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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2015, 10:22:00 PM »
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #97 on: December 19, 2015, 07:19:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
That is sound advice for sure. Contrary to popular believe, my doctor had me walking 3 miles per day. I did that for a good while until my back happened. I woke up one morning and could all but not walk. The years of abuse had finally caught up to me. Also, I had fallen off the back end of a combine which didnt help. I had an MRI done and got a 8 page report on how bad my back really was. When my doctor talked with me about it she said ray do you know how bad this is and what all this report means? I was like well no. Im not a doctor. In her exact words were, you are in trouble.

When I fell off the combine I blew 3 discs in my back and my spine shifted a half inch. As the old term goes you are off your rocker, I am literally off my rocker by 1/2 inch. That is where that old term comes from..... Spinal stenosis.

Another little tid bit as well. When I eat, it is out of a 3 chamber plate. I wish I could include a pic. It only allows for so much and that is it and I only eat one plate. Now it was pointed out that I was a food addict..... Nice ....... I like it. That is reaching for straws when you dont know the whole story. Truth be know I eat less than most people. MY issue is I can't get up and move to work it off. plain and simple. I know ...... I used to be there too. Fat person means he or she eats so fucking much their grocery bill must bankrupt them. Most of the time that is true but not always. So PLEASE understand ones story before assuming the worst.

My Neuro surgeon said he will do surgery on my back to get me back up and walking again if I can loose 80 lb. Ok liquid diet and weight loss surgery it is. So went to talk to weight loss specialist and they wont do weight loss surgery until I can get up and walk at least 1 mile. Catch 22. I'm fucking stuck!!!!! Now what? So now I am walking on my tread mill and it fucks up on me. I talk to the manufacturer and their is a 300 lb weight limit. REAL FUCKING GOOD.

I am real close to just saying fuck it and giving up. BUT I won't!!! That is what most people think I am doing or am going to do. I will find a way one way or the other. I quit smoking 3 packs per day and I quit dipping. 2 of the hardest things to do. Now on to the rest of my life which I refuse to give up on.


Ray AKA DjPorkchop day 93 ODAAT EDD WUPP FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
Ray, sounds like time to get creative... not sure if any of this is practical for you but might spark an idea that will work. Thinking out loud, walking is good because it exercises large muscle groups ... swimming would as well, but problematic in winter. Do they make something like a recumbent exercise bicycle? (Or the exercise resistance unit attached to one). Can you do lots of things like arm curls (it would take a shitload of reps, but it is active)? I'm thinking any sustained activity that lasted half an hour a couple times a day would be helpful.

You have your goals to break the catch 22. Somewhere is a way to reach them.
Wow Chop, that is some major life issues you are dealing with. But what i take from your attitude is you are bad ass, And have the attitude of a warrior. I'm proud of you, quit brother.
Ray a.k.a. Chop,

Want to share something with you man. Maybe this can provide some additional motivation, maybe not. Either way, your mention about your situation took me back to a dark place...

My father started taking a turn for the worse and allowing himself to become stagnant when I was maybe 5 or so. By the time I was playing 12 and under baseball he was too large to get out of his vehicle to watch me play ball. So he parked that fucking Ford Ranger alongside the 3rd base line and watched from inside the cab. In 7-8 years, he had gone from 6'2'' 195lbs to 6'2'' 390lbs.

He pretty much has maintained that shape until about 6 months ago when he finally decided to get his shit under control. From my vantage point, I have hated my father since I was a boy... and it was a hatred based on the fact that despite my young age, I knew his weight was something he could control, and chose not too. All of the shit that I missed out on requiring his participation was particularly painful as I had some friends whose fathers were never in the picture or had passed away prematurely. Mine, on the other hand, other than being grossly obese, what completely healthy.

My dad and I went to the World Series to watch our Rangers play not 5 years ago and he never made it out of the parking lot. I walked into the Ballpark by myself with an $800 premium ticket in my pocket, had some drinks at a bar inside the stadium, and ended up upgrading a guy I met that was sitting in the outfield upper deck. I was never so fucking angry in my entire life. I was angry to the point I gave away an $800 ticket just because I knew I had wasted my money on my father. For really the first time in my life, I was finally in a financial position to do something for him, rather than him for me, and his fat ass couldn't even enjoy it.

Now, I hear what you're saying about how you practice portion control, but it is physically impossible to wind up 350+ if you're following a strict diet. It's anatomically impossible. So, I urge you to re-evaluate that. Not calling you out, but I know a thing or two about what kind of caloric intake is required to maintain a certain weight with no other factors considered. Your Basal Metabolic Rate (look it up), is the bare minimum of calories your body needs to take in just to stay alive... think of it as how many calories you would need if you were strapped to a bed 24/7.

My father finally decided to take his life back, and with the help of a FitBit, MyFitnessPal to track his food, and a bare minimum of physical activity (walking), he has dropped 75 lbs in 5 months. He's at a point now where he no longer has to have a C-pap machine strapped to his face while sleeping because his weight is no-longer suffocating him. That means he's sleeping better, which in turn means he has more energy, which in turn means his metabolism isn't the gutter, which in turn means he's more active, which in turn means he's burning more calories per day.... you get the point.

Now I know your back is fucked up proper and I cannot imagine that pain that is causing you... but that pain is a way of your body screaming at you to give in some help. Your frame was never meant to support that amount of weight. Start small, ANYTHING. Re-evaluate your portions, and more importantly, what is making up those portions. Eating healthy, although generally more expensive than not, does not have to break your bank. I know you feel like you're against the wall and in a place where "fuck it what's the point? it's too late" seems reasonable... but if you do not attack your weight problem with the same vigor you quit the Nic Bitch, none of this will matter. 385, unless you're 6'8" and above, will kill you dead. Just as cancer or any other terminal illness.

Where there is a will... there is a fucking way. Imagine the pride your wife and children will have as they see you kick the shit out of this weight problem and start to take back your life. I guarantee you spinal issues will begin to fade as your internal structure no longer has to bear such a load.

If this came across as harsh, I apologize. Watching my father in this state for the past 25 years of my life has had a big time negative effect on our relationship. A lot of years slipped away because dad couldn't move more than 200 feet without needing a 10 minute break. Don't let that shit happen with your kids.

-JP; and I quit with you today my friend

I quit with you today DJ.

I'm the one that called you a food addict. That doesn't mean that you eat 3 dozen eggs and a slab of bacon for breakfast in my mind. Food regulates our hormones and determines how we feel. It is the ultimate drug, because we cannot quit cold turkey and just say NAFAR. I'm a food addict too. Every day I struggle with food. This one is damn hard dude.

Winning at this takes time and a whole different approach. A few things... Set a calorie goal that is aggressive and log everything in myfitnesspal that you eat. Make sure it is balanced with protein and carbs making up the bulk of your calories. You can do it.

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #96 on: December 19, 2015, 04:56:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
That is sound advice for sure. Contrary to popular believe, my doctor had me walking 3 miles per day. I did that for a good while until my back happened. I woke up one morning and could all but not walk. The years of abuse had finally caught up to me. Also, I had fallen off the back end of a combine which didnt help. I had an MRI done and got a 8 page report on how bad my back really was. When my doctor talked with me about it she said ray do you know how bad this is and what all this report means? I was like well no. Im not a doctor. In her exact words were, you are in trouble.

When I fell off the combine I blew 3 discs in my back and my spine shifted a half inch. As the old term goes you are off your rocker, I am literally off my rocker by 1/2 inch. That is where that old term comes from..... Spinal stenosis.

Another little tid bit as well. When I eat, it is out of a 3 chamber plate. I wish I could include a pic. It only allows for so much and that is it and I only eat one plate. Now it was pointed out that I was a food addict..... Nice ....... I like it. That is reaching for straws when you dont know the whole story. Truth be know I eat less than most people. MY issue is I can't get up and move to work it off. plain and simple. I know ...... I used to be there too. Fat person means he or she eats so fucking much their grocery bill must bankrupt them. Most of the time that is true but not always. So PLEASE understand ones story before assuming the worst.

My Neuro surgeon said he will do surgery on my back to get me back up and walking again if I can loose 80 lb. Ok liquid diet and weight loss surgery it is. So went to talk to weight loss specialist and they wont do weight loss surgery until I can get up and walk at least 1 mile. Catch 22. I'm fucking stuck!!!!! Now what? So now I am walking on my tread mill and it fucks up on me. I talk to the manufacturer and their is a 300 lb weight limit. REAL FUCKING GOOD.

I am real close to just saying fuck it and giving up. BUT I won't!!! That is what most people think I am doing or am going to do. I will find a way one way or the other. I quit smoking 3 packs per day and I quit dipping. 2 of the hardest things to do. Now on to the rest of my life which I refuse to give up on.


Ray AKA DjPorkchop day 93 ODAAT EDD WUPP FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
Ray, sounds like time to get creative... not sure if any of this is practical for you but might spark an idea that will work. Thinking out loud, walking is good because it exercises large muscle groups ... swimming would as well, but problematic in winter. Do they make something like a recumbent exercise bicycle? (Or the exercise resistance unit attached to one). Can you do lots of things like arm curls (it would take a shitload of reps, but it is active)? I'm thinking any sustained activity that lasted half an hour a couple times a day would be helpful.

You have your goals to break the catch 22. Somewhere is a way to reach them.
Wow Chop, that is some major life issues you are dealing with. But what i take from your attitude is you are bad ass, And have the attitude of a warrior. I'm proud of you, quit brother.
Ray a.k.a. Chop,

Want to share something with you man. Maybe this can provide some additional motivation, maybe not. Either way, your mention about your situation took me back to a dark place...

My father started taking a turn for the worse and allowing himself to become stagnant when I was maybe 5 or so. By the time I was playing 12 and under baseball he was too large to get out of his vehicle to watch me play ball. So he parked that fucking Ford Ranger alongside the 3rd base line and watched from inside the cab. In 7-8 years, he had gone from 6'2'' 195lbs to 6'2'' 390lbs.

He pretty much has maintained that shape until about 6 months ago when he finally decided to get his shit under control. From my vantage point, I have hated my father since I was a boy... and it was a hatred based on the fact that despite my young age, I knew his weight was something he could control, and chose not too. All of the shit that I missed out on requiring his participation was particularly painful as I had some friends whose fathers were never in the picture or had passed away prematurely. Mine, on the other hand, other than being grossly obese, what completely healthy.

My dad and I went to the World Series to watch our Rangers play not 5 years ago and he never made it out of the parking lot. I walked into the Ballpark by myself with an $800 premium ticket in my pocket, had some drinks at a bar inside the stadium, and ended up upgrading a guy I met that was sitting in the outfield upper deck. I was never so fucking angry in my entire life. I was angry to the point I gave away an $800 ticket just because I knew I had wasted my money on my father. For really the first time in my life, I was finally in a financial position to do something for him, rather than him for me, and his fat ass couldn't even enjoy it.

Now, I hear what you're saying about how you practice portion control, but it is physically impossible to wind up 350+ if you're following a strict diet. It's anatomically impossible. So, I urge you to re-evaluate that. Not calling you out, but I know a thing or two about what kind of caloric intake is required to maintain a certain weight with no other factors considered. Your Basal Metabolic Rate (look it up), is the bare minimum of calories your body needs to take in just to stay alive... think of it as how many calories you would need if you were strapped to a bed 24/7.

My father finally decided to take his life back, and with the help of a FitBit, MyFitnessPal to track his food, and a bare minimum of physical activity (walking), he has dropped 75 lbs in 5 months. He's at a point now where he no longer has to have a C-pap machine strapped to his face while sleeping because his weight is no-longer suffocating him. That means he's sleeping better, which in turn means he has more energy, which in turn means his metabolism isn't the gutter, which in turn means he's more active, which in turn means he's burning more calories per day.... you get the point.

Now I know your back is fucked up proper and I cannot imagine that pain that is causing you... but that pain is a way of your body screaming at you to give in some help. Your frame was never meant to support that amount of weight. Start small, ANYTHING. Re-evaluate your portions, and more importantly, what is making up those portions. Eating healthy, although generally more expensive than not, does not have to break your bank. I know you feel like you're against the wall and in a place where "fuck it what's the point? it's too late" seems reasonable... but if you do not attack your weight problem with the same vigor you quit the Nic Bitch, none of this will matter. 385, unless you're 6'8" and above, will kill you dead. Just as cancer or any other terminal illness.

Where there is a will... there is a fucking way. Imagine the pride your wife and children will have as they see you kick the shit out of this weight problem and start to take back your life. I guarantee you spinal issues will begin to fade as your internal structure no longer has to bear such a load.

If this came across as harsh, I apologize. Watching my father in this state for the past 25 years of my life has had a big time negative effect on our relationship. A lot of years slipped away because dad couldn't move more than 200 feet without needing a 10 minute break. Don't let that shit happen with your kids.

-JP; and I quit with you today my friend
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #95 on: December 19, 2015, 01:22:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
That is sound advice for sure. Contrary to popular believe, my doctor had me walking 3 miles per day. I did that for a good while until my back happened. I woke up one morning and could all but not walk. The years of abuse had finally caught up to me. Also, I had fallen off the back end of a combine which didnt help. I had an MRI done and got a 8 page report on how bad my back really was. When my doctor talked with me about it she said ray do you know how bad this is and what all this report means? I was like well no. Im not a doctor. In her exact words were, you are in trouble.

When I fell off the combine I blew 3 discs in my back and my spine shifted a half inch. As the old term goes you are off your rocker, I am literally off my rocker by 1/2 inch. That is where that old term comes from..... Spinal stenosis.

Another little tid bit as well. When I eat, it is out of a 3 chamber plate. I wish I could include a pic. It only allows for so much and that is it and I only eat one plate. Now it was pointed out that I was a food addict..... Nice ....... I like it. That is reaching for straws when you dont know the whole story. Truth be know I eat less than most people. MY issue is I can't get up and move to work it off. plain and simple. I know ...... I used to be there too. Fat person means he or she eats so fucking much their grocery bill must bankrupt them. Most of the time that is true but not always. So PLEASE understand ones story before assuming the worst.

My Neuro surgeon said he will do surgery on my back to get me back up and walking again if I can loose 80 lb. Ok liquid diet and weight loss surgery it is. So went to talk to weight loss specialist and they wont do weight loss surgery until I can get up and walk at least 1 mile. Catch 22. I'm fucking stuck!!!!! Now what? So now I am walking on my tread mill and it fucks up on me. I talk to the manufacturer and their is a 300 lb weight limit. REAL FUCKING GOOD.

I am real close to just saying fuck it and giving up. BUT I won't!!! That is what most people think I am doing or am going to do. I will find a way one way or the other. I quit smoking 3 packs per day and I quit dipping. 2 of the hardest things to do. Now on to the rest of my life which I refuse to give up on.


Ray AKA DjPorkchop day 93 ODAAT EDD WUPP FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
Ray, sounds like time to get creative... not sure if any of this is practical for you but might spark an idea that will work. Thinking out loud, walking is good because it exercises large muscle groups ... swimming would as well, but problematic in winter. Do they make something like a recumbent exercise bicycle? (Or the exercise resistance unit attached to one). Can you do lots of things like arm curls (it would take a shitload of reps, but it is active)? I'm thinking any sustained activity that lasted half an hour a couple times a day would be helpful.

You have your goals to break the catch 22. Somewhere is a way to reach them.
Wow Chop, that is some major life issues you are dealing with. But what i take from your attitude is you are bad ass, And have the attitude of a warrior. I'm proud of you, quit brother.
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #94 on: December 18, 2015, 05:37:00 PM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
That is sound advice for sure. Contrary to popular believe, my doctor had me walking 3 miles per day. I did that for a good while until my back happened. I woke up one morning and could all but not walk. The years of abuse had finally caught up to me. Also, I had fallen off the back end of a combine which didnt help. I had an MRI done and got a 8 page report on how bad my back really was. When my doctor talked with me about it she said ray do you know how bad this is and what all this report means? I was like well no. Im not a doctor. In her exact words were, you are in trouble.

When I fell off the combine I blew 3 discs in my back and my spine shifted a half inch. As the old term goes you are off your rocker, I am literally off my rocker by 1/2 inch. That is where that old term comes from..... Spinal stenosis.

Another little tid bit as well. When I eat, it is out of a 3 chamber plate. I wish I could include a pic. It only allows for so much and that is it and I only eat one plate. Now it was pointed out that I was a food addict..... Nice ....... I like it. That is reaching for straws when you dont know the whole story. Truth be know I eat less than most people. MY issue is I can't get up and move to work it off. plain and simple. I know ...... I used to be there too. Fat person means he or she eats so fucking much their grocery bill must bankrupt them. Most of the time that is true but not always. So PLEASE understand ones story before assuming the worst.

My Neuro surgeon said he will do surgery on my back to get me back up and walking again if I can loose 80 lb. Ok liquid diet and weight loss surgery it is. So went to talk to weight loss specialist and they wont do weight loss surgery until I can get up and walk at least 1 mile. Catch 22. I'm fucking stuck!!!!! Now what? So now I am walking on my tread mill and it fucks up on me. I talk to the manufacturer and their is a 300 lb weight limit. REAL FUCKING GOOD.

I am real close to just saying fuck it and giving up. BUT I won't!!! That is what most people think I am doing or am going to do. I will find a way one way or the other. I quit smoking 3 packs per day and I quit dipping. 2 of the hardest things to do. Now on to the rest of my life which I refuse to give up on.


Ray AKA DjPorkchop day 93 ODAAT EDD WUPP FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
Ray, sounds like time to get creative... not sure if any of this is practical for you but might spark an idea that will work. Thinking out loud, walking is good because it exercises large muscle groups ... swimming would as well, but problematic in winter. Do they make something like a recumbent exercise bicycle? (Or the exercise resistance unit attached to one). Can you do lots of things like arm curls (it would take a shitload of reps, but it is active)? I'm thinking any sustained activity that lasted half an hour a couple times a day would be helpful.

You have your goals to break the catch 22. Somewhere is a way to reach them.

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #93 on: December 18, 2015, 03:30:00 PM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
That is sound advice for sure. Contrary to popular believe, my doctor had me walking 3 miles per day. I did that for a good while until my back happened. I woke up one morning and could all but not walk. The years of abuse had finally caught up to me. Also, I had fallen off the back end of a combine which didnt help. I had an MRI done and got a 8 page report on how bad my back really was. When my doctor talked with me about it she said ray do you know how bad this is and what all this report means? I was like well no. Im not a doctor. In her exact words were, you are in trouble.

When I fell off the combine I blew 3 discs in my back and my spine shifted a half inch. As the old term goes you are off your rocker, I am literally off my rocker by 1/2 inch. That is where that old term comes from..... Spinal stenosis.

Another little tid bit as well. When I eat, it is out of a 3 chamber plate. I wish I could include a pic. It only allows for so much and that is it and I only eat one plate. Now it was pointed out that I was a food addict..... Nice ....... I like it. That is reaching for straws when you dont know the whole story. Truth be know I eat less than most people. MY issue is I can't get up and move to work it off. plain and simple. I know ...... I used to be there too. Fat person means he or she eats so fucking much their grocery bill must bankrupt them. Most of the time that is true but not always. So PLEASE understand ones story before assuming the worst.

My Neuro surgeon said he will do surgery on my back to get me back up and walking again if I can loose 80 lb. Ok liquid diet and weight loss surgery it is. So went to talk to weight loss specialist and they wont do weight loss surgery until I can get up and walk at least 1 mile. Catch 22. I'm fucking stuck!!!!! Now what? So now I am walking on my tread mill and it fucks up on me. I talk to the manufacturer and their is a 300 lb weight limit. REAL FUCKING GOOD.

I am real close to just saying fuck it and giving up. BUT I won't!!! That is what most people think I am doing or am going to do. I will find a way one way or the other. I quit smoking 3 packs per day and I quit dipping. 2 of the hardest things to do. Now on to the rest of my life which I refuse to give up on.


Ray AKA DjPorkchop day 93 ODAAT EDD WUPP FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.
Agree with all this advice. I would especially encourage you to take W2W's advice about walking a couple times a day. Wake up in the morning, grab your cup of coffee, and head out and pound the pavement for a half hour. After dinner, take your wife on a romantic walk and show her some cool stuff you saw on your morning walk.

The bottom line is you have to change something if you want something to change.
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2015, 08:56:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.
There's some sound advice here. I know that I have turned a corner by hitting the sack either with or before my wife.
Now that I'm not waiting for everyone to hit the hay so I could dip freely. I would say maybe just start there. Get your internal clock back to a normal work
schedule. Bed early and Up early to get a walk in and plan the day ahead. Keep chin up dude. Quitting is a huge step in the right direction of good health. Both mental and
physical. Proud to quit with you today.

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #90 on: November 18, 2015, 08:28:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.
Hey -

threw a shout to you over on facebook. Yea I know some will say why not here, but wanted to send it there for what I call "Making it more real" where you can see my face in pics, you can see my wife and family.

Anyway one point I made there is give it time. As you are quitting a day at a time, each day you make a positive impact on that front. You are letting your system heal from the years of poisoning. You are letting your brain re-adjust to the new chemistry. You are taking it slow in this marathon to re-write yourself.

So take that lesson to other parts of your life. Life is not a sprint or quick fix, it is a marathon. So maybe start with the weight loss. Go for a short, leisurely walk each day. Do it by yourself to enjoy the outdoors, the sights, smells. Do it with your wife/family to enjoy it together. But let it be the first step in beating the guy who just sits on the couch each day. Then as it gets better build on that. But like quitting, give it the proper time.

You will do it if you put your mind to it, I have no doubt about that.

yell if you should need.

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2015, 04:45:00 AM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
You want some ball bustin? Here goes.

Dude you are a classic addict. 385 lbs is full on food addict. Losing 150 lbs would probably fix a hell of a lot of your back problems and God know what else. A real addict, which you are, goes all in on everything that they do. Right now you are all in on feeling down. Refocus. Get "myfitnesspal" and start logging every calorie that you eat. Every one. Make a goal and stick to it each day on how many calories you will eat. Make an exercise plan - even if it is just walking down the street 2x each day. Log it too.

Shift your addiction to WINNING. life is to short to let it run you down. Get yourself under control and take your life back.

Sitting at home on the computer eating Cheetos isn't winning. You know how to win my friend. The choice is yours. You are such a kick ass quitter - you can do this dude.

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2015, 11:49:00 PM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Yeah you are right bud, the best thing I can do for now is get up off the damn pitty pot and get back to it.

I have looked in to several "Jobs" that you can work from home on the PC but I never know what is legit and what is a scam. Most of them all say send us 100$ to get started..... No..... Fuck that. If it is a legit job then they wont do that. I tried telemarketing from home and suffered panic attacks and couldn't do it. it got so bad I took a trip to the hospital. Thought I was having a heart attack.

I just wish I could get my back fixed so I can go back to work doing something, anything to help support the wife and kids. I am feeling a bit better now than when I posted this earlier. Not 100% but solid.
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2015, 10:08:00 PM »
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Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
Hmmm! DJ my friend I'd be willing to bet your children love you and your not useless! What you can do to take your life back is quit feeling sorry for yourself.Get up and take your life back. One thing that definitely helps me is always knowing there's plenty people out there that's a helluva lot worse off than I am but they get up everyday and take charge of there life and say I can do this. By the way there's a lot of jobs you can do on PC. My brother not trying to bust your balls but sometimes someone has to kick us in our nuts! Damn proud to be quit with you!
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2015, 06:09:00 PM »
Well it's been a while and I thought I would post today. I got some serious thoughts going on.

I was over a Facebook, yeah I know strike 1, and my buddy posts a post about how worthless he is. Now keep in mind this man has a job, has kids he supports, and lives a daily life.

This got me thinking about my self. I am 42 years old, 385 pounds, broken down, bad back beyond repair, no job, cant help (or dont know how) support kids, sit on the PC all day hoping for the best. Worthless........ That is a word I never used with myself as prior to my back injury I always had a well paying job, medical insurance, a good vehicle and life was pointed in the right direction. Now ....... Worthless...... All I am is a burden on my wife and kids. Oh but I did quit dipping so that saved my wife $60 a month and I don't smoke ciggs or cigars.

I have read several posts here about people taking back their lives one day at a time and living life to it's fullest now that they quit dipping. They are truly quit. Am I just stopped? I am not living life to it's fullest. I am like a dry drunk. A drunk that got dry but never sober. Every day is a dry drunk.

Braves360 asked me a question earlier today. HE asked me was I ready to quit saying "I can't". My answer wasn't the one he was looking for and off he went. Why should he worry about me if I'm not worried about me right? I don't blame him a bit for skipping out on me. Here we go again ........ Worthless....... Notice my trend?

When is enough enough? When am I going to be sick and tired of being sick and tired? Only time shall tell.

Until next time folks, take care of your selves ... and each other. (Jerry Springer)
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #85 on: October 12, 2015, 10:53:00 PM »
Well, as the days roll by I find my self thinking about dip less and less by the day. When i wake up now and start my day, dip don't even cross my mind. The only time it does is after I brew my coffee and then post roll. The same thing happened to me 12 years ago when I quit smoking. I noticed that one day the thought no longer even crossed my mind. Now that I am noticing this, this is the point in time when I make sure my guard is well in place. This is the position where bad things can happen. I have to stop and remind my self that I am an addict and to use my tools that I have available to me to use.

Anyway, I'm to the point of rambling now so I'll shut up. Take care everyone!

Ray

P.S. Anyone know where to stream MLB at? My satellite is getting shut in the morn and I have to catch the cubs game.
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Re: The Nic Bitch Struck Again
« Reply #84 on: October 08, 2015, 04:34:00 PM »
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Hello everyone. My name is Ray and I am an addict!

I started dipping back in 88 in high school and dipped for 4 years until I got out of school and just never did it again. Easy as could be really. Never even put a single thought to it. Fast forward to 2001....

I was a 3 pack per day smoker and I quit smoking one day because it was my time. It was rough but I did it. 6 months in my quit from smoking I was coaching C leauge baseball with my brother inlaw. He offered me a dip one day and then it started. That day I was at the store buying a tin of Kodiak. BIG mistake. I have been hooked ever since.

I decided after chewing for a year or two I was going to give it up. Ok so do it!! I did.... for 6 hours. In that 6 hours I had cold sweats, shakes, pukes, shits, laying on the couch all but in convulsions. Man did that suck really fucking suck!!! I caved and have been chewing til this day.

So I joined this site last year and gave it a try. I posted roll and all for about a week and then ended up in the hospital. No access to this site or anything. As soon as I got out of the hospital my wife had me a tin of Dak and off to the races I went yet again.

Fast forward to a few days ago....... So I decided to come back to KTC and check things out. I have a VERY strong desire not to dip today. Every time I put a dip in my mouth I feel pleasure but guilt all at the same time. I so badly want to quit. Actually, I can quit. It is easy to do. Ive done it millions of times. My issue is, I can't stop starting again. How do I not start again?

I tried it last night and made it 3 whole hours without a dip. Woke up this morn and decided to go for it and made it one whole hour. Man I seriously need help!!!! Why am I so weak?

Thanks for all the awesome people being here. You all are truly appreciated.

Ray
You are no different than any other addict. It's all the same and the good news is we all get it and can relate. Where you and I are different is that I was in the closet. My wife never would buy me a can. She always opened a can of whoop ass on me when she caught me.

You have to want to quit for you. Not for family, health, God or whoever. You and only you. Those other reasons are good motivation but not reasons an addict will quit using. When you are alone and nobody will know, because its you that wants to quit...you'll know to get help and not entertain those cravings.

You have to be humble (like you sound). You are weak and admitting you are weak and getting help...I can't explain it but that's what it takes to be strong.

Using addicts are the biggest liars I know. However, a humble addict who desires of himself to quit and change...that man can be a man of his word. Are you a man of your word? Can you keep a promise for 24 hours? Just 24 hours? I know you can quit nicotine for a day. So do it!

Also, flush everything...go to all your places you stash your cans and clean house and purify. Fumigate that nic bitch out of your life physically, mentally and spiritually.

You then Go post roll and keep your word today. When you wake up and it becomes today...do it. Post roll and go another 24.

Never miss roll. Sorry you were in the hospital but technology...you can text a quit brother to post roll for you but that promise keeps you from a knee jerk reaction and impulse. It gives you a second to seriously consider the consequences of caving. I personally wouldn't drink till you hit the Hall of fame. Most cave stories have drinking involved and you need your whits about you to stay on target!!!!

That's enough for today. Go post roll and do this. Fuck feeling guilty, rid yourself of the mistress and the blinders come off. You will be stunned at what a sham nicotine and UStobacco is. Your only regret in quitting and braking the chains of can humping is that you didn't do it sooner. Everyone has their moment of accepting truth. Right now is that moment for you. Are you going to embrace the suck for freedom or are you going back to your cell of addiction?

Its what you want, not me. I'm just telling you to jump into the pool and do it! If not, your that guy I feel sorry for. There still are 3% of Americans that are can humpers. You pay more in taxes and your money supports a domestic terrorist organization that doesn't give 2 shits about all the cancer related deaths caused by their product. You and your children are only dollar signs to them. KTC takes nothing from you. You pay them nothing for help but if you piss on that help, you deserve to hump that can and blow UStobacco. You gave them more and got NOTHING in return. YOU GOT NOTHING!

KTC takes nothing from you and you get your freedom from the strength you gain. Between the tow organizations...All have tools in them but one cares and the other kills...

Quit on.
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