Dear Quitnow
I forgot who you were, til I read the whole thread. Then I went to April09 on Lite and read it from today back to your 86th day. SNORE! At which point I lost interest. Your not a half bad quitter so I retract most of the beastiality slams. Although I get the impression your a vet? and you do like to use the word DOGmatic. In any case I have quoted you directly from your own posts, the majority are in full so as not to be taken out of context. I fail to see your motive to come here and say something so offensive about a person dying because they were driven away by our method of quit and lack of support for NRT use. Are you trying to justify it for yourself? Either way I don't care, your own posts detail what is wrong with NRT use. I'm glad it worked for you, but your obviously conflicted about it. My suggestion is that you accept that our two sites are yin and yang. This is a hard edge group with a single criteria of success, yours is different. There is no purpose in you pushing your agenda in here other than to confuse and anger the members Take your shit back to lite and post it in that abomination you call a quit group. I agree with Smokeys original assessment that this thread should just sink to the bottom of page 9 . I won't get sucked into this any more. Thanks for the read tho, it just solidifies my own quit and thankfulness that I am here with serious quitters.
but I have to remember I cannot master the nicotine in a complete sense. The best I can do is not use it. And that's the sense I take it when people talk of having mastery or control, as that is the only sense that is reasonable.
June 16th 09. Your argument is valid, the law of addiction supports this. How does NRT use fit in with this. You either use a substance and maintain your addiction in some form, or you don't.
My crutch was the nicotine gum, and it was tough to give it up but I did wean myself off it.
This would seem to validate the theory of dragging out the physical aspect . Agree?
I have a confession. I caved this morning.
I made it 121 days... 4 months.
I've been concerned for some time about my replacement therapy.... nicotine gum, energy drinks and most seriously, too much beer drinking.
May 20 2009, 07:58 AM This guy was in your group at QSLite, This is a excellent example of why I hate NRT's . This guy was never quit. At 4 months he was deluded into thinking he had somehow quit. Again, you gotta understand that this ISNT about tobacco, it is about nicotine. He was still physically addicted. In my mind this is a trap. He had a false belief that he was stronger than he was, further along in recovery. He was lying to himself. How is that quitting, where is the support in allowing a fellow addict to delude himself? At best your complicit.
That said, if I have to choose (and I do) nic gum versus no nicotine in my system, I go with the no nicotine. I think I still have some reservations about nic gum that I don't about dip. I still have tons of nicotine gum all over the place. I should probably get rid of it. At some point, when I feel more secure in my nic quit, I will write not just my HOF speech, but a whole bunch of crap about what it was like quitting using the nic gum. I'm still processing how it made my quit different from people who didn't make the gum part of their plan. Short version: it helped a lot, but did make for a slightly different quit trajectory. Upshot: I couldn't have done it without it, and I'd do it again the same way, but those that didn't use it my hat is off to you.
I have no issue with your personal success, I firmly believe you succeeded in spite of the NRT and not because of them. Again, think hard about the law of addiction. When you reintroduce nicotine to your body your brain lights up all the old nicotine receptors putting you back into a crave mode. Are you under some illusion that nicotine in and of itself isn't bad? I agree it is "less" dangerous than dipping, but still carries all the same baggage of addiction, withdrawls, health. What's the point?
This place was the last resort for me. Dip kicked my ass, hard. I tried so many fucking times to have "just one can." I went years without a dip only to have "just one can" that it took me four years to put down. And here I am. I am under no illusion that I can do this shit safely.
The fact that you finally figured out that there is no just one, and felt you were in a "last resort" scenario is one of the reasons your successful. It took alot of years for my dumbass to realize that I couldn't have just one. When I finally swallowed that pill, I quit......for real. I'm guessing your the same.
One thing I noticed: I used the nicotine gum to help me quit. It's been about a month or so now since I've chewed it. One cool thing about my quit is that usually my cravings aren't for dip, but for nicotine gum. For me, that's a safe crave in some ways. If I chew a piece of nic gum, I would consider that a bad thing, a relapse of sorts, but nothing as bad as going back to dip.
Either way, when I think about using nicotine gum or dip, I feel sick to my stomach. The fact is if we dip now we will get nauseated. It will not be fun. We have no tolerance. So the nic bitch is just lying if she is telling you that you would enjoy the dip. Believe me, I've relapsed after long periods quit, and the first dip was awful. I feel sick just thinking about it.
You start to get it here, at the end, but you miss. Going back to nicotine gum is going back to dipping is becoming an addict all over. You document craving an NRT, you demonstrate both a desire for and acceptance of nic gum. This also shows that at this stage you still viewed it as safe. The second paragraph shows where your turning the corner. THIS CONFLICT HAS TO PROVE TO YOU THAT NICOTINE IS THE PROBLEM. The delivery method is irrelevent.
This refers to your use of Snus, please explain how "this" nicotine delivery system is different that nicotine gum? Give you a hint, it's not. You actually even see it here when you highlight the fact that it will ultimately lead back to addiction.
I used it a couple of times when I was trying to quit, before I found this site. It didn't help. I was back to the Skoal within a day. It's like Skoal Bandits for girls, basically, with a lower percentage of tobacco and more weird flavors and spices added. If you like real dip, this stuff will basically make you crave Skoal because it is so weak. They even market it as not needing to spit.
In terms of safety issues, it is true that it seems to not cause oral cancer. Its use is extremely high in Sweden, where they have basically zero oral cancer.
That said, there are still other risks as you mentioned. For one, brown teeth, cavities, all that negative oral hygeine stuff. Then there's the cost, the fact that you would once again be addicted to nicotine.
sM
P.S. - Apple fucking skoal? Really ? Apple ? I guess it would still kill you but fuck.
