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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2014, 04:30:00 PM »
You're coming up on 30 days quit. Prior to that you wanted to rationalize, to strategize, to slowly wean yourself off, but didn't really address the simple act of being quit.

Now look at you. You are quit. One day at a time.

As it turns out, the best plan to get over the obstacle was to stop using the obstacle.

How does it feel to be executing the plan for nearly a month now?

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2014, 11:55:00 AM »
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Day 5 is almost done. Mornings aren't that bad, the evenings though... all I do after chow is sit in my room, miss my wife, and wait for sleep which usually takes its sweet ass time. I know the nicotine is out of my system but I would kill for a nice fat lip right about now. I wonder how bad the fake dip is for you, because I have been packing bombs with Hooch mint. Obviously it's still better than real dip.
The fake dip is nowhere near as bad for you as the nicotine. Best I can figure, the biggest issue with the fake is just pressure on your gums. There is nothing in those cans that are really bad for you, you are just going to continue pressuring your gums. I used fake for probably 75 days or so of my quit. Bottom line, keep using it if that is what is helping you. I can't relate the circumstances of my quit to yours, because I am not down range, but do whatever you have to do to stay quit and keep your mind off. I noticed you said alcohol isn't an issue there, and that is a great thing. Alcohol has killed so many quits so early on. It just isn't worth it.

The nicotine is out of your system, but your brain is still wired to having that feeling in your lip. At this point, it is just a mindset, but it is powerful to say the least. This is where the Hooch is clutch. It helped me so much, and then I just eventually stopped.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2014, 07:56:00 AM »
Day 5 is almost done. Mornings aren't that bad, the evenings though... all I do after chow is sit in my room, miss my wife, and wait for sleep which usually takes its sweet ass time. I know the nicotine is out of my system but I would kill for a nice fat lip right about now. I wonder how bad the fake dip is for you, because I have been packing bombs with Hooch mint. Obviously it's still better than real dip.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2014, 10:08:00 AM »
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Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.
It's temporary, man.

The pain is temporary.

Being quit is epic.

Do you think those we read about in the history books made it directly there? Nope. They fucking walked the walk one step at a time. We'd like to think that we just find ourselves quit one day, but it's a lot of trending towards quit before we feel quit. It's being badass like you and saying "fuck off" to the offered pinch. It's getting through breakfast and praying that lunch comes to prove to ourselves that time is not standing still in this.

Eventually, you will get to have rational thoughts again. Your first thought won't be about the stuff, and it won't be on your mind all day. In fact, that day is approaching rapidly. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Keep being badass. Watch with optimism and caution as you approach the tunnel's exit. Most importantly....keep on deciding to be quit.

It's fucking epic.
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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2014, 08:44:00 AM »
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Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.
It's temporary, man.

The pain is temporary.

Being quit is epic.

Do you think those we read about in the history books made it directly there? Nope. They fucking walked the walk one step at a time. We'd like to think that we just find ourselves quit one day, but it's a lot of trending towards quit before we feel quit. It's being badass like you and saying "fuck off" to the offered pinch. It's getting through breakfast and praying that lunch comes to prove to ourselves that time is not standing still in this.

Eventually, you will get to have rational thoughts again. Your first thought won't be about the stuff, and it won't be on your mind all day. In fact, that day is approaching rapidly. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Keep being badass. Watch with optimism and caution as you approach the tunnel's exit. Most importantly....keep on deciding to be quit.

It's fucking epic.
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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2014, 07:24:00 AM »
Day 3 is almost done. jtbrown, Tuco, Pinched, Scowick, thanks for all the advice. Day 3 has been the worst so far. I cleaned my CHU out last night and threw out 2 more cans I found hidden away. Alcohol won't be a problem where I am at so that's a plus. Saw some of my guys dipping today, I wanted a pinch so damn bad, they even offered me some. I said fuck off I am good. Gotta quit like fuck. I had to take the idea of just making through today to just making it to the next meal. After my morning workout just gotta make it to breakfast, after breakfast just gotta make it to lunch, after lunch just gotta make it to the gym, now that I just got outta the gym I just have to make it to dinner. The fog was way worse yesterday, Red Bull worked like a charm this morning for the fog, the headaches though have been out of control today. I will definitely take the headaches over cancer or losing my jaw. QLF.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2014, 03:42:00 PM »
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.

As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll  keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.

A few more things:

1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.
When do the cravings end? Well frankly today I am on day 480 and I still have cravings and triggers. I too have been surrounded by dipping idiots my whole life and still am. I could very easily walk 5' and bum a dip, but I don't because I quit like fuck and nothing will change that. Our stories are very similar however, I wish I had the balls to quit when I was younger. When I get a craving I think about all the years that my wife had to kiss me while my breath stank of cat turds, or the years my kids had to step around my spit puddles.

Then as the craving sets in now I exercise, take a walk, do burpees or push-ups until they go away or anything. The cravings will linger, so your resolve to stay quit has to be ever so present. I always have cinnamon candies and a can of fake on me at all times just in case. Remember the 6Ps and you will be fine (Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) as will your quit.
Addiction, Self-Identity and 1 Day at a Time.

Breaking the physical addiction to nic is simple. It is unpleasant, but simple, and only lasts 72 hours.

The psychological component to quitting is the real journey. Begin the journey by inventing a new self-identity. The Quitter.

Say, “I AM QUIT”.

You are not “quitting”. You are not “trying” to quit. You ARE quit. It is a state of being. The psychological term is “Identity Development”. There is no try, there is. It is now part of your identity. “Quit” is who you are.

72 hours of physical withdrawal is nothing to the user because the user has been managing physical withdrawal symptoms the entire duration of the addiction. What is scary? Can the addict fundamentally change his/her Self-Identity? Can the addict quit for the rest of his/her life? Quit for the rest of your life? How is that possible? These notions can scare a potential quitter into choosing addiction over freedom.

There is good news. You do not have to quit for the rest of your life. Simply choose to quit today. Do not worry about baseball next March. Do not worry about next monthÂ’s exams. Do not worry about TuesdayÂ’s deadline. Quit today. The body will adjust. The psyche will adjust. You will gradually and often unnoticeably reinvent what it is to be you. You shall be restored one day at a time.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2014, 12:32:00 PM »
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Quote from: jtbrown
Quote from: J4893
So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.

As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll  keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.

A few more things:

1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.
When do the cravings end? Well frankly today I am on day 480 and I still have cravings and triggers. I too have been surrounded by dipping idiots my whole life and still am. I could very easily walk 5' and bum a dip, but I don't because I quit like fuck and nothing will change that. Our stories are very similar however, I wish I had the balls to quit when I was younger. When I get a craving I think about all the years that my wife had to kiss me while my breath stank of cat turds, or the years my kids had to step around my spit puddles.

Then as the craving sets in now I exercise, take a walk, do burpees or push-ups until they go away or anything. The cravings will linger, so your resolve to stay quit has to be ever so present. I always have cinnamon candies and a can of fake on me at all times just in case. Remember the 6Ps and you will be fine (Proper Preperation Prevents Piss Poor Performance) as will your quit.
"If you want to quit then stop talking and just QUIT. If you want to kill yourself a bullet is cheaper and faster than a tin, plus it eliminates my hearing you whine and cry like a bitch."

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2014, 11:24:00 AM »
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.
JT nailed it. First, you need to go on an all-out search and destroy mission and round up every last tin you can find. Flip couch cushions and toss bunks if you have to. Take every one you find and dump its contents in the toilet (or latrine, in military parlance). Second, no trophy cans. Do not keep any cans lying around as a "symbol" of your strength or your resolve to quit. All they are is a fall-back plan to cave. If you want a trophy, order up a HoF coin from the site after you hit 100 days. They're 100% less cancerous. Third, it's time to get pissed. The nic rage is going to fuel that anger initially, but you need to make sure it's focused in the right direction: the nic bitch and your addict brain for letting her run the show for so damn long.

As for your question about craves, I'm 103 days in and I still get them daily. Nothing major, mostly just a popcorn fart of a crave that passes in a few minutes, but they're still there. For some guys, they say that the craves ended by the 30 day mark and other guys went a full year before the routine craves eventually subsided. That's why it isn't very useful to measure and compare your quit to anyone else's. You're going to have the craves you have until you don't. Either way, all of that stuff is something that happens at some point down the road. Don't worry about that. Focus on today. Focus on the two things you can absolutely do today (post roll  keep your word) and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.

A few more things:

1) Start reaching out to your quit brothers and build up your support network. You are absolutely, positively, 100% going to need it and I can personally guarantee that it will save your ass more than once. Don't just post roll and then go it alone. You'll be missing out on the vast majority of what KTC is all about.
2) Start making a plan for the weekend now. A lot of young quits don't make it to the Monday after their first weekend nic-free, so start devising your plan now on how you are going to tackle your triggers.
3) Alcohol kills young quits, too. I'm not sure if you're a drinker, but if you are, seriously consider ditching the booze for the first 30 days or so. At least until you're back on solid footing again.
4) You can absolutely do this. Just take it one day at a time.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2014, 10:19:00 AM »
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So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.
First thing you need to do, is get rid of that mindset. You are putting the nic bitch up on a pedestal, when you need to have your foot on her neck pinning her down. There is absolutely no reason to cut it that close. You find a can, you go dump it out. Then you find every other can you might possibly have anywhere you go, and you dump those. Empty, full, I don't give a shit. Throw them out. This early in your quit, the temptation does not need to be any stronger than it already is. Own your quit. Good job on getting Hooch, but you screwed up by packing and even thinking about that Grizzly. Never again, man. Never again.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2014, 09:23:00 AM »
So day 2 is almost over . I got back to my CHU after dinner and picked up one of my bags to get something. What did I find? A nice can of Grizzly. I stared at it for a good couple minutes, started to pack it, opened it up and stopped. I thought about my boy on the way, I thought about everyone on here calling me out, most of all I just got pissed and threw the fuckin can outside. Now I am enjoying a nice fat lip of hooch. For all you HOFers, how long until the cravings die down? I am sure I will always crave it when I see someone using it, but how long until I don't want one every hour? I was a tin a day guy, if I wasn't running or eating I had one in.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2014, 01:21:00 AM »
Alright, on day 2 of my quit. Day 1 wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. Strong urge after dinner, nothing some toothpicks and gum couldn't take care of. This morning I would have given my right nut for a nice fat lip of skoal. Toothpicks are becoming my new best friend, keeps me busy, no spit, no cancer. Have some serious fog going on though; it was definitely hard to concentrate this morning. Thank God for Red Bull.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2014, 08:42:00 AM »
Yo, where yo quit at?
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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2014, 08:37:00 AM »
Alright, buddy. Today's the day you set. It's time. You know it and I know it. Quitting isn't going to get any easier, and around here we quit one way only: cold turkey.

Post up your Day 1 roll in the February quit group and then let's get to this.

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Re: Plan v Obstacles
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2014, 09:19:00 PM »
Lots of military on here. When it comes to being quit, what does that matter? An addict is an addict. Nobody has a worse or easier addiction. Once addicted, always addicted. The key is to agree with these facts and work your way to flushing the poison, posting a day 1 and keeping your promise. Wake up, do it again. It sucks for awhile but it gets better.

Stop being a pussy. Husband, father. Before you toss that last lipper tonight, look in the mirror and tell me...pride or disgust??