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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2014, 02:40:00 PM »
Another message brought to you by Mr. C's Knowledge Emporium, where the facts flow like the morning after taco bell and cheap beer.

Frying bacon, nude. Not the smartest move, but good advice none the less. But it made me think about one of the most influential thinkers of all time, Sir Francis Bacon.

The third president, Thomas Jefferson is quoted as saying Bacon, Newton, and Locke are the three most influential thinkers of all time. This Bacon was responsible for the foundation of the modern scientific methodogoly. The emperical methodology which he created is the foundation of the philosophical beliefs that are founding fathers believed deeply in, and is reflected in the Federalist papers.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #54 on: August 24, 2014, 02:39:00 PM »
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Did anyone see what happened in Ferguson, MO (St. Louis suburb) last night? Those fuckers burnt down a QT! Mob mentality is an ugly thing.
I did not partly because my part of NC is a little behind the times.... we don't get Monday night football until Wednesday
LOL. Just google Ferguson, MO riot
what is this world coming too?
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The question asked is "what is this world coming to?" Well the answer is quite simple: chaos.

In the scientific measure of course. The term is entropy, the measure of disorder. The thrid law of thermodynamics states "all systems sponatously moves to disorder." That means to make something ordered it requires a massive amount of energy to over come the force of disorder. No matter how hard we try and make the system (system is defined as what we are studying) behave in a certain way it will always regress to disorder, because it requires less energy.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2014, 02:37:00 PM »
In response to a august 11, 2014 October convo about the use of language:
Since it seems that I dropping knowledge bombs like tony romo loves the huddle, here is another one.

Let's look at the etymology of some of the afore mentioned words. We will start with gay, in no particular order

- gay: is first reported used in the 14th century in the context of stately and beautiful. However in the 1890's it was reported that it was used to describe promiscuity. How ever the current usage of the term gay, can be traced back to somewhere between 1920 to the late 40's appearing in everything from references of male hobos to psychological journals. If we fast forward 60 years, it took on a new meaning of bad or inferior.

- fag: the origin of this word is not easily traced. Some believe that it is from the term faggot, a bundle of sticks, and in 15th c Europe it was used to describe heretics while burned at the stake. While other believes that it comes from the 1880s English slang for the butt of a smoke cigarette.

- bitch: the earliest reference is from the Norse, in about 14 c, bikkjuna, female dog, wolf, or fox of unknown origin. But there are written records of the term being used to describe males, also. In 1811 the dictionary defined the term as "the most offensive appellation that can be given to an English woman, even more provoking than that of a whore".

Let us know of what we speak before we fly off the proverbial handle. Many words have multiple meanings and origins. It is in how you, the reader, choose to define the word. If I walked into a room, and asked 100 people to define "cool" how many would define it the exact same way? I would say not a one.

So take a step back and look at why and how those terms where used. If the PERSON has a problem with the term it should be they who lodge the complaint. I often hear this double tongued speak in the hallways of you schools. A black student can use the term n****** towards another black male! However at the same time if a student of another skin color uses the term it is offensive. The double standard can not exist, either you have a problem with the term over all, or you don't.

But at the end of the day here, we are amongst adults, who understand that what one says or writes may not be understood or liked by those that read it. But you have the choice here to read and move on, or respond. If you are finding it offensive, you have every right to, but we also have every right to express our thoughts, even if they contradict yours.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2014, 02:35:00 PM »
The sad part is since the dawn of the nuclear age, we have no way of measuring the amount of radio isotope present in the environment. Prior to that we could make the assumption that the amount of radioactive material in the environment was constant.
Today it is our knowledge of carbon -14 radioactive, that make MRI's possible. Prior 1945, Carbon14 was only a by-product of the ionizing energy coming through the outer atmosphere interacting with nitrogen-14 making a electron collide with a proton making a neutron, but the release of nuclear material added additional carbon 14 to the anthrosphere, hence it can no longer be assumed constant. However the assumption of constant carbon 14 concentration is only necessary in dating material, and has no bearing on the isotopes ability to resopned in a magnetic field. (MRI).
In case you wanted to know.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2014, 01:18:00 PM »
I have enjoyed reading this sir. You have strengthened my resolve to be quit. I am in this battle with you daily. I like what I am reading here. Im learning as I go. Thank you

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #50 on: August 24, 2014, 12:59:00 PM »
Chatting this morning with a newb, here are some things I have noticed about young quitters.It is good that they have realized that they need to change and quit.They all seem to fall into one of two catagories:
  • They aren't 100% committed because they don't realize what it takes.
  • They are balls to the wall and miss important steps and signs, along the way.
The sum of the parts equals the whole. Sounds easy but think about it in terms of your quit. Each part of who you are has become dependant on nic. So removing one part, yes it is necessary but we need to examine the effect on all other parts of the whole. So as we all relearn to become whole again it is not possible unless we completely deconstruct ourselves and start from the ground up.

The vets tell you be careful about drinking, why because it is an assoitated behavior. I drink therefore I want a dip. Or, I drink coffee I have a smoke. It is one and the sam. We need to figure put who we are with out all addictive substances in our system, ground zero if you will. Then start from that point.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2014, 01:46:00 PM »
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I felt that I should share this thought here.

I have very few friends that I communicate with on a regular basis. That is for a variety of reasons, such as I don't like going out and drinking like I am 21, or they are still single, or don't have kids, or a career that they have to be up at 5:30 am and interacting with 30 + people at 7:00 am. Which is fine, but I also have not made the attempt to try and expand my circle of "friends".

This means I have stunted my own social growth to those that I have felt comfortable with and not changed the habits of socialization. But this is why a place like this is important. It is about changing habits and routines to become a different person than you were the day before.

Quitting is about change ALL OF WHO YOU ARE. If you don't begin to address these issues you will at some point revert back to what is comfortable all because it is habit. Change and learning are the same thing. When you change some thing, you are learning how to deal with the new, and it is uncomfortable. The discomfort is a sign you are doing it right.

Right now I am trying to deal with the fact I have more social interaction here online, or in Kakao than I do in real life. I could not do this alone and with out the support of the active members. But this introvertedness has been building long before the quit, and now I am ready to address this problem head on.

So I am expressing this fact in hopes that it gets to some of the less active Titian's to see that we are just as messed up as them, and have used tobacco to cover flaws, or hide feeling and emotions.
Enjoying your perspective Candoit. It's not just about quitting nicotine, it's about changing who we are for the better. Quit with you all day every day. Keep up the solid quit.
In the walking dead, rick asks anybody accompanying him and his group three questions:

How many walkers have you killed?
How many people have you killed?
Why?

These questions are to shed truth on competency, morality, and communication skills. We have our own version of these three questions, but maybe there should be 3 we should ask ourselves as well:

How many numbers do you have?

How many have you used today?

Why?

One answers how competent we are in our quit. One answers how many quits we've strengthened today (including ours). And the other, well...it just gets down for the reason we are here.

Good stuff man.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2014, 01:33:00 PM »
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I felt that I should share this thought here.

I have very few friends that I communicate with on a regular basis. That is for a variety of reasons, such as I don't like going out and drinking like I am 21, or they are still single, or don't have kids, or a career that they have to be up at 5:30 am and interacting with 30 + people at 7:00 am. Which is fine, but I also have not made the attempt to try and expand my circle of "friends".

This means I have stunted my own social growth to those that I have felt comfortable with and not changed the habits of socialization. But this is why a place like this is important. It is about changing habits and routines to become a different person than you were the day before.

Quitting is about change ALL OF WHO YOU ARE. If you don't begin to address these issues you will at some point revert back to what is comfortable all because it is habit. Change and learning are the same thing. When you change some thing, you are learning how to deal with the new, and it is uncomfortable. The discomfort is a sign you are doing it right.

Right now I am trying to deal with the fact I have more social interaction here online, or in Kakao than I do in real life. I could not do this alone and with out the support of the active members. But this introvertedness has been building long before the quit, and now I am ready to address this problem head on.

So I am expressing this fact in hopes that it gets to some of the less active Titian's to see that we are just as messed up as them, and have used tobacco to cover flaws, or hide feeling and emotions.
Enjoying your perspective Candoit. It's not just about quitting nicotine, it's about changing who we are for the better. Quit with you all day every day. Keep up the solid quit.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2014, 01:23:00 PM »
I felt that I should share this thought here.

I have very few friends that I communicate with on a regular basis. That is for a variety of reasons, such as I don't like going out and drinking like I am 21, or they are still single, or don't have kids, or a career that they have to be up at 5:30 am and interacting with 30 + people at 7:00 am. Which is fine, but I also have not made the attempt to try and expand my circle of "friends".

This means I have stunted my own social growth to those that I have felt comfortable with and not changed the habits of socialization. But this is why a place like this is important. It is about changing habits and routines to become a different person than you were the day before.

Quitting is about change ALL OF WHO YOU ARE. If you don't begin to address these issues you will at some point revert back to what is comfortable all because it is habit. Change and learning are the same thing. When you change some thing, you are learning how to deal with the new, and it is uncomfortable. The discomfort is a sign you are doing it right.

Right now I am trying to deal with the fact I have more social interaction here online, or in Kakao than I do in real life. I could not do this alone and with out the support of the active members. But this introvertedness has been building long before the quit, and now I am ready to address this problem head on.

So I am expressing this fact in hopes that it gets to some of the less active Titian's to see that we are just as messed up as them, and have used tobacco to cover flaws, or hide feeling and emotions.
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

My journey. The best part it is not over yet.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2014, 05:02:00 PM »
Great discussion

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2014, 03:48:00 PM »
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I have had a tough week, but as I think about what it means to be a quitter and the strength it takes, holy guacamole batman! This is a crazy ride. My wife called me a woman because of the emotional component of the quit. I am having serious ups and downs, i just wish there was a middle. But I cannot wish, because wishing does not fix problems actions fix problems.

I need to begin taking action and not make excuses or wishes to feel better about myself or my work. If the past 30 days has taught me something, it is that quitting is not work, it is a culture shock. It is retraining every part of your system to do with out. It is like know that you are going to fast everyday until you die. For ENAV that is like ordering every meal from Popeye's

But it is the others that you found by circumstance that make the quit possible. We ended up by luck to find each other in October quitters. But it is not all "quitters" that I will say luck or good fortune. Those that use this as a place holder for their quit days. I just think that is bullshit, like calling in sober to AA from the bar. I look at those days they are claiming to be can free. IMO do not deserve to put those number next to their names. That is a right and priviledge to post here, and it should not taken lightly.
Welcome to your quit, honey.

I'll do your hair if you do mine. Deal? We can listen to the Bieber CD...

You will settle. Nicotine is a helluva drug that messed us up more than we realized. Hell, I can't tell you how many times I went from :DQ: to ;Ironman: initially, but it was a lot. You're doing this man, and it's fucking awesome to watch.
Funny, second intro in a row about excessive emotion in a quit. Made me think about a time in my quit when I felt no emotion about anything for a couple weeks. That sucked worse than raging and crying. Might be a funk, might be life, but either way just keep quitting and it will be alright. QLF with you all day!
Candoit, I really liked reading this latest discussion. I for sure am more emotional since quitting. Its a good thing I think. It means we are living clean. I know I was flatlined emotionally when I was using. Just plodding along waiting for my next fix. Now life has more meaning and feelings. Keep it up, you are doing great!

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2014, 09:21:00 AM »
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I have had a tough week, but as I think about what it means to be a quitter and the strength it takes, holy guacamole batman! This is a crazy ride. My wife called me a woman because of the emotional component of the quit. I am having serious ups and downs, i just wish there was a middle. But I cannot wish, because wishing does not fix problems actions fix problems.

I need to begin taking action and not make excuses or wishes to feel better about myself or my work. If the past 30 days has taught me something, it is that quitting is not work, it is a culture shock. It is retraining every part of your system to do with out. It is like know that you are going to fast everyday until you die. For ENAV that is like ordering every meal from Popeye's

But it is the others that you found by circumstance that make the quit possible. We ended up by luck to find each other in October quitters. But it is not all "quitters" that I will say luck or good fortune. Those that use this as a place holder for their quit days. I just think that is bullshit, like calling in sober to AA from the bar. I look at those days they are claiming to be can free. IMO do not deserve to put those number next to their names. That is a right and priviledge to post here, and it should not taken lightly.
Welcome to your quit, honey.

I'll do your hair if you do mine. Deal? We can listen to the Bieber CD...

You will settle. Nicotine is a helluva drug that messed us up more than we realized. Hell, I can't tell you how many times I went from :DQ: to ;Ironman: initially, but it was a lot. You're doing this man, and it's fucking awesome to watch.
Funny, second intro in a row about excessive emotion in a quit. Made me think about a time in my quit when I felt no emotion about anything for a couple weeks. That sucked worse than raging and crying. Might be a funk, might be life, but either way just keep quitting and it will be alright. QLF with you all day!

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2014, 08:46:00 AM »
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I have had a tough week, but as I think about what it means to be a quitter and the strength it takes, holy guacamole batman! This is a crazy ride. My wife called me a woman because of the emotional component of the quit. I am having serious ups and downs, i just wish there was a middle. But I cannot wish, because wishing does not fix problems actions fix problems.

I need to begin taking action and not make excuses or wishes to feel better about myself or my work. If the past 30 days has taught me something, it is that quitting is not work, it is a culture shock. It is retraining every part of your system to do with out. It is like know that you are going to fast everyday until you die. For ENAV that is like ordering every meal from Popeye's

But it is the others that you found by circumstance that make the quit possible. We ended up by luck to find each other in October quitters. But it is not all "quitters" that I will say luck or good fortune. Those that use this as a place holder for their quit days. I just think that is bullshit, like calling in sober to AA from the bar. I look at those days they are claiming to be can free. IMO do not deserve to put those number next to their names. That is a right and priviledge to post here, and it should not taken lightly.
You are killing it bud, and I speak for everyone when I say we're glad you're here. Very true on the dudes using KTC as a "day counter". They exist in every group. They also are the first to either: 1) Cave ... 2) hit HOF and bail ... 3) hit HOF, bail, cave and come back later with tail tucked.

How can you tell if a guy is worth it? You don't ... he tells you through his actions. Stay strong, stay involved, stay quit. Attendance isn't everything, brotherhood and accountability is (are?). You "get it"!

Quit with you EDD! See you on roll ...
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2014, 12:15:00 AM »
Quote from: candoit
I have had a tough week, but as I think about what it means to be a quitter and the strength it takes, holy guacamole batman! This is a crazy ride. My wife called me a woman because of the emotional component of the quit. I am having serious ups and downs, i just wish there was a middle. But I cannot wish, because wishing does not fix problems actions fix problems.

I need to begin taking action and not make excuses or wishes to feel better about myself or my work. If the past 30 days has taught me something, it is that quitting is not work, it is a culture shock. It is retraining every part of your system to do with out. It is like know that you are going to fast everyday until you die. For ENAV that is like ordering every meal from Popeye's

But it is the others that you found by circumstance that make the quit possible. We ended up by luck to find each other in October quitters. But it is not all "quitters" that I will say luck or good fortune. Those that use this as a place holder for their quit days. I just think that is bullshit, like calling in sober to AA from the bar. I look at those days they are claiming to be can free. IMO do not deserve to put those number next to their names. That is a right and priviledge to post here, and it should not taken lightly.
Welcome to your quit, honey.

I'll do your hair if you do mine. Deal? We can listen to the Bieber CD...

You will settle. Nicotine is a helluva drug that messed us up more than we realized. Hell, I can't tell you how many times I went from :DQ: to ;Ironman: initially, but it was a lot. You're doing this man, and it's fucking awesome to watch.
In the end I Surrender, I and I alone accept that I have and always will have a Nicotene ADDICTION. It is my choice to quit, but I can't do it alone. I get to go down this path one time, I want to do it right. I recognize that my word, my integrety to you is on the line and is only as good as my actions. Caving is not an option in this plan-Eafman 7/11

I am not cured. I will quit one day at a time. I will continue to do what works. Posting roll everyday. To do otherwise would be foolish on my part. You can do this-Ready 12/11

To overcome your addiction you must comprehend what it means to fail-Razd 3/12

Theres a lot of people that come here, especially vets, that WANT to be reminded that they are addicts.-Tarpon 6/12

Just as a building starts with architectural drawings. Your daily quit begins with a promise.-Scowick 2/13

Here and now, focused on today, minute by minute, whatever it takes, I promise to all my bros and myself not to become a negative stat and stay quit!-krok 1/15

I want everyone to be quit. Even the assholes.-Probe1957 1/18

Ignoring history or erasing history fixes nothing and leads you inevitably down the same path.-69franx 04/30/2021

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2014, 11:05:00 PM »
I have had a tough week, but as I think about what it means to be a quitter and the strength it takes, holy guacamole batman! This is a crazy ride. My wife called me a woman because of the emotional component of the quit. I am having serious ups and downs, i just wish there was a middle. But I cannot wish, because wishing does not fix problems actions fix problems.

I need to begin taking action and not make excuses or wishes to feel better about myself or my work. If the past 30 days has taught me something, it is that quitting is not work, it is a culture shock. It is retraining every part of your system to do with out. It is like know that you are going to fast everyday until you die. For ENAV that is like ordering every meal from Popeye's

But it is the others that you found by circumstance that make the quit possible. We ended up by luck to find each other in October quitters. But it is not all "quitters" that I will say luck or good fortune. Those that use this as a place holder for their quit days. I just think that is bullshit, like calling in sober to AA from the bar. I look at those days they are claiming to be can free. IMO do not deserve to put those number next to their names. That is a right and priviledge to post here, and it should not taken lightly.
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

My journey. The best part it is not over yet.