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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #406 on: April 21, 2016, 02:29:00 PM »
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We own who we are, we do not ask to be judged, we do not turn away those who seek the support, we hold those accountable for their actions, like they requested by becoming a member.

Life is about choices, I made the choice to quit, and I will make that choice to quit every single minute of the rest of my life. Why because I choose to pick up a tin, instead of cigarettes. That is the choice I made 11 years ago. I am enough of a fucking man to stand by my choices, and ask for support. I am not asking for forgiveness for my own bad choices, I am seeking to forgive myself.

When you rush to the defense of those who broke the KTC law, it insults everyone that follows the law. This does not work because it contains shades of gray in which the weak, feabable minded people can hide behind broken promises to say to the world I am a member, therefore I am doing something to quit. This is built on the premise that it is black and white. Either the nic bitch is bending you over her knee and spanking you like the NY Giants do every time they play the pats, or your spanking the nic bitch like Regan spanked the Cremlin.

Do me a favor and save your sunshine, and rainbow bullshit for someone that believes your cheese whiz ass smells like roses. I know I used a lot of big words and accurate historical facts that will not be believed or validated by Wikipedia or yahoo questions. I may be a quitter but I can think for myself. Do you know what that makes me? A fucking Titan of Quit.
Damn I was angry, still feel the same way, though. Thinking about what it takes to quit and how much effort at times this takes. This sure as hell is easier now than, back then. But it still requires effort and commitment. Cheesewhiz ass roflmao
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #405 on: April 20, 2016, 04:01:00 PM »
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We own who we are, we do not ask to be judged, we do not turn away those who seek the support, we hold those accountable for their actions, like they requested by becoming a member.

Life is about choices, I made the choice to quit, and I will make that choice to quit every single minute of the rest of my life. Why because I choose to pick up a tin, instead of cigarettes. That is the choice I made 11 years ago. I am enough of a fucking man to stand by my choices, and ask for support. I am not asking for forgiveness for my own bad choices, I am seeking to forgive myself.

When you rush to the defense of those who broke the KTC law, it insults everyone that follows the law. This does not work because it contains shades of gray in which the weak, feabable minded people can hide behind broken promises to say to the world I am a member, therefore I am doing something to quit. This is built on the premise that it is black and white. Either the nic bitch is bending you over her knee and spanking you like the NY Giants do every time they play the pats, or your spanking the nic bitch like Regan spanked the Cremlin.

Do me a favor and save your sunshine, and rainbow bullshit for someone that believes your cheese whiz ass smells like roses. I know I used a lot of big words and accurate historical facts that will not be believed or validated by Wikipedia or yahoo questions. I may be a quitter but I can think for myself. Do you know what that makes me? A fucking Titan of Quit.
Damn I was angry, still feel the same way, though. Thinking about what it takes to quit and how much effort at times this takes. This sure as hell is easier now than, back then. But it still requires effort and commitment. Cheesewhiz ass roflmao
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #404 on: April 18, 2016, 12:37:00 AM »
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Tomorrow will be my 630th +1. Thats 90 weeks. I find it so hard to believe that 90 weeks have passed. My life has dramtically changed. I know its for the better.

One thing that really crystalized for me tonight was that, helping others helps me, but it doesnt always provide the level of return on accountibility I need. Accountibility has changed what it looks like and how it is delievered, but at its core it remains the same. A person willing to drag my ass back in here no matter what to face the consuqences of my actions. A person willing to step between me and the exit, no matter what. To do that it takes massive respect and belief in a person to do that.

We do the same to a caver, we need to pruse our brothers with the same verver.
You arnt going anywhere.....
Promise you that.
Good news about your dad.
Congrats on 90 weeks.
ALL DAY LONG.
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congrats on your 90 weeks!! Thanks for being there for me always, even when I didn't need it.. (I always needed it, just didn't always know it! hahaha)
I am glad to look up to you CandyMan, glad I found this place, glad I stopped trying to slowkill myself. I support your fights and your quit.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #403 on: April 12, 2016, 11:45:00 AM »
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Tomorrow will be my 630th +1. Thats 90 weeks. I find it so hard to believe that 90 weeks have passed. My life has dramtically changed. I know its for the better.

One thing that really crystalized for me tonight was that, helping others helps me, but it doesnt always provide the level of return on accountibility I need. Accountibility has changed what it looks like and how it is delievered, but at its core it remains the same. A person willing to drag my ass back in here no matter what to face the consuqences of my actions. A person willing to step between me and the exit, no matter what. To do that it takes massive respect and belief in a person to do that.

We do the same to a caver, we need to pruse our brothers with the same verver.
You arnt going anywhere.....
Promise you that.
Good news about your dad.
Congrats on 90 weeks.
ALL DAY LONG.
Rawls 511
congrats on your 90 weeks!! Thanks for being there for me always, even when I didn't need it.. (I always needed it, just didn't always know it! hahaha)
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #402 on: April 11, 2016, 11:03:00 PM »
Quote from: Candoit
Tomorrow will be my 630th +1. Thats 90 weeks. I find it so hard to believe that 90 weeks have passed. My life has dramtically changed. I know its for the better.

One thing that really crystalized for me tonight was that, helping others helps me, but it doesnt always provide the level of return on accountibility I need. Accountibility has changed what it looks like and how it is delievered, but at its core it remains the same. A person willing to drag my ass back in here no matter what to face the consuqences of my actions. A person willing to step between me and the exit, no matter what. To do that it takes massive respect and belief in a person to do that.

We do the same to a caver, we need to pruse our brothers with the same verver.
You arnt going anywhere.....
Promise you that.
Good news about your dad.
Congrats on 90 weeks.
ALL DAY LONG.
Rawls 511
I believe.....

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #401 on: April 11, 2016, 10:53:00 PM »
Tomorrow will be my 630th +1. Thats 90 weeks. I find it so hard to believe that 90 weeks have passed. My life has dramtically changed. I know its for the better.

One thing that really crystalized for me tonight was that, helping others helps me, but it doesnt always provide the level of return on accountibility I need. Accountibility has changed what it looks like and how it is delievered, but at its core it remains the same. A person willing to drag my ass back in here no matter what to face the consuqences of my actions. A person willing to step between me and the exit, no matter what. To do that it takes massive respect and belief in a person to do that.

We do the same to a caver, we need to pruse our brothers with the same verver.
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

My journey. The best part it is not over yet.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #400 on: March 18, 2016, 08:59:00 PM »
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So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
Hang in there and prayers do help
Prayers with you candi.
Thinking of you, man.
Update on my father.

They removed the scar tissue that was causing the bloackage in his GI tract. It was not sent to pathology, because it showed no signs of cancer. He still is in step down unit, no food, but sitting up and joking. So all good signs.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers.
That is good to hear Cando. Hang in there bro!

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #399 on: March 18, 2016, 08:32:00 PM »
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Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: tjschu
Quote from: Candoit
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
Hang in there and prayers do help
Prayers with you candi.
Thinking of you, man.
Update on my father.

They removed the scar tissue that was causing the bloackage in his GI tract. It was not sent to pathology, because it showed no signs of cancer. He still is in step down unit, no food, but sitting up and joking. So all good signs.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers.
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

My journey. The best part it is not over yet.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #398 on: March 18, 2016, 06:20:00 PM »
Quote from: ChickDip
Quote from: pab1964
Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: tjschu
Quote from: Candoit
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
Hang in there and prayers do help
Prayers with you candi.
Thinking of you, man.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #397 on: March 18, 2016, 01:07:00 AM »
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Quote from: Cope30
Quote from: tjschu
Quote from: Candoit
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
Hang in there and prayers do help
Prayers with you candi.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #396 on: March 17, 2016, 11:59:00 PM »
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Quote from: tjschu
Quote from: Candoit
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
Hang in there and prayers do help
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #395 on: March 17, 2016, 07:45:00 PM »
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Quote from: Candoit
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!
Prayers my brother.
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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #394 on: March 17, 2016, 05:03:00 AM »
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So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
Glad to hear all seems to have gone well for your dad. At least now you can formulate a plan in the event any of those things happen. Maybe FMLA in the event you need to miss work? You are right though nicotine wouldn't do a thing to help your situation. Continued prayers for your dad!

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #393 on: March 16, 2016, 04:39:00 PM »
So, got a call at 9:30 that he was going in for exploratory surgery. This has been a worry for a long time. He lost 3 ft of small intestine in '88. In that event he no longer has ab muscles. So in '05 the mesh let the instentine move and knot up. They did the same thing used the NT tube, remove the bile, and he was fine. This time it isnt getting any better. Took him in for surgey about 1:30 pm.

I just spoke to the drs asst. He just got out of surgery. Removed alot of scar tissue and everything looks to be good. They did not send any to pathology because there isnt any signs that it was a cancerous growth. He will be in recovery until at least 7 tonight.

I am relieved at this outcome, but it also made me realize that I dont have a plan for alot of things. Like money coming in if I have to miss work or what is going to happen to my mother, if she out lives him. I need to hold a meeting of the mindless to figure this shit out.
There are no circumstances in which using nicotine will improve the outcome.

My journey. The best part it is not over yet.

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Re: this time is for real
« Reply #392 on: March 16, 2016, 03:40:00 PM »
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My Dad was admitted last night to the hospital with a blocked intensine. Of course my mother, not wanting to worry me, tells me at 11 pm, via text. When I go down in the morning to visit, she doesnt know his room number, because she doesnt know which hospital he is at. Why? Beacuse fukn Yale owns both hospitals in New Haven, "oh, he will be where ever we have room." Yeah great that helps. According to her, he will be out tonight. Nope he is going to be in for at least the next 48 hours. So, getting ready to leave work, now. Stressed yes, but nic free.

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Prayers for your dad my brother.
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