Here I go again, tomorrow is the last first day.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

You are badass. Determined. Dedicated. Loyal. And, an inspiration. I love your quit.

Thanks Ginet. It's because of badasses like yourself that I am where I am.

Raider,
Everything you wrote (except for the gall bladder thing) is me to a T!
I couldn't focus on shit the first year except keeping dip out of my mouth. Now that I am more comfortable in my quit (not Complacent), I am turning my attention more on losing weight and getting in shape again. For me, cutting way back on the drinking is key for me. When I drink, I eat potato chips, not broccoli!

Raider, I am glad you are making some positive changes in addition to quitting nicotine and chew.
I think when you a start making small (and big) positive changes more will follow shortly.
Proud to you quit with you!

Thanks for being a badass quitter. It is appreciated.

[Idaho Spuds]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

You are badass. Determined. Dedicated. Loyal. And, an inspiration. I love your quit.

Thanks Ginet. It's because of badasses like yourself that I am where I am.

Raider,
Everything you wrote (except for the gall bladder thing) is me to a T!
I couldn't focus on shit the first year except keeping dip out of my mouth. Now that I am more comfortable in my quit (not Complacent), I am turning my attention more on losing weight and getting in shape again. For me, cutting way back on the drinking is key for me. When I drink, I eat potato chips, not broccoli!

Raider, I am glad you are making some positive changes in addition to quitting nicotine and chew.
I think when you a start making small (and big) positive changes more will follow shortly.
Proud to you quit with you!

[rdad]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

You are badass. Determined. Dedicated. Loyal. And, an inspiration. I love your quit.

Thanks Ginet. It's because of badasses like yourself that I am where I am.

Raider,
Everything you wrote (except for the gall bladder thing) is me to a T!
I couldn't focus on shit the first year except keeping dip out of my mouth. Now that I am more comfortable in my quit (not Complacent), I am turning my attention more on losing weight and getting in shape again. For me, cutting way back on the drinking is key for me. When I drink, I eat potato chips, not broccoli!

[Raider]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

You are badass. Determined. Dedicated. Loyal. And, an inspiration. I love your quit.

Thanks Ginet. It's because of badasses like yourself that I am where I am.

[Ginet]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

You are badass. Determined. Dedicated. Loyal. And, an inspiration. I love your quit.

[Raider]

As I near day 300 I think about some improvements made in my life lately and other areas where I have not done so well. Stopping the use of Nicotine was a huge step in self improvement but there were other areas in my life that needed improving too. Quitting nicotine has scared to living crap out of me. While using I rarely worried about cancer but since quitting it seems to be on my mind all the time. I honestly believe that being scared helps me stay quit. A pimple show up and I wonder what if? I have had more dentists in my mouth in the last 300 days than I ever had (1 abscess and 2 root canals with full gold crowns). Why in the hell did we (all us addicts) think that using tobacco products was a good idea? I know many of us started at a young age and thought that we could quit anytime we wanted. Then I think of how I came to this site. I thank God on a daily basis that I was directed to KTC where I could begin a new life as a quitter. I thank God for all my brothers and sisters in here that help keep me motivated. I also thank God for the cavers because I know by seeing failures it helps me stay in control of my life. Kicking nicotine out of my life has become a new daily hobby that gets easier every day. I rarely get craves but the nic bitch does show up at my door occasionally but telling her to eff off has gotten pretty easy.

My involvement on the site has had its ups and downs. Some dayÂ’s all I have the strength for is to post roll and disappear. Some days I am able to spend time in chat and some days I am not. Strolling through the Intro lounge is also sometimes a bit intermittent. There are many guys and gals on here that spend a lot of time on here and for that I applaud you. I do what I can, when I can and am currently trying to do better by posting support more often.

Now on to other areas I am working on or need to work on.
I used to drink pretty heavily, not getting drunk drinking but still drinking way too much. It was nothing for me to down 4 or 5 beers and maybe a mixed drink or two. When we decided to cut down on Diet Pepsi my hard liquor consumption went down. A half gallon bottle of Jack Daniels would last me about 3 weeks. When the DP was limited, so was the JD. My half gallon bottle started lasting 5 to 6 weeks. I always enjoyed a shot with a beer. As I neared the age of 50 my desire to drink hard liquor diminished. Sure I still enjoy a shot every now and then but as of today, it has been about 3 weeks since I had any hard liquor and my beer consumption has come down as well.

Now that I feel like I have my alcohol consumption under control my next area to address is my weight. I have had issues with my weight since I had some major abdominal surgery about 22 years ago. Due to some complications with having my Gall Bladder removed, I also have a nice 12 inch scar going right down the middle of my stomach plus a few others. That being said, my weight has been hard to control because of all the scar tissue (sounds like I am making excuses right)? Well I guess I am because when I was on Weight Watchers I had myself down to about 220 lbs. I am currently running about 260 and really need to get myself back down to 220 again, for me. My family will benefit from my weight loss too but that is secondary. Time to get to work on that.
I will end up by saying that I am damn glad to be quit with you all and Thank you all for your support.

[Raider]

11 months ago I had an appointment with a dentist to have a crown done. I had on onlay that was installed back in 1983 and it finally failed. At the time my normal process was to not dip the day of my appointment only to reward myself for being a good patient afterwards. That appointment was no different. After I had my temporary crown done I hopped into my truck, grabbed a can, and packed one in.

Today was different. Although I have been to the dentist MANY times since my visit 11 months ago (2 cleanings, abscess, and 2 root canals), this one felt like I made a major accomplishment. Today I had another new crown installed (2 weeks ago they did the crown prep and root canal). I attribute many things to my poor teeth health. We do not have fluoride in our water, never a good flosser, way too much soda (ascorbic acid) and dipping. My accomplishment today was this, after I left the dentist office, the first thing I thought of was how nice it was to NOT want to have a dip. The thought of packing one in never crossed my mind but the thought of the freedom I have earned over the past 259 days did cross my mind. It feels great to be free from nicotine.

I am damn glad to be quit with all of you today.

Nice win!

Great work Raider!

Keep quitting Raider. Keep winning. It still gets better than this

It's already awesome and you say it gets better ? I'm sticking around for that.

[Mogul]

11 months ago I had an appointment with a dentist to have a crown done. I had on onlay that was installed back in 1983 and it finally failed. At the time my normal process was to not dip the day of my appointment only to reward myself for being a good patient afterwards. That appointment was no different. After I had my temporary crown done I hopped into my truck, grabbed a can, and packed one in.

Today was different. Although I have been to the dentist MANY times since my visit 11 months ago (2 cleanings, abscess, and 2 root canals), this one felt like I made a major accomplishment. Today I had another new crown installed (2 weeks ago they did the crown prep and root canal). I attribute many things to my poor teeth health. We do not have fluoride in our water, never a good flosser, way too much soda (ascorbic acid) and dipping. My accomplishment today was this, after I left the dentist office, the first thing I thought of was how nice it was to NOT want to have a dip. The thought of packing one in never crossed my mind but the thought of the freedom I have earned over the past 259 days did cross my mind. It feels great to be free from nicotine.

I am damn glad to be quit with all of you today.

Nice win!

Great work Raider!

Keep quitting Raider. Keep winning. It still gets better than this

[Idaho Spuds]

11 months ago I had an appointment with a dentist to have a crown done. I had on onlay that was installed back in 1983 and it finally failed. At the time my normal process was to not dip the day of my appointment only to reward myself for being a good patient afterwards. That appointment was no different. After I had my temporary crown done I hopped into my truck, grabbed a can, and packed one in.

Today was different. Although I have been to the dentist MANY times since my visit 11 months ago (2 cleanings, abscess, and 2 root canals), this one felt like I made a major accomplishment. Today I had another new crown installed (2 weeks ago they did the crown prep and root canal). I attribute many things to my poor teeth health. We do not have fluoride in our water, never a good flosser, way too much soda (ascorbic acid) and dipping. My accomplishment today was this, after I left the dentist office, the first thing I thought of was how nice it was to NOT want to have a dip. The thought of packing one in never crossed my mind but the thought of the freedom I have earned over the past 259 days did cross my mind. It feels great to be free from nicotine.

I am damn glad to be quit with all of you today.

Nice win!

Great work Raider!

[Nolaq]

11 months ago I had an appointment with a dentist to have a crown done. I had on onlay that was installed back in 1983 and it finally failed. At the time my normal process was to not dip the day of my appointment only to reward myself for being a good patient afterwards. That appointment was no different. After I had my temporary crown done I hopped into my truck, grabbed a can, and packed one in.

Today was different. Although I have been to the dentist MANY times since my visit 11 months ago (2 cleanings, abscess, and 2 root canals), this one felt like I made a major accomplishment. Today I had another new crown installed (2 weeks ago they did the crown prep and root canal). I attribute many things to my poor teeth health. We do not have fluoride in our water, never a good flosser, way too much soda (ascorbic acid) and dipping. My accomplishment today was this, after I left the dentist office, the first thing I thought of was how nice it was to NOT want to have a dip. The thought of packing one in never crossed my mind but the thought of the freedom I have earned over the past 259 days did cross my mind. It feels great to be free from nicotine.

I am damn glad to be quit with all of you today.

Nice win!

[Raider]

11 months ago I had an appointment with a dentist to have a crown done. I had on onlay that was installed back in 1983 and it finally failed. At the time my normal process was to not dip the day of my appointment only to reward myself for being a good patient afterwards. That appointment was no different. After I had my temporary crown done I hopped into my truck, grabbed a can, and packed one in.

Today was different. Although I have been to the dentist MANY times since my visit 11 months ago (2 cleanings, abscess, and 2 root canals), this one felt like I made a major accomplishment. Today I had another new crown installed (2 weeks ago they did the crown prep and root canal). I attribute many things to my poor teeth health. We do not have fluoride in our water, never a good flosser, way too much soda (ascorbic acid) and dipping. My accomplishment today was this, after I left the dentist office, the first thing I thought of was how nice it was to NOT want to have a dip. The thought of packing one in never crossed my mind but the thought of the freedom I have earned over the past 259 days did cross my mind. It feels great to be free from nicotine.

I am damn glad to be quit with all of you today.

[Raider]

I told nicotine to eff off today for all of you. Without you all I would not have this feeling of hate for the drug we have all become addicted to.

Hey Nic Bitch: 'Finger'

My quit is stronger because of my Brothers and Sister in June 14, and the rest of you all.

[Mthomas3824]

With ALL the damn tools we have at our disposal, why in the hell do people think that having one and coming back is OK? WTF is wrong with you caving fuck stains? You may say, but quitting is hard, or my dog died, or my wife and I had a big fight. Nobody gives a shit about that. what we give a shit about is your quit and how you threw a big fat one in our face. then your sorry asses come crawling back asking for forgiveness and begin posting roll.

Well let me tell ya Sally, it don't work like that. The 3 questions need to be answered before proceeding. Why you may ask? Well it's for you and other quitters. Everyone to learn from your fuck up. Did you have the tools? Did you use the tools? Why the fuck not? I have heard very little conversation about a Contract to Cave. Is that in your wallet? Why didn't you use it? What makes you think that you will be successful this time? I know deep in my heart that I will not cave. How can I say this? Well the past 238 days have been filled with a shitload of reasons for me to cave but I have NOT because of one thing. I HONOR my word. I Post Roll daily and because of that, the Nic Bitch has got ZERO chance of getting me back in the sack.

June is my group. I love those guys in there. Yes we may be quiet at times but we are always watching from our bar stools at the Saloon.

A certain quitter (serial caver) caused a shitstorm today and an Admin asked "What rule did he break"? that was a great question. What rule did he break? Really, none. People are rightfully pissed off at him and want him to leave. Ignore him and he will go away because the attention will not be on him any longer. Will he stay quit, hopefully he does. I wouldn't wish this horseshit on anyone, except ISIS, Fuck them too.

There needs to be a solution for repeat offenders. I am proposing a Probation Group. Let them spend their 100 days to HOF there then after they complete that (if they do) get them hooked up with their group.

CAVING NEVER SOLVES ANYTHING!!! It only adds to your problems. If you haven't figured that our by now, maybe you aren't ready for this. KTC is extreme quitting, or at least it is supposed to be. I have seen way too much ball coddling lately. Retreads need to be grabbed by their balls and drug down the hallway. Make them understand where they fucked up and what they need to do in order to be QUIT.

End Rant.

Raider, I love your post. This is my thought. Some peeps still prefer addiction over the desire to overcome it. Too many come here out of guilt...feeling they should quit but not wanting it. I have been on quite a journey. I don't hate these people, I actually like them because I once was them. Full of guilt, remorse, anger and shame. I thought willpower was what I needed. It wasn't until my, "a ha" or epitome that addiction is hating something but that something controls you.

Unfortunately, and I see it in the young 20 something men that are out to prove something...Humility and accepting that you are addicted is step one. Most 20 somethings are motivated by logic. Addicts are changed and logic doesn't fit the regular mold. We need help and support. We need systems to keep impulses...well, paused.

I am an addict. KTC taught me to quit. Not on my terms but on KTC terms. This program is not one that can be graded on the curve.

If you only feel guilty...fuck off and chew.

If you are an addict and sick of the slavery, loyalty, cost or ugliness of being pathetic..(When that's not you!) Then humble yourself and post up, we need you. We can help you but together, we can beat this!

[Raider]

With ALL the damn tools we have at our disposal, why in the hell do people think that having one and coming back is OK? WTF is wrong with you caving fuck stains? You may say, but quitting is hard, or my dog died, or my wife and I had a big fight. Nobody gives a shit about that. what we give a shit about is your quit and how you threw a big fat one in our face. then your sorry asses come crawling back asking for forgiveness and begin posting roll.

Well let me tell ya Sally, it don't work like that. The 3 questions need to be answered before proceeding. Why you may ask? Well it's for you and other quitters. Everyone to learn from your fuck up. Did you have the tools? Did you use the tools? Why the fuck not? I have heard very little conversation about a Contract to Cave. Is that in your wallet? Why didn't you use it? What makes you think that you will be successful this time? I know deep in my heart that I will not cave. How can I say this? Well the past 238 days have been filled with a shitload of reasons for me to cave but I have NOT because of one thing. I HONOR my word. I Post Roll daily and because of that, the Nic Bitch has got ZERO chance of getting me back in the sack.

June is my group. I love those guys in there. Yes we may be quiet at times but we are always watching from our bar stools at the Saloon.

A certain quitter (serial caver) caused a shitstorm today and an Admin asked "What rule did he break"? that was a great question. What rule did he break? Really, none. People are rightfully pissed off at him and want him to leave. Ignore him and he will go away because the attention will not be on him any longer. Will he stay quit, hopefully he does. I wouldn't wish this horseshit on anyone, except ISIS, Fuck them too.

There needs to be a solution for repeat offenders. I am proposing a Probation Group. Let them spend their 100 days to HOF there then after they complete that (if they do) get them hooked up with their group.

CAVING NEVER SOLVES ANYTHING!!! It only adds to your problems. If you haven't figured that our by now, maybe you aren't ready for this. KTC is extreme quitting, or at least it is supposed to be. I have seen way too much ball coddling lately. Retreads need to be grabbed by their balls and drug down the hallway. Make them understand where they fucked up and what they need to do in order to be QUIT.

End Rant.

[brettlees]

Glad you're back in action Raider- your writing helps my quit!