not a crutch its a ball and chain. It never helped me, I only thought it did. It never helped you either. The relief we felt from chewing was a result of two things only.

First we were relieving the anxiety caused by withdrawl symptoms. Stress reduces the time nic stays in your blood stream, this causes withdrawl. So we crave a fix. When you recieve your dose of nic and eliminate the withdrawl symptoms you feel better. It NEVER HELPED THE PROBLEM, but we believed it did because we felt better, calmer, etc. Fact is, if you were not addicted to nicotine you could have handled the problem calmly and easily in the first place. The addiction made it harder.

Second, the act of taking a chew usually removed us physically or mentally from the problem. I generally preferred to stuff that crap in my mouth in private. I would walk away from fights, or simply give in so I could leave and have a dip. This was simple problem avoidance. But somehow my simple mind believed that it was the dip that was making me feel better. In reality I could have taken a walk, or mowed the lawn, or taken a drive and accomplished the same thing.


Play out that scenario daily for years on end and it gets burned into your mind. A dip will solve your problems. We tell the story over and over and over until we believe it as gospel. I lived the lie for 23 years. I never even learned how to handle conflict without it. Didn't even think I could.

I've seen 1,000 day quitters and day one quitters crumble under this lie. The mistaken belief that somehow a dip will help. I've seen quitters cave after a death in the family, a job loss, a car wreck, financial setbacks, failed marriages, all believing that a dip will help them handle the crisis. It doesn't. That's just a imaginary belief leftover from years of lying and addiction.


I have a friend I never met, she recently relapsed. Personal problems and emotional pain from lifes shit storms drove her back to the can. I asked her a simple question,

" didn't help did it?"

The response was....... "no"

the response is always no, if it helped cavers wouldn't try to quit again.

I have another friend I've yet to meet, quit for close to 2 years, and he is walking on the edge as well. Looking for a crutch, some way to soothe the hurt. He craves a dip, to help him get thru the rough patch. I've felt this way as well, I understand the power of the lie that dip is a crutch, a friend, a help. I know that it won't help and I suspect he does too, but because I believed it for so long, and reinforced it with every stressed out dip I still hold on to it in the part of me that will always be an addict.

After 651 days quit, I find this to be the most dangerous use rationalization for a long term quitter. The mistaken belief that nicotine is a emotional or physical crutch. Life sucks sometimes and I don't know much, but I know that a dip won't make it suck any less. The only thing that shit is good for is keeping you addicted to nicotine. Stay quit

sm

Read this
http://www.killthecan.org/robs/anger.asp

http://www.killthecan.org/robs/stress.asp
I hadn't read this page on 'Anger', but I found it very helpful to read. I think I am going through this exact thing right now. I always considered myself a very non-confrontational person, or atleast as far back as I remember, which probably means as far back as I was a dipper. I have noticed that during the past 22 days of my quit that I speak up more and even argue a little more. Certain things I would have overlooked or shrugged off kind of tick me off now. Most of it has to do with things my roomates do, since I spend the most time with them. I thought at first that they had changed, but obviously I am wrong, the biggest change has been my quitting dip and learning to deal with arguments/aggravations the natural way. I feel horrible that my communication actually was affected by that damn NIC bitch, and even feel bad for getting angrier than normal with my good friends now just b/c I let it build up over the years. Also related, my girlfriend bailed on me about 6 months ago and it seemed pretty out-of-the-blue to me, but a recurring complaint of hers was that I didn't communicate well. Standard girl complaint, but I'm starting to think the dip was to blame. Just another reason I'm never going back. But I do hope this anger problem of mine gets better soon...?

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 12:18:00 AM »
Painkillers didn't derail you. You derailed you.

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2010, 08:32:00 PM »
Glad you are here. You need to head over to Feb 2011 and post your word with your group.

You know how to do this so lets get it done. Read everything you can on the site. There are many fantastic posts that will help you understand our addiction.

Below is a recent one that I really like by Skoal Monster

To friends unmet,

I bought a ticket to this ride long ago, maybe you did too. I was too young to understand the consequences, I was too young to care, I was invincible and I liked the buzz. What chance does a kid have against billions of dollars in advertising? I believed that dip was a crutch, that it somehow helped me, that it calmed me, that I could get thru any of life's roller coasters with a can at my side. I thought of it as a friend. It defined me.

I didn't realize how wrong I was.

Nicotine is not a crutch its a ball and chain. It never helped me, I only thought it did. It never helped you either. The relief we felt from chewing was a result of two things only.

First we were relieving the anxiety caused by withdrawl symptoms. Stress reduces the time nic stays in your blood stream, this causes withdrawl. So we crave a fix. When you recieve your dose of nic and eliminate the withdrawl symptoms you feel better. It NEVER HELPED THE PROBLEM, but we believed it did because we felt better, calmer, etc. Fact is, if you were not addicted to nicotine you could have handled the problem calmly and easily in the first place. The addiction made it harder.

Second, the act of taking a chew usually removed us physically or mentally from the problem. I generally preferred to stuff that crap in my mouth in private. I would walk away from fights, or simply give in so I could leave and have a dip. This was simple problem avoidance. But somehow my simple mind believed that it was the dip that was making me feel better. In reality I could have taken a walk, or mowed the lawn, or taken a drive and accomplished the same thing.


Play out that scenario daily for years on end and it gets burned into your mind. A dip will solve your problems. We tell the story over and over and over until we believe it as gospel. I lived the lie for 23 years. I never even learned how to handle conflict without it. Didn't even think I could.

I've seen 1,000 day quitters and day one quitters crumble under this lie. The mistaken belief that somehow a dip will help. I've seen quitters cave after a death in the family, a job loss, a car wreck, financial setbacks, failed marriages, all believing that a dip will help them handle the crisis. It doesn't. That's just a imaginary belief leftover from years of lying and addiction.


I have a friend I never met, she recently relapsed. Personal problems and emotional pain from lifes shit storms drove her back to the can. I asked her a simple question,

" didn't help did it?"

The response was....... "no"

the response is always no, if it helped cavers wouldn't try to quit again.

I have another friend I've yet to meet, quit for close to 2 years, and he is walking on the edge as well. Looking for a crutch, some way to soothe the hurt. He craves a dip, to help him get thru the rough patch. I've felt this way as well, I understand the power of the lie that dip is a crutch, a friend, a help. I know that it won't help and I suspect he does too, but because I believed it for so long, and reinforced it with every stressed out dip I still hold on to it in the part of me that will always be an addict.

After 651 days quit, I find this to be the most dangerous use rationalization for a long term quitter. The mistaken belief that nicotine is a emotional or physical crutch. Life sucks sometimes and I don't know much, but I know that a dip won't make it suck any less. The only thing that shit is good for is keeping you addicted to nicotine. Stay quit

sm

Read this
http://www.killthecan.org/robs/anger.asp

http://www.killthecan.org/robs/stress.asp

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Re: Painkillers derailed me
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2010, 07:42:00 PM »
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Painkillers derailed me
« on: November 14, 2010, 07:35:00 PM »
I had quit for 9 years after a 15 year Skoal Longcut Straight habit. It was hard but I did it and never once had the urge for a dip. Until, I had my knee replaced 2 years ago. After that surgery I had to take pain killers to rehab my knee. A few months after that surgery I had more urges to dip again after not having them for years. It was like when I quit. The only connection I can make is the medications I was taking. Unfortunately, I picked up the can and went back to my bad habit for a year and a 1/2. I have begun to quit again. I am presently on day 7.