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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #625 on: September 21, 2015, 09:41:00 PM »
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Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
The Valiums are a cover in the early stage of the quit, I would try to hold out as long as you can with not using them.Yyou need them much later on in your fight that is ahead with full blown panic attacks and the mind games. I don't know how long you were addicted but it's going to hit you at some point during your quit, be strong and don't cave. My dumb ass Dr. wanted me to start back dipping and slowly wean myself off of it, I told him I made it this far with no nicotine and I'm not giving in now, that's when he gave me the Valiums.

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #624 on: September 21, 2015, 09:22:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal. br /br /I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)br /br /I thought about doing the same. br /br /The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...) br /br /Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again. br /br /I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car. br /br /I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D br /br /I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. br /br /Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked. br /br /If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work. br /br /Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will. br /so when I quit and my body realized no more, br /br /BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY. br /br /(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly. br /br /I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day. br /br /You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away. br /br /Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)br /br /Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it. br /br /Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting. br /br /literally the best thing I ever did. br /br /
It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do something they don't want to. The only thing I can do is be there for them when the decide to quit and get them past this part that I am going through now.
Thanks for the support!
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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #623 on: September 21, 2015, 09:21:00 PM »
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Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!
Really. To make this work you need to be honest with yourself. A couple points:

1. You are an addict, just like I am, just like everyone here.

2. You have stopped a couple times for a while, quit is different.

3. Don't plan to quit. Flush the contents of every can you have and quit now! Explain your cave and new day 1 to your old quit group, then to the December 2015 group.

Think hard about what you will do differently this time. You said your first pass here was half assed... what gets your whole ass quit? Do it so you can succeed, and yes your former brothers in quit will smack you upside your head with a verbal 2x4 or two to make sure you take your quit and yourself seriously this time.

As they say, sack up, flush the shit, and post roll.

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #622 on: September 21, 2015, 09:19:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

literally the best thing I ever did.
It's nice to know that others felt the same as I do, I thought something was wrong with me. I was literally having days where I thought I wasn't going to make it, freaking out, anxiety attacks and trying to work at the same time. Today has been the best day by far, I actually feel like a human today and on earth.
I have defiantly never going to touch that poison again. I'm trying to get buddies to quit this garbage also, but you cant make anyone do anything. The only thing I
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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #621 on: September 21, 2015, 08:26:00 PM »
Good evening all!

I know my quit date says 4/20/14 but that was a full blown half ass attempt to quit. I am setting my final quit date for this coming Friday at 11:59 PM. Been chewing since I was 16 and I am now 46. I've quit a couple of different times for a couple years each time, but like a dummy started up again. I'm married with a 9 year old boy and 7 year old girl. None of them know that I have been chewing again for years. I need to do this for me and them. I have my reasons for not telling them so please don't urge me to do so. I chew Kodiak and with the help of people on this site and some close co-workers and friends I'm gonna quit for good this time. Gonna take the proverbial shot gun to the Kodak's head and take it clean off. I have so much respect for those of you that have quit and continue to remain vigilant! Congratulations! Thank you for this forum as I know it's going to be a true life saver!

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #620 on: September 20, 2015, 09:28:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
Yes, all of these are entirely normal.

I think Chewie went to the hospital twice for thinking he was dying (if I recall correctly)

I thought about doing the same.

The reason I KNOW it's nicotine is that I never had anxiety, depression, or weird feelings UNTIL I quit. EVER. I was the happiest most upbeat kid in the world. I'm 72 days clean, and it's been hell and high water. It's been a wild spiritual journey as well (thinking you're going to die makes you do some deep digging...)

Anxiety, depression, all of it is NORMAL. I can tell you with a whole heart, it DOES GET BETTER. Your brain is repairing itself, you will be normal and happy again.

I was having full blown and rolling panic attacks, I'd wake up thinking I was going to die with that sick stomach feeling like you're going over a bump in a car.

I got a basic physical, everything looked fantastic. I only dipped for 1.5 years, but nicotine definitely had its grasp on me. I was going through bouts of 'will I be ok' and things like that, you work yourself into anxiety and it sucked. You will be ok, each day seriously gets better and better. The anxiety has gone away (day 60 or so for me) I mean I went from having full blown panic to being fine, I couldn't drink ANY coffee or caffeine for nearly a month, I had my first two cups yesterday and I was fine :D

I can tell you, FUCK THAT NICOTINE SHIT AND FUCK THE TOBACCO COMPANIES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

Quitting itself was easy, it's the after effects that sucked.

If anything, living sober lets you appreciate life. I wake up now with a floating 'i don't give a shit' feeling, everything is a blast, and to be honest, I'm just happy to breathe, walk, talk, and go to work.

Quitting turned my life around. I believe when you link anxiety/stress and cope with depression with a substance, when there's no substance, the anxiety and shit appears, and you're left to deal with it. Bottled up, if you will.
so when I quit and my body realized no more,

BOOM! Instant WTF mode. I was forced to deal with it all full bore. I had major personal stuff as well which I think affects it MAJORLY.

(broke up with my gf, parents got divorced, moved 600 miles with just a pillow to start a new job, college graduation, etc) Not like my life is a shit wreck, but I was definitely using beer and nicotine to deal with it. once again, all bottled up, and quitting forces you to deal with it soberly.

I'd come home, throw a dip in, and call it a day.

You're not going mad. Nicotine ramps up your adrenals until your body is so used to having it that it freaks when it doesn't. The fog and everything will disappear. It will take a lot of time, but I can tell you it will go away.

Just put it this way. You pummeled your body with that dirty fking shit for years, along with work stress, marriage stress (if applicable), bill stress, physical stress, and all the negativity in your life (news, people, etc.) Your brain is hardwired to thinking this way, now you have to rewire and clean it :)

Now you're forced to face it all at once, and you ARE strong enough to do it. If I did it, you can do it.

Best of luck. You are more powerful, and HUGE congrats on quitting.

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #619 on: September 20, 2015, 09:01:00 PM »
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Quote from: CavMan83
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.
Hows it going Cope30? Still hanging in there bud?
Yes sir, hate the mind games. Today hasn't been to bad, I still don't feel like I'm earth most of the time but after 30 years of poison I put in my body, what else should I expect. I know I still have a huge battle ahead of me as my body tries to rid itself of the toxins. Not going to cave.
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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #618 on: September 20, 2015, 12:27:00 PM »
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Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.
Hows it going Cope30? Still hanging in there bud?
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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #617 on: September 17, 2015, 08:39:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
Cope30, the feelings you are having are entirely normal. Most quitters will tell you the physical withdrawal (lasts about 3-4 days) is the EASY stuff compared to the mental/psychological withdrawal. Think about it, for more than 3 decades you were ingesting enough poison (yes, poison) on a daily basis to kill a small laboratory animal. During that 30 year stretch, your brain built up dopamine receptors (a ton of them) to receive that "ahhh" when you popped in a dip, even long after it made you feel slightly loopy. Now your brain is, in effect, rewiring itself to shut down all those receptors. Think of them as little nicotine demons jumping up and down inside your nugget as they are dying off.... It will take a considerable amount of time (most say 9 - 12 months) before you begin to feel normal on a regular basis. Stay the course, it is INFINITELY worth it when you begin to experience glimpses of clarity, short durations at first, but then increasing in length and frequency until you come out the other side.

This place will help you get there. It's called beating an addiction.

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #616 on: September 17, 2015, 08:29:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
Where do I need to go to post roll? New here, day 1. So nice to have support from fellow x-dippers.
This is an awesome site. Glad I found it.
November 2015 is your quit group. Mosey over that way, check out how to post roll and get on board. Might take a moment to introduce yourself over there too.

Welcome!

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #615 on: September 17, 2015, 08:13:00 PM »
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
So the things I am feeling are normal withdrawal symptoms? If so, this is the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life. I am even telling my employees they need to start a quit plan before they get to the point where I am.
2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.


HOF 11/24/15 Zombroski Nymphos
1st Floor 11-24-15
2nd Floor 3-3-16
3rd Floor 6-11-16
4th Floor 9-19-16
5th Floor 12-27-16
6th Floor 4-7-17

http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11504909/

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #614 on: September 17, 2015, 08:02:00 PM »
Quote from: Idaho
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!
Where do I need to go to post roll? New here, day 1. So nice to have support from fellow x-dippers.
This is an awesome site. Glad I found it.
2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.


HOF 11/24/15 Zombroski Nymphos
1st Floor 11-24-15
2nd Floor 3-3-16
3rd Floor 6-11-16
4th Floor 9-19-16
5th Floor 12-27-16
6th Floor 4-7-17

http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11504909/

http://www.panicend.com/de.html

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #613 on: September 17, 2015, 07:54:00 PM »
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Hi Cope.

Day 32... nice! I am just now on day 1. As far as the fog goes, i am not quite sure. Like you I have 5 mg Valium to rely on. I got 2 of them on board as we speak. It has calmed me down a bit to say the least. I hope the valiums help.

We got this man!! Have you posted roll yet?
Congrats on your first day of freedom, it will be a long hard road, I tried to quit many times before on my own before I found this site and caved every time after a week. Stick with it. No don't know where to go to post roll. Please advise. First day as a member.
2 Timothy 1:7 - For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.


HOF 11/24/15 Zombroski Nymphos
1st Floor 11-24-15
2nd Floor 3-3-16
3rd Floor 6-11-16
4th Floor 9-19-16
5th Floor 12-27-16
6th Floor 4-7-17

http://forum.killthecan.org/topic/11504909/

http://www.panicend.com/de.html

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #612 on: September 17, 2015, 06:46:00 PM »
Quote from: Nomore1959
Quote from: Cope30
I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).
^^^ well said sir!!!

Quitting this poison and fighting this addiction cause us to have experiences that we all think are unique but a lot quitters have gone through similar if not exact issues.
Keep fighting and read everything on the site, it is quit medicine!

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Re: General Discussion - 2015
« Reply #611 on: September 17, 2015, 06:24:00 PM »
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I joined KTC today. I have been dipping for over 30 years now and after 32 days, I quit cold Turkey, I even quit drinking at the same time, talk about a double whammy! I started chewing when I was around 14 as I visited my cousins during the summer months in Kentucky, years later it progressed to dip. My brand of choice was Cope Long Cut Wintergreen. Over the last 5 years I have used a can a day and going cold Turkey, has been a living HELL! Day 18 of being free is when it hit the fan, I feel like I am not even here, I can talk to someone and it's like its not me talking to them, I feel like I am losing touch with reality, that's when the anxiety sets in and I go into panic mode, Is this normal? Is this the "FOG' that everyone refers to on here? If so, you all have been strong to not cave and give back into the dip demon. I went to the Dr. and he started me on 5mg of Valium, first day on it and it seem to help some but I still do not feel like myself. If this is the normal feeling associated with nicotine withdrawals, I will never touch this stuff again. I just want this to go away and be normal again, but what is normal, without dip. 'Crazy'
It does get better, but the suck and fog can last a while. 32 days solo is BADASS! I made about 10 days before I found KTC and some answers to the kinds of questions you are asking.

The secret is not our individual strength ... It is the strength we gain through accountability and brotherhood. You will find quitters at all stages of quit, experiencing and surviving what you are going through, but doing it by supporting eachother and explaining what to expect and how to manage the tricks nicotine plays on our addicted minds. All you need to do is post roll (November? as the month you will reach 100 days). Publicly promise to use no nicotine in any form for one day, promise to yourself, promise to all the quitters here. Make it through the day. Wake up in the morning and post your one day promise again.

Before you know it, the numbers of one days start adding up. More important, life gets better in ways you can't imagine right now.

It all starts by saying hello and posting roll (the only way to screw up is to not post roll).