General Discussion - 2017

[ATL-NinjaDip]

Just an observation and suggestion. Not raising a stink for sure. 'winker'

It seems it may be better to limit roll call threads to just roll call posts. The general discussion in between e.g. rants/raves, fun, questions, etc. is easily lost amongst all the roll posts. I miss these general posts if i don't scroll back several pages to see what I missed.

Potentially every quit group should have a roll call thread as well as a general discussion thread. I know we need somewhere other than here in KTC general discussion to collaborate as a quit group but within the roll call thread itself doesn't make sense to me.

October 2017
-Roll Call
-General Discussion
-More Accountability / Contact Information

I'm a newbie so I'm guessing this concern has been raised before and it simply is better the way it is. I don't use forum tools either so that may be part of the problem.

Peace and Tacos

Concur

[Brisingr]

Just an observation and suggestion. Not raising a stink for sure. 'winker'

It seems it may be better to limit roll call threads to just roll call posts. The general discussion in between e.g. rants/raves, fun, questions, etc. is easily lost amongst all the roll posts. I miss these general posts if i don't scroll back several pages to see what I missed.

Potentially every quit group should have a roll call thread as well as a general discussion thread. I know we need somewhere other than here in KTC general discussion to collaborate as a quit group but within the roll call thread itself doesn't make sense to me.

October 2017
-Roll Call
-General Discussion
-More Accountability / Contact Information

I'm a newbie so I'm guessing this concern has been raised before and it simply is better the way it is. I don't use forum tools either so that may be part of the problem.

Peace and Tacos

[chewie]

Thinking of weird shit I used to think about when I was dipping.

As my username indicates, I was a Ninja Dipper. I could hide my dip better than anyone, and I did, for about 11 years. I could dip in polite society, gut the juice, an no-one was the wiser.

As I drove to and from work in this god awful ATL traffic, I used to wonder what to do if I got into a wreck. I was so afraid that I might get into an accident, become incapacitated, and the paramedics would have to pull a big wad of dip out of my trachea, or my wife would find out about my dip stash in the truck. I used to think about where I could hide my stash so that if I got into a wreck, no one would discover it. I never really found a good place, because, Duh, if you're that fucked up in a wreck, your dip stash is probably smashed too. So I spent time concocting the story I would tell my wife, just in case it came up.
"It wasn't mine."
"Must have been the paramedics."

Stupid, stupid, stupid shit. Now that I'm 16 days into my quit, the fog is slowly lifting, and I'm looking back at the absolutely stupid things I was thinking and doing at the time.

Any other Ninja Dippers have elaborate cover-up stories for if/when they got busted?

My plan was to say "oh that must have been left there from the hunting trip" or "my brother must have left that in here." My truck isn't exactly surgically clean, so it's not unusual for something to be left in a door panel for months/ years. If she found it in the house, my plan was to point, say "Look over there!" and then run away, change my name and start a new life in Utah.

It's pretty fucked up what that nicotine made us do.

I actually entertained the thought of leaving if busted. When I finally was caught by my wife, my first instinct was to lie, which I did, and then I broke down and confessed. Holy crap was she pissed. I had lied to her for a LONG time, and she was pissed at me for that. She was also pissed that she hadn't caught or noticed me sooner.

this is brilliant... thanks for sharing guys.

https://www.killthecan.org/the-lies-dippers-weave/

[ATL-NinjaDip]

Thinking of weird shit I used to think about when I was dipping.

As my username indicates, I was a Ninja Dipper. I could hide my dip better than anyone, and I did, for about 11 years. I could dip in polite society, gut the juice, an no-one was the wiser.

As I drove to and from work in this god awful ATL traffic, I used to wonder what to do if I got into a wreck. I was so afraid that I might get into an accident, become incapacitated, and the paramedics would have to pull a big wad of dip out of my trachea, or my wife would find out about my dip stash in the truck. I used to think about where I could hide my stash so that if I got into a wreck, no one would discover it. I never really found a good place, because, Duh, if you're that fucked up in a wreck, your dip stash is probably smashed too. So I spent time concocting the story I would tell my wife, just in case it came up.
"It wasn't mine."
"Must have been the paramedics."

Stupid, stupid, stupid shit. Now that I'm 16 days into my quit, the fog is slowly lifting, and I'm looking back at the absolutely stupid things I was thinking and doing at the time.

Any other Ninja Dippers have elaborate cover-up stories for if/when they got busted?

My plan was to say "oh that must have been left there from the hunting trip" or "my brother must have left that in here." My truck isn't exactly surgically clean, so it's not unusual for something to be left in a door panel for months/ years. If she found it in the house, my plan was to point, say "Look over there!" and then run away, change my name and start a new life in Utah.

It's pretty fucked up what that nicotine made us do.

I actually entertained the thought of leaving if busted. When I finally was caught by my wife, my first instinct was to lie, which I did, and then I broke down and confessed. Holy crap was she pissed. I had lied to her for a LONG time, and she was pissed at me for that. She was also pissed that she hadn't caught or noticed me sooner.

[pky1520]

Thinking of weird shit I used to think about when I was dipping.

As my username indicates, I was a Ninja Dipper. I could hide my dip better than anyone, and I did, for about 11 years. I could dip in polite society, gut the juice, an no-one was the wiser.

As I drove to and from work in this god awful ATL traffic, I used to wonder what to do if I got into a wreck. I was so afraid that I might get into an accident, become incapacitated, and the paramedics would have to pull a big wad of dip out of my trachea, or my wife would find out about my dip stash in the truck. I used to think about where I could hide my stash so that if I got into a wreck, no one would discover it. I never really found a good place, because, Duh, if you're that fucked up in a wreck, your dip stash is probably smashed too. So I spent time concocting the story I would tell my wife, just in case it came up.
"It wasn't mine."
"Must have been the paramedics."

Stupid, stupid, stupid shit. Now that I'm 16 days into my quit, the fog is slowly lifting, and I'm looking back at the absolutely stupid things I was thinking and doing at the time.

Any other Ninja Dippers have elaborate cover-up stories for if/when they got busted?

My plan was to say "oh that must have been left there from the hunting trip" or "my brother must have left that in here." My truck isn't exactly surgically clean, so it's not unusual for something to be left in a door panel for months/ years. If she found it in the house, my plan was to point, say "Look over there!" and then run away, change my name and start a new life in Utah.

[ATL-NinjaDip]

Thinking of weird shit I used to think about when I was dipping.

As my username indicates, I was a Ninja Dipper. I could hide my dip better than anyone, and I did, for about 11 years. I could dip in polite society, gut the juice, an no-one was the wiser.

As I drove to and from work in this god awful ATL traffic, I used to wonder what to do if I got into a wreck. I was so afraid that I might get into an accident, become incapacitated, and the paramedics would have to pull a big wad of dip out of my trachea, or my wife would find out about my dip stash in the truck. I used to think about where I could hide my stash so that if I got into a wreck, no one would discover it. I never really found a good place, because, Duh, if you're that fucked up in a wreck, your dip stash is probably smashed too. So I spent time concocting the story I would tell my wife, just in case it came up.
"It wasn't mine."
"Must have been the paramedics."

Stupid, stupid, stupid shit. Now that I'm 16 days into my quit, the fog is slowly lifting, and I'm looking back at the absolutely stupid things I was thinking and doing at the time.

Any other Ninja Dippers have elaborate cover-up stories for if/when they got busted?

[chewie]

I have noticed a wave of pessimism overcome me the past couple days. It as if things seem so mundane and dull. I can think completely clearly, but everything from my perception seems negative in tone. I am more susceptible to a sudden bout of anger. I generally just feel down, viewing things as darker than they really are. I know I will not cave. I know I will get back up. I will adapt and overcome.

Having a community such as this one is a great tool. The past two days I've had what seems to be more intense psychological withdrawals. I know it will all come to pass and get better with time.

I've noticed myself drinking a lot more sodas. One of the strangest, but sometimes funnest parts of quitting nicotine is the dreams you have. I've had some very interesting dreams a couple nights in a row. On one or two dreams, however, I woke up quite disturbed. Not scared, just disturbed.

With all that being said, I'm two weeks in. I'm thankful to have this site and all of you who involve yourself in this community. I know this is my last and true quit because of this website right here.

Hang in there... the two week mark can be a doozy. Fight through it!

https://www.killthecan.org/facts-figure ... -weakness/

[chewie]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

That seems powerful and I certainly need to work on that. This is a large site so I've found it difficult not to be lost in the masses. I text a few folks but it's fairly impersonal and the daily messages have already stopped. But I think my individual effort may be a reflection of the bonds I feel. Little effort, little bonds. Thank you for the advice. Very solid Sir.

Brisingr, glad to see you being honest about your limitations and reaching out for feedback - that's exactly what this place is for.

I found that the best way to manage severe cravings was through a technique called "surfing." It sounds a little new agey, but it worked for me. Basically, you focus all of your mental energy on experiencing the crave, but in a detached fashion. Describe to yourself, in your head or out loud, the physical sensation of the crave like you would to an outside observer. Like you're a scientist studying dip cravings. I know it sounds weird, but I found that by trying to detach from the experience, it made it less severe.

Fake dip, gum, candy, coffee grounds, etc. All that stuff can help you move past a crave. Exercise, chugging water, healthier options.

The biggest thing is to keep perspective. Each crave you work through signifies the healing process going on in your brain. By beating one, the next one won't be so bad. Over time, they become less common and less severe. Not sure if it ever truly goes away, I can tell you that it still happens after at least 419 days, but it becomes much easier to manage. Just remember that you're on the right path, just keep placing one foot in front of the other.

Edit: I wrote THIS in my Intro when I was a few weeks in. You might find putting something like that together helpful.

Wow, thank you for the post. There is a lot of good things to absorb here but I especially like a defense in depth approach. I'll give the surfing a shot too. Also interesting is your two types of cavers and I'm a little of both I think but more so as a self destructive action. I deal with depression (especially in the summer for some odd reason) and my last two caves were in response to nothing is good so might as well use tobacco. My life actually is very good so I have to learn that that not everyday is perfect and regardless, tobacco will never make it better. Thank you again for the suggestions; will add it to my toolbox for sure.

You can win this battle. I got 716 reasons why, but ultimately it's your call. Why are YOU quit, I know I can help you from there.

Some good advice here.

I'll add a link to my crave prevention plan that I've put into action several times over the years.

https://www.killthecan.org/the-crave-prevention-plan/

Chewie

[gottadoit3]

I have noticed a wave of pessimism overcome me the past couple days. It as if things seem so mundane and dull. I can think completely clearly, but everything from my perception seems negative in tone. I am more susceptible to a sudden bout of anger. I generally just feel down, viewing things as darker than they really are. I know I will not cave. I know I will get back up. I will adapt and overcome.

Having a community such as this one is a great tool. The past two days I've had what seems to be more intense psychological withdrawals. I know it will all come to pass and get better with time.

I've noticed myself drinking a lot more sodas. One of the strangest, but sometimes funnest parts of quitting nicotine is the dreams you have. I've had some very interesting dreams a couple nights in a row. On one or two dreams, however, I woke up quite disturbed. Not scared, just disturbed.

With all that being said, I'm two weeks in. I'm thankful to have this site and all of you who involve yourself in this community. I know this is my last and true quit because of this website right here.

[KingNothing]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

That seems powerful and I certainly need to work on that. This is a large site so I've found it difficult not to be lost in the masses. I text a few folks but it's fairly impersonal and the daily messages have already stopped. But I think my individual effort may be a reflection of the bonds I feel. Little effort, little bonds. Thank you for the advice. Very solid Sir.

Brisingr, glad to see you being honest about your limitations and reaching out for feedback - that's exactly what this place is for.

I found that the best way to manage severe cravings was through a technique called "surfing." It sounds a little new agey, but it worked for me. Basically, you focus all of your mental energy on experiencing the crave, but in a detached fashion. Describe to yourself, in your head or out loud, the physical sensation of the crave like you would to an outside observer. Like you're a scientist studying dip cravings. I know it sounds weird, but I found that by trying to detach from the experience, it made it less severe.

Fake dip, gum, candy, coffee grounds, etc. All that stuff can help you move past a crave. Exercise, chugging water, healthier options.

The biggest thing is to keep perspective. Each crave you work through signifies the healing process going on in your brain. By beating one, the next one won't be so bad. Over time, they become less common and less severe. Not sure if it ever truly goes away, I can tell you that it still happens after at least 419 days, but it becomes much easier to manage. Just remember that you're on the right path, just keep placing one foot in front of the other.

Edit: I wrote THIS in my Intro when I was a few weeks in. You might find putting something like that together helpful.

Wow, thank you for the post. There is a lot of good things to absorb here but I especially like a defense in depth approach. I'll give the surfing a shot too. Also interesting is your two types of cavers and I'm a little of both I think but more so as a self destructive action. I deal with depression (especially in the summer for some odd reason) and my last two caves were in response to nothing is good so might as well use tobacco. My life actually is very good so I have to learn that that not everyday is perfect and regardless, tobacco will never make it better. Thank you again for the suggestions; will add it to my toolbox for sure.

You can win this battle. I got 716 reasons why, but ultimately it's your call. Why are YOU quit, I know I can help you from there.

[Brisingr]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

That seems powerful and I certainly need to work on that. This is a large site so I've found it difficult not to be lost in the masses. I text a few folks but it's fairly impersonal and the daily messages have already stopped. But I think my individual effort may be a reflection of the bonds I feel. Little effort, little bonds. Thank you for the advice. Very solid Sir.

Brisingr, glad to see you being honest about your limitations and reaching out for feedback - that's exactly what this place is for.

I found that the best way to manage severe cravings was through a technique called "surfing." It sounds a little new agey, but it worked for me. Basically, you focus all of your mental energy on experiencing the crave, but in a detached fashion. Describe to yourself, in your head or out loud, the physical sensation of the crave like you would to an outside observer. Like you're a scientist studying dip cravings. I know it sounds weird, but I found that by trying to detach from the experience, it made it less severe.

Fake dip, gum, candy, coffee grounds, etc. All that stuff can help you move past a crave. Exercise, chugging water, healthier options.

The biggest thing is to keep perspective. Each crave you work through signifies the healing process going on in your brain. By beating one, the next one won't be so bad. Over time, they become less common and less severe. Not sure if it ever truly goes away, I can tell you that it still happens after at least 419 days, but it becomes much easier to manage. Just remember that you're on the right path, just keep placing one foot in front of the other.

Edit: I wrote THIS in my Intro when I was a few weeks in. You might find putting something like that together helpful.

Wow, thank you for the post. There is a lot of good things to absorb here but I especially like a defense in depth approach. I'll give the surfing a shot too. Also interesting is your two types of cavers and I'm a little of both I think but more so as a self destructive action. I deal with depression (especially in the summer for some odd reason) and my last two caves were in response to nothing is good so might as well use tobacco. My life actually is very good so I have to learn that that not everyday is perfect and regardless, tobacco will never make it better. Thank you again for the suggestions; will add it to my toolbox for sure.

[pky1520]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

That seems powerful and I certainly need to work on that. This is a large site so I've found it difficult not to be lost in the masses. I text a few folks but it's fairly impersonal and the daily messages have already stopped. But I think my individual effort may be a reflection of the bonds I feel. Little effort, little bonds. Thank you for the advice. Very solid Sir.

Brisingr, glad to see you being honest about your limitations and reaching out for feedback - that's exactly what this place is for.

I found that the best way to manage severe cravings was through a technique called "surfing." It sounds a little new agey, but it worked for me. Basically, you focus all of your mental energy on experiencing the crave, but in a detached fashion. Describe to yourself, in your head or out loud, the physical sensation of the crave like you would to an outside observer. Like you're a scientist studying dip cravings. I know it sounds weird, but I found that by trying to detach from the experience, it made it less severe.

Fake dip, gum, candy, coffee grounds, etc. All that stuff can help you move past a crave. Exercise, chugging water, healthier options.

The biggest thing is to keep perspective. Each crave you work through signifies the healing process going on in your brain. By beating one, the next one won't be so bad. Over time, they become less common and less severe. Not sure if it ever truly goes away, I can tell you that it still happens after at least 419 days, but it becomes much easier to manage. Just remember that you're on the right path, just keep placing one foot in front of the other.

Edit: I wrote THIS in my Intro when I was a few weeks in. You might find putting something like that together helpful.

[Brisingr]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

That seems powerful and I certainly need to work on that. This is a large site so I've found it difficult not to be lost in the masses. I text a few folks but it's fairly impersonal and the daily messages have already stopped. But I think my individual effort may be a reflection of the bonds I feel. Little effort, little bonds. Thank you for the advice. Very solid Sir.

[drstober]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(

For me, even though I've yet to reach out to anyone in the heat of a crave, just knowing I had friends and brothers I would be letting down kept me honest. That's why it's so important to participate in your group and get to know each other. Get invested in each other.

I still genuinely worry about opening my door to an asswhuppin from guys like LJT, Mac, Pab, GA, etc. Even moreso, there are lots of people on the boards and RL (shout out to the NW quitters) that have invested time in helping me quit. I've invested in them. I can't imagine throwing that bond away.

Brotherhood and accountability. Building the former makes the latter bulletproof. And you get to meet some pretty cool folks, too.

[Brisingr]

I need some advice. As I try to close the door on tobacco, my past caves were a result of not having a good plan to deal with craves. While I know it's the wrong answer, in that selfish moment, I am very unlikely to reach out to anyone for help. I'm not looking for advice such as hydrate, take a walk, etc; I need to mature my mental plan. Posting here everyday regardless of how long I've been quit is a critical action for me and I've written myself a long letter to remind myself of what a cave will do to me if I make that decision.

What other tools can I add to my daily quit arsenal?

How do I close the door to tobacco?

Thank you brothers from other mothers. :'(