3 days so far

[Cancrusher]

Again, not a Doctor here but here are my 2 cents:

1. I forgot to mention this, but the author of that book, Dr. Claire Weekes, is going to first ensure that you've gone to the Doctor so as to confirm that what you are feeling is indeed Panic/Anxiety related...and not something else. This is very important, so If you have not done this please go see your doctor.

2. Did the meds help? Yes. The Lexapro is a non-narcotic, seratonin re-uptake inhibitor. Personally, I had virtually no side effects and didn't feel any different when taking them. Downfall, they take up to 2-3 weeks for any results to be seen. Positive: It's non-narcotic! My doc also prescribed me Ativan for those nights when the symptoms were unbearable. I took those with caution and tried not to become very reliant on them. The Ativan will knock you out, don't plan on functioning much with these. I'm not saying avoid them, I think they do have their place, but use Caution.

Sucks that you have to feel panic, I know how aweful it can be...but hey, It did get the ball rolling on your Quit, and Quit is Good :)

Take care and keep that shit out of your mouth today.

CC

[MySize]

I understand, I found strength in the replies. Did the meds help very well? I thought about trying them out, but I heard they kind of turn you into a zombie, you're just blank all of the time?

That book looks pretty interesting, definitely worth the buy. I wouldn't mind having something around that can educate on me on whats really happening. Lately if I've felt an attack coming on, I just sit back and breathe, smile and think positive.

That kind of does the trick for me, I'm not really scared of them anymore after I learned that they can't kill you. I'm just glad that this happened, it was a wake up call to get off the damn snuff.

[Cancrusher]

Justin,

I'm glad to see that you are still Quit. I hope that you understand by now what I was trying to get across to you when I initially responded to your intro. I don't mean to be overly abrasive, I just wanted you to see the underlying issues with your initial intro. Nothing personal, just trying to strengthen your Quit.

On another note I'm recently off meds for anxiety. I took Lexapro for about 1.5 years and ativan for immediate relief from symptoms of extreme panic. I know the feeling. It's like being on an airplane and knowing with 100% certainty that it is going to crash....pretty close? I'm NO DOCTOR but it seems to me that Nicotine use and Nervous disorders go hand in hand. I'm not sure if the nicotine causes Anxiety or if the 'Nervously ill' are more apt to pick up nicotine in the first place, but the connection is there somewhere.

I battled my Anxiety for nearly 8 years. It got to the point where I couldn't go to church because I couldn't deal with all of the people and the "what-ifs". What if I have an attack and I can't get out?...Like I said, I"m recently off of the meds (Been about 3 weeks), and I feel great! What fixed me? This book: http://www.amazon.com/Hope-Help-Your-Ne ... 0451167228

...And before you start thinking that I somehow make money off of this, check out the price. I picked mine up for $3. Just trying to help. It really helped me understand what exactly goes on inside of my nervously ill mind. It's all about the adrenaline - fear cycle. You are nervous because your adrenal glands (involuntary fight / flight) system is stuck ON. This creates a plethora of feelings such as heart palpitations, difficulty breathing, chest tighness...and so on. Thus, the fear begins..."Something is wrong with me..am I dying?"...and as a result your body creates more of the thing that initially caused the scary feelings..Adrenaline!

The relief of loosening your tense hold on yourself, of giving up the struggle and recognizing that there is no battle to fight - except of your own making - may bring calmness you have forgotten existed within you. In your tense effort to control yourself you have been releasing more and more adrenalin and so further exciting your organs to produce the very sensations from which you have been trying to escape.

--Dr. Claire Weekes (Hope and Help for your Nerves)

Here for you bud.

CC

[Souliman]

Way to go MySize. Stick to it bro. We'll fight this thing one day at a time. Gotta find a way to get that roll call in.

Glad to be quit with you.

[Jtricher]

Nice job posting roll two days in a row.  Perfect.

Agree. Welcome to September. A great group of BAMF quitters. Quitting Nic will be the best decision you have ever made for yourself. Take it day by day, and you will succeed.

[Scowick65]

Nice job posting roll two days in a row. Perfect.

[MySize]

Thank you parry8587 and jaygib. I read that article and it's totally right, I understand now. Finally posted roll. I'm probably going to get alot of shit then =/ I work security for nuclear weapons, there fore we cannot use our phones, and I spend 4 days straight in the field, we don't come home in those 4 days, we stay at a facility with normally no cell phone service and most of the time the computer doesn't work. But I want to do this. And Im going to do this. I will never put another dip in my mouth. I'm going to stay positive and in control of my body and mind. I will try everyday to post roll while I'm in the field.

[jaygib]

Justin I'm glad you put your name and you life on the list with Sept today. It's the nature of the beast man. We don't want to see others fail. When I posted my intro I got jumped on and thought WTF but it is others attempting to help me or you sort the quit out and find the mental tools to be succesful. Lots of folks looked at your intro and a few of us responded because we'd rather you stick for a while, but we want you to be a quitter with the willingness to fight. Why would you post if you didn't want to quit or want help? I'm not sure but hundreds, heck maybe near a thousand by now, of people have shown up and made the intro post about the big quit and later that day are packing a lip.

Maybe we did attack you a bit but you and your heart mind and soul are going to attack your quit far worse than anything we will or have thrown at you. We have been there, and we still are and we know if not what you are going through then damn well close. But we can't fight that battle for you; we will do what we can to support you while you do fight it and we want to know for certain that you intend to fight it. Around here you get to man the cockpit on your quit battle and we expect you to give ground support in the quit battles of others.

Your quit on day 4 was likely tougher than mine on day 151 and I respect that. But please man, please complain and bitch here if that is what is going on in your life. Reach out in Sept, there are often folks in chat to help you or vent on your intro. We are here for you, and are here with you as you will be for us and the next quitters that come along.

Sept 11 quitters somebody take away his "hard for me to visit this site daily" excuse.

[parry8587]

You guys have me all wrong. I guess my introduction has caused some sparks. I didn't mean for that. I meant FUCK THIS SHIT as in fuck nicotine, I don't need it. It causes me pain and I have to quit for myself. Everyone just kind of attacked me. Why would I post an introduction on the site if I didn't want your help? I said that I like to dip and mentally I don't want to quit, so I could come closer to other quitters on here, hoping some one would say something supportive and say, hey man, we've all been there. I've been trying to find this roll call thing and I'm having trouble. I'm in the military, I work day and night so it's gonna be hard for me to visit this site daily or weekly. I am here to quit, I'm through with chew. I've made that decision, I'm not going to complain on here.

MySize,

I think people understood you when you said "FUCK THIS SHIT." Many of us had the exact same feeling before our quits, as well. The concern in your post that caused a lot of 'sparks' was your reference to mentally not wanting to quit. If you are not mentally prepared to quit, your chances of a successful quit are zero to none. The nic bitch is going to play games with your mind and if you havent mentally prepared yourself for it, she will win the fight everytime.

I understand your thought process that you "like to dip." Thirty-five days ago, I felt the exact same way. Do you know why? Because I am an addict. As an addict, you tell yourself you like to dip. I hope you read Scowick's link, that article explains it all. Basically, it's not that you LIKE to dip, it's that you DON'T LIKE to NOT dip. I was a slave to the nic bitch and thought just like you not that long ago. It feels so great to be free and in control. No doubt, the first 3 days are gonna fuckin suck worse than anything you have ever experienced. But that is what we are here for, to help you through it.

Lastly, the most fundamental concept of this site is to post roll, first thing, everyday. That is your word that you will not use nicotine today. All of us are busy and have lots of things going on, but we make the time to post roll everyday. The more you are involved, the more likely you will succeed. Posting roll once or twice a week shows you are not fully committed and will get you a lot of shit from people like me. I'm glad you made the decision to quit. You are going to be pissed off and irritated the next couple days - you should be, it's normal. Come on this site and just let it all out. We will help you through it. Just stay quit one day at a time. If you need anything PM me.


P.S. - Go to the index.php?showforum=13 to learn how to post roll

[MySize]

You guys have me all wrong. I guess my introduction has caused some sparks. I didn't mean for that. I meant FUCK THIS SHIT as in fuck nicotine, I don't need it. It causes me pain and I have to quit for myself. Everyone just kind of attacked me. Why would I post an introduction on the site if I didn't want your help? I said that I like to dip and mentally I don't want to quit, so I could come closer to other quitters on here, hoping some one would say something supportive and say, hey man, we've all been there. I've been trying to find this roll call thing and I'm having trouble. I'm in the military, I work day and night so it's gonna be hard for me to visit this site daily or weekly. I am here to quit, I'm through with chew. I've made that decision, I'm not going to complain on here.

[jimmykeeper]

So you had a panic attack that was linked to your tobacco usage...and you're not sure if you want to quit tobacco? Um, ok.

Well, when you get your head out of your ass, the roll call is waiting for you. Until then, I got better things to do. Like help other quitters and focus on my own quit.

[jaygib]

Then don't quit dude. You're a young guy with many years (hopefully) in front of you. Big tobacco can likely count on 10.000 dollars more from you in the next 5 years if you stick with using. You could use that money and visit your loved ones but screw it you love to chew!

Dip is freaking outstanding and don't tell the rest of the KTC folks but I still love it, hell I loved it for most of 20 years. I loved it so much I'd sneak one in the car, I'd sneak one in the shitter, I'd sneak on in the middle of the night, I'd enjoy it when my family was away because I could sit by myself and dip and all those invitations that I blew off to spend with my lover the grizzly bear! I loved dip so much that I would proudly shout to the entire world I AM NOT A DIPPER while packing another lipper!!!!

Screw it, lets go buy a log and live it up you and me. I'm tired on not worrying about cancer. I'm tired of not lying to friends and family. I'm tired of actually enjoying the time I have with other human beings instead of squeezing them in around my fix. I'm tired of freedom. I'm tired of not checking my mouth 5 times a day for anything unusual. I'm tired of sleeping at 2am rather than driving to the gas station to get a can...I'm tired of, oh crap I gave thousands of folks my pledge not to use nicotine today. Well maybe tomorrow we can go live it up.

You're in the armed forces but you are more likely to die from oral cancer compared with battle. A human force trying desperately to kill you is less likely to kill you compared to a product you buy willingly every day.

[Scowick65]

I'm Justin...Just recently had my first panic attack, thought I was gonna die haha...It seems as if nicotine is a contributor to panic attacks....I don't want to quit at all. I love the taste, it gives me something to do, and it's something i look forward to out in the field.

It seems as if nicotine in a contributor to cancer, high blood pressure, panic attacks, isolation, addiction and the list goes on. Anyway, I see you posted and I am here to help. I say join us. Here is the first thing for you to read. It is called "I Chew Because I Like Chewing" It seemed a good start.

http://killthecan.org/robs/ilikechewing.asp

I found the above here. ---- http://killthecan.org/robs/

If you begin to read around here you find out this: we are all kinda the same. We are all addicted to nicotine. Why? Because nicotine is addictive. It does not care if you are male or female, rich or poor, if you are awesome cool or a dork like me. Nicotine will even lie to you. That is right. Lie. It might even say you can be like Dad or Tony Gwynn or that just one more won't hurt a bit. It will hook you for ever and ever, well, unless you choose otherwise.

If you don't stop now you are correct, you just had your FIRST panic attack. I hope you enjoyed it, more to follow... along with who knows what else. PM me and lets chat. Lets get you back to you. Nicotine free and the real Justin.

[Souliman]

Do you want to quit to save your life? 2 years is enough. Stop killing yourself and put your foot down. As crusher is saying, I think your conviction to quit comes off a little weak. Do you want to quit? If so, stop fucking around with this half-assed attitude and quit today with the rest of us. Read through the Welcome Center and get a sense of what's going on here. Its cold turkey, accountability, commitment and a boat load of CONVICTION. We all want to quit here. If you want to and are ready to fight for it, join us. If not, kill yourself somewhere else.

[Cancrusher]

FUCK THIS SHIT....

FUCK THIS SHIT....well that about says it all. Get this garbage out of here.

"I don't want to quit at all." -- You wont.

No one here is going to want it for you.

Using nicotine + Constantly worrying about cancer/death/when will I get my next fix = Panic. Trust me, I know, I've been there.

You need to reevaluate what you're giving us to work with bud. Did you miss the sign on the way in? This is QSXtreme: KillTheCan. What about that name sounds like you can walk in here with your "I don't even wanna Quit blah-dee-fucking-blah" attitude?
This place is for Real Quitters who Really want to Quit.

Come back when you fit that criteria.

CC