Help Needed

[mat849]

Brilliant help guys, thanks for sharing. My mind is blown to finally talk to people about this secret battle I've been waging with myself for years. There are slight variances between all the stories on here, but that common thread of having some sort of substance control your every decision seems very consistent. It's really good to be able to admit the humiliation of it to others who have been successful at taming it and understanding the battle.

If anyone out there has any resources that scientifically explain nicotine withdrawal cycles, please share. I've read quite a few via normal search, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can about what I am dealing with at the moment.

J

Nicotine Addiction 101

This same link can be found somewhere in the welcome center I believe.

Keep reading. Keep posting. Drink lots of water.

Welcome aboard. Stay committed and always remember how much you hated that feeling of not being on control.

Pm me if you need support digits.

[jwright]

Brilliant help guys, thanks for sharing. My mind is blown to finally talk to people about this secret battle I've been waging with myself for years. There are slight variances between all the stories on here, but that common thread of having some sort of substance control your every decision seems very consistent. It's really good to be able to admit the humiliation of it to others who have been successful at taming it and understanding the battle.

If anyone out there has any resources that scientifically explain nicotine withdrawal cycles, please share. I've read quite a few via normal search, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can about what I am dealing with at the moment.

J

[VAWilly]

Hey JW, you've done a fantastic thing. I had dipped/chewed for 32 years; quit a hundred times but always found myself pulling into a convenience store for 'just one'. And then right back into the hole. So obviously my will power alone was not enough for me and I repeated the cycle of bondage, suffering from withdrawal, agony of defeat.

And by the Grace of God, stumbled upon KTC and found the fellowship here empowering. For me posting roll and complete transparency (humility) were the tools and fellowship was the power for success.

Fight hard. Simply strangle the voice of temptation. Obey and lean on people here.

You can soon enough be done with this and enjoy life on the other side.

Willy

[FkSkoal]

Welcome to the best decision you will ever make.

I was a ninja dipper, too. Tough being a city kid and dipping, since it is not exactly part of the NYC culture as it is in other places around the country.

One thing that helped me significantly with the early withdrawals was Excedrin migraine. The headaches begin to dissipate almost instantly. Amazing. They can last anywhere from a few days to about two weeks, so get ready for quite a ride. But after that's over, it's smooth sailing- physiologically. The psychological withdrawals will continue to linger.

In any case, I look forward to coming back to this thread on your HOF Day 100.

[jwright]

Woke up this morning feeling pretty damn nauseous due to lack of nicotine in my blood stream. This was around 4:30am and just couldn't stay in bed to fall back asleep. So, the plan of today is...

1. Post roll (done)
2. Try to reach out to someone new (done)
3. Eat about 1.5 million sunflower seeds while working at home.
4. Check in on this KTC each hour, maybe hit up the live chat for help if needed.

I'm probably going to post to this thread daily to continually remind myself about how much I really hate this shit. Today's "shit I can do without" ...

I've got a 2012 Harley Iron. This Summer specifically I have missed out on countless rides for one reason... I can dip in my truck but not on my bike.

Sad? Believe it, the truck always won. Yesterday I made a point of going for a ride.

J

[Dagranger]

Posted roll first time. Thanks for the welcome notes all and THansen for the insight. I can already tell that being able to discuss these issues with people who have face the same challenges is going to be an incredibly valuable resource for me. Thanks for this already.

jw

I saw you posted roll today. Awesome. To succeed here you have to treat that roll post as serious as the rest of us do. When you post roll you are promising everyone here you will not dip today. And everyone else who posts roll is making the same promise to you. That is the foundation of this site. If you are a man of your word, that promise will get you through some tough moments. As your quit progresses and you start to get a little more comfortable don't slack on your roll post. Oftentimes it's the first step back to a life of dip.
I too was a ninja dipper (a phrase used around here for those who hid their addiction). If I can give any advice it would be to be the opposite as a quitter....let as many people know as possible. Will it be a little embarrassing? Probably....But will it add to the accountability of your quit? Definitely.
Good luck Brutha!

[Diesel2112]

Time to come clean bro, to EVERYONE.

I too was a ninja dipper. Nobody knew outside a few of my "boys". When I quit I HAD to come clean. No way I could have done it alone, or undercover.

The thing is JW, when I did come clean my family and friends were very understanding and supportive.

I think everyone can relate to the addictive powers of nicotine. It's not like I said I was a crack fiend or a heroin addict and had been sucking dick for rocks.

Don't be fooled though. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs in the world. Just because you can buy it in a store does not mean it's addictive powers are not on par or even more so that "harder" drugs. Quitting is a mother fucker.

You're in the right place though. Post role every day, get involved, and lean on those fighting the same battles.

You can do this. You WILL do this.

Quit on...

[jwright]

Posted roll first time. Thanks for the welcome notes all and THansen for the insight. I can already tell that being able to discuss these issues with people who have face the same challenges is going to be an incredibly valuable resource for me. Thanks for this already.

jw

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

Welcome brother!!! Post roll ASAP! The simple daily routine of posting roll is saving thousands of lives.

[THansen2413]

Hi Community,

Pleased to be writing this post as it is an initial step in what will be a challenging and long journey to self improvement. A bit about myself... I've been dipping off and on since I was 18 for about 15 years now. The biggest issue I've faced with dipping cannot be pinned on the Skoal I've been throwing ridiculous amounts of money at over the years, but actually myself.

The reality is that I've always approached dipping alone. Since I dipped in high school, through my 20's and now in my 30's, I've always done so (with the exception of a few friends who did also) by myself... in my truck, bathroom, whenever my girlfriends were gone, etc... Because it has always been a secretive addiction, whenever I've tried to quit, I've also tried to do so in isolation. This has failed miserably many many times... birthdays, new years, life events, etc... a countless pile of failed quit dates.

The biggest problem is I've never really informed others about how serious the addiction really is and how much I really need help. I've discovered that I am literally too weak to do it on my own, and that is a hard thing to admit for myself. The only path forward, is to admit this to people in my life, and to you all here, in hopes of finding accountability that I've never been able to find within myself. Although, ultimately, it needs to come down to a decision for myself on a daily basis and the accountability must come from me, I literally need help.

The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.

I'm sure this a familiar story to everyone here, so I will not write much more about it. I will say this much about my recent dip habits:

1. Averaging 1 can of skoal mint poaches daily.
2. My mouth tastes and feels like complete shit at the end of the day.
3. My bank account is getting whacked hard.
4. My mood is horrific and frequently my displeasure with myself and guilt of the habit ends up impacting my relationship with my girlfriend (who has no idea of course).

So, I'm here to change things and myself by posting this introduction message. I've tapered for the past week down to one dip a day the past two days, and will officially call this my quit day, Sept 1, 2014.

I hope that the honesty and candidness of people in this community provide me with the assistance I've never really had before.

I have one question for this: I've read many posts referencing "post roll" or "roll call", and perhaps I am missing somethign completely obvious, but how do I find this so I can be accountable each day?


jw

Hey jwright!

You're in the right place! Your story is no different than all of ours. I was also a secretive dipper. I went 3 years before anyone other than my close friend, found out I dipped. That is where the problem is. If nobody knows what we are battling, how can they help? I used nic for 10 years. Before I quit, I was going through a can a day. Not only hurting my health, but also my checking account pretty bad. The first mentioned however, should be the reason you want to quit. This is life or death. Read the Tom and Jenny Kern story if you haven't yet.

Posting roll is something we do every morning. NOT in the afternoon, not at night... first thing in the morning! It's a promise, to not use nic, in any form, for the day. Don't worry about tomorrow, or the big football game 2 weeks away...we worry about today, the present. Anybody can quit for 1 day. Instructions for posting can be found in the Welcome Center. You will be in the December 2014 group, as you will hit your Hall of Fame date of 100 days, in December.

To end, you have to realize that dipping isn't a habit. I had a hard time realizing this early on. The act of putting it in your mouth may be built on a habitual pattern, but it's the nic that keeps you coming back. This is an addiction. We are addicts. You are an addict. I am an addict. We hate any form of nic of here!

I'm going to send you a PM, top right Inbox (1) so make sure to check that. Welcome to the freedom.

TH

[jwright]

Sorry, disregard the "post roll" questions, I found the instructions. Thanks.

jw

[jwright]

Hi Community,

Pleased to be writing this post as it is an initial step in what will be a challenging and long journey to self improvement. A bit about myself... I've been dipping off and on since I was 18 for about 15 years now. The biggest issue I've faced with dipping cannot be pinned on the Skoal I've been throwing ridiculous amounts of money at over the years, but actually myself.

The reality is that I've always approached dipping alone. Since I dipped in high school, through my 20's and now in my 30's, I've always done so (with the exception of a few friends who did also) by myself... in my truck, bathroom, whenever my girlfriends were gone, etc... Because it has always been a secretive addiction, whenever I've tried to quit, I've also tried to do so in isolation. This has failed miserably many many times... birthdays, new years, life events, etc... a countless pile of failed quit dates.

The biggest problem is I've never really informed others about how serious the addiction really is and how much I really need help. I've discovered that I am literally too weak to do it on my own, and that is a hard thing to admit for myself. The only path forward, is to admit this to people in my life, and to you all here, in hopes of finding accountability that I've never been able to find within myself. Although, ultimately, it needs to come down to a decision for myself on a daily basis and the accountability must come from me, I literally need help.

The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.

I'm sure this a familiar story to everyone here, so I will not write much more about it. I will say this much about my recent dip habits:

1. Averaging 1 can of skoal mint poaches daily.
2. My mouth tastes and feels like complete shit at the end of the day.
3. My bank account is getting whacked hard.
4. My mood is horrific and frequently my displeasure with myself and guilt of the habit ends up impacting my relationship with my girlfriend (who has no idea of course).

So, I'm here to change things and myself by posting this introduction message. I've tapered for the past week down to one dip a day the past two days, and will officially call this my quit day, Sept 1, 2014.

I hope that the honesty and candidness of people in this community provide me with the assistance I've never really had before.

I have one question for this: I've read many posts referencing "post roll" or "roll call", and perhaps I am missing somethign completely obvious, but how do I find this so I can be accountable each day?


jw