Quit day zero

[enav]

Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup

Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'

This is what you need to answer in NOV and your old quit group:

1. What happened?

2. Why did it happen?

3. What will you do to make sure it doesn't happen again?


I'd take a little time to think about this and not just go off pissing and moaning about it...

[basshaug]

Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup

Oh boy, I can't wait for this one. 'Popcorn'

[Quitforsoj]

Ok, .. got it .. going to notifiy first gorup

[enav]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

I'm not perfect but I am also not a shitty caver with no accountability.

I'm sorry that you're quitting for OJ. He's pissed and he still has his gloves.

Hey bro, like you I was on here before and caved. Very early - but still caved. Like you I had some pride about coming back. Especially when I was in the fog. Unlike you I sacked up and actually answered the questions with some thought. Also you need to notify you previous group.

No one is perfect, you wanna do the drill and utilize the site and the people on it. Have some testicular fortitude and answer these folks and get involved. Don't come friggen post and don't do what these guys are asking... That's chicken chit

[twballgame9]

I'm having trouble with the disconnect here. I don't know a single person here who thinks they are perfect - in fact every single one of us posting roll is admitting to being an addict. We are all addicts to the same chemical, and thus equal.

You were part of the KTC for 101 days, you know how this works. Did anyone you personally made contact with cave? If so, how did you feel? There is anger directed towards cavers no doubt, but it derives from the time spent with the caver, and the circumstances of the cave. We get angry because we see ourselves in another's cave. We are all one bad decision from day 1.

So back to you, as a former HoF'er would you let a caver back into your group who can't provide the answers? It's a simple process, but a hard one. Make the right decision and I'll be happy to quit with you.

Tumblewort is a wise man, CavesforOJ

[Thumblewort]

I'm having trouble with the disconnect here. I don't know a single person here who thinks they are perfect - in fact every single one of us posting roll is admitting to being an addict. We are all addicts to the same chemical, and thus equal.

You were part of the KTC for 101 days, you know how this works. Did anyone you personally made contact with cave? If so, how did you feel? There is anger directed towards cavers no doubt, but it derives from the time spent with the caver, and the circumstances of the cave. We get angry because we see ourselves in another's cave. We are all one bad decision from day 1.

So back to you, as a former HoF'er would you let a caver back into your group who can't provide the answers? It's a simple process, but a hard one. Make the right decision and I'll be happy to quit with you.

[twballgame9]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

I'm not perfect but I am also not a shitty caver with no accountability.

I'm sorry that you're quitting for OJ. He's pissed and he still has his gloves.

[slug.go]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

You know, when I look in the mirror I see a flawed person. The only perfection I see is someone that has the perfect combination of addiction-biased genetics and superior capacity for poor rationale.

What do you see when you look in the mirror? Do you see an addict like I do, or do you see a guy that says, "oops, I fucked up" every now and again?

Started my quit in feb cold turkey - hit my 100
Days at end of May and then mid July bought a can of cope long cut - I previously used
Kodiak wintetgreen for a long time ...

I dipped that one can of cope for a week and then bought more and more ... Chewed thru
Two vacations -- hating that I caved ... Enough is enough ... Quitting again....

The next few days will suck and then on the road traveling for the next 6 weeks - gonna suck



So, was it June or July?

[Tuco]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

You know, when I look in the mirror I see a flawed person. The only perfection I see is someone that has the perfect combination of addiction-biased genetics and superior capacity for poor rationale.

What do you see when you look in the mirror? Do you see an addict like I do, or do you see a guy that says, "oops, I fucked up" every now and again?

[brettlees]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

Really. Wow.

With this attitude, you can post but you will never be a part of November.

Stop getting pissed at people trying to help you understand and start answering some questions. You want to be quit great. You want to be quit here at KTC and more importantly in November 2014 group; ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS AND SHOW SOME HUMILITY.

Wow. Kind of embarassed at thinking you could make it before. I do wish you luck now and hope you make it this time. Try not to alienate people trying to help you. It really does help to have a web of support.

[schaef418]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

Really. Wow.

With this attitude, you can post but you will never be a part of November.

Stop getting pissed at people trying to help you understand and start answering some questions. You want to be quit great. You want to be quit here at KTC and more importantly in November 2014 group; ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS AND SHOW SOME HUMILITY.

[Quitforsoj]

Ok - this is the deal.....

I f upped back in June and caved -- why - I was weak and most importantly I stopped posting after 100 days --- Dumb move..:

For those who are on my ass - I get it but remember to
Look in the mirror - you are not perfect.

On day 2 and it is not too bad .

[zam]

I will once I figure out the answers

You might want to figure out the answers sooner rather than later, or we probably will be welcoming you to December.

I am guessing you know the answers already, but are too ashamed to post them. I have posted things on this site that I have never told anyone before, things that are humiliating and repulsive. The first cut is the deepest, but the freedom one gets when realizing that others are here, and done the same addict things you and I have is amazing. So wait all you want, and keep your quit in neutral.

I'm curious...why do you think you WILL figure out the answers? I realize that your remark is probably only meant to be patronizing gibberish, but seriously...why do you think you ever even approach the answers? Are you studying some new textbook? Are you in conversation with some guru? Are you waiting for divine inspiration?

The previous questions were rhetorical. You know this, of course, but I mention it only to plainly differentiate them from this question, which is what Webster's defines as a "no-shit" question:

Do you not think an honest attempt at replying to all these questions, responding to all these comments (even the heated ones) will lead to a better understanding of your condition?

[zam]

Brutal comments but true... the one that sticks out the most is that none of us have all the answers and that is why it is important to lean on each other.

This would be a great Depak Chopra quote. Or maybe from a Hari Krishna swami. Or Stuart Smalley.

What I get from your above comment: I'm ignoring the shit out of all you other dudes, except for the one comment that I cherry picked out of context in order to justify doing things my way. (and my way does not include meaningful dialogue, only patronizing ass-patting.)

[Thumblewort]

I will once I figure out the answers

You might want to figure out the answers sooner rather than later, or we probably will be welcoming you to December.

I am guessing you know the answers already, but are too ashamed to post them. I have posted things on this site that I have never told anyone before, things that are humiliating and repulsive. The first cut is the deepest, but the freedom one gets when realizing that others are here, and done the same addict things you and I have is amazing. So wait all you want, and keep your quit in neutral.