Day 1

[Skoal Monster]

but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.

Cityspitter, don't start trying to wrap your head around quitting forever, thats just gonna tie your cerebellum in a double windsor. Instead stick with this little gem and make it part of your daily mantra-

I am quit for Today- I will quit ONE day at a time- Tomorrow will take care of itself.

You don't have to worry about all of it- just stay quit today

sm

[brianl]

Thanks everybody for the support.

So the first 72 hours are down. I feel pretty damn good about all of this.

I had some real shitty craves. First one was about 4 hours after I took the patch off. I felt like my ears and arms were on fire. My nose got all stuffed up, and I felt like I couldn't breathe. This was probably more mental than anything. The realization that I couldn't dip and I would have to deal with it. Well, I did some push-ups, splashed water on my face, and went and played a video game. I felt better shortly after.

Yesterday I had to go to a play with my girlfriend. I don't like going places for much of anything, but especially not a damn play. I knew this would be a huge trigger for me. I also knew she would be really pissed if I didn't go. So I sucked it up, made sure I had a bunch of gum and candy in my pocket, and went. I had the worst headache of my life afterward, but I didn't even really want a dip. I took some ibuprofen, drank some coffee, and it passed.

Today was my first day at work without nicotine. It sucked. I had a post lunch crave which lasted about 2 hours. I would try to distract myself, but I just couldn't shake it. Eventually I just walked out of the office to go get a snack. By the time I got back I had to go to a meeting and that distracted me enough. Now I'm home, and I feel pretty good.

Anyway the nicotine should be totally out of my system now which feels great to know. But, I know I still have a long road ahead of me.

This quit has brought back memories of the one time I quit before. It wasn't a real quit. I didn't want my girlfriend to find out, so I stopped for a week while she was staying with me. After her visit was over, I remember thinking to myself "wow, I'm free. Now I can have just one dip every day or two."

Of course we all know what comes of those kind of thoughts. Here I am 5 years later, but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.

Good work!!
One day at a time. Before you know it your Quit days will be stacking up.
The nic is out of our body but will forever be in your mind. It's all mental from here on out.

STAY STRONG-STAY QUIT!

[jmo7082]

congrats brother! day 8 for me  everyday is better than the last

[CitySpitter]

Thanks everybody for the support.

So the first 72 hours are down. I feel pretty damn good about all of this.

I had some real shitty craves. First one was about 4 hours after I took the patch off. I felt like my ears and arms were on fire. My nose got all stuffed up, and I felt like I couldn't breathe. This was probably more mental than anything. The realization that I couldn't dip and I would have to deal with it. Well, I did some push-ups, splashed water on my face, and went and played a video game. I felt better shortly after.

Yesterday I had to go to a play with my girlfriend. I don't like going places for much of anything, but especially not a damn play. I knew this would be a huge trigger for me. I also knew she would be really pissed if I didn't go. So I sucked it up, made sure I had a bunch of gum and candy in my pocket, and went. I had the worst headache of my life afterward, but I didn't even really want a dip. I took some ibuprofen, drank some coffee, and it passed.

Today was my first day at work without nicotine. It sucked. I had a post lunch crave which lasted about 2 hours. I would try to distract myself, but I just couldn't shake it. Eventually I just walked out of the office to go get a snack. By the time I got back I had to go to a meeting and that distracted me enough. Now I'm home, and I feel pretty good.

Anyway the nicotine should be totally out of my system now which feels great to know. But, I know I still have a long road ahead of me.

This quit has brought back memories of the one time I quit before. It wasn't a real quit. I didn't want my girlfriend to find out, so I stopped for a week while she was staying with me. After her visit was over, I remember thinking to myself "wow, I'm free. Now I can have just one dip every day or two."

Of course we all know what comes of those kind of thoughts. Here I am 5 years later, but I won't make the same mistake this time. This time, I'm quit forever. Never again.

[bigduke45123]

congrats on day 4

[brianl]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

Good Call!

GREAT CHOICE !!!

Congrats City, you got this.

Good Call. Put your hard hat on and step up to the plate. Welcome to the rest of your life.

FUCKIN A BABY!!!!!

[RAZD611]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

Good Call!

GREAT CHOICE !!!

Congrats City, you got this.

Good Call. Put your hard hat on and step up to the plate. Welcome to the rest of your life.

[Spurbow]

Ever hear - "you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig." That is the way i feel about the patch - just nicotine in another costume. Now if you put lipstick on a goat......that's different. Great Job City! 'archer'

[Bean]

Good call...trash the patches. You want to be nic free, brother!!! Patches and gum are like "let's just be friends" or "dating other people"...doesn't work. When it's time the end it, break up! Anything short of cold turkey won't work.

[Skoal Monster]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

Good Call!

GREAT CHOICE !!!

Congrats City, you got this.

[Greg5280]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

Good Call!

GREAT CHOICE !!!

[rock642]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

Good Call!

[CitySpitter]

Brian: Sorry, my mistake.

SM: I hear you. At first I really like the added challenge of trying to prove you guys wrong, by being the exception to the rule. (If I were you I'd be thinking "there's a rule for a reason, you're dumb for thinking you can be the exception"). It was a motivation for me to hold to my word. But I realize no one will be impressed, and frankly, no one really cares until I'm nicotine free.

You say I've left myself an out, but I don't see it that way and I never have. I've never thought of the patch as some magical cure that will make me quit. I know it has to be a commitment purely of myself.

I feel like going off the patch now will leave an even worse out, because then I can say "well I didn't use the patch right. That's why I can't quit." I won't say that of course, but I've lived with an addict's mind for a long time, and I know that shit will come up in my thoughts. I'd like some help with this one.

Just a nitpick, Camel Snus is tobacco but it's marketed in such a way that people think it's not.

But I get what you are saying. Nicotine is the real problem, and I agree. But it's not like I bought into the marketing about the patch. Even if there were a conspiracy to keep me hooked on nicotine, I wouldn't blame my addiction on anyone but myself. I knew what I was getting into when I first started, and also when I started the patch.

I researched the chemical contents of the patch, and found:

Step 2: 14mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.
Step 3: 7mg of nicotine delivered over 24 hours. Take for 2 weeks.

It makes sense to me in a strictly logical sense. Not because of some actor in a commercial saying it helped him quit. I consider myself a skeptic, and am fully aware of the fact the big pharma wants more money and doesn't care about helping people (though they sometimes do help people as a by-product).

None of this is really going anywhere though, as I'm trying to explain why I started the patch, not really trying to justify staying on it anymore.

I think we can all agree that the fact that I'm here is the real thing that's going to help me with quitting. And I'm not going to be able to do it without your support. I guess I was just testing the waters here, and found out you all are some stubborn hard-asses. Just what I need to keep me on the right track.

This is gonna fucking hurt.

The patch comes off now. I will post roll tomorrow.

[Greg5280]

City,
Here is the post SM was referring to I believe. I found these little gems from the death dealers at Big tobacco. My friend; Nicotine is the problem !! It is what you are addicted to, it is what causes your pain when you quit. Realize the maddness of ingesting more nicotine to stop using nicotine.. ?!?!?!


Blowing away the smokescreen

For years, the tobacco industry has known of the health consequences of
tobacco and its addictive component, nicotine. In 1954, tobacco researchers commented,
“It’s fortunate for us that tobacco is a habit consumers can’t break.”

In 1964,an internal British American Tobacco document discussed the issue of nicotine and
addiction, “There seems no doubt that the ‘kick’ of tobacco is due to the concentration
of nicotine in the bloodstream which it achieves, and this is a product
of the quantity of nicotine in the tobacco and the speed of transfer of that nicotine
into the bloodstream.”

In 1969, a Philip Morris researcher bluntly stated, “We have, then, as our first premise, that the primary motivation for tobacco use is to obtain the pharmacological effect of nicotine.” Philip Morris researchers
also concluded: “The cigarette should be conceived not as a product but as a package. The
product is nicotine. The cigarette is but one of many package layers. There
is the carton, which contains the pack, which contains the cigarette, which
contains the smoke. The smoker must strip off all these package layers to get
to that which he seeks Â… Think of a cigarette pack as a storage container for
a dayÂ’s supply of nicotine Â… Think of a cigarette as a dispenser for a dose
unit of nicotine … Think of a puff of smoke as the vehicle of nicotine …”

For Big Tobacco, failure to win the debate over regulating nicotine in tobacco
threatened its existence as an industry. In a 1972 internal memorandum the director
of research for R.J. Reynolds wrote, “If, as proposed above, nicotine is the sine qua non of tobacco use, and if we meekly accept the allegations of our critics and move toward reduction or
elimination of nicotine from our products, then we shall eventually liquidate
our business. If we intend to remain in business and our business is
the manufacture and sale of dosage forms of nicotine, then at some point
we must make a stand.”

For Big Tobacco researchers, the evidence of the addictiveness of nicotine kept
piling up. In a 1983 internal Brown  Williamson memorandum, the message was
clear “Nicotine is the addicting agent in tobacco.”

On April 14, 1994, the CEOs of the seven leading tobacco companies testified
under oath in a hearing held by the U.S. Congress House of Representatives
Committee on Energy and Commerce, Subcommittee on Health and the
Environment. Despite extensive internal research on the issue of nicotine and addiction,
Big TobaccoÂ’s executives testified that they believed that nicotine was not
addictive. Below is the transcript of the relevant exchange on that issue:

Rep. Ron Wyden (D-OR): Thank you, Mr. Chairman Â… Let me begin my questioning
on the matter of whether or not nicotine is addictive. Let me ask you first,
and IÂ’d like to just go down the row, whether each of you believes that nicotine is
not addictive. I heard virtually all of you touch on it. Just yes or no. Do you believe
nicotine is not addictive?

Mr. Campbell (President and CEO, Philip Morris, USA): I believe nicotine is not
addictive, yes.

Rep. Wyden: Mr. Johnston?

Mr. Johnston (Chairman and CEO, RJR Tobacco Co.): Congressman, cigarettes
and nicotine clearly do not meet the classic definitions of addiction. There is no
intoxication.

Rep. Wyden: We’ll take that as a no and, again, time is short. If you can just — I
think each of you believe nicotine is not addictive. We just would like to have this
for the record.

Mr. Taddeo (President, US Tobacco Co.): I donÂ’t believe that nicotine or our products
are addictive.

Mr. Horrigan (Chairman and CEO, Liggett Group): I believe nicotine is not
addictive.

Mr. Tisch (Chairman and CEO, Lorillard Tobacco Co.): I believe that nicotine is
not addictive.

Mr. Sandefur (Chairman and CEO, Brown  Williamson Tobacco Corp.): I
believe that nicotine is not addictive.

Mr. Donald Johnston (President and CEO, American Tobacco Co.): And I, too,
believe that nicotine is not addictive.

As pressure in the U.S. has increased to curb its marketing to children, Big
Tobacco has focused more of its advertising in developing nations. A World Health
Organization (WHO)-Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study
found that 11 percent of children in Latin America and the Caribbean were offered
tobacco by company representatives in 1999 and 2000. In Russia, nearly 17
percent said they were given free tobacco products. In Jordan, it was a whopping 25 percent!

These efforts are found all over the world. According to Vera da Costa e Silva,
director of the WHOÂ’s tobacco program, Big Tobacco is making a big move to hook
children outside of the United States:

“This is the right time for the tobacco industry to seduce children overseas.
They are looking to increase the number of users in developing countries
and elsewhere abroad because in the United States they are losing their market shares.


Tobacco kills an estimated four million people around the globe each year.
Because of growing international sales, experts believe that by the year 2020, one in
three adult deaths in the world will be caused by smoking and other tobacco use.
And these experts believe that by the year 2030, over ten million deaths worldwide
will be caused each year by tobacco use. Tobacco is expected to be the leading cause
of death worldwide in less than thirty years; 70 percent of these deaths will occur in
developing countries.

Other global practices by Big Tobacco have come under fire:

• 520,000 children work on tobacco farms in Brazil, and a third of them
are under the age of 14 years old.

• Children in southern Brazil are removed from classes before the end of
the school year to help with the harvest the tobacco crop.

• The average monthly income for a tobacco-growing family in Brazil is
334 Reals, the equivalent of $137.

Understand that to Big tobacco you are nothing more than “a percentage of market share” the pain and suffering of you and your lost family members means nothing to these death dealers. They have knowingly marketed and produced a product that when used as directed will result in early death for the people who use it. If you ever think you miss this shit, read some of the tactics they have used over the years and it should help keep you quit. As I have said before, I will set my money on fire before I ever give these people one cent of it.

NEVER AGAIN

[Skoal Monster]

So while you are probably correct in saying I have a better chance quitting cold-turkey (by evidence of head-count alone, but the links point to it as well), I think I still have a great chance quitting with the patch

Better chance vs "still have a great chance"- I'd assume if you were serious about this you would go with better chance rather than "still have a great chance."

You lack commitment grasshopper, Continuing your quit using NRT after you have admitted that it is not the BEST option for success means only one thing.

You have left yourself an out- you'll blame the ineffectiveness of the patch when you fail.

The more I read from everyone the more it seems like no one thinks the patch does anything to lessen the withdrawal once you finally stop nicotine altogether. I feel like it has to help in some way. You're training your body to receive less of the chemical.

The patch helps alright. Helps you stay hooked on nicotine. I used it for a year, sometimes two at a time. When I stopped using the patch I went right back to dipping like a didn't miss a beat. Before you claim I didn't use it right, I must confess it was the second time I tried to quit with the patch. The first time I used it exactly, I resumed dipping within a week .

I also quit with the gum, chewed it like a beaver on meth. Did it help me quit? Sure, helped me quit dipping skoal. Course when I got done with the program I went right back to dipping.

Know what big Pharm suggested recently? After seeing the studies saying that the success rates for quitting with NRT's sucked more than Monica Lewinsky on spring break, they proclaimed that people just needed to stay on them LONGER!!!!!!!!!! Are you fuckin kiddin me? UST leaked a memo at one point, wish I could find that post, but the jist was this; a cigarette, or a can of chew, or a cigar, were all delivery mechanisms for their real product..... nicotine. The memo went on to discuss the reality that the packaging was irrelevent- the product is nicotine. This is from the mouth of BIG TOBACCO itself.

Now make this mental leap- does BIG PHARMACEUTICAL REALLY care about your smoking?or dipping? I mean ,these are the companies that sell the cancer drugs and the pain killers, and all the other meds you'll need when your dying from smoking or chewing. Do you really believe they have a financial interest in your ass quitting tobacco? NAAAHHHHH, but they can sell you wellbutrin, and the other magic pills, AND .....here it comes

They can sell you NICOTINE . How much money do you think the makers of NRT's are bringing in? First time I tried it, it was prescription only. I was 17 then. I wonder what made it over the counter? Could it have been the truckloads of money the pharm companies spent? naaaaahhhh

Think I'm full of conspiracy shit dont ya?

Lemme ask you this, whats the difference between Camel snus and a nicorette lozenge? Neither is tobacco and they are both nicotine delivery systems.

Different brand names?
Different manufacturers?
Ones in the shape of a cough drop and one is a disolvable mint or paper thing?
But whats the product??????

Still no???

Ok, if you think the step down thing is really going to work to help you ween of nicotine, as you say "You're training your body to receive less of the chemical" why don't you just quit by using less and less dip? Bet you tried that, didn't work did it. I was the just dip on weekends, or during whatever special thing. Then it was I'll cut back to x amount of dips per day, then was I'll go longer and longer between chews. If you dipped for 7 years I'd bet my box edition lifesize Starwars princess Leah with articulating grip that you tried something similar. Did it work???

Whats the difference between a step down NRT and cutting back from dip? Why not start smoking to quit chew or use snus, or cut down to bandits or leaf.

" but NRT'S are safe" is what I would say if I were you. WRONGO again, nicotine still has effects on your body and some forms of NRT is tied to various cancers.

There is no difference- your changing seats on the bus.

I know you want there to be a patch or a pill or some gum or a magical unicorn riding quit fairy to make this easy, but sorry brudda ain't no such thing. People that succeed using NRT's do so "in spite of the NRT" not because of it.

Your draggin out your physical withdrawl for a month, that shit could be over in 72 hours. I honestly hate to see anyone make the same mistakes I did. ( repeatedly)

Get pissed, and get quit

sm