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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #253 on: May 28, 2017, 03:23:00 AM »
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Going on day 2 of quitting and after reading everything it's going to be rough. Already going through extreme depression after loosing the woman I was proposing too. To make things worse I take adderol at work to help focus but it makes me crave dip so I want to get off that. So now I have to deal with the Fog, and im getting hit with more lack of concentration from not taking medicine. Add the loss of my love and this is gut wrentching. I can't focus at work or sleep. Maybe this isn't best time to quit?
guessing he didn't quit? what group is he with, anybody reach out to this guy?
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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #252 on: May 27, 2017, 09:37:00 AM »
Proposed FDA rule worries Kentucky tobacco growers


By JORDAN STRICKLER

Kentucky Correspondent
LEXINGTON, Ky. — The attempts of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to limit N-nitrosonornicotine (NNN) in smokeless tobacco products is causing concern to the tobacco industry.
NNN, a class of carcinogens known as tobacco-specified nitrosamines, is labeled as a harmful or potentially harmful constituent in tobacco products by the FDA. Proposed guidelines would limit the levels of NNN to 1 microgram per gram, or one part per million (ppm) at any point through the productÂ’s labeled expiration date.
This would be especially harmful to those growers who raise dark fire-cured tobacco, the primary type used for smokeless tobacco in the United States, as that crop tends to have more NNN by way of the crop itself and the way in which it is processed.
With most smokeless tobacco products containing NNN of between 1.5-5 ppm, and with the majority of products around 3 ppm or higher, the proposed limit of 1 ppm is concerning especially producers in Kentucky, where 90 percent of the tobacco grown is dark fire-cured. The state led the nation in production of dark fire-cured and dark air-cured tobacco in 2015, at 31.7 million and 13.75 million pounds, respectively.
According to the USDA, dark tobacco production in the U.S. totals approximately 24,000 acres, with a cash value of $173 million per year

Originally, the FDA planned to accept public comments on the proposed standard until April 10; however, that was extended for an additional 90 days, to July 10, to allow more time to compile comments from the public.
“Hopefully this legislation doesn’t pass, because this will have an immediate effect on growers,” said University of Kentucky dark tobacco extension specialist Andy Bailey. “As it stands, it would have an enormous effect on dark-cured tobacco.” Changes in NNN can be caused by a number of different factors and they can vary significantly from year to year. Although tobacco plants produce a small amount of NNN, a wide variety of factors can affect the final levels of NNN found in finished tobacco products.

These factors, which can either increase or decrease NNN levels, include the tobacco type, growing conditions (e.g. geographic region, climate, rainfall), curing techniques (e.g. fire, flue, air, sun), production processes and storage conditions.
“We’re growing about 16,000 acres of dark cured tobacco and about 8,000 acres of air-cured,” said Bailey. “It’s about a $190 million crop. If this legislation went through, in the worst case, we wouldn’t have a market for 90 percent of our dark fire-cured tobacco.
“It would have a major, major impact. We have about 1,800 tobacco growers; probably 1,400 are growing dark-fire cured tobacco.”
The standard stems from the Swedish Snus, which is able to achieve the limit. The problem with that, Bailey explained, is that it is comparing apples to oranges.
“The Swedish Snus products don’t contain the same type of tobacco. Of the 15 or so products which the FDA reviewed, two were Swedish Snus and one was a loose-leaf tobacco product, which is different than the type used in most snuff in the U.S.
“Those three had less than 1 part per million,” he said. The FDA expects the rule to generate anywhere from $228.6 million-$2.46 billion in benefits by preventing an estimated 12,7000 new cases of oral cancer and approximately 2,2000 oral cancer deaths. It is also expected to cost the tobacco industry anywhere from $17.91 million-$42.72 million a year over the next 20 years to comply with the rule.
“The whole idea with the FDA is they wanted the NNN levels to be 1 part per million in the finished product, and with the current technology and the current recipes with these moist smokeless products, there is no way to meet them,” said Joe Cain, director, Commodity Division, Kentucky Farm Bureau. “There is no way to meet those levels right now without changing the formulation.

“Right now, it’s about 70 percent fire cured and about 30 percent air-cured. You would have to reverse those formulations and most likely, it would be a product that people wouldn’t buy; it wouldn’t be a commercially accepted product.”
U.S. Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), former agriculture commissioner of the Bluegrass State, urged the new presidential administration to withdraw the rule. “If finalized, (the rule) will have a devastating economic impact to the farmers and communities in my district,” he said in a letter to President Trump. “FDA’s proposed rule would require a standard … that is technically unachievable.
“Under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, any tobacco product standard established by the FDA must be technically achievable and consider the economic impact to domestic tobacco farmers and tobacco manufacturers.
Agronomic variability, including relative humidity during curing, is the largest contributor to tobacco-specific nitrosamines, including NNN, in tobacco on the farm.
“Because tobacco farmers cannot control changes in the weather, it is not achievable to meet the 1 ppm standard on an annual basis,” he added. “It would be almost impossible for them to continue that if this rule goes into effect,” noted Cain. “This is a really, really devastating standard they would have to meet. Producing tobacco more than just a recipe. This is a tradition that has been handed down for decades.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #251 on: May 25, 2017, 05:23:00 PM »
Yep... they're there... just down below.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #250 on: May 23, 2017, 10:14:00 AM »
scroll the mouse down D Dog, you'll see the quit groups

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #249 on: May 23, 2017, 08:03:00 AM »
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If folks are here and on the fence about posting roll let me just say that the system here works. Jump in and get involved and you may wonder why you waited so long to do so. :)
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How the heck does the system work when there isn't a new quit group past Dec of 2016? I looked here a week ago. I know from past experience the oral fixation is as bad if not worse than the nicotine for me so I bout 20 cans of "other". QUit today when they got here...

So far I am significantly not happy.
Not sure where you're looking where you don't see any 2017 groups. Try Community/Quit Groups

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #248 on: May 22, 2017, 11:08:00 PM »
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If folks are here and on the fence about posting roll let me just say that the system here works. Jump in and get involved and you may wonder why you waited so long to do so. :)
^^^

Dude knows what he's talking about. Get in here folks... you'll be glad you did. Freedom is an amazing thing.
How the heck does the system work when there isn't a new quit group past Dec of 2016? I looked here a week ago. I know from past experience the oral fixation is as bad if not worse than the nicotine for me so I bout 20 cans of "other". QUit today when they got here...

So far I am significantly not happy.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #247 on: May 20, 2017, 11:15:00 AM »
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If folks are here and on the fence about posting roll let me just say that the system here works. Jump in and get involved and you may wonder why you waited so long to do so. :)
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Dude knows what he's talking about. Get in here folks... you'll be glad you did. Freedom is an amazing thing.
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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #246 on: May 19, 2017, 10:05:00 PM »
If folks are here and on the fence about posting roll let me just say that the system here works. Jump in and get involved and you may wonder why you waited so long to do so. :)

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #245 on: May 19, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
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Hey guys, just checking in. 9 months going strong! Proud of myself but I do still have some questions for some experienced quitters. At 9 months in, is unheard of to have pain in my lip and gum still? No lumps, no white spots, no more recession, just pain. Especially when I agitate it with seeds or something else. Should I worry? Or part of the healing still?
Hey lowell-

First, stoked you are quit for 9 months.

Second, "check-ins" and status updates are more common on BookFace. You should consider posting your daily promise not to use nicotine with your quit brethren in November 16. You will get a hell of a lot more support if you engage with others like you, and utilize all this site has to offer.

Third, you are probably still healing, continue to go see your dentist or doctor for your health issues.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #244 on: May 19, 2017, 12:30:00 AM »
Hey guys, just checking in. 9 months going strong! Proud of myself but I do still have some questions for some experienced quitters. At 9 months in, is unheard of to have pain in my lip and gum still? No lumps, no white spots, no more recession, just pain. Especially when I agitate it with seeds or something else. Should I worry? Or part of the healing still?

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #243 on: May 18, 2017, 12:24:00 PM »
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I am on day 43 of quitting and it hasn't really gotten any easier for me. I purchased a can of cope 2 days ago ( I still haven't opened it). I'm really close to caving in, I could use some motivation if anyone is out there. Thanks, Joe.
Hell NO!! Flush that shit right now Joe! She never gave anything to you, she only took from you!! Click on the LIVE CHAT icon, we can help you real time.

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Joe - I hope that you haven't thrown away your 43 days!

Help me understand, why would you make this post asking for help and then not check in to see if anyone responded? All the help in the world is right here, we can help keep you quit. Trust me man, that 40 day mark can be brutal, but it gets so much better, and quicker than you know.

Don't throw away your progress, that can is absolutely not worth your freedom.
Thanks everyone, proud to report I'm at day 44 now without chew. The can is sitting in my desk at home, I will flush it when I'm done at work. Thanks for the support.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #242 on: May 18, 2017, 12:06:00 PM »
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Day 5 of quitting and this is my first post. I suppose I'm cheating a bit, but I've been chewing the nicotine gum, which has helped. I'm only chewing 1 in the morning and then I tough it out until the evening and it helps. Outside of that, I'm productive with brainless tasks, or chores, but I can't focus worth shit on my job.


If you are chewing nic gum you are NOT quit!!! Throw that crap away and really quit. Embrace the suck and it will fade in a few days or a week.
You are just pro-longing the misery!! Throw that crap out!! Cold-turkey is the ONLY way to quit! Get into August and post day 1
Aggie, one way to look at it is that you are not addicted to dip - you are addicted to nicotine. So every time you use the nicotine gum, you are keeping the addiction alive. If you kept that pattern up - you would have to "tough it out" every day...forever. Doesn't sound like a plan, right? The key to breaking the addiction is to get the poison out of your system once and for all and then letting your brain and body rewire itself and heal. The only way to do that is to keep nicotine out of your body. For good. Just one day at a time.

The fog is real. And it takes a while to gain back your focus. I had real issues with it, too. Most everyone does. But if you really want to be free from this poison (and let me tell you - the freedom is wonderful!) you are going to have to start staring down all of this stuff.

But the thing is this: You can do it.

PM me if you need anything.

FLLIP
OK, Now I'm day 2 of quitting the gum. I quit dip on 5/10. stay tuned, but I've been keeping myself busy. So far so good.
Congrats on your second day of quitting!!

Head over to August 2017 group, these folks are going through the same thing as you are!! And we've all been through this before

August 2017

find the roll page, post your name and your promise to not use nicotine today! Then sit back and enjoy the freedom!! And drink lots of water!
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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #241 on: May 18, 2017, 11:19:00 AM »
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'bang head'
Day 5 of quitting and this is my first post. I suppose I'm cheating a bit, but I've been chewing the nicotine gum, which has helped. I'm only chewing 1 in the morning and then I tough it out until the evening and it helps. Outside of that, I'm productive with brainless tasks, or chores, but I can't focus worth shit on my job.


If you are chewing nic gum you are NOT quit!!! Throw that crap away and really quit. Embrace the suck and it will fade in a few days or a week.
You are just pro-longing the misery!! Throw that crap out!! Cold-turkey is the ONLY way to quit! Get into August and post day 1
Aggie, one way to look at it is that you are not addicted to dip - you are addicted to nicotine. So every time you use the nicotine gum, you are keeping the addiction alive. If you kept that pattern up - you would have to "tough it out" every day...forever. Doesn't sound like a plan, right? The key to breaking the addiction is to get the poison out of your system once and for all and then letting your brain and body rewire itself and heal. The only way to do that is to keep nicotine out of your body. For good. Just one day at a time.

The fog is real. And it takes a while to gain back your focus. I had real issues with it, too. Most everyone does. But if you really want to be free from this poison (and let me tell you - the freedom is wonderful!) you are going to have to start staring down all of this stuff.

But the thing is this: You can do it.

PM me if you need anything.

FLLIP
OK, Now I'm day 2 of quitting the gum. I quit dip on 5/10. stay tuned, but I've been keeping myself busy. So far so good.

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #240 on: May 18, 2017, 10:46:00 AM »
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I am on day 43 of quitting and it hasn't really gotten any easier for me. I purchased a can of cope 2 days ago ( I still haven't opened it). I'm really close to caving in, I could use some motivation if anyone is out there. Thanks, Joe.
Hell NO!! Flush that shit right now Joe! She never gave anything to you, she only took from you!! Click on the LIVE CHAT icon, we can help you real time.

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Hey, how about googling an image of mouth cancer caused by tobacco. print it, cut it out, keep it in your wallet. One's been in my wallet for 641 days. Flush that shit is right, you're an addict, So am I, so is PMILS. But the difference between us and you Joe- we're not slaves to the can anymore. KTC has set us free.

So flush that shit, join a quit group here, be a leader, get active, exchange phone numbers with others in your group and get some accountability, and brotherhood, they will lead to success. 30,000 member strong baby!

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Re: General Discussion - 2017
« Reply #239 on: May 18, 2017, 10:25:00 AM »
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I am on day 43 of quitting and it hasn't really gotten any easier for me. I purchased a can of cope 2 days ago ( I still haven't opened it). I'm really close to caving in, I could use some motivation if anyone is out there. Thanks, Joe.
Hell NO!! Flush that shit right now Joe! She never gave anything to you, she only took from you!! Click on the LIVE CHAT icon, we can help you real time.

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Joe - I hope that you haven't thrown away your 43 days!

Help me understand, why would you make this post asking for help and then not check in to see if anyone responded? All the help in the world is right here, we can help keep you quit. Trust me man, that 40 day mark can be brutal, but it gets so much better, and quicker than you know.

Don't throw away your progress, that can is absolutely not worth your freedom.