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[Souliman]

Prada I've been trying communicate to new quitters what the mental fight is. What you are fighting and who you are fighting. Its difficult to do. To me it sounds like you're not on the right page with your planning, and substitutes and whatnot. I put a shit load of time into my quit because it is my priority. I have cultivated it. I own it. One day my quit will be able to talk to God - that's the voodoo magic strength my quit's gonna have.

This is how I picture the fight...

Picture yourself in the room with your co-workers. Everyone of them has a dip in and there are nasty spitters all around. Just standing all around you throughout the room. Another person you don't know is present. You can't really make out who it is at first but that person becomes more visible as the co-workers fade away. The more and more visible this person is the less visible your co-workers until finally the person is completely visible and your co-workers and the room are gone.

When you look at this person, you see that it looks like you. Its a bigger you...stronger...with an expression of pleasureful contempt on her face. She has a giant dip in and spit is dripping down her chin. Her skin is blotchy and her hair a mess. Her fists are clenched. She looks like she would take pleasure in doing you harm. And she definitely intends to harm you.

When you finally realize who she is, she's standing right in front of you. She's Prada Devil or "Pradevil". Nose to nose. Not more than an inch away. You can smell the dip on her breath. If you blink, she's going to rip your throat out and scream when she does. Only one of you can live. This is the fight.

You are already fighting this fight. This Pradevil has been kicking your ass for years. Now, you have to engage in that fight. If you can kick her ass and you are the one left standing, that's quit. Its got nothing to do with substitutes or what day of the week you quit or where you quit or WHEN you quit. That enemy will always be there. Its there now.

[brainsore]

TUG TUG TUG ?
Someone cried help and I don't feel anything on the end of this safety line .. WTF ????
Post up Prada ..Fucking flyby night fuckers ..These fuckers spend more time bashing out a 2 fingered sob story than actually spending a fucking waking minute quit . Post up roll and link it or type FAIL so we can move on. GOD DAMN 10+ replies to a damsel in distress horse shit cry . I'm close to 50 days .. seen this a few times and it has to be said .. Post up .. hit roll call and lets do this fucker right .
I can't click the mouse for you and I can't post roll . If you can't .. fail out and let someone else step ahead so we can give their quit a chance .





brainsore

[TommyNY]

Another thing, I feel stupid saying this, everyone is encouraging me to do it but I am scared to officially face my addiction and be like, I QUIT RIGHT NOW this very moment, even though I really have not dipped for almost 3 days. Somehow I feel like I have been able to keep avoiding dipping, like there is an open can of Cope Wintergreen in my purse, only one pinch has been taken and it wasn't even for me, I opened it for a guy in my shop whose can ran out. ...I feel like once I announce it and throw the can away, that's when I'm going to freak out and be like I NEED A DIP NOW. Right now, I don't want one, I haven't for almost 3 days but, just knowing it is there, I don't know, is calming or, makes me not think about it.... anyone see where I am going with this or am I not making any sense? It's like a security blanket. I mean that and, I feel like I may have already started my quit, but if I validate it out loud I'm going to freak out.

Maybe I am just being stupid/scared/combination of both...

That right there is addict talk. I know that quitting seems like a huge thing. DO NOT MAKE IT HUGE. make it simple. You only need to quit 1 day at a time. That is it. You have quit for 3 days right? So you know you can do it for 24 hours. Once you qet some quit experience I challenge you to go back and read that paragraph you wrote. You will be so proud of yourself. By then you will be able to recognize the addict in you. Admitting you are an addict is very difficult and can be a bit upsetting. Next, you will be able you separate yourself from yourself and see it. It will make you laugh and make your quit strong. Don't worry, we are all here for you. We understand.

All you need to do now is quit. I bet there will be a bit of a relief.

Prada88 - day 3 - I quit :)

I quit today and I will quit tommorw. Go ahead and throw that can away and quit with us today. That can of shit has never really been there for you. But you have people on here that will be here for you. One more time throw the can away. Quit today

[Scowick65]

Another thing, I feel stupid saying this, everyone is encouraging me to do it but I am scared to officially face my addiction and be like, I QUIT RIGHT NOW this very moment, even though I really have not dipped for almost 3 days. Somehow I feel like I have been able to keep avoiding dipping, like there is an open can of Cope Wintergreen in my purse, only one pinch has been taken and it wasn't even for me, I opened it for a guy in my shop whose can ran out. ...I feel like once I announce it and throw the can away, that's when I'm going to freak out and be like I NEED A DIP NOW. Right now, I don't want one, I haven't for almost 3 days but, just knowing it is there, I don't know, is calming or, makes me not think about it.... anyone see where I am going with this or am I not making any sense? It's like a security blanket. I mean that and, I feel like I may have already started my quit, but if I validate it out loud I'm going to freak out.

Maybe I am just being stupid/scared/combination of both...

That right there is addict talk. I know that quitting seems like a huge thing. DO NOT MAKE IT HUGE. make it simple. You only need to quit 1 day at a time. That is it. You have quit for 3 days right? So you know you can do it for 24 hours. Once you qet some quit experience I challenge you to go back and read that paragraph you wrote. You will be so proud of yourself. By then you will be able to recognize the addict in you. Admitting you are an addict is very difficult and can be a bit upsetting. Next, you will be able you separate yourself from yourself and see it. It will make you laugh and make your quit strong. Don't worry, we are all here for you. We understand.

All you need to do now is quit. I bet there will be a bit of a relief.

Prada88 - day 3 - I quit :)

[prada88]

Like you, I lived on an aircraft carrier with a bunch of guys who dipped...hell, it was a fraternity.  We called each other "Skoal Brothers"...even had our own initiation.  You had to put an entire can of Skoal in your mouth and keep it for 30 minutes without spitting.  Pretty fucked up, huh?  'Crazy'

I went through the same things you're doing now...although it was 25+ years ago.  Ninja-dipping all throughout the ship, looking for places to spit, loving the fact that I could get my fix when the guys who smoked were S-O-L when we were refueling.  "The smoking lamp is out. (but not the dipping lamp)"  Even working on the catapults during flight ops wasn't an issue.  I was soooo cool that I worked my spit into my movements and hand signals.  I WAS THE SHIT!

Unfortunately I missed all the signs of being an addict until just recently.  Looking back on things I remember when the ship would run out of Skoal and Copenhagen.  Everyone freaked out...we started running around looking for someone who had a roll so we could buy "just one can".  And we'd pay WHATEVER the price was, it didn't matter.  Next time out "I" would be the one who had stocked up and would sell to the highest bidder.  The idea of doing whatever it took to find my next fix should have been a huge red flag for me, but it wasn't. 

After a while we got to know the guys in the smoke shop and they'd let us know when they would start running low in dip...the guys I worked with would start recycling their dip, putting it back in the can instead of dropping it overboard.  So, when you bummed a dip from a buddy, you were getting some that he'd already dipped.  That's disgusting when you think about it, but we were addicts and it didn't matter. 

You're an addict too.  Maybe not as extreme as we were, but there's no question, you're an addict.  Say that out loud...I am an addict.  There's something very liberating about that simple little phrase.  Once you own it, you can control it, but you can't control it until you own it.  (That may sound dumb, but it's true)  I understand the difficulty of posting roll from a ship at sea, but there are ways.  Technology has jumped light years since I was in and I know you guys now have access to email and other things. 

Get hooked up with someone and figure out how you can post EVERY DAY...WITHOUT FAIL.  Email your promise to someone, call them on the phone, text...whatever.  Hell, I'll give you my email address if it will help you stay quit.  I'm sure there are a bunch of guys here who would step up to help out as well.  There are a ton of tools here to help you stay quit.  You just have to make the decision for yourself.  Don't quit tomorrow, quit just for today.  Shoot me a PM if there's anything I can do.  You got this. 'archer'

You have no idea how happy this makes me. I mean, not that you dipped so much, but that someone here knows exactly what I'm about to go through, trying to quit while being underway.
And while I don't think I've ever dipped the way you do, it's still an ongoing thing in my shop - half the shift dips, nobody hides it, there's spit bottles laying around everywhere, everyone dips something different so if you run out of your shit there's at least three different types to choose from when bumming... So Dchog, I get you too, I'm about to be faced with that same physical manifestation... That and, I don't want to bring gender into any of this but, it's no secret. You guys (males) can dip anywhere, military and in the civilian world and get away with it WAY more than I ever will. I mean, in the Navy it's not a big thing, sure Admin girls are grossed out but where I work, as an aircraft maintainer aboard ship, no one thinks twice, and you can do it literally anywhere... esp on the flight deck, we just spit into padeyes. But as a female in the civilian world, where I want to go back to university... I can't keep doing this.

Anyway when I said "planning" my quit, I really meant order more substitutes to help me through the first however many days you need them, the oral fixation is a HUGE part for me, and I know I would not have even made it my first 11 days last attempt without the fake stuff. I know this isn't the place to post my opinions on the three I've tried, but if anyone knows anything better than SMC, Hooch, or Oregon Mint PLEASE let me know. I was a little disappointed with Hooch, it's too hot sauce-y for my taste. I've ordered some of that NiP sea sponge stuff too, but it's not here yet. I can't just take the plunge again with no plan. I need something within arm's reach for when I feel like I'm going to cave.

Another thing, I feel stupid saying this, everyone is encouraging me to do it but I am scared to officially face my addiction and be like, I QUIT RIGHT NOW this very moment, even though I really have not dipped for almost 3 days. Somehow I feel like I have been able to keep avoiding dipping, like there is an open can of Cope Wintergreen in my purse, only one pinch has been taken and it wasn't even for me, I opened it for a guy in my shop whose can ran out. ...I feel like once I announce it and throw the can away, that's when I'm going to freak out and be like I NEED A DIP NOW. Right now, I don't want one, I haven't for almost 3 days but, just knowing it is there, I don't know, is calming or, makes me not think about it.... anyone see where I am going with this or am I not making any sense? It's like a security blanket. I mean that and, I feel like I may have already started my quit, but if I validate it out loud I'm going to freak out.

Maybe I am just being stupid/scared/combination of both...

[dchogs]

Like you, I lived on an aircraft carrier with a bunch of guys who dipped...hell, it was a fraternity. We called each other "Skoal Brothers"...even had our own initiation. You had to put an entire can of Skoal in your mouth and keep it for 30 minutes without spitting. Pretty fucked up, huh? 'Crazy'

I went through the same things you're doing now...although it was 25+ years ago. Ninja-dipping all throughout the ship, looking for places to spit, loving the fact that I could get my fix when the guys who smoked were S-O-L when we were refueling. "The smoking lamp is out. (but not the dipping lamp)" Even working on the catapults during flight ops wasn't an issue. I was soooo cool that I worked my spit into my movements and hand signals. I WAS THE SHIT!

Unfortunately I missed all the signs of being an addict until just recently. Looking back on things I remember when the ship would run out of Skoal and Copenhagen. Everyone freaked out...we started running around looking for someone who had a roll so we could buy "just one can". And we'd pay WHATEVER the price was, it didn't matter. Next time out "I" would be the one who had stocked up and would sell to the highest bidder. The idea of doing whatever it took to find my next fix should have been a huge red flag for me, but it wasn't.

After a while we got to know the guys in the smoke shop and they'd let us know when they would start running low in dip...the guys I worked with would start recycling their dip, putting it back in the can instead of dropping it overboard. So, when you bummed a dip from a buddy, you were getting some that he'd already dipped. That's disgusting when you think about it, but we were addicts and it didn't matter.

You're an addict too. Maybe not as extreme as we were, but there's no question, you're an addict. Say that out loud...I am an addict. There's something very liberating about that simple little phrase. Once you own it, you can control it, but you can't control it until you own it. (That may sound dumb, but it's true) I understand the difficulty of posting roll from a ship at sea, but there are ways. Technology has jumped light years since I was in and I know you guys now have access to email and other things.

Get hooked up with someone and figure out how you can post EVERY DAY...WITHOUT FAIL. Email your promise to someone, call them on the phone, text...whatever. Hell, I'll give you my email address if it will help you stay quit. I'm sure there are a bunch of guys here who would step up to help out as well. There are a ton of tools here to help you stay quit. You just have to make the decision for yourself. Don't quit tomorrow, quit just for today. Shoot me a PM if there's anything I can do. You got this. 'archer'

just wanted to have this on your intro twice. nice post tazmed!

i'll give you my email/number too if it helps, prada. the only time to quit is right now. tomorrow is always in the future, and something always comes up to screw with the best planned quit date.

i work in an office with guys that dip all the time. right from the get go, i didn't have any problems resisting because i had quit and shut the door to nic tight. some of the guys would leave spitters on my desk, open cans in my top desk drawer (so i'd smell it, the fuckers), and constantly toss me their tin.

i took it as a challenge. it was the physical manifestation of the nic bitch trying to lure me back. i knew i would win. but one day at a time... forever is too much to handle, even now.

quit now.

let me know if i can help.

[tazmed]

Like you, I lived on an aircraft carrier with a bunch of guys who dipped...hell, it was a fraternity. We called each other "Skoal Brothers"...even had our own initiation. You had to put an entire can of Skoal in your mouth and keep it for 30 minutes without spitting. Pretty fucked up, huh? 'Crazy'

I went through the same things you're doing now...although it was 25+ years ago. Ninja-dipping all throughout the ship, looking for places to spit, loving the fact that I could get my fix when the guys who smoked were S-O-L when we were refueling. "The smoking lamp is out. (but not the dipping lamp)" Even working on the catapults during flight ops wasn't an issue. I was soooo cool that I worked my spit into my movements and hand signals. I WAS THE SHIT!

Unfortunately I missed all the signs of being an addict until just recently. Looking back on things I remember when the ship would run out of Skoal and Copenhagen. Everyone freaked out...we started running around looking for someone who had a roll so we could buy "just one can". And we'd pay WHATEVER the price was, it didn't matter. Next time out "I" would be the one who had stocked up and would sell to the highest bidder. The idea of doing whatever it took to find my next fix should have been a huge red flag for me, but it wasn't.

After a while we got to know the guys in the smoke shop and they'd let us know when they would start running low in dip...the guys I worked with would start recycling their dip, putting it back in the can instead of dropping it overboard. So, when you bummed a dip from a buddy, you were getting some that he'd already dipped. That's disgusting when you think about it, but we were addicts and it didn't matter.

You're an addict too. Maybe not as extreme as we were, but there's no question, you're an addict. Say that out loud...I am an addict. There's something very liberating about that simple little phrase. Once you own it, you can control it, but you can't control it until you own it. (That may sound dumb, but it's true) I understand the difficulty of posting roll from a ship at sea, but there are ways. Technology has jumped light years since I was in and I know you guys now have access to email and other things.

Get hooked up with someone and figure out how you can post EVERY DAY...WITHOUT FAIL. Email your promise to someone, call them on the phone, text...whatever. Hell, I'll give you my email address if it will help you stay quit. I'm sure there are a bunch of guys here who would step up to help out as well. There are a ton of tools here to help you stay quit. You just have to make the decision for yourself. Don't quit tomorrow, quit just for today. Shoot me a PM if there's anything I can do. You got this. 'archer'

[brainsore]

Prada ,
Welcome to your quit doesn't mean I'm waiting to hear about the start of your quit . Jump in here the water is great .
Quit the shit . and post up .. There is now and it is time to do it .


brainsore

[Souliman]

Thanks for all the responses  encouragement, guys. I appreciate it, and you're all very right. Especially about me being addicted to nicotine, that really smacked me awake. I don't know why it had never occurred to me that I was not addicted exclusively to one form of nicotine but to any.

It's going to be hard but I am going to plan my quit for real this time, going it alone obviously didn't work. I'm glad I found some people who understand and who I can learn from.

I'll be posting again soon enough on my quit day, and once I'm underway I'll try to make roll as much as I can. Hopefully I can get some of the other guys in my shop to quit as well.

Well, I've got planning to do! Thank you everyone!

NO

If there is quit in you at all, there is quit in you now. No planning necessary. If you want it, get it. You will always be faced with an environment that is looking to screw you. You will always have to answer to the voice saying "one more". You must have an answer to that voice now.

I can give you some suggestions.

"FUCK YOU. I QUIT. I HAVE HAD MY LAST DIP. I WANT TO LIVE AND NOT PUT FUCKING POISON IN MY BODY."

I only hope you quit now. But on this site...there is no hope. There is do or do not.

[prada88]

Thanks for all the responses  encouragement, guys. I appreciate it, and you're all very right. Especially about me being addicted to nicotine, that really smacked me awake. I don't know why it had never occurred to me that I was not addicted exclusively to one form of nicotine but to any.

It's going to be hard but I am going to plan my quit for real this time, going it alone obviously didn't work. I'm glad I found some people who understand and who I can learn from.

I'll be posting again soon enough on my quit day, and once I'm underway I'll try to make roll as much as I can. Hopefully I can get some of the other guys in my shop to quit as well.

Well, I've got planning to do! Thank you everyone!

[brainsore]

Prada ,
Like the shoes and hand bags ? When you give up the dip go buy yourself one . Or another one you really like , it will be your reward for being steadfast in your quit . It certainly isn't easy quitting but this place makes it easier than pulling your line alone . I made it once cold turkey 5 years only to hit the teat of Conwood LLC , for another 7 . We all promise to be clean and stay clean of nicotine .
Watch your triggers and be ready to kick the nic bitch down when she comes knocking . You can do it , be bold , just like you were when you 1st tried the shit .
I look forward to your quit , Welcome to your QUIT .

brainsore

[Xzacto]

Quit now and show your ship mates who the real bad ass is! You can do this and you can do it now!

[Scowick65]

Sweetheart, you are an addict.  You are an ACTIVE addict.  You are no different than a coke fiend.  Get your mind around this one simple fact.  Yeah, LOOT gets it...it's no fun making that self-realization.

It's not a habit.  It's an addiction.  Say it out loud.  Get used to it.  Understand it.  You can not own it until you do.

Make Roll Call. Everyday.  Keep your word.  Your word is important to you is it not?  You are a person of integrity no?

Thanks for your service.  Be safe...be clean.

x 1,000

This link serves me well. I hate being an addict, but, I am an addict. I just read this for the 100th time probably. It is called "The Law of Addiction"

http://www.killthecan.org/robs/law.asp

PS.
Do not feel bad that you are addicted to nicotine. Those bastards that sold that stuff to you fully intended for you to be addict...for life. Jump ship, pun intended and join the good guys and gals quitting everyday...and tell the tobacco pimps to...

[loot]

Sweetheart, you are an addict. You are an ACTIVE addict. You are no different than a coke fiend. Get your mind around this one simple fact. Yeah, LOOT gets it...it's no fun making that self-realization.

It's not a habit. It's an addiction. Say it out loud. Get used to it. Understand it. You can not own it until you do.

Make Roll Call. Everyday. Keep your word. Your word is important to you is it not? You are a person of integrity no?

Thanks for your service. Be safe...be clean.

[jmiah]

I want to quit dipping.

I have only dipped for about 3 years now, moderately [like a can every 3-4 days, maybe less during a rough week but never a can a day person] and I desperately want to quit.
However, my circumstances are a little more complicated than the average potential quitter [maybe?]

I'm 22, female, and currently enlisted in the US Navy. I'm from Texas and ironically I had never even heard of dip until I joined. I've pretty much been smoking since I was 17, and picked up the dip habit right out of boot, when I had to run one and a half to three miles every other day in my occupational school. It was a quick way to get my nicotine without coughing up a lung and being short of breath after every PT session. Better [worse] yet, other girls dipped too, so it's not even like there was the social stigma that civilian females face. If anything, most guys who find out I dip are more impressed than grossed out.

Well, needless to say it's been 3 years in, and although the physical intensity of my life lessened after those couple months in occupational school, I kept the habit, while continuing to smoke. Most of the time I prefer cigarettes, but very recently, since January of this year actually, the ratio flipped and it seems I dip a lot more than I smoke [a can lasts me about 3-4 days, a pack of cigarettes a week, gradually my smoking lessened and dipping remained constant, thankfully never getting to a can a day status]... in essence I swapped one addiction for another.

I don't know what possessed me to attempt to quit, perhaps just fear of oral cancer, but I am coming up on the last stretch of my enlistment, a 9 month deployment aboard an aircraft carrier to the Western Pacific/Persian Gulf, and I don't want to carry the habit with me back into the civilian world. However, I'm in a bit of a predicament because for me, logging onto the internet everyday to rollcall while at sea in God-knows-where for 9 months is kind of not an option. That and, half the guys in my shop dip, I see/smell it everyday. It's more convenient to dip than smoke aboard a ship, dipping is never secured, and you can pretty much do anything and go anywhere with a dip in.

BUT I want so badly to quit, I have stopped smoking altogether [thanks to an E-cigarette], I know 3 years might seem like nothing to some people here but I want to stop before it gets serious, I just don't know how given my situation and circumstances, and I'm scared to take the risk and say, well I'll just quit when I get back from deployment. I get routine oral exams every year and although I never tell the dentist I dip, they have yet to find anything and I always get a clean bill of health. My lower gums are SLIGHTLY lower than they used to be before I dipped, but I wised up and learned to move it around in my mouth... I have thankfully never had a tongue sore but honestly I feel like I'm pushing my luck.

I want to quit, I bought a shit ton of dip alternatives [SMC, Hooch, Oregon Mint] online and had them all rush ordered, hoping to find one I liked in time for deployment and then buy it in bulk to quit while at sea.

Needless to say I made it about 11 days before I caved and bought a can of Grizz, I went through the can slower than usual [about 2 dips a day] but I just bought another today, and yeah this is pretty much a relapse.

I don't know if I'll be able to quit before I go, dip is sold aboard the ship [although my Grizz is rarely available, usually settle for stank ass Skoal wintergreen or Skoal cherry] ... and I might just be an idiot and buy a few logs before I go. As of now, I have not had a dip in 24 hours, but I've been home. At home I don't crave it, work it's another story, and I'm pretty much going to be at work 24/7 for the next 8 months.

Any suggestions???? I hope this isn't a waste of time, dlfkgsdlfgj I really want to quit, I just don't know how.

You did not trade any addiction for another. You just manifested your nicotine addiction in varying different ways. Dip, cigarettes, cigars, nicorette gum...who the fuck cares?! Nicotine is your enemy and anything that harbors your enemy must be eliminated.

Jeremy
Former soldier
Thanks for your service, regardless of what you decide.