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Offline PhuctUp

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2017, 10:30:00 PM »
I can't add a tremendous amount that these tremendous quitters have not already said, but I absolutely love this topic and it absolutely belongs here. Here's the only thing I have to add. This conversation, for us, is a COMPLETELY different conversation than it is for him. I was him only four or five months ago, and I basically wanted to tell people to go to hell for asking me to quit. If you put this kind of conversation in front of him and ask him to read it, any number of variations of "F*%k this" will go through his head if he doesn't outright say it.

Think about it this way. He is an addict. We are addicts. He will fight at immeasurable cost to keep feeding his addiction. We will fight at immeasurable cost to overcome the addict within us. It is a true dichotomy of contrasting fights that make absolutely no sense to a non-addict. It made no sense to us before we finally made up our OWN minds to quit. Addiction is a messed up disease. It's completely irrational, and he will see this topic in grossly irrational ways. We all did, too.

I'll offer up one other "bet" you can make with him. Send somebody like Applejack or pky1520 a private message and ask for their cell number. Bet your son a steak dinner he can't talk to one of them on the phone for 5 minutes without at least telling them, "I'll seriously think about quitting. I promise." It's his decision and always will be, but the brotherhood of this place is what makes it special and makes the success rate here an anomaly compared to other quit methods. Five minutes of talking to one of those badasses might help. Bribery is completely permissible in this case. Good luck to you, mama. (This sounds like something my mama would do; that's why you get the title of Mama here.)

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2017, 06:33:00 PM »
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Thank you for this great suggestion, I will show him Posting Roll.
(And I won't promise him a pony :) )
One other suggestion that I'll make... If he does decide to take you up on the bet, you should not check in on him using your account. Maybe put a condition on it that if you ask to see his Roll Post, he needs to show that he's done it, but that you won't be looking in over his shoulder using your own account.

Quitting nicotine is messy business. It leads to some raw feelings and frankly I wouldn't want my mother reading everything I've put up on this site. This site can be a superb resource to vent, ask questions and work out the issues inherently associated with a radical shift in brain chemistry. Members here need to feel comfortable expressing themselves, so you should respect that with him.

Not saying you wouldn't respect his privacy, I just know I'd be tempted to censor myself if I thought my momma was reading over my shoulder.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you guys. I hope to see something happen because I can feel your frustration and can tell you're doing everything you can.

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2017, 05:49:00 PM »
Thank you for this great suggestion, I will show him Posting Roll.
(And I won't promise him a pony :) )

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2017, 05:13:00 PM »
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What got you to quit? I understand you can't make someone quit who isn't ready. But something got everyone on this site to make that decision. I've read lots of stories about alcoholics who seek help after they've hit rock bottom -- like waking up in the gutter or losing their job or something. What is it that makes someone kick tobacco? SOMETHING got all of you to make the choice to get help. What was it? Should I try to get his twin brother or sister to talk to him? I can't just stand by and watch my son slowly kill himself.
There definitely isn't one answer to that question. If you read through the Intro pages here, you'll find a bunch of different catalysts that led to people posting here. I've seen everything from a cancer scare to trying to give it up for Lent. I think for many of us, we just got tired of the constant cycle of addiction, lying, hiding, wasting money and giving up control.

I can't tell you what will prompt your son to quit, but I can tell you what won't. Fear, outside pressure, nagging, trying to please friends and family. All of those things might be a catalyst, but if the underlying desire to be quit isn't there, it isn't going to happen.

I do have an idea though. Make a bet with him. Posting Roll is the quit program here and basically it's a promise not to use any nicotine product for one day. We use 100 days as the first major milestone, so that might be a good place to start. Bet him to create an account and post roll with us here for 100 days straight. Offer up a prize that will catch his interest and put no conditions on it other than he post roll every day for 100 days. At the end of 100 days, follow up on your end of the bet. You don't tell him he has to quit forever, don't get preachy or dramatic, just appeal to his competitive side and make a wager.

What you're hoping to see is that somewhere along those 100 days he actually discovers that he wants it. It's possible that on day 101, he goes right back to the can, but what that means is that he truly wasn't ready to quit and there was nothing you could have done anyway.

I will warn you that it won't be pretty. If he comes in here with a "I'm only here because my mommy said she'd buy me a pony" he's going to get straightened out right quick. This community is serious about quitting and we only accept people who are serious. His choice will be to get serious or fail. He will also have to have some integrity and put some value behind his word. Dishonesty is completely unacceptable here and he needs to know that going into it.

Anyway, that's my idea. See if you can at least get him in the door and maybe he'll discover along the way that it really is time to quit.

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2017, 04:22:00 PM »
What got you to quit? I understand you can't make someone quit who isn't ready. But something got everyone on this site to make that decision. I've read lots of stories about alcoholics who seek help after they've hit rock bottom -- like waking up in the gutter or losing their job or something. What is it that makes someone kick tobacco? SOMETHING got all of you to make the choice to get help. What was it? Should I try to get his twin brother or sister to talk to him? I can't just stand by and watch my son slowly kill himself.

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2017, 03:33:00 PM »
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Forgive me in advance if I've come to the wrong place and this website and forum is only for individuals who want to quit. But I'm feeling a bit desperate. I have a beautiful, wonderful 23 year old son who is addicted to smokeless tobacco. He started when he was about 16 or 17 when he was playing sports in high school. We knew he kept it up in college because we'd find bottles full of the tobacco spit all around his room after he had been home for vacations. There would be a lot of bottles, some "hidden" (ie under the bed).
I've tried everything -- from talking to him, pleading with him ... I even sent him a folder of horrible pictures of young people whose faces were destroyed by cancer. I sent him the link to your site. My son is a smart kid, he's planning on going to medical school next year, so he knows the health risk, but it's an addiction he's not facing up to. I've tried to tell him we are there to help him beat this, but he denies he's still using it. I know he's not telling me the truth because every time he comes home to visit I find empty canisters all around his room after he's left.
Please please please, does anyone have any suggestions of what I can do to help my son get the help he needs to quit? My heart is breaking knowing he's killing himself and I can't do anything to stop it.
Thank you. Again, I'm sorry if this isn't appropriate and if this forum is only for those who are trying to quit. If I shouldn't be on this forum, do you have any suggestions of where I can go?
No worries... you are more than welcome here!

Sadly... you've done all you can. Each person battling their addiction, and doing it successfully, is doing it for themselves. Y'see... in order for it to mean something for that person it HAS to be a completely selfish thing. We can't quit for someone else...

Giving him the link to this site is the best place to leave it. We are him... if he bothers to look, I guarantee it will be quite a shock to find out he's not alone or as "ninja" as he thinks. Don't force it. That just never works. Trust me... we ALL know that to be true. Keep this site in front of him without nagging him about it... if you can. Everything he needs... EVERYTHING... is on this site.

We would love to see him here...
Print this page to let him know how you feel as well how we feel about getting him in here to help this lucky potential quitter.

Why Lucky:

1. He is young - I wish i could go back to the young 20 something me and quit then (would have saved 20k over the past 10 years) - would go a long way towards student loans...
2. He clearly has your support (but as stated dont try and force it)
3. He is but a few mouse clicks away from help from thousands of people who know what it is like to be in his shoes.


Good luck bud hope to see you in here asap!
Kind of echoing what these guys are saying, there really isn't much you can do to force someone to quit who doesn't want to. By being combative, you'll just be driving a wedge in the relationship and maybe even make him more adamantly stubborn against quitting. I think at this point, he knows how you feel about the issue, so while you can continue to show that you'll be a supportive pillar in his life, don't badger the issue.

If he's like most of us, he probably does recognize a problem on some level. As a young guy, he might just be kicking the problem down the road until it becomes something more dire. Hopefully he does at least approach this site for some info and perspective from others who have been down that same road. He probably does have quitting on the brain in at least some capacity - most of us spent years with the thoughts of quitting before actually doing it. I'll be hoping and praying for you that your son does decide to quit sooner than later, before this addiction becomes the financial and health burden that it becomes to so many.

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2017, 03:33:00 PM »
I was asked, begged, even offered money throughout my many years of using, to quit. Each and every single time someone said something I rolled my eyes at them. The only answer I can honestly give you is that, it's going to have to be his decision. I do hope and pray that he makes the decision to quit.
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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 02:30:00 PM »
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Quote from: bec3ste
Forgive me in advance if I've come to the wrong place and this website and forum is only for individuals who want to quit. But I'm feeling a bit desperate. I have a beautiful, wonderful 23 year old son who is addicted to smokeless tobacco. He started when he was about 16 or 17 when he was playing sports in high school. We knew he kept it up in college because we'd find bottles full of the tobacco spit all around his room after he had been home for vacations. There would be a lot of bottles, some "hidden" (ie under the bed).
I've tried everything -- from talking to him, pleading with him ... I even sent him a folder of horrible pictures of young people whose faces were destroyed by cancer. I sent him the link to your site. My son is a smart kid, he's planning on going to medical school next year, so he knows the health risk, but it's an addiction he's not facing up to. I've tried to tell him we are there to help him beat this, but he denies he's still using it. I know he's not telling me the truth because every time he comes home to visit I find empty canisters all around his room after he's left.
Please please please, does anyone have any suggestions of what I can do to help my son get the help he needs to quit? My heart is breaking knowing he's killing himself and I can't do anything to stop it.
Thank you. Again, I'm sorry if this isn't appropriate and if this forum is only for those who are trying to quit. If I shouldn't be on this forum, do you have any suggestions of where I can go?
No worries... you are more than welcome here!

Sadly... you've done all you can. Each person battling their addiction, and doing it successfully, is doing it for themselves. Y'see... in order for it to mean something for that person it HAS to be a completely selfish thing. We can't quit for someone else...

Giving him the link to this site is the best place to leave it. We are him... if he bothers to look, I guarantee it will be quite a shock to find out he's not alone or as "ninja" as he thinks. Don't force it. That just never works. Trust me... we ALL know that to be true. Keep this site in front of him without nagging him about it... if you can. Everything he needs... EVERYTHING... is on this site.

We would love to see him here...
Print this page to let him know how you feel as well how we feel about getting him in here to help this lucky potential quitter.

Why Lucky:

1. He is young - I wish i could go back to the young 20 something me and quit then (would have saved 20k over the past 10 years) - would go a long way towards student loans...
2. He clearly has your support (but as stated dont try and force it)
3. He is but a few mouse clicks away from help from thousands of people who know what it is like to be in his shoes.


Good luck bud hope to see you in here asap!

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Re: Help for my son?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2017, 02:15:00 PM »
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Forgive me in advance if I've come to the wrong place and this website and forum is only for individuals who want to quit. But I'm feeling a bit desperate. I have a beautiful, wonderful 23 year old son who is addicted to smokeless tobacco. He started when he was about 16 or 17 when he was playing sports in high school. We knew he kept it up in college because we'd find bottles full of the tobacco spit all around his room after he had been home for vacations. There would be a lot of bottles, some "hidden" (ie under the bed).
I've tried everything -- from talking to him, pleading with him ... I even sent him a folder of horrible pictures of young people whose faces were destroyed by cancer. I sent him the link to your site. My son is a smart kid, he's planning on going to medical school next year, so he knows the health risk, but it's an addiction he's not facing up to. I've tried to tell him we are there to help him beat this, but he denies he's still using it. I know he's not telling me the truth because every time he comes home to visit I find empty canisters all around his room after he's left.
Please please please, does anyone have any suggestions of what I can do to help my son get the help he needs to quit? My heart is breaking knowing he's killing himself and I can't do anything to stop it.
Thank you. Again, I'm sorry if this isn't appropriate and if this forum is only for those who are trying to quit. If I shouldn't be on this forum, do you have any suggestions of where I can go?
No worries... you are more than welcome here!

Sadly... you've done all you can. Each person battling their addiction, and doing it successfully, is doing it for themselves. Y'see... in order for it to mean something for that person it HAS to be a completely selfish thing. We can't quit for someone else...

Giving him the link to this site is the best place to leave it. We are him... if he bothers to look, I guarantee it will be quite a shock to find out he's not alone or as "ninja" as he thinks. Don't force it. That just never works. Trust me... we ALL know that to be true. Keep this site in front of him without nagging him about it... if you can. Everything he needs... EVERYTHING... is on this site.

We would love to see him here...
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Help for my son?
« on: September 07, 2017, 01:47:00 PM »
Forgive me in advance if I've come to the wrong place and this website and forum is only for individuals who want to quit. But I'm feeling a bit desperate. I have a beautiful, wonderful 23 year old son who is addicted to smokeless tobacco. He started when he was about 16 or 17 when he was playing sports in high school. We knew he kept it up in college because we'd find bottles full of the tobacco spit all around his room after he had been home for vacations. There would be a lot of bottles, some "hidden" (ie under the bed).
I've tried everything -- from talking to him, pleading with him ... I even sent him a folder of horrible pictures of young people whose faces were destroyed by cancer. I sent him the link to your site. My son is a smart kid, he's planning on going to medical school next year, so he knows the health risk, but it's an addiction he's not facing up to. I've tried to tell him we are there to help him beat this, but he denies he's still using it. I know he's not telling me the truth because every time he comes home to visit I find empty canisters all around his room after he's left.
Please please please, does anyone have any suggestions of what I can do to help my son get the help he needs to quit? My heart is breaking knowing he's killing himself and I can't do anything to stop it.
Thank you. Again, I'm sorry if this isn't appropriate and if this forum is only for those who are trying to quit. If I shouldn't be on this forum, do you have any suggestions of where I can go?