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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2012, 11:51:00 AM »
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2012, 10:02:00 AM »
Get back on the horse, BTH!

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2012, 09:52:00 AM »
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Enough certainly is enough.
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I'll try to keep this brief and to the point.  While in Vegas on Wednesday for a 24 hour trip down to attend the viewing of my close friend who passed away I broke my quit.  I purchased a pack of cigarettes and smoked about half of them, bumming most of the rest out and leaving the remaining couple in the pack at the hotel prior to leaving.  I did not post roll that day because I intended to smoke and/or dip.  It was a conscious decision which was well thought out in advance.  For those of you who know me (as much as anyone does here) you know I am also sober (quit date was the same as my sober date).   I've remained sober and have no intention to drink/use.  I'm actually about the best I've ever been with that aspect.  My desire to drink/use has gone away, at least for the time being. I know I can enjoy life sober, but I digress..

I returned home and didn't smoke/dip and decided the Vegas smoking would be an isolated incident.  I rationalized this and that and a few days later (Tuesday I think) I bought a can.  I wasn't really sure where it was going.  Since my friend's passing I've had some completely new views on life, one of which is I'm going to what makes me happy even if is against what I'm supposed to do.  This was a large part of what led me to break my nic quit.  But I quickly realized that being a slave to nicotine is not what I want to do/be and I can't just dip/smoke regularly without a high chance of becoming an everyday user again.  It's just not an option. Also, for those of you who have thought about going back...it's not that great.  The first cig felt nice but then I was pretty indifferent to it.  The first dip was nice for about 5 mins and then it was just "meh".  I even found myself forcing myself to dip again prior to having a craving (habits are a powerful thing).

So where does that leave me with KTC?  Well, I've shit on Sep 11 and July 11 given the all or nothing nature of this site.  My primary regret is that I may have weakened some resolves by deciding to use again.  However, hopefully my choices will have the opposite effect.  Knowing that all of that obsession about using again culminated in a lackluster finale with following dependency will hopefully steer people away.  If you don't want to have to quit again, don't use again.  It really isn't worth it.

So where does that leave me in life?  I was going to continue to use through my friends formal service on Saturday and quit again Sunday.  But, I can't keep doing it.  Every time I took a dip I felt like a slave and a hypocrite.  So my can was emptied and tossed this morning and I'm now a non smoker/dipper again. 

I'm also quitting all of the other shit I've been meaning to off and on for years.  All of it, all right now.  Fuck waiting, life is short and I want my total freedom now.  Even while not dipping/smoking/drinking I was a total addict.  I just transferred my compulsive needs to other vices.  There was little/no net progress.   But now I'm moving way beyond the scope of this thread/post.

I'm not going to be posting on KTC regularly anymore.  I would like to stop in and say hi once in a while to July 11 and Sep 11 but if they don't want me to I understand.

Anyway, I am truly sorry if I weakened anyone's quit but this was something that I had to do.  I had to 'go back out', see what I was missing (nothing), and move on to the next chapter.  That's all for now, I could ramble on for hours.
I was here when you unpacked your bags. I watched you fail. I watched you get back up. Then I watched you fail again.

It was disappointing to read of your cave. It was even more disappointing that you chose to use an excuse to defend your cave. Yes, losing a friend is a bitch. No, it didn't have ANYTHING to do with you caving. At 600 days here, I KNOW you knew that. I KNOW that you knew it was a lie, a cop out when you posted that up as an excuse for your cave.

My disappointment turned to unbridled rage when I saw what you posted up in Alc Quit:
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BtH - 537; Haven't posted here in over a week, doesn't appear anyone noticed (outside of my nic quit). I broke my nic quit. I'm still sober and am finally content with being sober for the unknown future. I'm the best I've ever been in that regard. Anyway, take care.
Doesn't appear that anybody noticed? WTF is that supposed to mean? You had a phone full of numbers. You knew where we were. You CHOSE to fail. Like LooT said: This failure is on you- and only you. To make an implication that people here were responsible in some way, that we were apathetic is a slap in the face. How dare you, indeed.....

Then there was this:
Quote from: BtH
The Fuck Its (life is short, who gives a fuck) are battling the Fuck It's (Fuck addiction and all of the misery it brings). At this point I don't want to drink. I do want to smoke. And I am very unhappy that I will not be able to drink/bond/mourn with everyone (on the same level). Being sober I'll be on the outside of that, while doing it in my own way. Definitely an experience I would prefer to do intoxicated though. But I won't.

I have not experienced this much pain in a long time, if ever. Given where I've been mentally for the past 5 years or so and this new intense pain/loss, I imagine it will be a catalyst for some significant changes in my life. I do feel fortunate today to be able to experience life. Every little thing seems significant, because these are all things that my friend will never experience again. I sat in the rain last night feeling the sensation of it hitting my skin, both in appreciation of being able to experience that and also in sorrow in that my friend cannot. Anyway...I will get through it and I will see where I'm at then.
Really????? Your post on the 15th said you are content being sober - Read the above and tell me why I think that is bullshit! In some ways this seems to me like the fable “The Emperor's New Clothes”. We can all see your nakedness. I think deep down, you can too – and I think it frightens you enough that you don't want to face it.

BtH, Ever since you got here, you were too good for any program. Like an incorrigible teen, you bucked any structure, any discipline. You have been here a total of about 600 days. In the practical sense, you learned nothing. Nada. Zero. Squat. Zilch. Whenever anybody talked to you about a program, you philosophized. You argued. You implied that programs were for the un-enlightened. That attitude is familiar with addicts. It is the attitude of failure. We can smell it from a mile off – so please, if you ever come back here, leave that refuse at the door, because I for one and going to put a boot in your ass if I ever read that drivel again.

Finally: A failure can be two things: A learning experience that causes fundamental change in thinking, or just another sad testimony of your self destruction. Based on the things documented here, I think you are a LONG way from your personal rock bottom. I think this failure is an omen of things to come in other areas of your life. I can only hope that you hit rock bottom without killing yourself or anybody else. Good luck.

30yrAddict.
30 year - wisdom. Great statements to the weak. Bth, you are miserable. Quit and your misery will get worse but you haven't walked through the storm far enough to feel the break of sunlight on your soul yet.

Stick with the program for 100 days. Stop glamorizing that mourning is better under some type of influence. My dad was killed tragically and unexpected. I surffered every emotion clean and sober. So happy I did because I saw and experienced things that I cherish. Had I been buzzing or drunk, I might have missed or excused the experience away. I was sober and it was real.

So read this and live this until you smell, taste, and finally feel what freedom from vice is. EMBRACE THE SUCK.

No one needs to lose their mind in addiction. Use the steps and you will prefer good and bad experiences with a clean, sober mind.

You want to feel happy? Get yourself out of the misery of addiction once and for all. If you don't, your bitching is wasted and serves no purpose.

And to that I say...crack a bottle and smoke with the others that are slaves to their vices.

We quit here. There may be rages, drama, struggles etc. True quitters get past that and fight through it...to win freedom over vice every fucking day. It's awesome to live nic free! When will you finally want to feel and understand that truth?
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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2012, 06:37:00 AM »
Enough certainly is enough.
Quote from: Breaking
I'll try to keep this brief and to the point.  While in Vegas on Wednesday for a 24 hour trip down to attend the viewing of my close friend who passed away I broke my quit.  I purchased a pack of cigarettes and smoked about half of them, bumming most of the rest out and leaving the remaining couple in the pack at the hotel prior to leaving.  I did not post roll that day because I intended to smoke and/or dip.  It was a conscious decision which was well thought out in advance.  For those of you who know me (as much as anyone does here) you know I am also sober (quit date was the same as my sober date).   I've remained sober and have no intention to drink/use.  I'm actually about the best I've ever been with that aspect.  My desire to drink/use has gone away, at least for the time being. I know I can enjoy life sober, but I digress..

I returned home and didn't smoke/dip and decided the Vegas smoking would be an isolated incident.  I rationalized this and that and a few days later (Tuesday I think) I bought a can.  I wasn't really sure where it was going.  Since my friend's passing I've had some completely new views on life, one of which is I'm going to what makes me happy even if is against what I'm supposed to do.  This was a large part of what led me to break my nic quit.  But I quickly realized that being a slave to nicotine is not what I want to do/be and I can't just dip/smoke regularly without a high chance of becoming an everyday user again.  It's just not an option. Also, for those of you who have thought about going back...it's not that great.  The first cig felt nice but then I was pretty indifferent to it.  The first dip was nice for about 5 mins and then it was just "meh".  I even found myself forcing myself to dip again prior to having a craving (habits are a powerful thing).

So where does that leave me with KTC?  Well, I've shit on Sep 11 and July 11 given the all or nothing nature of this site.  My primary regret is that I may have weakened some resolves by deciding to use again.  However, hopefully my choices will have the opposite effect.  Knowing that all of that obsession about using again culminated in a lackluster finale with following dependency will hopefully steer people away.  If you don't want to have to quit again, don't use again.  It really isn't worth it.

So where does that leave me in life?  I was going to continue to use through my friends formal service on Saturday and quit again Sunday.  But, I can't keep doing it.  Every time I took a dip I felt like a slave and a hypocrite.  So my can was emptied and tossed this morning and I'm now a non smoker/dipper again. 

I'm also quitting all of the other shit I've been meaning to off and on for years.  All of it, all right now.  Fuck waiting, life is short and I want my total freedom now.  Even while not dipping/smoking/drinking I was a total addict.  I just transferred my compulsive needs to other vices.  There was little/no net progress.   But now I'm moving way beyond the scope of this thread/post.

I'm not going to be posting on KTC regularly anymore.  I would like to stop in and say hi once in a while to July 11 and Sep 11 but if they don't want me to I understand.

Anyway, I am truly sorry if I weakened anyone's quit but this was something that I had to do.  I had to 'go back out', see what I was missing (nothing), and move on to the next chapter.  That's all for now, I could ramble on for hours.
I was here when you unpacked your bags. I watched you fail. I watched you get back up. Then I watched you fail again.

It was disappointing to read of your cave. It was even more disappointing that you chose to use an excuse to defend your cave. Yes, losing a friend is a bitch. No, it didn't have ANYTHING to do with you caving. At 600 days here, I KNOW you knew that. I KNOW that you knew it was a lie, a cop out when you posted that up as an excuse for your cave.

My disappointment turned to unbridled rage when I saw what you posted up in Alc Quit:
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BtH - 537; Haven't posted here in over a week, doesn't appear anyone noticed (outside of my nic quit). I broke my nic quit. I'm still sober and am finally content with being sober for the unknown future. I'm the best I've ever been in that regard. Anyway, take care.
Doesn't appear that anybody noticed? WTF is that supposed to mean? You had a phone full of numbers. You knew where we were. You CHOSE to fail. Like LooT said: This failure is on you- and only you. To make an implication that people here were responsible in some way, that we were apathetic is a slap in the face. How dare you, indeed.....

Then there was this:
Quote from: BtH
The Fuck Its (life is short, who gives a fuck) are battling the Fuck It's (Fuck addiction and all of the misery it brings). At this point I don't want to drink. I do want to smoke. And I am very unhappy that I will not be able to drink/bond/mourn with everyone (on the same level). Being sober I'll be on the outside of that, while doing it in my own way. Definitely an experience I would prefer to do intoxicated though. But I won't.

I have not experienced this much pain in a long time, if ever. Given where I've been mentally for the past 5 years or so and this new intense pain/loss, I imagine it will be a catalyst for some significant changes in my life. I do feel fortunate today to be able to experience life. Every little thing seems significant, because these are all things that my friend will never experience again. I sat in the rain last night feeling the sensation of it hitting my skin, both in appreciation of being able to experience that and also in sorrow in that my friend cannot. Anyway...I will get through it and I will see where I'm at then.
Really????? Your post on the 15th said you are content being sober - Read the above and tell me why I think that is bullshit! In some ways this seems to me like the fable “The Emperor's New Clothes”. We can all see your nakedness. I think deep down, you can too – and I think it frightens you enough that you don't want to face it.

BtH, Ever since you got here, you were too good for any program. Like an incorrigible teen, you bucked any structure, any discipline. You have been here a total of about 600 days. In the practical sense, you learned nothing. Nada. Zero. Squat. Zilch. Whenever anybody talked to you about a program, you philosophized. You argued. You implied that programs were for the un-enlightened. That attitude is familiar with addicts. It is the attitude of failure. We can smell it from a mile off – so please, if you ever come back here, leave that refuse at the door, because I for one and going to put a boot in your ass if I ever read that drivel again.

Finally: A failure can be two things: A learning experience that causes fundamental change in thinking, or just another sad testimony of your self destruction. Based on the things documented here, I think you are a LONG way from your personal rock bottom. I think this failure is an omen of things to come in other areas of your life. I can only hope that you hit rock bottom without killing yourself or anybody else. Good luck.

30yrAddict.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2011, 03:21:00 AM »
Day 17, nice. I've been drinking a bunch still. Thanks for the post Greg and I get ya. Ready just came off as a 'holier than thou' prick in his post imo. Reading it again I come to the same conclusion. I guess he was trying to help? But...


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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2011, 10:13:00 AM »
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Honestly it's a bit concerning that a moderator of the site is telling me that I'm failing because I'm drinking. This isn't alcoholics anonymous. I'll drink if I so choose. Just because you couldn't drink and quit doesn't mean I can't. Perhaps I like to put myself in a precarious position and rise to the challenge. Or, maybe I have a drinking problem (lol). Either way, thanks for the input.

Btw are you aware McDonalds has a buy one get one free deal on Big Mac's and Quarter Pounder's? I don't eat that shit very often but it's a hell of a deal.
The reason you are being cautioned about drikning is we have seen MANY come in here and brag about being able to drink and quit at the same time and the resulsts have been terrible. Look back and find the posts by Chugg. He could drink and stay quit; loved to test his mettle also. Alcohol has wrecked more than one quit.

We caution all new quitters on laying off the sauce until they have a better handle on their quit. Whether you believe it or not drinking lowers your ability to say NO to shit you should. Your quit should be protected at all costs. How long did it take you to begin this quit ?

You can test your mettle later in your quit and believe me the booze will still be there. For now if you want to test your mettle go parachuting, wrestle alligators, charm Cobras, but drinking alot this early in your quit is a bad idea. Just my .02

Carry on....

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2011, 05:19:00 AM »
Honestly it's a bit concerning that a moderator of the site is telling me that I'm failing because I'm drinking. This isn't alcoholics anonymous. I'll drink if I so choose. Just because you couldn't drink and quit doesn't mean I can't. Perhaps I like to put myself in a precarious position and rise to the challenge. Or, maybe I have a drinking problem (lol). Either way, thanks for the input.

Btw are you aware McDonalds has a buy one get one free deal on Big Mac's and Quarter Pounder's? I don't eat that shit very often but it's a hell of a deal.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2011, 05:11:00 AM »
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Drinking again tonight.  I only have the classic Smokey Mountain, fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Time to test that mettle. :D
No, really it's not time to test yourself. In fact, you should be doing everything possible to protect your quit.

Why would you do this?

Really. Why?

Fail.
Fail?

I don't see a fail.

It will take more than a few beers to make me cave.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2011, 02:03:00 AM »
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Drinking again tonight. I only have the classic Smokey Mountain, fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Time to test that mettle. :D
No, really it's not time to test yourself. In fact, you should be doing everything possible to protect your quit.

Why would you do this?

Really. Why?


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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2011, 01:49:00 AM »
Drinking again tonight. I only have the classic Smokey Mountain, fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Time to test that mettle. :D

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2011, 03:22:00 PM »
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Personally I like hooch the best of all of the fakes.  Comes pretty quick when you order it, too.

Just my $.02

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Which flavor? Maybe I'll grab the sample pack.
I like the wintergreen, as that was closest to the poison I chewed (Griz wintergreen). I have heard cope quitters who like the straight/original. I did try the cherry, It was a dead ringer for the deadly stuff. Hooch was very helpful early in my quit, I am chewing less and less as I get further along.

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I actually just picked up some hooch from the store today. Took my first dip of what they call "spitfire". Its hot, but gives the nice burn the bitch used to give. I'm also just about to try the original flavor, because I heard its like Copenhagen and that was be shitmix before....

So I suggest you guys try the spitfire hooch.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2011, 03:07:00 PM »
Double digits baby!

Day 10

Feels good! No, fuck that. IT FEELS GREAT!!!

I'm surprised at how being able to achieve my goal daily of not dipping has transitioned into the rest of my life. Before, caving to dip everyday made it easier to cave to other temptations in my life. "I'll do that tomorrow, right now I'm going to eat, watch the game, and have a few dips." Now, I don't have that escape and it's strangely liberating. I'm free to do what I have to do or more importantly what I really want to do, looking forward. Plus, dipping (at least for the last few years) would always depress me since I knew it was wrong but I was too weak to quit it. Now that I've buried the bitch, it provides further self assurance that I can take care of other difficult crap in my life. I mean, if I can beat dip, I can surely ____________.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2011, 01:35:00 AM »
Right on, maybe I'll pick up a few cans. I've been buying a bunch of shit off ebay and amazon the past couple of days so it's going to be like X mas at my house for the next two weeks or so, getting new crap at the door every couple of days. Might as well add some more presents!

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2011, 10:30:00 PM »
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Personally I like hooch the best of all of the fakes.  Comes pretty quick when you order it, too.

Just my $.02

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Which flavor? Maybe I'll grab the sample pack.
I like the wintergreen, as that was closest to the poison I chewed (Griz wintergreen). I have heard cope quitters who like the straight/original. I did try the cherry, It was a dead ringer for the deadly stuff. Hooch was very helpful early in my quit, I am chewing less and less as I get further along.

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Re: Enough is enough
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2011, 10:12:00 PM »
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Personally I like hooch the best of all of the fakes. Comes pretty quick when you order it, too.

Just my $.02

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Which flavor? Maybe I'll grab the sample pack.