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Re: 12 days
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2009, 11:14:00 AM »
NKT I love you description of hearing the car pulling up while on dip. I did the exact same thiing. Run to the sink, spit it out , and then hurry up and cover it up before the wife and girl come in the door. Then acting like nothing had happened when they come in. Its nice to not have to worry about stupid things like that nowdays. One of many good reasons to be quit. You can DO this a day at a time.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2009, 09:51:00 AM »
Lot's of good stuff in your post, NKT.

You get it. There's a guy in here (11X4) who helped me very early in my quit. What did he do? Well, he analyzed some of my words and semantics. It all came down to the same thing you discovered when the store guy asked if you were "trying to quit". There is a giant difference in saying "I have quit" as compared to "I'm trying to quit".

Keep the power in your quit. Don't give it to the nic bitch.

Another fellow you will meet in here is Ready. His signature says it all: "Caving is NOT an option". He's saying the same thing. You have made a decision to quit. There is a lot of power in that. Way more than the nic bitch has over you. Your quit is power.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 08:36:00 AM »
Observations from the first week off of nicotine:

Days 1-3 were easier than I expected: a little spaced out, feeling like my skin was going to crawl off of my body, but really no big deal. I was lucky that nothing too demanding came up at work.

Day 4 was horrible – intense cravings, thick fog, really pissed at everything. I was glad I had a heavy bag hanging in my back yard; I put it to good use.

Day 5 was better, a much less intense version of day 4

Day 6 was better still. More mind games today but easy to shut down if I caught it early.


Random thoughts and experiences from the week:

I found an old journal from 1999, it had a quit date and plan spelled out. I donÂ’t remember exactly, but I think that one lasted about four hours into my usual chewing schedule. I don't think any quit attempt in the past 12 years lasted longer than about six hours.

After going to what seemed like every gas station and cigar shop in the county and getting blank looks when I asked if they had non-tobacco chew (some tried pointing me to the fruit-flavored skoal), I asked the owner of the little quickie-mart where I used to buy my chew to start carrying herbal snuff. When he got it in a couple of days later, I bought a couple of cans and he asked me "are you trying to quit?". At that moment something clicked into place in my mind and I responded "no... I am quitting. I'm done for good; never again."

I figured out why all of my previous quits had failed to go beyond a few hours. My approach had been all wrong; I had been planning to fail without realizing it. I had given myself permission to cave before the quit even began. I had given myself up as a lost cause, knowing that I would chew for the rest of my life. As soon as I realized this, I made a shift of attitude. I adopted the attitude that withdrawals and cravings are not necessarily a bad thing, they are a sign of healing. I stopped trying to shut them out and gave myself permission to experience them. I completely eliminated going back to nicotine as an option; I know that I can NEVER do that again.

My wife and daughter came home at the end of day 5. It was a great experience to not be hiding anything when they came home. Before this quit started, the homecoming would have been something like this: hear the car enter the driveway, spit out the dip, quick swish with water, take a big mouthful of some beverage that hides the taste and swish for as much time as I have before she gets to the door, swallow, be taking one more sip as she walks through the door, and then act like I'm busy doing something so I don't have to kiss her and risk her smelling some residual traces of the dip. This time was much better: I walked out to the car, kissed my wife and 15-month-old daughter, and started helping unpack the car.That felt great.

I have finally experienced what it means to make a decision with full conviction behind it; I donÂ’t think IÂ’ve done that before in my 31 years. I truly believe that the skills I'm learning now in overcoming this addiction will improve my life far beyond just being free of nicotine.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2009, 04:25:00 PM »
Quote from: Smokeyg
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Be careful of the above quote.  All you need to worry about is not chewing tobacco today. 

I 100% agree with copefiend.  Honesty is very liberating.  However, I never told any of the other teachers at my work that I used to chew.  I didn't see the point and it's still something I'm embarrassed by.  Of course, I was known to ninja dip while teaching class at times. 

Fuck me...they had to have known.
Yes, not chewing today is the most important thing. Come back and read this in a month or so.

I stand by the honesty stuff, but in the early quit, I didn't give a shit about honesty. Listen to Smokeyg - He is the Ru Paul of quit.

Hang in there NKT!

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2009, 01:44:00 PM »
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... I canÂ’t afford to be going through a set of really severe withdrawl symptoms because nobody in my life, aside from my wife, knows I used to chew, or that IÂ’m quitting now. And even my wife doesnÂ’t have any idea how bad my problem was/is.
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Welcome NKT!

Congratulations on your new opportunity!! (more specifically, your decision to quit)

Nobody knows you dipped, eh? That's what they call a ninja dipper. I was the best. Nobody knew about my habit. I was an expert at hiding it (my wife didn't know for over a year until she found my stash in our new car). I developed lies I could use to tell others that would help me dip, e.g. bad case of constripation (stay in bathroom longer to dip). I lingered in the car, e.g. took long way to or from work or errands to dip. Any of this sound familiar?

Part of staying quit, I think, means undoing the hiding and lying. Being honest to myself and to others about my habit has and continues to provide tremendous reinforcement of my decision to quit.

So, my advice to you is to replace all of that lying and hiding with a good dose of honesty.

You will be amazed in many cases when you tell someone that you have quit chew - "They'll say, I didn't know you did that. That's really hard to quit. Congratulations!" I have found so much support at work and from friends by simply coming clean and telling them I dipped for 12 years.
Be careful of the above quote. All you need to worry about is not chewing tobacco today.

I 100% agree with copefiend. Honesty is very liberating. However, I never told any of the other teachers at my work that I used to chew. I didn't see the point and it's still something I'm embarrassed by. Of course, I was known to ninja dip while teaching class at times.

Fuck me...they had to have known.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 08:25:00 AM »
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... I canÂ’t afford to be going through a set of really severe withdrawl symptoms because nobody in my life, aside from my wife, knows I used to chew, or that IÂ’m quitting now. And even my wife doesnÂ’t have any idea how bad my problem was/is.
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Welcome NKT!

Congratulations on your new opportunity!! (more specifically, your decision to quit)

Nobody knows you dipped, eh? That's what they call a ninja dipper. I was the best. Nobody knew about my habit. I was an expert at hiding it (my wife didn't know for over a year until she found my stash in our new car). I developed lies I could use to tell others that would help me dip, e.g. bad case of constripation (stay in bathroom longer to dip). I lingered in the car, e.g. took long way to or from work or errands to dip. Any of this sound familiar?

Part of staying quit, I think, means undoing the hiding and lying. Being honest to myself and to others about my habit has and continues to provide tremendous reinforcement of my decision to quit.

So, my advice to you is to replace all of that lying and hiding with a good dose of honesty.

You will be amazed in many cases when you tell someone that you have quit chew - "They'll say, I didn't know you did that. That's really hard to quit. Congratulations!" I have found so much support at work and from friends by simply coming clean and telling them I dipped for 12 years.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 12:24:00 AM »
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Yep, tossed it all today. Cut up the patches and flushed one half-can I found while cleaning out my car.
Super! Pretty friken scarey I know! We all ahve wondered how the hell are we gonna cope without the nic. amazingly we can -- hell we all did before we ever started! Now get yourself over to April group and get yourself registered. Your train ride is about to begin!

If you need some personal help to get through the next few days - just click on the name up in the left coner and send a pm..these guys (and gals) don't pull no punches and don't take any bull (excuses, lies etc) but man they got your back covered when you need it!
Great stuff NKT. I'm on day 236 of my quit and I had chewed for just over 12 years. I love what you said about this being an opportunity rather than a challenge. I've never thought about it in those terms, but that switch definitely went off in my mind about 230 days ago. It's made a huge difference.

Now repeat after me: "I will not chew tobacco today."

Booyah. Welcome.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 11:37:00 PM »
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Yep, tossed it all today. Cut up the patches and flushed one half-can I found while cleaning out my car.
Super! Pretty friken scarey I know! We all ahve wondered how the hell are we gonna cope without the nic. amazingly we can -- hell we all did before we ever started! Now get yourself over to April group and get yourself registered. Your train ride is about to begin!

If you need some personal help to get through the next few days - just click on the name up in the left coner and send a pm..these guys (and gals) don't pull no punches and don't take any bull (excuses, lies etc) but man they got your back covered when you need it!

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2009, 11:23:00 PM »
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Thanks for the replies. Even with the patch, it still feels like I have a fuzzy blanket wrapped tightly around my brain, and I needed a little kick in the ass. It hadnÂ’t occurred to me that six days alone could be an opportunity rather than a challenge.

Just took the patch off and tossed the rest in the trash. They served their purpose of breaking the getting-high-on-nicotine-every-couple-of-hours cycle; now it's time to move on.
Awesome move NKT. your looking at it the right way now -- 6 days to get rid of the nic out of the boody -- hell you'll have 3 more days to the good after that!

Stay close to this computer -- tlak, talk, talk, , bitch , cuss , swear, whatever it takes, to kick the nic bitch out of your life.! You can do it!

Start roll call with day one -- even tonite since you tossed it all (you did din't you - cans, patches , the whole shebang - down the toilet - you don't want to be digging the shit out of the trash when you think you need a fix! Trust em I've done that before!)

Two thumbs up on the decision!
Yep, tossed it all today. Cut up the patches and flushed one half-can I found while cleaning out my car.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2009, 10:59:00 PM »
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Thanks for the replies. Even with the patch, it still feels like I have a fuzzy blanket wrapped tightly around my brain, and I needed a little kick in the ass. It hadnÂ’t occurred to me that six days alone could be an opportunity rather than a challenge.

Just took the patch off and tossed the rest in the trash. They served their purpose of breaking the getting-high-on-nicotine-every-couple-of-hours cycle; now it's time to move on.
Awesome move NKT. your looking at it the right way now -- 6 days to get rid of the nic out of the boody -- hell you'll have 3 more days to the good after that!

Stay close to this computer -- tlak, talk, talk, , bitch , cuss , swear, whatever it takes, to kick the nic bitch out of your life.! You can do it!

Start roll call with day one -- even tonite since you tossed it all (you did din't you - cans, patches , the whole shebang - down the toilet - you don't want to be digging the shit out of the trash when you think you need a fix! Trust em I've done that before!)

Two thumbs up on the decision!

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2009, 10:36:00 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Even with the patch, it still feels like I have a fuzzy blanket wrapped tightly around my brain, and I needed a little kick in the ass. It hadnÂ’t occurred to me that six days alone could be an opportunity rather than a challenge.

Just took the patch off and tossed the rest in the trash. They served their purpose of breaking the getting-high-on-nicotine-every-couple-of-hours cycle; now it's time to move on.

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Re: 12 days
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2009, 09:38:00 PM »
True Sweenz. As far as I am concerned, you might as well post Day 1 tomorrow. Don't get me wrong, I am proud of what you have done so far but get all of the nic bitch out.
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Re: 12 days
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 09:33:00 PM »
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After 12 years with a can-a-day-or-more copenhagen habit, I’m on day 12 of a quit using a very abbreviated nicoderm patch system (about one week on each “step”). I’ve had some serious withdrawls and cravings, but it’s getting better. I’ve run into a bit of a challenge today:

My wife and daughter just left town to visit familyÂ…

For six days.

Oh shit.

This is the time IÂ’d usually take the can out of hiding and dip at will. What do I do now? Any suggestions on how to get through this would be much appreciated.

One other thing: would anyone be offended if I participate in the roll call if I stick to the patch program EXACTLY as outlined below?
12/31/08 – 1/9/09 21mg patch for 16 hours
1/10/08 – 1/16/08 14mg patch for 16 hours
1/17/08 – 1/23/08 7mg patch for 16 hours

The reasoning behind the patch program is that I canÂ’t afford to be going through a set of really severe withdrawl symptoms because nobody in my life, aside from my wife, knows I used to chew, or that IÂ’m quitting now. And even my wife doesnÂ’t have any idea how bad my problem was/is. Being completely worthless for a couple of weeks just isnÂ’t an option for me. But then again, going back to the can isnÂ’t an option either. IÂ’ve worked myself into a tough spot here; any advice or insights would be welcome.
You've got 6 days alone and it only takes 3 to get nicotine completely out of your system. The patch is simply prolonging the agony and going to lead you right down the road of another dip 'cause it's faster and more fun than the patch. You are battling a nicotine addiction and need to come to terms with that one day. Better sooner than later. Toss the patch 'cause when we put our names on roll, we are promising to be nicotine free for a day, not just dip free.

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12 days
« on: January 11, 2009, 08:59:00 PM »
After 12 years with a can-a-day-or-more copenhagen habit, I’m on day 12 of a quit using a very abbreviated nicoderm patch system (about one week on each “step”). I’ve had some serious withdrawls and cravings, but it’s getting better. I’ve run into a bit of a challenge today:

My wife and daughter just left town to visit familyÂ…

For six days.

Oh shit.

This is the time IÂ’d usually take the can out of hiding and dip at will. What do I do now? Any suggestions on how to get through this would be much appreciated.

One other thing: would anyone be offended if I participate in the roll call if I stick to the patch program EXACTLY as outlined below?
12/31/08 – 1/9/09 21mg patch for 16 hours
1/10/08 – 1/16/08 14mg patch for 16 hours
1/17/08 – 1/23/08 7mg patch for 16 hours

The reasoning behind the patch program is that I canÂ’t afford to be going through a set of really severe withdrawl symptoms because nobody in my life, aside from my wife, knows I used to chew, or that IÂ’m quitting now. And even my wife doesnÂ’t have any idea how bad my problem was/is. Being completely worthless for a couple of weeks just isnÂ’t an option for me. But then again, going back to the can isnÂ’t an option either. IÂ’ve worked myself into a tough spot here; any advice or insights would be welcome.