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Offline ishkodenini

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Re: Hello
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 01:02:00 PM »
Thanks guys

Sorry about that pussy ass post.

It's day 4 and I'm feeling better.

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Re: Hello
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 11:31:00 AM »
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...attempted a quit... "trying to quit"... try not to even think about dipping...
You can't "try" to quit, you actually have to do it. Adjust your attitude toward your quit until you see that you area actually doing it rather than giving it a try. "Try" has a built-in aspect of failure that you must avoid if you are to save yourself from a lifetime of dipping.
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...but I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last.
Don't worry about how long it will last, just worry about making it last today. I know you've probably heard about this a lot already, but it obviously hasn't sunk in so I'll tell you again: just worry about quitting for today. When tomorrow gets here, give your promise to stay quit first thing in the morning and figure out how how to stay quit for that day.

You shouldn't think about staying quit tomorrow, and you sure as hell shouldn't think you might take a dip tomorrow. Just don't think about tomorrow in terms of your quit.
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I know I must break the addiction but there's something still telling me to go to the gas station as soon as possible.
The only way to make this feeling go away is to stay away from tobacco. If you chose to make this quit a "try" and go back to dipping, this feeling will still be there when you actually get around to quitting 10-20 years from now. Especially since you have 10 days free now, it will never get any easier to quit than it is right now.
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I would add some things to you list of reasons to quit dip:

Freedom - the active addict constantly has the addiction whispering "get away, take a dip, that would be so much better than whatever you were going to do. I know it's three in the morning, but you must go to the quicki-mart NOW so you'll have a can first thing in the morning....." The tugging only gets worse, you can't manage it and get better at handling it, as an active addict you can't control it. The only way to control it is to keep nicotine out of your life; then it really does go away.

Damage to Relationships - Dipping will take time away from your family. It will take time away from your friends. It will eliminate a lot of great friends because they don't approve of dipping and you chose your addiction over a good friend. It will cost you a lot of pussy in your 20's. It will take time away from your children.

Money - It might not seem like a lot right now, but $5 or so a day can add up to a staggering amount over 10-20 years of dipping. Just adding up the numbers gives you $18,250-$36,500. But it gets better: take the money you now put into dip and put it in an index fund (around 9% average historical return) and you'd have $27,727-$93,367 (assuming the whole fucking thing doesn't crash). Either way, it's a whole lot of money wasted.

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Re: Hello
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2010, 11:06:00 AM »
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Hi, my name is Kyle I'm 18. I took my first dip about 18 months ago, I've been chewing a can a day or more for the last 12 months.  The first time I attempted a quit was about 2 months after I became a daily user. I've been "trying to quit" ever since, not even really enjoying dipping, except chemically. During the past 6 months I've thrown away at least 100 cans with good amounts of tobacco in them, sometimes returning to the store the same day.

Reasons I want to quit:
My gums have already receded
I'm tired of the mood instability throughout the day
Poor circulation
Having to taste nasty ass fucking chew when I'm just trying to get a fix
And an endless list of health reasons that only a doctor could complete

That being said, I sometimes do enjoy dipping and I would especially like one right now, here at the end of day 3. Don't worry I'll make it to bed tonight, but I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last. I know I must break the addiction but there's something still telling me to go to the gas station as soon as possible. I started a new year's resolution quit and made it 9 days. I was fine until I went to a party and inhaled a shit ton of second hand smoke. The next few days were like the first three and I ended up chewing for another week and a half. I'm still staying positive though. Apparently the nicotine will be gone from my system sometime tomorrow or tonight. My strategy from here on out is to occupy my mind with challenges and try not to even think about dipping.
Welcome Kyle

Congratulations on the best decision of your life!!

"I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last" - Fuck that thought man, that's Bullshit,,,,that's the nic bitch saying Kyle you're still my little fuck toy. Doesn't it suck not having control of your life? and what's controlling you will ultimately kill you,,if not,,you're destined for a special place on this link: http://www.killthecan.org/pics/

You have to keep this quit and make the commitment everyday. You got your whole life ahead of you. Don't fuck it up!!! Use the KTC website bro
kind of a wierd name but who gives a shit.....stop now dude, while theres time. Don't try and push your luck. These guys here know what they're talkin bout. All you got to do is listen and quit. welcome...pist
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Re: Hello
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2010, 09:37:00 AM »
Quote from: ishkodenini
Hi, my name is Kyle I'm 18. I took my first dip about 18 months ago, I've been chewing a can a day or more for the last 12 months. The first time I attempted a quit was about 2 months after I became a daily user. I've been "trying to quit" ever since, not even really enjoying dipping, except chemically. During the past 6 months I've thrown away at least 100 cans with good amounts of tobacco in them, sometimes returning to the store the same day.

Reasons I want to quit:
My gums have already receded
I'm tired of the mood instability throughout the day
Poor circulation
Having to taste nasty ass fucking chew when I'm just trying to get a fix
And an endless list of health reasons that only a doctor could complete

That being said, I sometimes do enjoy dipping and I would especially like one right now, here at the end of day 3. Don't worry I'll make it to bed tonight, but I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last. I know I must break the addiction but there's something still telling me to go to the gas station as soon as possible. I started a new year's resolution quit and made it 9 days. I was fine until I went to a party and inhaled a shit ton of second hand smoke. The next few days were like the first three and I ended up chewing for another week and a half. I'm still staying positive though. Apparently the nicotine will be gone from my system sometime tomorrow or tonight. My strategy from here on out is to occupy my mind with challenges and try not to even think about dipping.
Welcome Kyle

Congratulations on the best decision of your life!!

"I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last" - Fuck that thought man, that's Bullshit,,,,that's the nic bitch saying Kyle you're still my little fuck toy. Doesn't it suck not having control of your life? and what's controlling you will ultimately kill you,,if not,,you're destined for a special place on this link: http://www.killthecan.org/pics/

You have to keep this quit and make the commitment everyday. You got your whole life ahead of you. Don't fuck it up!!! Use the KTC website bro
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Re: Hello
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 11:31:00 PM »
Hi, my name is Kyle I'm 18. I took my first dip about 18 months ago, I've been chewing a can a day or more for the last 12 months. The first time I attempted a quit was about 2 months after I became a daily user. I've been "trying to quit" ever since, not even really enjoying dipping, except chemically. During the past 6 months I've thrown away at least 100 cans with good amounts of tobacco in them, sometimes returning to the store the same day.

Reasons I want to quit:
My gums have already receded
I'm tired of the mood instability throughout the day
Poor circulation
Having to taste nasty ass fucking chew when I'm just trying to get a fix
And an endless list of health reasons that only a doctor could complete

That being said, I sometimes do enjoy dipping and I would especially like one right now, here at the end of day 3. Don't worry I'll make it to bed tonight, but I still have serious doubts about how long this quit will last. I know I must break the addiction but there's something still telling me to go to the gas station as soon as possible. I started a new year's resolution quit and made it 9 days. I was fine until I went to a party and inhaled a shit ton of second hand smoke. The next few days were like the first three and I ended up chewing for another week and a half. I'm still staying positive though. Apparently the nicotine will be gone from my system sometime tomorrow or tonight. My strategy from here on out is to occupy my mind with challenges and try not to even think about dipping.

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Re: Hello
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 08:43:00 AM »
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It can take up to 72 hours for the blood-serum to become nicotine-free and 90% of nicotine's metabolites to exit the body via your urine. It's then that the anxieties associated with re-adjustment normally peak in intensity and begin to gradually decline.
That explains a lot. About day 4 or 5 of my quit, I thought I was having a kidney infection.
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Re: Hello
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 01:14:00 AM »
Here ya go, this is cut form Why quit.com


Nicotine is the tobacco plant's natural protection from being eaten by insects. It is a super toxin that, drop for drop, is more lethal than strychnine or diamondback rattlesnake venom, and three times deadlier than arsenic. Yet, amazingly, by chance, this natural insecticide's chemical signature is so similar to the neurotransmitter acetylcholine that once inside the brain it fits a host of chemical locks permitting it direct and indirect control over the flow of more than 200 neurochemicals.
Within eight seconds of that first-ever inhaled puff, through dizzy, coughing and six shades of green, nicotine arrived at the brain's reward pathways where it generated an unearned flood of dopamine, resulting in an immediate yet possibly unrecognized "aaah" reward sensation. Sensing it would cause most first-time inhalers to soon return to steal more. Nicotine also activated the body's fight or flight pathways releasing adrenaline, and select serotonin pathways impacting mood and impulsivity.
Brain Defenses Create Dependency

A toxic poison, the brain's defenses fought back but in doing so they had no choice but to also turn down the mind's sensitivity to acetylcholine, the body's conductor of an entire orchestra of neurochemicals.

Reseach suggest that in some regions the brain diminished the number of receptors available to receive nicotine, in others it diminished available transporters but in most affected regions it grew or activated millions and millions of extra acetylcholine receptors (a process known as "up-regulation"), almost as if trying to protect itself by more widely disbursing the arriving pesticide.

There was only one problem. All the physical changes engineered a new tailored neuro-chemical sense of normal built entirely upon the presence of nicotine. Now, any attempt to stop using it would come with a risk of intermittent temporary hurtful anxieties and powerful mood shifts. A true chemical addiction was born. Returning home to the "real you" now had a price. Gradually the calmness and comfort associated with being the "real you," of going weeks and months without once wanting for nicotine, faded into distant or even forgotten memory.

The brain's protective adjustments insured that any attempt to stop would leave you temporarily desensitized. Your dopamine reward system would briefly offer-up few rewards, your nervous system would see altering the status quo as danger and sound an emotional anxiety alarm throughout your body, and mood circuitry might briefly find it difficult to climb beyond depression.

The Recovery Process

Successful nicotine dependency recovery is in maintaining the motivations, dreams and patience needed to allow: (1) the physical mind time to re-sensitize itself and re-adjust to functioning normally again; (2) the subconscious mind time to encounter and re-condition the bulk of its nicotine feeding cues that triggered brief anxiety episodes in an attempt to gain compliance; and (3) the conscious mind time to either allow years of defensive dependency rationalizations to fade into distant memory, or the intelligent quitter time to more rapidly destroy their impact through honest reflection.

Addiction brain chatter finally at end, natural neuro-chemical flow restored (with up to 17.5 fewer heart beats per minute), the ex-user will find themselves enjoying a deep and rich sense of inner quiet, calm, and tranquility once their temporary journey of re-adjustment is substantially complete.

The body's nicotine reserves decline by roughly half every two hours. It's not only the basic chemical half-life clock which determines mandatory nicotine feeding times, when quitting it's also the clock that determines how long it takes before the brain begins bathing in nicotine-free blood-serum, the moment "real" healing begins.

It can take up to 72 hours for the blood-serum to become nicotine-free and 90% of nicotine's metabolites to exit the body via your urine. It's then that the anxieties associated with re-adjustment normally peak in intensity and begin to gradually decline.
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« on: December 28, 2009, 05:22:00 PM »
Hello brothers. I think this is my first post. This is the fourth day of my quit. I'm actually already feeling better.

Lately I've been wondering about the science of nicotine withdrawal. I've researched all over the web on this topic but there is really nothing sufficiently explanatory. Every publication I find on tobacco cessation says something along the lines of "nicotine causes pleasurable effects and is addicting". Many of you probably don't care and just want to quit. I am definitely staying quit but if any of you can explain the science behind this addiction to me I would appreciate it.

Most drugs that we consume intoxicate us, leave our brain, and then we feel "normal" again. Nicotine intoxicates us and leaves us feeling shitty. Is this comparable to alcohol hangover chemically? I realize there are plenty of other addictive drugs, but what is going on chemically that addicts us? What is responsible for the withdrawal?