General Discussion - 2015

[Gunner72]

Hi everyone im in day 3 of no nicotine I don't feel like myself the lightheadedness is really getting to me like everything is in slow motion its messing with my head can anyone tell me whats the best ways to cope with this I feel like im going to just loose it

[datsunking1]

Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?

The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!

Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!

Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!

DO NOT GIVE IN.

I kept asking myself "Maybe if I go back I can live my life." "I can be normal again" "It won't affect my work" "I'll be able to drink/sleep/live/think/be happy" The mind games, racing thoughts, anxiety and depression were VERY VERY real. I kept wondering if I was going nuts. Today, 9.23.2015, was the first day I felt fantastic. None of the previous lingering anxiety or mind racing. 75 days clean. It will only get better Cope. DO NOT GIVE IN. The panic attacks will not kill you, don't freak out, just breathe, and take control. You're in control.

FUCK THAT.

You will suffer, to get better. We've pummeled ourselves with this trash whether it be a year or 30.

We will pay the ultimate price to be better.

I have a thorough hatred of this shit, and those that created it.

[datsunking1]

Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16

Yeah dude, the anxiety was fucking WILD.

Literally felt like I was dying, I had the weirdest thoughts, dreams, depression....It was NOT fun at all. I thought I was going crazy. Today was the first day since I quit that I felt great and myself the whole time. No lingering 'what if' no racing thoughts, and I even had a couple cups of coffee :) I kept coming back here asking everyone or freaking out thinking I was going crazy.

Things are looking up.

Every day you're improving, remember that.

Nicotine DESTROYS your adrenals and serotonin receptors... (the things that make you feel good) literally fucks them.

FINALLY feeling normal at day 75. It can only get better.

[Nomore1959]

Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!

Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.

Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!

Hi skagnetti13

Your quit date of the 23rd looks right if you took your last dip this morn. You would be in the december quit group. You would need to jump in there and post a day 1. Remember post roll every day and post early. It helps keep you accountable to your self as well as your fellow brethren.

I quit with your brother!

Ray

A kick in the ass is easy to get around here, but so is support for your quit. Join DjPorkchop in the December 2015 quit group and meet some fellow bad ass quitters!

I love the sound of nicotine flushing down the pipes! I quit with you today.

[DjPorkchop]

Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!

Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.

Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!

Hi skagnetti13

Your quit date of the 23rd looks right if you took your last dip this morn. You would be in the december quit group. You would need to jump in there and post a day 1. Remember post roll every day and post early. It helps keep you accountable to your self as well as your fellow brethren.

I quit with your brother!

Ray

[skagnetti13]

Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!

Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.

Thanks for this kick in the ass! Didn't quit after reading your quote, but I did this morning and dumped my can for good! You're totally right about the difference between stop and quit. Never had an old quit group, just did the beginning steps without even viewing any of the discussion groups. Considering I wasn't serious last time but am 100% serious this time, do you have any idea how I can change my quit date? I feel like I just escaped from prison and the cops (chew) are/is after me with a vengeance. I understand that I will be on the run my whole life from this horrible substance. I will never go back to that prison again!!!!!!!!!!

[DjPorkchop]

You know, I went to bed thinking I was gonna wake up and today would be cool. It is kinda sucking a little bit. Got me a crave going today that won't stop. Kinda sitting here drinking my coffee now and riding out the storm waiting for it to pass.

And MRI ...... Now that would be sweet lol find out what is happening in there.

[Cope30]

Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?

The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!

Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!

Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!

about 16 years cope. Kodiak was my bitch... or should I say I was Kodiaks bitch for almost 16 years. I have not really hit the mind games yet. Im only on day 6 here but day 3 was a royal bitch!!

I have not strayed far from this site the last few days just in case. Nice strong support here. I dont do goo don my own. Kodiak would win for sure and I dont want that. Im sure over time it will get better for me. I am waiting for the fog that everyone speaks of. Now that the nic is out of me it is mind games from here on out.

I recall quitting smoking 12 years ago. The first 3 days sucked and after that it was all mind games. I won that match and am still winning it 12 years later. I can only hope for the same outcome with this quit.

Stay strong brother and I quit with you today!!!!!

I couldn't agree more about the support and they tell me this is all normal feelings.
Today I feel like going and getting an MRI just to see if my brain is normal. Hard to stay strong on days like today, but we can't let it win.

Stay strong!!!

[DjPorkchop]

Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?

The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!

Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!

Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!

about 16 years cope. Kodiak was my bitch... or should I say I was Kodiaks bitch for almost 16 years. I have not really hit the mind games yet. Im only on day 6 here but day 3 was a royal bitch!!

I have not strayed far from this site the last few days just in case. Nice strong support here. I dont do goo don my own. Kodiak would win for sure and I dont want that. Im sure over time it will get better for me. I am waiting for the fog that everyone speaks of. Now that the nic is out of me it is mind games from here on out.

I recall quitting smoking 12 years ago. The first 3 days sucked and after that it was all mind games. I won that match and am still winning it 12 years later. I can only hope for the same outcome with this quit.

Stay strong brother and I quit with you today!!!!!

[Cope30]

Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?

The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!

Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!

Hi Chop,

How long were you a slave to the devils dirt?
Day 37 free and still have mind games and panic attacks that I am trying to get through.
I would have never dreamed that something that taste so good would have so many toxins in it.

Stay Strong!

[DjPorkchop]

Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16

Well what would you rather have? A little depression/anxiety...that will pass, or cancer? The choice for me was simple. Give the shit up and do it today!! The anxiety and depression will pass in time I am quite sure. Just remember how it feels so you never have to feel it again. There is a way to do it.

1. Join your home group and post roll every day. This is a promise to your self and your brothers and sisters that you will not use nic in any way shape or form today. Post early! This helps keep you accountable.
2. Drink water, and lots of it! Help flush this nic out of your system. it will take about 3 days.
3. Keep coming back and posting roll every day over and over again. just keep coming back.

You will need to grow some thick skin too. People here tell it how it is how it will be and how it should be. Tough love!!

So come on and give it a try. Go post roll, do an introduction, and start swapping numbers with people for support. Yeah, swap numbers with total strangers. They are here to help you, so use it!!

Good luck brother! I quit with you today!!!!!

[lipripper16]

Holy Shit, its amazing how coming off a substance can do this to you. It makes me scared to want to stay quit knowing the terrible anxiety you have explained. I had already suffered from some anxiety and depression and i had used tobacco to help myself cope with it. All of last year i had dealt with some serious anxiety and depression and i started dipping on full-throttle then. The anxiety i dealt with sounds similar to the anxiety y'all are dealing with and that is when you guys had quit. I had already been experiencing that kind of anxiety while dipping. MIND BLOWN. STILL FUCK TOBACCO AND FUCK GRIZZLY WINTERGREEN YOU STUPID FUCKING BEAR!

lipripper16

[DjPorkchop]

Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?

The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

Stay Strong!!

Hi Cope.

I been trying not use use the valiums at all. It has been 3 days since i had one. Im on day 6 now and that was back on day 3 which sucked real bad.

My doc and yours must be on the same page. Mine didnt want me to quit at first. I told him I was and that was going to be that. havent looked back. But for when the bad days hit, I have over 300 valiums on standby. I will make it through but I truly am trying not to use them. I know me I get addicted to shit real easy.

Take care and I quit with you today brother!!

[Idaho Spuds]

Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!

Check your private message!
Quit today and man up!
Don't wait till Friday, we have all been putting off quitting for years. There is always a Friday or tomorrow.

[chewie]

I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'

Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

literally the best thing I ever did.

It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do anything. The only thing I

Yep... that was me. Took myself to the ER twice. Thought I was having a heart attack. It was "just" anxiety due to quitting.

Throw in a massive case of GERD / Acid Reflux that actually got worse when I quit (for a while) and I was a fucking trainwreck.

Hang in there. All of that goes away. You're on the right path!

chewie