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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #423 on: July 04, 2013, 08:07:00 AM »
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #422 on: July 04, 2013, 01:59:00 AM »
Just to add some helpful information, since I feel I can quit cold turkey on occasions when I want to, I thought I would say what helps. It may be some of the same info already mentioned, but without going through all the pages, any new comers to this thread might not see them.

You have to have a reason for quitting. Make that reason seem extremely important to you, whether a family member wants you to quit, you want to have better health, or you want to save money. I would say pick ONE to focus on and let the other reasons be icing on the cake when you quit. I'm a huge fan of Bruce Lee and look up to his level of dedication, and in his book, there is a quote that is in there saying " You can act into a new way of feeling, but you can't feel into a new way of acting". ACT like you are mentally tough, and you will become mentally tough eventually. ACT like the reason you choose to quit is an extremely important reason to you and what directs your everyday actions. It's ok to be fake or lie to yourself about how important it is to you. The longer you fake it, the more it will become real. If others know you are trying to quit, and they ask you how you are doing, tell them you are perfectly fine, even if it's lying. Say you haven't thought about it at all. If you keep lying to yourself about it, you will start to believe it. Also, act like someone is watching you at all times and you don't want to let them down. You are more likely to let yourself down than someone else.

When I made my decisions to stop (I guess I can't say quit) I would go an average of a few weeks to a couple months with no dip until I decided I just wanted to do it again out of boredom. It does get pretty boring sometimes on deployment. I would still have my last can, and I would say this is my last can and treat it as my last can. I would spare it as much as I could, and try to savor the last bit of it as if it were a long goodbye. It prepared me to know I wasn't going to have any, kind of like bringing closure to it.

IF you were like me, and you have friends or co-workers around you that dip, everyone would occasionally bum a dip off each other. Get them involved by telling them you are quitting and to not let you bum any off them. If they are anything like the people I am around, they would get pleasure in your pain when denying you any of theirs.

Look at your lip in the mirror. It heals pretty quick, but when constantly dipping, you would normally have that white wrinkly patch. Everyday you don't dip, it gets noticeably better. It's actually pretty good reinforcement to see the positive affects of quitting. It lets you know that what you are doing by quitting is actually helping.



I know a lot of this seems contradicting to my attitude about my habit, but I have found it relatively easy to just stop and not even think about dip and these are the methods I use.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #421 on: July 04, 2013, 01:31:00 AM »
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I guess I am clearly in the wrong place and all of you know me SO well and know exactly how addicted I am and like to focus on whatever YOU choose to focus on instead of actually trying to provide any assistance.

I know myself better than any of you would like to think you know me, and have been dipping for 12 years

I like the feeling in my lip and the flavor. I have tried kikit and I love it so if I could get it, I wouldn't have to use copenhagen anymore...
nope not an addict - just a habit, nothing to see here, please move along.

If I could get meth I wouldn't need blow - clearly I'm not addicted to blow!

To your question - here's another. Have you tried smokey mountain or hooch? There is a page with reviews here. Good luck, I hope you find something that might help you try to change your habit man.
Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find some very subjective opinions here, like a wine taster is to wine, but I'll check out the reviews and see what they mention.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #420 on: July 04, 2013, 01:29:00 AM »
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Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
So . . . let me get this straight. You find satisfaction and contentment in a poison that causes you to have PVCs! Why do I find that to be just a bit off cue? :blink:


This really isn't the "worst" intro. It's the saddest!
I get only a mild case of PVCs, and it's only when I have an abundance of nicotine, alcohol and caffeine in the same period and it's probably not helping that I recently moved to Denver with the lower oxygen concentration in the air here. In the 12 years I've been dipping, I've only had two instances that have lasted about a week, including the present where I have had any noticeable sensations. The first time was during a port visit where I was smoking cuban cigars with dip in and lots of beer and soda for about two days. And you have to be kidding yourself if you didn't know of the "poisons" before ever taking your first dip, so don't sit here and try to lecture me about knowing how bad dip is. If you didn't know if was bad for you to begin with, you are just a plain idiot.
It's one thing to learn you're an idiot and stop being one.
It's quite another thing to know your an idiot and keep being one.
Kikit's Facebook page states that the company is temporarily out of business. I think you might be in trouble finding the stuff.

However, from experience, I will tell you the act of chewing without nicotine loses its appeal quickly. Many of us have used or use alternatives.

Why are you looking for alternatives if you like chewing so much?
I really appreciate your response and thank you for that info. With the lack of info I could find on it and their website not working I figured as much.

I have tried some of the alternatives and I know exactly what you mean by it losing it's appeal, which is why I was looking specifically for kikit. Some of the alternatives I've tried do lose their appeal because they seem nothing like dip. Bac off is pretty similar but I couldn't stand the chemical taste it had to it. I'm sure as most of you know, the effect of nicotine only lasts so long, and I'm not sure of the details, but I think I remember it being something like 2 weeks. So obviously, after a year and a half, I'm not addicted to nicotine anymore, and I didn't choose to dip again because of the nicotine. I just feel comfort from having it in my lip for some reason, just as someone who sucks their thumb has comfort sucking their thumb. I'm willing to admit that my habit is as infantile as that. So having an alternative would work for me, and for those of you that haven't tried kikit, you probably can't understand what I'm talking about. My guess is that most of the alternatives try to obtain a look and feel of dip and have to cover up the taste of whatever they use with more intense flavorings. Kikit was just shredded coconut and had some flavors and hot sauce, and even though it looked nothing like dip, it was the most realistic one I've tried, and after you get the nicotine out of your system, it's probably just as good. Except you don't have to spit. They have (had) a natural coconut flavor one that tasted just like coconut with a bit of citrus and it was a little too sweet for me and just tasted like candy. But the green can was awesome.

Even thought I'm not exactly looking to quit, if I had something that was just as good to me or close, I would gladly do that over dip. I know cancer and losing your jaw is good enough reason to quit, but my mentality seems to make me ignore that. That doesn't make me any less of a person than anyone else here. Everyone has to have a reason to quit, whether it just becomes an idea one day and they keep telling themselves every day that they are and eventually make an effort to, or some dramatic eye opening emotional event happens and they immediately make a huge effort to quit. I know it's not good for me, and I'm in a situation where I'm moving in about a month to a backwoods part of FL where everyone dips, so it's socially acceptable and being a veteran, I was around it all the time in the military, so against better judgement and logic, my brain still tells me it's ok after seeing everyone else around me doing it. It's just human nature.

When I move, I'll be living with my kids for the first time in 6 years, and they don't want me doing it, so I will eventually decide to quit. My ex that I'm getting back with smokes, and i hate cigarettes, and I would have no problem giving up dipping for her to quit, and we've talked about that already. Those will be my reasons for when I decide to quit, and they may not be the same as everyone else's reasons, but everyone has different ones. I seem to be getting a lot of hostility for being honest and a lot of criticism because I have my own opinions about myself. I expected a little more understanding from a group that is here to try to HELP one another, and regardless of my intentions on quitting, I have been asking for a dip alternative similar to one I've tried which would result in me quitting.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #419 on: July 04, 2013, 12:47:00 AM »
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #418 on: July 04, 2013, 12:36:00 AM »
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I guess I am clearly in the wrong place and all of you know me SO well and know exactly how addicted I am and like to focus on whatever YOU choose to focus on instead of actually trying to provide any assistance.

I know myself better than any of you would like to think you know me, and have been dipping for 12 years

I like the feeling in my lip and the flavor. I have tried kikit and I love it so if I could get it, I wouldn't have to use copenhagen anymore...
nope not an addict - just a habit, nothing to see here, please move along.

If I could get meth I wouldn't need blow - clearly I'm not addicted to blow!

To your question - here's another. Have you tried smokey mountain or hooch? There is a page with reviews here. Good luck, I hope you find something that might help you try to change your habit man.
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #417 on: July 03, 2013, 10:41:00 PM »
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Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
So . . . let me get this straight. You find satisfaction and contentment in a poison that causes you to have PVCs! Why do I find that to be just a bit off cue? :blink:


This really isn't the "worst" intro. It's the saddest!
I get only a mild case of PVCs, and it's only when I have an abundance of nicotine, alcohol and caffeine in the same period and it's probably not helping that I recently moved to Denver with the lower oxygen concentration in the air here. In the 12 years I've been dipping, I've only had two instances that have lasted about a week, including the present where I have had any noticeable sensations. The first time was during a port visit where I was smoking cuban cigars with dip in and lots of beer and soda for about two days. And you have to be kidding yourself if you didn't know of the "poisons" before ever taking your first dip, so don't sit here and try to lecture me about knowing how bad dip is. If you didn't know if was bad for you to begin with, you are just a plain idiot.
It's one thing to learn you're an idiot and stop being one.
It's quite another thing to know your an idiot and keep being one.
Kikit's Facebook page states that the company is temporarily out of business. I think you might be in trouble finding the stuff.

However, from experience, I will tell you the act of chewing without nicotine loses its appeal quickly. Many of us have used or use alternatives.

Why are you looking for alternatives if you like chewing so much?
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #416 on: July 03, 2013, 10:24:00 PM »
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Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
So . . . let me get this straight. You find satisfaction and contentment in a poison that causes you to have PVCs! Why do I find that to be just a bit off cue? :blink:


This really isn't the "worst" intro. It's the saddest!
I get only a mild case of PVCs, and it's only when I have an abundance of nicotine, alcohol and caffeine in the same period and it's probably not helping that I recently moved to Denver with the lower oxygen concentration in the air here. In the 12 years I've been dipping, I've only had two instances that have lasted about a week, including the present where I have had any noticeable sensations. The first time was during a port visit where I was smoking cuban cigars with dip in and lots of beer and soda for about two days. And you have to be kidding yourself if you didn't know of the "poisons" before ever taking your first dip, so don't sit here and try to lecture me about knowing how bad dip is. If you didn't know if was bad for you to begin with, you are just a plain idiot.
It's one thing to learn you're an idiot and stop being one.
It's quite another thing to know your an idiot and keep being one.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #415 on: July 03, 2013, 09:25:00 PM »
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Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
So . . . let me get this straight. You find satisfaction and contentment in a poison that causes you to have PVCs! Why do I find that to be just a bit off cue? :blink:


This really isn't the "worst" intro. It's the saddest!
I get only a mild case of PVCs, and it's only when I have an abundance of nicotine, alcohol and caffeine in the same period and it's probably not helping that I recently moved to Denver with the lower oxygen concentration in the air here. In the 12 years I've been dipping, I've only had two instances that have lasted about a week, including the present where I have had any noticeable sensations. The first time was during a port visit where I was smoking cuban cigars with dip in and lots of beer and soda for about two days. And you have to be kidding yourself if you didn't know of the "poisons" before ever taking your first dip, so don't sit here and try to lecture me about knowing how bad dip is. If you didn't know if was bad for you to begin with, you are just a plain idiot.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #414 on: July 03, 2013, 09:22:00 PM »
I guess I am clearly in the wrong place and all of you know me SO well and know exactly how addicted I am and like to focus on whatever YOU choose to focus on instead of actually trying to provide any assistance. I know what "alternatives" are out there and I have tried a couple. And regardless how addictive nicotine is, and I never mentioned it isn't, different people are predisposed to have addictive tendancies more than others. Just as two people can go out and drink as much alcohol but one would become dependent on it and another wouldn't. I'm not here to debate how dangerous dip is, or if I should quit or not. I know it would be better for me if I quit. I know what it can do to your mouth. I ride motorcycles too and I don't go on forums for people to convince me how dangerous they are and call me an organ donor. I happen to not have a very addictive nature. I actually get tired of dipping sometimes and go a day without doing it. I dip out of boredom mostly. I have a habit, not a chemical addiction, just as any thumb sucker, nail biter, hair twirler, or any kid who needs their blankie. I know myself better than any of you would like to think you know me, and have been dipping for 12 years, and I KNOW what I can do or not do, and I happen to know that I liked the shredded coconut in kikit just as much as I like copenhagen and it's a much healthier alternative. I don't like bac-off, I don't like jerky chew, I'm not a gum chewer, and I've never smoked cigarettes. If I'm out of dip, I won't even get one off someone else that doesn't have a flavor I like. If I was so addicted to nicotine, I don't think I would be as picky as I am and would take whatever I could get when I am out of dip.

I like the feeling in my lip and the flavor. I have tried kikit and I love it so if I could get it, I wouldn't have to use copenhagen anymore and I would essentially be quitting. So if anyone is actually interested in helping me "quit" by giving me opinions on alternative tobacco free dip they have tried and if any are shredded coconut like kikit or knows why the kikit webpage doesn't work and if I can even get any still, instead of your opinions of ME, that would be greatly appreciated. Or if everyone just wants to be judgmental pricks, I guess it's all just a waste of my time and I'll take is as another learning experience to stay away from and not ever socialize with people trying to get off a nicotine addiction because the stereotype seems to precede you.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #413 on: July 03, 2013, 09:05:00 PM »
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Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
So . . . let me get this straight. You find satisfaction and contentment in a poison that causes you to have PVCs! Why do I find that to be just a bit off cue? :blink:


This really isn't the "worst" intro. It's the saddest!

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #412 on: July 03, 2013, 08:37:00 PM »
Quote from: SirDerek
Quote from: CBird65
Quote from: TheBFA
Quote from: jayd41
Quote from: TheBFA
Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
Guys, clearly he is just looking for some info from people "trying" to quit. Clearly he is in the wrong place, no here is trying to quit.

Also, As an aside, you may have stopped for a while but clearly you are no quitter. If you think you can quit anytime, that is awesome. But all of us had multiple stops so you ain't no special butterfly.

Best of luck to you, and that link to the alternative non nicotine chews is pretty amazing. Of you ever do decide to quit, come on back. We will be here.
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #411 on: July 03, 2013, 08:31:00 PM »
Quote from: SirDerek
Quote from: CBird65
Quote from: TheBFA
Quote from: jayd41
Quote from: TheBFA
Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.
I've read some pretty pathetic stuff since I have been on here. This one? Wow, it takes the cake.

But hey, you go ahead and enjoy your dip...... I'll write ya a poems for you coffin.
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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #410 on: July 03, 2013, 07:20:00 PM »
Quote from: CBird65
Quote from: TheBFA
Quote from: jayd41
Quote from: TheBFA
Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
1- as mentioned this is a nicotene cessation site. So if you want to quit (and from what you say you do not) this is the place.

2- there is one point that you say is correct, if you want to quit to will find a way, if you do not want to quit, then you will not.

3 - nicotene is an addictive substance, the strongest that is on this Earth. So do not kid yourself here. You said about not dipping but you were snacking (well there is the telling word as you were replacing one thing with another).

I will just say to tell you I hope you find what you are looking for while just wasting your money to those who have the wrong idea about what is good and bad for your body. Cause if you just quit it, you can enjoy the sugarfree gum, candy and other beneficial things in life.

And when you lose your jaw, well you can say we told you so.

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Re: General Discussion - 2013
« Reply #409 on: July 03, 2013, 06:31:00 PM »
Quote from: TheBFA
Quote from: jayd41
Quote from: TheBFA
Hey,  I'm new here and didnt really want to do an introduction cause I'm probablya bad influence and thoroughly enjoy dipping,  but I kind of want to stop for health reasons (I get PVCs when I dip a lot and have any alcohol along with anything with caffeine.) I pretty much joined to see if anyone knows where I can get kikit brand tobacco free chew.  I have been looking online and can't find it anywhere. I feel likei can quit any time I want,  and have been fine going cold turkey for weeks or months at a time,  but just miss the  satisfaction and contentment. I recently went a year and a half without cause I was in Australia and they don't sell it there, but as soon as I hit US soil I got some.  I don't feel I have a nicotine addiction, I just have the habit. With that being said, I would do fine with just having a dip alternative in my mouth that seems real.  I have tried bacoff and it's the most disgusting thing ever to me.  It tastes like it had Pine Sol in it. I was walking into the commissary on day when I was in Hawaii and they were handing out free samples of kikit and I got two cans.  The green can was the best dip alternative I've ever tried.  It really feels like you have a dip in and even gives a little bit of a burn. The feel is perfect and it stays packed in your lip like a real dip,  unlike the jerky chew that ends up hurting my lip more than real dip cause its so dry.

Does anyone know where to get it? Or if you've tried it before, know of anything extremely similar? I'm a Copenhagen straight user,  and not really fond of the wintergreen or natural tasting ones.  If anyone could give me some ideas so I don't have to waste too much money on buying everything to try and can eliminate some options right away, I would greatly appreciate it!
um...might have been the worst intro, message on a discussion board i've ever read since joining KTC 57 days ago.

first of all, you need to go to the intro page and maybe make an introduction to the rest of the 15000 members on here. If you think you can quit at any time then you would be quit right now. That type of talk will get you no where here.

if you are not an addict you wouldn't be here searching for something to help you quit...non addicts don't pick something that can kill them after putting it down for a year. You need a role model...i'm not him, but seriously...i'm so pissed off by this comment i could just scream. 'bang head'

Good luck
Sorry it's the worst intro ever, but the fact is, I don't want to quit dipping. I want to dip something else, and it's specifically made by kikit. I dip when I'm bored or doing specific things like playing video games or working in the yard. I don't dip because I need the nicotine. I used to bar tend and could go hours without even thinking about dipping. If I'm around certain people or where dipping seems a little inappropriate, I have no problems going without it and not even feeling any need for it. I just have an oral fixation. When I didn't dip while in Australia, I was snacking all the time. I didn't join to get help with quitting. I joined because people who are trying to quit probably have a good knowledge of the products out there and I specifically want a certain product or a very similar product that I plan on continually using in the place of tobacco dip. Everyone is different and has different levels of addiction, so you can't classify me in the same group that everyone else is in. A person will never succeed in quitting anything if they don't want to quit. I happen to not want to quit, but still have enough awareness to want to find an alternative. I don't want to chew gum, the salt in seeds and the hardness of the shells hurt my gums and cheek even more than dip and I find it to be even more inconveniencing than just spitting in a bottle. I'm sorry I don't have the same goals as most people on here, but maybe you just find the needs to try to outcast anyone who doesn't have the same goal as you, or maybe you take offense to the fact, whether you believe it or not, I CAN quit dipping whenever I want and not be a wreck for days after. Whenever I started back up again, it's because I chose to, not because I felt I needed to. I just enjoy it and as of right now, I don't havea desire to quit. A lot of times I decided to quit was because of the price jumping up to $6-$8 a can, or while on deployment, the lack of selection and freshness. Right now I can still get it for under$3 and I know it's bad for your health, but these days, just being alive is bad for your health.

So basically, I didn't join to get help with quitting, or get lectured, or brag about anything. I just wanted to get some info on some products. If that's too much to ask, then maybe you should be taking some stress management classes to deal with your withdrawals.
This is a quit site for those who want accountability in the effort to kill the can. A brotherhood who work together by publically posting our intent to quit every damn day. If you don't want to join - look at the link and be gone.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp

In closing, nicotine is an addictive substance and that 'satisfaction and contentment' your craving is an addiction - stop sugar coating it.
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