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Offline Jtricher

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2011, 01:20:00 PM »
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Damn, I sure wish my sleep could return to normal.  Like clockwork I wake up at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. and wide awake every day now.  I used to dip like a fiend before going to bed so could easily understand difficulty sleeping then but I guess my body was trained in that regard and I would sleep like a baby.  Now when I'm going to bed clean I don't understand why I can't get a good night's rest.  Sure hoping that gets better soon.

Anyway, so I'm in Beaumont, Texas on business and this lawyer bud of mine (who I used to work with at a firm a few years back) happens to also be here on business. We go grab a bite for dinner and I start asking him about his "quit".  Back in 2007 when we worked together we decided to quit.  The only difference is he followed thru and I just continued the lie.  He was schocked I never quit.  Anyway, this dude is a beast.  He was on the cope for 25 years and was a poster child for nicotine addiction.  He would have a dip in and then as soon as he took it out he would immediately throw in his mouth two 4 mg pieces of nicotine gum.  When the gum became stale he'd put another dip in.  No joke.  Anyway, so he decides to quit and does like a mad man...still quit almost 4 years later.  He refuses to even find a replacement for the oral fixation - refuses to chew on sunflower seeds or anything.  I know I'm truly done and quit this time but damn, I have a hard time not putting something in my mouth.  Maybe one day.
Sleep will return to normal. The time frame varies from person to person, but it will come. My first three weeks were pretty ugly but before I knew it I was sleeping much better. One strange thing I've noticed is that I seem to be having more dreams, or at least remembering my dreams, than I did before. Still haven't had the dip dream (that I know of) but I sure am having some weird ones. Guess that's all part of the process...

Stay strong!
I 2nd the fact that the sleep will get better. Shit, we'd all be f'd if it didn't :)

On another note concerning your old pal. I decided early on that I would not compare my Quit to anyone else's. Especially those that are able to Quit without this site. I feel strongly that this is the ONLY way that I am able to remain Quit.

Kind of a "good for those who can do it on their own"...but I like our way and it's the only way for me.
Ag - We are like two peas on a pod in our quits (no homo). I too have had sleep issues. Before I quit, bed at 11, up at 7, nice 8 hours. Now, it is bed at 9 up at 3. For the first 50 or so days, I could not fall back asleep. I still get up at 3 but thankfully am able to fall back asleep until 5 or 6. Point is what you are going through is normal. Keep in mind. Nic is a drug. It does devastating things to the brain, namely make you a junkie addict. In doing so, it had an affect on the part of the brain regulating sleep. Just like it affected when you took a dump, appetite, etc. In other words, the sleep issue is all part and parcel of your body and brain learning to live and readjust without Nic. As I have told others, embrace this, because you know what is going on. You are winning the daily battle against Nic and the various changes are direct evidence of same. For me, the "side effects" of quitting, including sleep issues, are much better than the side effects of being a sorry ass junkie Nic addict. As to advice when you wake up. I read on my I-pad, post roll early, return office e-mails, etc. Good luck. JT
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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2011, 10:24:00 AM »
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Damn, I sure wish my sleep could return to normal.  Like clockwork I wake up at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. and wide awake every day now.  I used to dip like a fiend before going to bed so could easily understand difficulty sleeping then but I guess my body was trained in that regard and I would sleep like a baby.  Now when I'm going to bed clean I don't understand why I can't get a good night's rest.  Sure hoping that gets better soon.

Anyway, so I'm in Beaumont, Texas on business and this lawyer bud of mine (who I used to work with at a firm a few years back) happens to also be here on business. We go grab a bite for dinner and I start asking him about his "quit".  Back in 2007 when we worked together we decided to quit.  The only difference is he followed thru and I just continued the lie.  He was schocked I never quit.  Anyway, this dude is a beast.  He was on the cope for 25 years and was a poster child for nicotine addiction.  He would have a dip in and then as soon as he took it out he would immediately throw in his mouth two 4 mg pieces of nicotine gum.  When the gum became stale he'd put another dip in.  No joke.  Anyway, so he decides to quit and does like a mad man...still quit almost 4 years later.  He refuses to even find a replacement for the oral fixation - refuses to chew on sunflower seeds or anything.  I know I'm truly done and quit this time but damn, I have a hard time not putting something in my mouth.  Maybe one day.
Sleep will return to normal. The time frame varies from person to person, but it will come. My first three weeks were pretty ugly but before I knew it I was sleeping much better. One strange thing I've noticed is that I seem to be having more dreams, or at least remembering my dreams, than I did before. Still haven't had the dip dream (that I know of) but I sure am having some weird ones. Guess that's all part of the process...

Stay strong!
I 2nd the fact that the sleep will get better. Shit, we'd all be f'd if it didn't :)

On another note concerning your old pal. I decided early on that I would not compare my Quit to anyone else's. Especially those that are able to Quit without this site. I feel strongly that this is the ONLY way that I am able to remain Quit.

Kind of a "good for those who can do it on their own"...but I like our way and it's the only way for me.
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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2011, 09:29:00 AM »
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Damn, I sure wish my sleep could return to normal. Like clockwork I wake up at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. and wide awake every day now. I used to dip like a fiend before going to bed so could easily understand difficulty sleeping then but I guess my body was trained in that regard and I would sleep like a baby. Now when I'm going to bed clean I don't understand why I can't get a good night's rest. Sure hoping that gets better soon.

Anyway, so I'm in Beaumont, Texas on business and this lawyer bud of mine (who I used to work with at a firm a few years back) happens to also be here on business. We go grab a bite for dinner and I start asking him about his "quit". Back in 2007 when we worked together we decided to quit. The only difference is he followed thru and I just continued the lie. He was schocked I never quit. Anyway, this dude is a beast. He was on the cope for 25 years and was a poster child for nicotine addiction. He would have a dip in and then as soon as he took it out he would immediately throw in his mouth two 4 mg pieces of nicotine gum. When the gum became stale he'd put another dip in. No joke. Anyway, so he decides to quit and does like a mad man...still quit almost 4 years later. He refuses to even find a replacement for the oral fixation - refuses to chew on sunflower seeds or anything. I know I'm truly done and quit this time but damn, I have a hard time not putting something in my mouth. Maybe one day.
Sleep will return to normal. The time frame varies from person to person, but it will come. My first three weeks were pretty ugly but before I knew it I was sleeping much better. One strange thing I've noticed is that I seem to be having more dreams, or at least remembering my dreams, than I did before. Still haven't had the dip dream (that I know of) but I sure am having some weird ones. Guess that's all part of the process...

Stay strong!

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2011, 09:21:00 AM »
Damn, I sure wish my sleep could return to normal. Like clockwork I wake up at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m. and wide awake every day now. I used to dip like a fiend before going to bed so could easily understand difficulty sleeping then but I guess my body was trained in that regard and I would sleep like a baby. Now when I'm going to bed clean I don't understand why I can't get a good night's rest. Sure hoping that gets better soon.

Anyway, so I'm in Beaumont, Texas on business and this lawyer bud of mine (who I used to work with at a firm a few years back) happens to also be here on business. We go grab a bite for dinner and I start asking him about his "quit". Back in 2007 when we worked together we decided to quit. The only difference is he followed thru and I just continued the lie. He was schocked I never quit. Anyway, this dude is a beast. He was on the cope for 25 years and was a poster child for nicotine addiction. He would have a dip in and then as soon as he took it out he would immediately throw in his mouth two 4 mg pieces of nicotine gum. When the gum became stale he'd put another dip in. No joke. Anyway, so he decides to quit and does like a mad man...still quit almost 4 years later. He refuses to even find a replacement for the oral fixation - refuses to chew on sunflower seeds or anything. I know I'm truly done and quit this time but damn, I have a hard time not putting something in my mouth. Maybe one day.

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #72 on: August 08, 2011, 11:23:00 PM »
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Additional therapeutic source other than seeds and gum - listening to Playboy Radio on Sirius - these girls are nice and dirty - easy to forget about dipping when listening to this on open road. (Note: I'm not typing and driving.)
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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #71 on: August 08, 2011, 07:58:00 PM »
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Personal observations or reflections...I find myself constantly eager to tell those in my life how I WAS a 21 year user of nicotine but am now quit for X amount of days. It is odd because while I user I was TOTALLY a closet dipper - even though I went thru a can a day the only people who had personal knowledge of my constant use was my secretary. Maybe a good thing - coming clean to my friends and family possibly helps me keep my word. Do others do this?
I am totally with you on this Aglawyer. I've told my boss, most of the people that work for me, all the guys at the golf course, etc. It is really strange to think about it after I read your post....I do think there is an element of both pride and accountability. My only issue with it has been when I'm telling someone about it as an excuse as to why I'm being an asshole...lol. Great thought and keep it up man!

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Ag...there are a number of us closet or ninja dippers in here. Coming clean to family and friends is huge in your accountability. It was difficult for me to come clean to my wife  kids....and took me a while...but with the support of this group I did and it was totally worth it! Keep up the good work.

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2011, 07:28:00 PM »
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Additional therapeutic source other than seeds and gum - listening to Playboy Radio on Sirius - these girls are nice and dirty - easy to forget about dipping when listening to this on open road. (Note: I'm not typing and driving.)
We know where at least one of your hands are :rolleyes:

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #69 on: August 08, 2011, 07:13:00 PM »
Additional therapeutic source other than seeds and gum - listening to Playboy Radio on Sirius - these girls are nice and dirty - easy to forget about dipping when listening to this on open road. (Note: I'm not typing and driving.)

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #68 on: August 08, 2011, 07:10:00 PM »
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Personal observations or reflections...I find myself constantly eager to tell those in my life how I WAS a 21 year user of nicotine but am now quit for X amount of days.  It is odd because while I user I was TOTALLY a closet dipper - even though I went thru a can a day the only people who had personal knowledge of my constant use was my secretary.  Maybe a good thing - coming clean to my friends and family possibly helps me keep my word. Do others do this?
I am totally with you on this Aglawyer. I've told my boss, most of the people that work for me, all the guys at the golf course, etc. It is really strange to think about it after I read your post....I do think there is an element of both pride and accountability. My only issue with it has been when I'm telling someone about it as an excuse as to why I'm being an asshole...lol. Great thought and keep it up man!

cwca97
Thanks buddy and kudos to you as well for YOUR quit. Keep that up!

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2011, 07:09:00 PM »
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Paul, you got this. I just went thru the same thing. I've been on the road for work for 10 days now and I've been able to do it. If I can stay quit thru this then you got it too.
Everything you've read on this site is what helped me. Post roll every morning. Have your plan in place and use it if you have to. Also enjoy it. I admit it ain't all great, but when the moments that you realize you are free and you can enjoy it, wow, those moments are fantastic.
Thanks for the support. Yeah, everything going cool. I've stopped at 2 gas stations so far along the way and in each one while paying I looked at my nemesis Grizzly and told him and his buddie to suck my dick. Bastards.
Aglawyer - I have had 2 business road trips since I quit in late May. 4+ hour drives in the car. Days in a conference room by myself reviewing dox, etc. All prime dip time. Looks like you are winning. Cussing Nic is liberating. Keep it up. Tell yourself: I do not need that crap to enjoy a nice road trip away from the office. Because the truth is, you absolutely do not need it. JT
Thanks man and yes, I feel like I am WINNING (Charlie Sheen would be proud). So I just stop again and this time I actually articulate to the gal at the cashier how much I despise the cans behind her - tell her I quit. She says, "well if you need any motivators you need to come back here because there is this one guy who buys it here and who after dipping for 6 years has lost part of his lip." Little signs like that help me along.

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2011, 06:13:00 PM »
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Personal observations or reflections...I find myself constantly eager to tell those in my life how I WAS a 21 year user of nicotine but am now quit for X amount of days. It is odd because while I user I was TOTALLY a closet dipper - even though I went thru a can a day the only people who had personal knowledge of my constant use was my secretary. Maybe a good thing - coming clean to my friends and family possibly helps me keep my word. Do others do this?
I am totally with you on this Aglawyer. I've told my boss, most of the people that work for me, all the guys at the golf course, etc. It is really strange to think about it after I read your post....I do think there is an element of both pride and accountability. My only issue with it has been when I'm telling someone about it as an excuse as to why I'm being an asshole...lol. Great thought and keep it up man!

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2011, 06:02:00 PM »
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Paul, you got this. I just went thru the same thing. I've been on the road for work for 10 days now and I've been able to do it. If I can stay quit thru this then you got it too.
Everything you've read on this site is what helped me. Post roll every morning. Have your plan in place and use it if you have to. Also enjoy it. I admit it ain't all great, but when the moments that you realize you are free and you can enjoy it, wow, those moments are fantastic.
Thanks for the support. Yeah, everything going cool. I've stopped at 2 gas stations so far along the way and in each one while paying I looked at my nemesis Grizzly and told him and his buddie to suck my dick. Bastards.
Aglawyer - I have had 2 business road trips since I quit in late May. 4+ hour drives in the car. Days in a conference room by myself reviewing dox, etc. All prime dip time. Looks like you are winning. Cussing Nic is liberating. Keep it up. Tell yourself: I do not need that crap to enjoy a nice road trip away from the office. Because the truth is, you absolutely do not need it. JT
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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »
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Paul, you got this. I just went thru the same thing. I've been on the road for work for 10 days now and I've been able to do it. If I can stay quit thru this then you got it too.
Everything you've read on this site is what helped me. Post roll every morning. Have your plan in place and use it if you have to. Also enjoy it. I admit it ain't all great, but when the moments that you realize you are free and you can enjoy it, wow, those moments are fantastic.
Thanks for the support. Yeah, everything going cool. I've stopped at 2 gas stations so far along the way and in each one while paying I looked at my nemesis Grizzly and told him and his buddie to suck my dick. Bastards.

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2011, 02:25:00 PM »
Paul, you got this. I just went thru the same thing. I've been on the road for work for 10 days now and I've been able to do it. If I can stay quit thru this then you got it too.
Everything you've read on this site is what helped me. Post roll every morning. Have your plan in place and use it if you have to. Also enjoy it. I admit it ain't all great, but when the moments that you realize you are free and you can enjoy it, wow, those moments are fantastic.

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Re: Ahhhh, a good day!
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2011, 01:20:00 PM »
Well I'm getting ready for a big time trigger event - have a business trip that includes about 4-5 hours on the road and then the alone time in the hotel. I use to love these times because it meant that special quality lovefest time between my can of Grizzly and me without interruption or fear of my wife catching me. What a moron. Anyway, I'm not caving, no way no how - I just wanted to articulate the issue here to make me even more accountable - no way I would toss aside the 12 day quit I'm on. So that is my promise - a 4-5 hour drive and nothing will touch my mouth except for sunflower seeds and cinnamon gum...well maybe some snacks along the way if I stop at Bucee's.

Strength to all out there to not quit the quit.

Paul