Hello, everyone. This is day 3 of quitting this time around. Two previous times I had good time under my belt. Once for 2 years and another for almost 5 years. In my intro I plan on letting my discovery out in hopes that it helps others. I know there are some angry folks on this board and, quite frankly, I don't respond to that at all. Anyways, For 7 years I was a drug and alcohol counselor. I know the road to recovery from a professional stand point. I knew what it took to get clean and sober and to stay clean and sober. Yes, you do have to have both Clean and Sober for it to be Recovery. The biggest fault of quitting is who I was doing it for. First time was my Ex Wife, the second time was my ex girlfriend after my ex wife. See. I quit for them. So, of course, when it went south with them I felt no need to keep on quitting. This time, it is for me. I want to quit. This time has been harder, though, than previous times. Previously, no withdraw symptoms. No, my jaw aches, my body aches, I am very tired and sleepy, eyes itch, fluctuating appetite, headaches. I know I need this support group. I know I am going to start a live support group in my town. I do believe the 12 steps will help. Addiction is an addiction is an addiction. No matter the stigma an addiction to chemicals has, it is still the same. I hope I helped somebody. I am no better than anyone else nor am I any less. If anyone wants to chat, message, talk, anything. Let me know.