Neeeeeddddd to quit

[Scowick65]

Maybe this will help with some of the thoughts you are having.  You were not smarter, more alert, more relaxed, none of that is true.  It is shit you made up in your mind to justify stuffing poison in your face. 

STAY CLEAN !!


Understanding your enemy.

**Portions taken from an article on Whyquit.com**

As teenagers, what most of us thought would be a brief rebellious experiment was quickly transformed into a powerful lifelong chemical addiction as daily multiple nicotine feedings quickly became mandatory. New studies confirm that for some of us it only took coughing and hacking our way through a few nicotine laden cigarettes, or a few pinches of tobacco before the shackles of slavery began to take control. Five, ten, fifteen nicotine fixes a day became the norm, our way of life- when will enough be enough became the question. "Tomorrow, tomorrow I will quit” or "I love tobacco, it helps me think" “ “It helps me remain calm”, and many other lies we told ourselves daily. Welcome to the realities of true chemical dependency. A world built upon lies; Lies sold to you by big tobacco and lies you told yourself.

Psychologists calls our lies denial. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism - just below the surface - we use for resolving the emotional conflict and anxieties that naturally arise from living in a permanent state of self-destructive chemical bondage. Three primary areas of denial relied upon by nicotine addicts are dependency denial, cost denial and recovery denial. In each, truth is sacrificed in exchange for peace of mind while remaining hostage in an artificial world of "nicotine normal," or to justify relapse. I know I told my self hundreds of times I could quit whenever I wanted to, I just did not want to quit. Tobacco kept me calm, helped me concentrate, gave me energy.. what horseshit. I know you all used this one too “ I will quit when Skoal reaches XXX per can I will quit.” All forms of denial to help you cope with your addiction.

Most nicotine addicts are completely insulated by a thick blanket of unconscious denial rationalizations, minimizations, fault projections, escapes, intellectualizations and delusions that hide the pain of captivity or create the illusion that lifes problems are somehow being solved by using. The average addict musters the confidence to challenge their addiction about once every three years, at which time roughly 1 in 20 will succeed in breaking free for an entire year. These horrible recovery statistics evenutally result in half of us dying by our own hand, with male users losing an average of 13 years of life expectancy and females losing 14 years. Our senseless self-destruction is undeniable visible evidence of denial's depth, and the power of this addiction. The addiction insulated us from the extreme price being paid with each and every puff or pinch - a little more of life itself taken, all to line the pockets of big tobacco.

Sadly for far too many the three years between recovery attempts will be too long. According to the World Health Organization the next three years will cost 15 million of our brother and sister addicts their lives. If you are here reading this you are at a crossroads. You want to quit but are not sure you can. This is where you need to be. It will be tough, you will have to endure some pain but it can be done. As a former can to can and a half a day user I can attest to the fact that this site and the methods here do work. You have a choice to make today, another try in three years may be too late.

Make no mistakes, this is a battle for your lives. What will your decision be ?

I could use a motivational speech like that once or twice a day :)

Me too. I have found that this site is full of them. Look in words of wisdom and HOF speeches. I also have read an old group from day one to day 100.

When I am down and need a bit of motivation I start reading. Stay quit. I am glad you are here.

[alwaysskoalin]

Maybe this will help with some of the thoughts you are having. You were not smarter, more alert, more relaxed, none of that is true. It is shit you made up in your mind to justify stuffing poison in your face.

STAY CLEAN !!


Understanding your enemy.

**Portions taken from an article on Whyquit.com**

As teenagers, what most of us thought would be a brief rebellious experiment was quickly transformed into a powerful lifelong chemical addiction as daily multiple nicotine feedings quickly became mandatory. New studies confirm that for some of us it only took coughing and hacking our way through a few nicotine laden cigarettes, or a few pinches of tobacco before the shackles of slavery began to take control. Five, ten, fifteen nicotine fixes a day became the norm, our way of life- when will enough be enough became the question. "Tomorrow, tomorrow I will quit” or "I love tobacco, it helps me think" “ “It helps me remain calm”, and many other lies we told ourselves daily. Welcome to the realities of true chemical dependency. A world built upon lies; Lies sold to you by big tobacco and lies you told yourself.

Psychologists calls our lies denial. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism - just below the surface - we use for resolving the emotional conflict and anxieties that naturally arise from living in a permanent state of self-destructive chemical bondage. Three primary areas of denial relied upon by nicotine addicts are dependency denial, cost denial and recovery denial. In each, truth is sacrificed in exchange for peace of mind while remaining hostage in an artificial world of "nicotine normal," or to justify relapse. I know I told my self hundreds of times I could quit whenever I wanted to, I just did not want to quit. Tobacco kept me calm, helped me concentrate, gave me energy.. what horseshit. I know you all used this one too “ I will quit when Skoal reaches XXX per can I will quit.” All forms of denial to help you cope with your addiction.

Most nicotine addicts are completely insulated by a thick blanket of unconscious denial rationalizations, minimizations, fault projections, escapes, intellectualizations and delusions that hide the pain of captivity or create the illusion that lifes problems are somehow being solved by using. The average addict musters the confidence to challenge their addiction about once every three years, at which time roughly 1 in 20 will succeed in breaking free for an entire year. These horrible recovery statistics evenutally result in half of us dying by our own hand, with male users losing an average of 13 years of life expectancy and females losing 14 years. Our senseless self-destruction is undeniable visible evidence of denial's depth, and the power of this addiction. The addiction insulated us from the extreme price being paid with each and every puff or pinch - a little more of life itself taken, all to line the pockets of big tobacco.

Sadly for far too many the three years between recovery attempts will be too long. According to the World Health Organization the next three years will cost 15 million of our brother and sister addicts their lives. If you are here reading this you are at a crossroads. You want to quit but are not sure you can. This is where you need to be. It will be tough, you will have to endure some pain but it can be done. As a former can to can and a half a day user I can attest to the fact that this site and the methods here do work. You have a choice to make today, another try in three years may be too late.

Make no mistakes, this is a battle for your lives. What will your decision be ?

I could use a motivational speech like that once or twice a day :)

[Greg5280]

Maybe this will help with some of the thoughts you are having. You were not smarter, more alert, more relaxed, none of that is true. It is shit you made up in your mind to justify stuffing poison in your face.

STAY CLEAN !!


Understanding your enemy.

**Portions taken from an article on Whyquit.com**

As teenagers, what most of us thought would be a brief rebellious experiment was quickly transformed into a powerful lifelong chemical addiction as daily multiple nicotine feedings quickly became mandatory. New studies confirm that for some of us it only took coughing and hacking our way through a few nicotine laden cigarettes, or a few pinches of tobacco before the shackles of slavery began to take control. Five, ten, fifteen nicotine fixes a day became the norm, our way of life- when will enough be enough became the question. "Tomorrow, tomorrow I will quit” or "I love tobacco, it helps me think" “ “It helps me remain calm”, and many other lies we told ourselves daily. Welcome to the realities of true chemical dependency. A world built upon lies; Lies sold to you by big tobacco and lies you told yourself.

Psychologists calls our lies denial. Denial is an unconscious defense mechanism - just below the surface - we use for resolving the emotional conflict and anxieties that naturally arise from living in a permanent state of self-destructive chemical bondage. Three primary areas of denial relied upon by nicotine addicts are dependency denial, cost denial and recovery denial. In each, truth is sacrificed in exchange for peace of mind while remaining hostage in an artificial world of "nicotine normal," or to justify relapse. I know I told my self hundreds of times I could quit whenever I wanted to, I just did not want to quit. Tobacco kept me calm, helped me concentrate, gave me energy.. what horseshit. I know you all used this one too “ I will quit when Skoal reaches XXX per can I will quit.” All forms of denial to help you cope with your addiction.

Most nicotine addicts are completely insulated by a thick blanket of unconscious denial rationalizations, minimizations, fault projections, escapes, intellectualizations and delusions that hide the pain of captivity or create the illusion that lifes problems are somehow being solved by using. The average addict musters the confidence to challenge their addiction about once every three years, at which time roughly 1 in 20 will succeed in breaking free for an entire year. These horrible recovery statistics evenutally result in half of us dying by our own hand, with male users losing an average of 13 years of life expectancy and females losing 14 years. Our senseless self-destruction is undeniable visible evidence of denial's depth, and the power of this addiction. The addiction insulated us from the extreme price being paid with each and every puff or pinch - a little more of life itself taken, all to line the pockets of big tobacco.

Sadly for far too many the three years between recovery attempts will be too long. According to the World Health Organization the next three years will cost 15 million of our brother and sister addicts their lives. If you are here reading this you are at a crossroads. You want to quit but are not sure you can. This is where you need to be. It will be tough, you will have to endure some pain but it can be done. As a former can to can and a half a day user I can attest to the fact that this site and the methods here do work. You have a choice to make today, another try in three years may be too late.

Make no mistakes, this is a battle for your lives. What will your decision be ?

[ninereasons]

Honestly, it sucks really, really bad.  But it's not as bad as I thought it would be.  The only problem is I was alert and felt like a genius, always in control of my thoughts.  Now I feel like a dumbass who takes 5 min to write a sentence.  Please tell me this shit goes away, that I will be smart again cuz I feel like an idiot.  This is the only thing that's bothering me.  I have read that nicotine is an alert drug just as alcohol is a drunken drug- http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Symptoms.html.  I guess we will see what happens.

It takes a while, but the delusion that dip made you smarter and more alert absolutely does go away.

[bnlelliott]

Honestly, it sucks really, really bad.  But it's not as bad as I thought it would be.  The only problem is I was alert and felt like a genius, always in control of my thoughts.  Now I feel like a dumbass who takes 5 min to write a sentence.  Please tell me this shit goes away, that I will be smart again cuz I feel like an idiot.  This is the only thing that's bothering me.  I have read that nicotine is an alert drug just as alcohol is a drunken drug- http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Symptoms.html.  I guess we will see what happens.

I'm not sure that I want to be smart like I was before again...smart like I was before meant fillin my lip as soon as I got out of bed...and keeping it full until I went back to bed (unless I fell asleep with it in). It does get better...the fog goes away, the funk goes away. However, may I suggest that right now you EMBRACE the fog, EMBRACE the suck...remember every little thing you feel right now and put the blame where it belongs...on the nic. That way you'll understand that even if I go back for just one...you'll just be right back here to the fog and suck again some day. Power through it...embrace it...remember it...and NEVER walk this way again. You need anything let me know

[alwaysskoalin]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

You're right magnum... I'm gaining a little more confidence with every hour because I haven't done this well on quittin in 8 years. This was a major step for me because I couldn't make it a day without chewin, shit prolly even a half of a day. I think this site is actually gonna help me quit, you all are the shit. Thanks

It isn't just going to help you, it is going to hold your hand through the first few weeks. In fact I am trying to offer you (in a non-gay way) my personal assistance to get you through that point.

You gonna take me up on that? I want you to show me that you want this. Click on my screen name and select send Personal Message on the right side and send me your phone number! I am taking you from day 1 through two weeks. Send your number now! It will mean more to you at two weeks even if it sound ridiculous right now.

Magnum

You got this always. It's actually easier then you think.

1. Post roll that you quit for the day
2. Be a man of your word.

That's it my man! Sure, the craves, retarded fog, bitchy attitude, and sleepless nights all suck ass but quitting is as easy as 2 steps 1 day at a time.

I think it's worth it, don't you?

Welcome.

Honestly, it sucks really, really bad. But it's not as bad as I thought it would be. The only problem is I was alert and felt like a genius, always in control of my thoughts. Now I feel like a dumbass who takes 5 min to write a sentence. Please tell me this shit goes away, that I will be smart again cuz I feel like an idiot. This is the only thing that's bothering me. I have read that nicotine is an alert drug just as alcohol is a drunken drug- http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Symptoms.html. I guess we will see what happens.

[shortround]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

You're right magnum... I'm gaining a little more confidence with every hour because I haven't done this well on quittin in 8 years. This was a major step for me because I couldn't make it a day without chewin, shit prolly even a half of a day. I think this site is actually gonna help me quit, you all are the shit. Thanks

It isn't just going to help you, it is going to hold your hand through the first few weeks. In fact I am trying to offer you (in a non-gay way) my personal assistance to get you through that point.

You gonna take me up on that? I want you to show me that you want this. Click on my screen name and select send Personal Message on the right side and send me your phone number! I am taking you from day 1 through two weeks. Send your number now! It will mean more to you at two weeks even if it sound ridiculous right now.

Magnum

You got this always. It's actually easier then you think.

1. Post roll that you quit for the day
2. Be a man of your word.

That's it my man! Sure, the craves, retarded fog, bitchy attitude, and sleepless nights all suck ass but quitting is as easy as 2 steps 1 day at a time.

I think it's worth it, don't you?

Welcome.

[alwaysskoalin]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

You're right magnum... I'm gaining a little more confidence with every hour because I haven't done this well on quittin in 8 years. This was a major step for me because I couldn't make it a day without chewin, shit prolly even a half of a day. I think this site is actually gonna help me quit, you all are the shit. Thanks

It isn't just going to help you, it is going to hold your hand through the first few weeks. In fact I am trying to offer you (in a non-gay way) my personal assistance to get you through that point.

You gonna take me up on that? I want you to show me that you want this. Click on my screen name and select send Personal Message on the right side and send me your phone number! I am taking you from day 1 through two weeks. Send your number now! It will mean more to you at two weeks even if it sound ridiculous right now.

Magnum

I appreciate that. I'm actually going right now to see if my phone is fixed and ready to be picked up. I dropped it other day and the back-light broke (whatever the f that is). So I ask them if the insurance I pay for will pay for it and they say the deductible will be more than the 90 bucks to fix it. So I said why the f do I have the insurance then. Anyway I'll send u a message later after I get my phone. Thanks.

[magnum9]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

You're right magnum... I'm gaining a little more confidence with every hour because I haven't done this well on quittin in 8 years. This was a major step for me because I couldn't make it a day without chewin, shit prolly even a half of a day. I think this site is actually gonna help me quit, you all are the shit. Thanks

It isn't just going to help you, it is going to hold your hand through the first few weeks. In fact I am trying to offer you (in a non-gay way) my personal assistance to get you through that point.

You gonna take me up on that? I want you to show me that you want this. Click on my screen name and select send Personal Message on the right side and send me your phone number! I am taking you from day 1 through two weeks. Send your number now! It will mean more to you at two weeks even if it sound ridiculous right now.

Magnum

[alwaysskoalin]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

You're right magnum... I'm gaining a little more confidence with every hour because I haven't done this well on quittin in 8 years. This was a major step for me because I couldn't make it a day without chewin, shit prolly even a half of a day. I think this site is actually gonna help me quit, you all are the shit. Thanks

[magnum9]

I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.

I just want to point out that this is bullshit alwaysskoalin.... Bullshit... you CAN eat, watch a movie, drive, and EVERYthing without a dip!

You CAN!

The only thing you can't do without a dip is dip. Get it?

Your sentence should have read: Once upon a time I made myself a slave so I could not eat, drive, watch a movie...

Today you made the promise, tomorrow you will do it again. Make the promise and keep it. You will never again during you entire existence do anything with that nasty shit in your lip.

Sounds good doesn't it. Look around you, there are so many people making this promise every day. None of us are different than you. Even the vets have to make that promise every day.

Get the picture? Post roll and never ever use that shit again.

Oh yeah, get some phone numbers.

Magnum

[rob2857]

Thanks everyone, it helps to know you are all there and have been through this. Just got a bunch of suckers, candy, and smokey mountain. I got patches too but then I just read that this is totally nic free, which is fine. Appreciate all the info, posts, and advice guys.
Ryan

Yeah, no gum, no patches, but nic-free chew is fine if it helps you kick the habit. Eventually you will have to deal with the oral fixation, but for now, getting the nic out of your system and fighting the cravings is more important. Stay strong and remember that the people on this site are here to help you, even if sometimes people seem a little hostile or critical of you. Its all part of being new and honestly is partially due to the atmosphere of this site. Just remember that this site will help you like no nicotine patch or piece of gum ever will as long as you dedicate yourself. Welcome and stay quit!

[alwaysskoalin]

Thanks everyone, it helps to know you are all there and have been through this. Just got a bunch of suckers, candy, and smokey mountain. I got patches too but then I just read that this is totally nic free, which is fine. Appreciate all the info, posts, and advice guys.
Ryan

[markr]

Don't even know how I got to this site today but I'm glad I did.  I have tried quitting a million times- set dates, bought the gum, everything!  Most of my friends dip and one of my best friend's just quit a few months ago, but I have way more of an addictive personality than him.  On the days I've tried to quit and actually made it to the evening, I would get really tired, feel sick, and just stare blankly at my work- so much that I can't even do my work- but I know if I quit it will be all good.  I have asthma and anxiety, and that makes it even more important that I quit.  I've been chewing for almost 13 years now and there is no way I can do this without you all.  I feel like I have so much in common with all of you already.  I can't eat, watch a movie, take a drive, or anything without having or thinking about having a dip.  I just dumped all my chew down the toilet......again, but now for the last time.  I can't wait to get started and meet all of you that know what I'm going through.  I will gladly accept any advice.  Thanks,
Ryan

Ryan

I saw your handle and it hit a note with me. I dipped Skoal for 38 years I had it in from wake up to bedtime and sometimes even slept with it in. Trust me this will be the hardest thing you will ever do but it is also one of the most rewarding things. You will be sick you will feel like crap you will want to kill everyone around you. This is all part of the quit embrace it you must want to quit more than anything you must fight every waking moment to stay quit. I will tell you it will get easier but it is never easy. Follow your group you can do this but you must fight for it because the Nic Bitch will try to lure you back trust me.

This site will help you win but you must play by our rules Caving is not an option you must do something else. I will be at 2 year April 1st so I can tell you this place works.

Stay quit!

Mark

[30yraddict]

Hi Ryan,

Great decision to quit! The next 72 hours are going to be the toughest as the nicotine leaves your body. As far as advice:

1. You are not quitting chew/dip, you are quitting nicotine. Nic gum is just another delivery method for nicotine as are patches. Until you have given up all nicotine, you are not allowed to post in a quit group.

2. Assuming that you have quit all nicotine, the next most important thing to understand is how this site works. The essence of this community is the act of posting roll. We post roll at the earliest possible point in the day as a promise to everyone that we will not use any form of nicotine JUST FOR THAT DAY. Don't look any further ahead than that. Tomorrow you will wake up and quit again just for that day. We hold each other responsible and accountable to that promise.

3. Your quit is a decision that is yours alone to make: no one can make you quit, you have to do it for yourself. The second part of this is just as important: no one can make you cave. In other words, lack of support by your wife/parents/brother/sister/kids/boss, or the stress at home or work do not determine the success of your quit. Your firm decision to remain quit no matter what determines the success of your quit.

Here are some links you might find helpful:



A how to get started by Remy:

index.php?showtopic=1360

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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS

index.php?showtopic=88

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Roll call, why we do it your word by LOOT.

index.php?showtopic=120

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What to Expect when you quit.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp

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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp

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Contract to give up...

http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp

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Smokeless alternatives

http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

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Words of Wisdom, Read them all

index.php?showforum=41

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May 2008 TTFers

index.php?showtopic=1179

Read this group from the very first post to the very last post.

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How to post roll.

index.php?showtopic=50

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How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last (MOST RECENT) Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, check to see that the last few people to post are still on your roll call. Keep your word.

Welcome,

30yrAddict