Applying principles in all my affairs

[mikegooch]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

James.. Gooch here.. My AA sobriety date is Jul 17, 2003. It took me 9 years to finally get a few days off dip..  believe me I tried like hell... My quit here was different than my quit there.. truth is I didn't really quit there? I just started going to meetings and working steps  9 years later my life has never been better! Truthfully 1st year in AA was a wild ass ride too! Last 60 days here has been a wild ass ride... Glad you're in.. I'm serious here it was a different quit for me anyway! Kinda the same with support.. but KTC - they are some hard core fuckers!  I have grown to love em  love it!

[Bean]

30yraddict hit the nail on the head. Well said.

[30yraddict]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

I have nothing to add other than this: The people and the mannerisms of the quitters on KTC have not changed since 2010. We are still harsh, abrasive and "in your face" about quitting. If that's why you left in the first place, I suggest you save everyone the time and effort and head on over to LITE.

where ya at simonds?

I am here, not everyone can perfectly understand what had happened before, or the exact reason I left in the past. I am here now to quit and stay quit, and this time what is different is that I have more tools in order to stay quit, while ktc helped me quit initally, I needed something to keep ME (not you) quit for all time. I need to add stuff to my program, to ensure that I stay out of the can. Either way I'm going to do this again and with a new set a tools I did not have then, and it will be proven to be successful.

If that reason is because your wife wants you to quit to save your relationship then you are planning a disaster. You have yet to deny that is the reason you are back so if that is your new tool I suggest you quit for you. I am not convinced, you are not a special butterfly, and your way has not worked. How about you try the proven one.

I am really puzzled by these "new tools" that weren't here before...Please elaborate?

Sure sounds to me like you are going to give it another try with ktc and leave just as soon as you think you have "got it". I can almost guarantee failure if that is the case. Perhaps that is the problem, you are trying to add to - and take away from - a very simple program that works:

1. Post Roll

2. Honor Your Promise

3. Repeat.

Which one(s) of these did you forget? Once you zero in on that, you might figure out why you are a serial caver. Focus on those three - everything else is just noise.

[klark]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

I have nothing to add other than this: The people and the mannerisms of the quitters on KTC have not changed since 2010. We are still harsh, abrasive and "in your face" about quitting. If that's why you left in the first place, I suggest you save everyone the time and effort and head on over to LITE.

where ya at simonds?

I am here, not everyone can perfectly understand what had happened before, or the exact reason I left in the past. I am here now to quit and stay quit, and this time what is different is that I have more tools in order to stay quit, while ktc helped me quit initally, I needed something to keep ME (not you) quit for all time. I need to add stuff to my program, to ensure that I stay out of the can. Either way I'm going to do this again and with a new set a tools I did not have then, and it will be proven to be successful.

If that reason is because your wife wants you to quit to save your relationship then you are planning a disaster. You have yet to deny that is the reason you are back so if that is your new tool I suggest you quit for you. I am not convinced, you are not a special butterfly, and your way has not worked. How about you try the proven one.

[jsimonds87]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.  Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

I have nothing to add other than this: The people and the mannerisms of the quitters on KTC have not changed since 2010. We are still harsh, abrasive and "in your face" about quitting. If that's why you left in the first place, I suggest you save everyone the time and effort and head on over to LITE.

where ya at simonds?

I am here, not everyone can perfectly understand what had happened before, or the exact reason I left in the past. I am here now to quit and stay quit, and this time what is different is that I have more tools in order to stay quit, while ktc helped me quit initally, I needed something to keep ME (not you) quit for all time. I need to add stuff to my program, to ensure that I stay out of the can. Either way I'm going to do this again and with a new set a tools I did not have then, and it will be proven to be successful.

[ryan]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

I have nothing to add other than this: The people and the mannerisms of the quitters on KTC have not changed since 2010. We are still harsh, abrasive and "in your face" about quitting. If that's why you left in the first place, I suggest you save everyone the time and effort and head on over to LITE.

where ya at simonds?

[Mthomas3824]

relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.

(Clearing my throat) Does anyone see a problem with this?

Playing the devils advocate: What if to save your marriage, your wife wanted you to dip? Would you dip for her?

When will you hate your addiction and tobacco enough that the only thing that matters is you don't want, need or love tobacco anymore. You should be saying I Quit tobacco. My wife could leave me and I would still quit tobacco.

I wish you luck. Yeah we don't wish luck here. However your quit is just a hope but not a reality.  So good luck to you.

When you don't care if the devil temps, God tests or desire blessings...you just are done, that is when you will quit for good.

With all your experience you still missed that point???? My best friend is an alcoholic and the best thing I can do for him is call out bull shit.

So as your friend....your fucked with that thought. Doing it for your wife? She'll benefit, your relationship will benefit but you need to do this for you. You should break it off with your mistress because YOU are sick of catering to that lying skank Nicotine bitch!

Before you get mad and fight with me. You caved and I am undefeated. I hate tobacco and when someone comes in with the "I need to do this" it is a guilty conscience. Guilt doesn't keep you quit. Determination, disgust and hatred for the addiction does.

You pissed? Tell me I am wrong here. I dare you.

[Coach Steve]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

I have nothing to add other than this: The people and the mannerisms of the quitters on KTC have not changed since 2010. We are still harsh, abrasive and "in your face" about quitting. If that's why you left in the first place, I suggest you save everyone the time and effort and head on over to LITE.

[ryan]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

Clearly you are a :scowick:

and have it all figured out

what's going to change?

'B.S.'

[dr_jones_25]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic. 

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship. 

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010.  My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave.  It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.   Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do).  This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore.  I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday.  Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem.  One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them.  So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent.  Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

Hey James,

I know everyone is welcoming you back, and wishing you well. The problem I see with this is every trip to KTC that you have made so far, you have vanished into thin air once you decided quitting wasn't worth it. Not even a response in 2010 out of respect for the 2nd group of "BROS" that you are fucking over!! I am definitely very timid to believe you this time, but hope you are here for the right reasons and make it work this time. I have no doubt that when it gets tough you will run for the hills.

Prove me wrong if this isn't so!! :angry:

[kstampfly]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic.

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship.

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010. My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave. It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife. Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do). This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore. I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday. Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem. One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them. So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent. Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87

Welcome Back James!!

I am glad that you took the steps to finally quit lying to yourself and your family and get rid of tobacco forever. One of my quit brothers put it into to perspective for me that "you have alot of eyes on you now". If you fail you not only answer to yourself but to them as well. Do the right thing and rost roll every morning before you do anything else. Pledge that you will not give in to the nicotine bitch ever again no matter how tough it is. I am on day 18 today and the reason I am still here is because of all the support. Stay strong and stay quit. PM me is you need anything.

[kana]

I'm an alcoholic too. 8 years fog free is coming up on Aug.15th. I for one welcome you back, but only if you mean it. I'm on day 4 it sucks, but like drinking when I said enough I meant it. Keep your word, it's all a mans got.

[klark]

It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife.

Hello attention whore, the sentence in their says you are not ready to quit. If you had learned anything while you were here you know you have to quit for you and you only. Get in the right mindset before you come back, this quit will last a day with that attitude.

[jsimonds87]

My name is James, and I'm glad I know I'm Alcoholic.

That is how I introduce myself to the others whom I seek help from, obviously a different fellowship.

As some of you may I know I have been around KTC since 2009. And the last time I quit dipping was June 2010. My lack of visiting ktc (bs excuses) caused me to be further from recovery and closer to a cave. It didn't take long and soon after I left I dipped again, lied to my wife again, and It's been two years of that, lying to my wife, hiding my use of tobacco (out of "respect" for her), and it along with other things have caused serious problems in our marriage, and recently we came to the conclusion that our relationship is worth saving, and doing so I am willing to give up my Skoal Spearmint for my wife. Yesterday 8/7/12 I took the dip out of my lip and flushed the lipper and killed the rest of the can (was 80% full, took a lot to do). This morning I woke up irritable and discontent with the fact that I had no dip and promised not to dip anymore. I came to work and the people here could tell something was different from yesterday. Since I have been in recovered from the disease of alcoholism (celebrated 4 years saturday) I have knowledge and tools to help me recover from a problem. One of the insights I have is that, I am not alone, their are others who suffer from the same problems that I am struggling with. And the only thing that will help is reaching out to them. So here I am, day 2, restless irritable and discontent. Using a lot of the serenity prayer to remove the obsession to chew tobacco, and talking to others help lift the fog. Going to apply the principles and steps of AA into my quit here.

No excuses, quit like a champion.

So that's my story, I know how this works so.. tear me up boys..


Jsimonds87