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[Kubrick]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

Your normal sleep pattern will return. I can't say when, but I sleep better now than I ever did when I chewed.

I used to stay up for hours reading or surfing the web just to keep stuffing that crap in my mouth. Now, I crash as soon as I hit the sack. It's great.

Hang in there, it will only get better.

[Greg5280]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

During my first couple of weeks I would take a book to bed and read until I fell asleep. It helped get my mind off of it and I was able to relax. Stay strong, it will get better.

Dave,

My first two weeks were absolute hell. I couldn't sleep at night and would fall asleep driving while at work. Angry as a hornet and ready to pounce at the slightest thing. I've come to see that it is all part of the suck. I've seen it written that the harder the original suck, the stronger and more committed the quit. That's what we talk about when we say, "Embrace the suck" , really pull that fucker in, own it, relish in its pain and turmoil. Sadistic, yeah it is, but well worth it when you come out on the other side. I am enjoying life and am seeing my kids and family so much more because I spend no time hiding myself in a far away place with a fucking spit bottle and a pile of cancer in my lip. How fucking selfish and ridiculous was that? What person of high morals, ethics, and integrity would put an inanimate, poisonous carcinogen ahead of their own flesh, blood, and love?

When we look at it how it truly is, not through the rose colored lenses of addiction, we see how an addictive mind set can truly rob us of the lives we work so hard to obtain. I'm here to say, not here, not now, not me.

Quitting the most addictive substance on the planet takes some work! I did not sleep well for a long time. I took NyQuil or Tylenol PM to help and even then I did not sleep like I did pre quit.

I listened to those before me who constantly told me to "just stay clean" it gets better than you can imagine. So my advice to you is this. Do whatever you must to stay clean, you cannot imagine how good you are going to feel! just remember you dipped for a very long time, you cannot undo a lifetime of dipping in a week.

Freedom is an amazing thing and well worth fighting for!

Congrats on the week! Huge !

STAY QUIT
Greg

[eric71]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

During my first couple of weeks I would take a book to bed and read until I fell asleep. It helped get my mind off of it and I was able to relax. Stay strong, it will get better.

Dave,

My first two weeks were absolute hell. I couldn't sleep at night and would fall asleep driving while at work. Angry as a hornet and ready to pounce at the slightest thing. I've come to see that it is all part of the suck. I've seen it written that the harder the original suck, the stronger and more committed the quit. That's what we talk about when we say, "Embrace the suck" , really pull that fucker in, own it, relish in its pain and turmoil. Sadistic, yeah it is, but well worth it when you come out on the other side. I am enjoying life and am seeing my kids and family so much more because I spend no time hiding myself in a far away place with a fucking spit bottle and a pile of cancer in my lip. How fucking selfish and ridiculous was that? What person of high morals, ethics, and integrity would put an inanimate, poisonous carcinogen ahead of their own flesh, blood, and love?

When we look at it how it truly is, not through the rose colored lenses of addiction, we see how an addictive mind set can truly rob us of the lives we work so hard to obtain. I'm here to say, not here, not now, not me.

[shoogie]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

During my first couple of weeks I would take a book to bed and read until I fell asleep. It helped get my mind off of it and I was able to relax. Stay strong, it will get better.

[Roamcountry]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

It takes a while for the body to settle down and make the adjustments, hang in there.

[Bigdave]

I can't fucking sleep....one week with no nicotine...it should be out of my system right? I just wake up all the time and get restless..i should be asleep right now but I can't. I used to sleep like a machine. Doing that shit like it was my job son.

[mich 34]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll.
It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

Never underestimate the power of one day of quit. I idolized my high school football coach. I bummed my first dip from him. Looking back on it he might as well have given me a loaded gun and told me Russian roulette was cool. Your doing the right thing, don't hope just do. Quit two days , you can make it three. Infact it is a proven truth that after the third day of quit your penis increases in size by three inches. I swear I'm not lying ask anybody. Prove me wrong , I dare ya.

Sm

Skoal Monster is correct. For the average man it's 3.25", Of course I've never been average, so I got 4". Some stats say that at 100 days you get another 3".

Seriously though, keep tagging your thoughts in here. It'll be nice to take a walk down memory lane some day. It'll also serve as reinforcement when the going gets tough. No hope can get you through. Faith and accountability, 2 factors that make up any good team.

3 inches of girth or length..sure haven't noticed any change yet...beginning to think you guys are fuckin with me, but regardless I'm still nicotine free. And to be honest adding 3 inches would probably cause me to blackout...because that slab is already taking a third of my body's blood to operate. Yeah that's right..he said slab.

Almost made a huge fuckin mistake today...i was thinking about getting some bacc off, but I didn't because I've made it almost 3 days without anything tucked in there...i don't even wanna feel that sensation of packing the can and getting a pinch even though it's that herbal stuff.

Thanks for the kind words guys and support.

Dave

Don't make that mistake Dave...way to fight through it....you've already come a long way. I swear to you the first 3 days are the hardest. Anyone will attest to that. I'm not saying it gets easy, but it gets EASIER. Keep fighting the good fight and keep your shit wired.... You're gonna be a badass quitter!!

Congrats coach! keep it up. I quit with you today too! Let's do it again in the morning.

[Morgan1]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll.
It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

Never underestimate the power of one day of quit. I idolized my high school football coach. I bummed my first dip from him. Looking back on it he might as well have given me a loaded gun and told me Russian roulette was cool. Your doing the right thing, don't hope just do. Quit two days , you can make it three. Infact it is a proven truth that after the third day of quit your penis increases in size by three inches. I swear I'm not lying ask anybody. Prove me wrong , I dare ya.

Sm

Skoal Monster is correct. For the average man it's 3.25", Of course I've never been average, so I got 4". Some stats say that at 100 days you get another 3".

Seriously though, keep tagging your thoughts in here. It'll be nice to take a walk down memory lane some day. It'll also serve as reinforcement when the going gets tough. No hope can get you through. Faith and accountability, 2 factors that make up any good team.

3 inches of girth or length..sure haven't noticed any change yet...beginning to think you guys are fuckin with me, but regardless I'm still nicotine free. And to be honest adding 3 inches would probably cause me to blackout...because that slab is already taking a third of my body's blood to operate. Yeah that's right..he said slab.

Almost made a huge fuckin mistake today...i was thinking about getting some bacc off, but I didn't because I've made it almost 3 days without anything tucked in there...i don't even wanna feel that sensation of packing the can and getting a pinch even though it's that herbal stuff.

Thanks for the kind words guys and support.

Dave

Don't make that mistake Dave...way to fight through it....you've already come a long way. I swear to you the first 3 days are the hardest. Anyone will attest to that. I'm not saying it gets easy, but it gets EASIER. Keep fighting the good fight and keep your shit wired.... You're gonna be a badass quitter!!

[Bigdave]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll.
It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

Never underestimate the power of one day of quit. I idolized my high school football coach. I bummed my first dip from him. Looking back on it he might as well have given me a loaded gun and told me Russian roulette was cool. Your doing the right thing, don't hope just do. Quit two days , you can make it three. Infact it is a proven truth that after the third day of quit your penis increases in size by three inches. I swear I'm not lying ask anybody. Prove me wrong , I dare ya.

Sm

Skoal Monster is correct. For the average man it's 3.25", Of course I've never been average, so I got 4". Some stats say that at 100 days you get another 3".

Seriously though, keep tagging your thoughts in here. It'll be nice to take a walk down memory lane some day. It'll also serve as reinforcement when the going gets tough. No hope can get you through. Faith and accountability, 2 factors that make up any good team.

3 inches of girth or length..sure haven't noticed any change yet...beginning to think you guys are fuckin with me, but regardless I'm still nicotine free. And to be honest adding 3 inches would probably cause me to blackout...because that slab is already taking a third of my body's blood to operate. Yeah that's right..he said slab.

Almost made a huge fuckin mistake today...i was thinking about getting some bacc off, but I didn't because I've made it almost 3 days without anything tucked in there...i don't even wanna feel that sensation of packing the can and getting a pinch even though it's that herbal stuff.

Thanks for the kind words guys and support.

Dave

[eric71]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll. It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

Never underestimate the power of one day of quit. I idolized my high school football coach. I bummed my first dip from him. Looking back on it he might as well have given me a loaded gun and told me Russian roulette was cool. Your doing the right thing, don't hope just do. Quit two days , you can make it three. Infact it is a proven truth that after the third day of quit your penis increases in size by three inches. I swear I'm not lying ask anybody. Prove me wrong , I dare ya.

Sm

Skoal Monster is correct. For the average man it's 3.25", Of course I've never been average, so I got 4". Some stats say that at 100 days you get another 3".

Seriously though, keep tagging your thoughts in here. It'll be nice to take a walk down memory lane some day. It'll also serve as reinforcement when the going gets tough. No hope can get you through. Faith and accountability, 2 factors that make up any good team.

[Skoal Monster]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll. It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

Never underestimate the power of one day of quit. I idolized my high school football coach. I bummed my first dip from him. Looking back on it he might as well have given me a loaded gun and told me Russian roulette was cool. Your doing the right thing, don't hope just do. Quit two days , you can make it three. Infact it is a proven truth that after the third day of quit your penis increases in size by three inches. I swear I'm not lying ask anybody. Prove me wrong , I dare ya.

Sm

[Diesel2112]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll. It means a lot.

Dave

Much respect man. I busted your balls but I know that shit cant be easy. I'm sure you are a hell of a coach. Just remember dip did/does not define you. Dip did not make you a good coach. Hell it could have been holding you back from your max potential.

You were not born with nic in your blood, you don't need it. I know that's easy to say as I too still struggle with triggers where I THINK a dip would relax me. But its simply not true. Dip doesn't do that. All u do is fill your nic urge and the minute you spit that shit out the clock starts ticking again. Not a clock for you to relax again but a fucking time bomb clock til the nic gets your lip loaded up again. You keep feeding the clock thinking your relaxing and rewarding yourself til one day you're fucking teeth are shit black, your gums are shredded, your teeth are all but gone, and you have cancer and fucking die or end up looking like a freak show.

Your a bad ass football coach. What if one of your players was in your head telling you.what to do. You'd be in that kids shit busting his balls til he barfed every day. Don't let a can full of posion leaves lead you around either. I know its gonna be hard but son of a bitch it will be worth it!!!!

Good luck, Coach!

[Bigdave]

Day 2 is in the books...finding it hard to stay awake if I sit idle. I just stayed busy today with two-a-days..hot as shit outside. During practice I'll start thinking about the routine like I used to do once I get back in the AC in the coaches office get me a fat one while we discuss the day's practice and plan tomorrow's, but I got my mind off it and keep telling myself that I can't go back to it. Steadfast today..hope for the same tomorrow. Thanks to all you guys that threw some support my way and for quitting with me on the roll. It means a lot.

Dave

[LDIDDY]

I understand I shouldn't have said I had a dip in..i apologize for typing that..but I'm honest.

I get the whole tough love thing but what I don't get is being compared to sandusky. Idipped snuff..i didn't rape young boys. Go fuck yourself wt57.You're the same one who wanted to swap phone numbers in my inbox..fuck off and fuck you. Sounded like you just wanted to one up all the other guys that jumped on my ass. I know you wouldn't say that shit to my face without me beating your fuckin eyes out.

To all you other guys who jumped on my ass...I'll take it like a fuckin man. I shouldn't have said I had a dip in. I get it. I plan on tomorrow being day 1 of my quit. There's no snuff in the house, truck, or fieldhouse. I hope to post roll when I wake up.

and again wt57..fuck you

Big Dave you got KTO'd Pal. I got slapped around a little too when I first got on here. If you got thin skin - move along because you're probably gonna cave or pussy out! I almost did myself! I almost said FU to the site and everybody here.. I caved after one day! Had I done that, I'd still be dipping! 30 years worth here! In the morning I will have 50 days.. WT has helped more folks than anybody I know here. You talk a big game Pal.. If you want to quit get on board we will all help you.. if you don't - don't talk shit about the real fucking quitters! Gooch

The man put his word down today that's he quit.

Great, good for him. He still owes WT a fucking apology for being a giant douche.

Agreed Coach.....

After reading the thread, yeah...he does owe WT an apology whether he's quit or not. The analogy that he was making was plain as day and wasn't meant to piss you off or insult you. Quitting nic makes you angry, Nic rage is very real. But you going off on someone who's sticking their hand out to help you in an evident way is not the way to start off your journey here.

He doesn't owe WT an apology. He's in the midst of some serious battles with his nic-bitch master. Just thinking about not getting the next fix is cause for a nic-rage. BigDave will need to do a lot more nic-raging. I've been there. Most all of us have been there.

BigDave, just quit today. Keep your word. Don't worry about an apology. Just keep reading, and drinking the koolaide. You worry about keeping your word.

In a few weeks, re-read this thread and see how you feel about WT (who is right, BTW). For now, just keep quitting every minute, hour, etc. Rage like hell on this forum. Call everyone an asshole, whatever. Just keep quit. I seriously doubt WT expects or gives a rats ass about an apology. He (like me) just wants you to understand better how the addict mind works, which is key to staying quit.

Agree he doesn't owe any apology. The point WT was making was a good one, but the analogy was a bad one. Comparing a guy who dips, whether in front of kids or not, to a convicted child molester who raped defenseless kids for at least 15 years is over the top. I'd be pissed too.

The same point could have been made 100 different ways without using Sandusky's name.

Soooooooo sorry guys. Didn't know people get a free pass after telling a quitter to fuck off while he admittedly has a juicy one tucked in his lip. My bad. You get to rage all you want once you quit, not while your sucking cat turds. For the record, that's where I draw the distinction. However, I suppose we'll just have to leave this one alone since he did finally quit. Not like he was going to apologize anyways......

Now which one of you peacemakers is going to volunteer to be Big Dave's mentor?

Didn't realize that quitting and apologizing were mutually exclusive.

We teach the rules and regs of this site, including how to post, when to post, why to post, where to post. We tell them to exchange numbers, read the site, ask questions, participate, jump on live chat. The seem to be able to do all those things and quit at the same time. I guess acting like a decent human being is out of the question.

I'm sorry but an uncalled for verbal assault doesn't get a pass in my book.

That's just me.

I agree with Wedge.... the Sandusky comment was over the top.


And I'll volunteer to be his mentor.

[Wedge]

I understand I shouldn't have said I had a dip in..i apologize for typing that..but I'm honest.

I get the whole tough love thing but what I don't get is being compared to sandusky. Idipped snuff..i didn't rape young boys. Go fuck yourself wt57.You're the same one who wanted to swap phone numbers in my inbox..fuck off and fuck you. Sounded like you just wanted to one up all the other guys that jumped on my ass. I know you wouldn't say that shit to my face without me beating your fuckin eyes out.

To all you other guys who jumped on my ass...I'll take it like a fuckin man. I shouldn't have said I had a dip in. I get it. I plan on tomorrow being day 1 of my quit. There's no snuff in the house, truck, or fieldhouse. I hope to post roll when I wake up.

and again wt57..fuck you

Big Dave you got KTO'd Pal. I got slapped around a little too when I first got on here. If you got thin skin - move along because you're probably gonna cave or pussy out! I almost did myself! I almost said FU to the site and everybody here.. I caved after one day! Had I done that, I'd still be dipping! 30 years worth here! In the morning I will have 50 days.. WT has helped more folks than anybody I know here. You talk a big game Pal.. If you want to quit get on board we will all help you.. if you don't - don't talk shit about the real fucking quitters! Gooch

The man put his word down today that's he quit.

Great, good for him. He still owes WT a fucking apology for being a giant douche.

Agreed Coach.....

After reading the thread, yeah...he does owe WT an apology whether he's quit or not. The analogy that he was making was plain as day and wasn't meant to piss you off or insult you. Quitting nic makes you angry, Nic rage is very real. But you going off on someone who's sticking their hand out to help you in an evident way is not the way to start off your journey here.

He doesn't owe WT an apology. He's in the midst of some serious battles with his nic-bitch master. Just thinking about not getting the next fix is cause for a nic-rage. BigDave will need to do a lot more nic-raging. I've been there. Most all of us have been there.

BigDave, just quit today. Keep your word. Don't worry about an apology. Just keep reading, and drinking the koolaide. You worry about keeping your word.

In a few weeks, re-read this thread and see how you feel about WT (who is right, BTW). For now, just keep quitting every minute, hour, etc. Rage like hell on this forum. Call everyone an asshole, whatever. Just keep quit. I seriously doubt WT expects or gives a rats ass about an apology. He (like me) just wants you to understand better how the addict mind works, which is key to staying quit.

Agree he doesn't owe any apology. The point WT was making was a good one, but the analogy was a bad one. Comparing a guy who dips, whether in front of kids or not, to a convicted child molester who raped defenseless kids for at least 15 years is over the top. I'd be pissed too.

The same point could have been made 100 different ways without using Sandusky's name.

Soooooooo sorry guys. Didn't know people get a free pass after telling a quitter to fuck off while he admittedly has a juicy one tucked in his lip. My bad. You get to rage all you want once you quit, not while your sucking cat turds. For the record, that's where I draw the distinction. However, I suppose we'll just have to leave this one alone since he did finally quit. Not like he was going to apologize anyways......

Now which one of you peacemakers is going to volunteer to be Big Dave's mentor?

Didn't realize that quitting and apologizing were mutually exclusive.

We teach the rules and regs of this site, including how to post, when to post, why to post, where to post. We tell them to exchange numbers, read the site, ask questions, participate, jump on live chat. The seem to be able to do all those things and quit at the same time. I guess acting like a decent human being is out of the question.

I'm sorry but an uncalled for verbal assault doesn't get a pass in my book.

That's just me.