Ever see that scene from Face Off...

[Tuco]

I bet if I gave you a dull hatchet, you could cut down a 300 year old live oak in under 30 minutes right now. This is a good thing. Hell, you might just want to go try it to get some of that nic rage out.

Two days in and you're starting to face some cold realities. The first of which is that you have been a slave to a can for a long, long time. The second is that you are seeing what direct confrontation between your addict mind and your rational mind looks like. Even now, you say you're only quitting to get your family off your back. If it weren't for them, "precious" would be face-fucking you right now. Either way, the seed has been planted. You know why you're quitting, even if it's mostly obscured behind the constant screaming for some sweet relief in a pinch of cat shit. Let the seedling grow.

Your feelings on yesterday, your past, your lineage to tobacco, all of it is an illusion masked by an addiction to a plant. It's not precious. It's pathetic. The more time and distance you put between yourself and nicotine, the more that view will start to come into focus.

Keep on posting roll. Make it your life's mission. Not because it will help you to feel better, but because it gives you a starting point for that rage you're feeling. Pissed as fuck? Good. Be pissed all you want, but you sure as shit won't let that come between you and your word.

Be pissed that you dug yourself into this deep pit that you now find yourself desperately trying to claw your way out of. Your family didn't put you there. You did. They've been yelling down from the top of the hole for quite a while it sounds like. Well, you finally stopped digging and started climbing. Keep going. Not for them. For you. They couldn't make you quit any more than they could force you to dip. All of this rests upon you.

Soon enough, you will start to feel a little better. Then you'll go back and reread that horseshit about living to 50 being "good enough" and cringe at how firmly this addiction has had you in its clutches.

Until then, keep posting roll. You can do this, because every single person that has replied to this thread has done it and continues to do it. One day at a time.

I'd probably bust myself in the head for as many times as I could lift said axe. Can I check into a coma?

This was helpful. Is there anything I can do now to make this shit stop?

Anything you can do right now to make it stop? Not really. You've just got to embrace the craves as they come and let them pass. Mind over matter. They get a hell of a lot easier to deal with when you put them into proper perspective.

You spent years and years cultivating tiny neuro-receptors in your brain that all fiend for one thing: dopamine. Guess what triggers dopamine? You got it: nicotine.

You've been at those little fucker's beck and call for god knows how long now. Until yesterday, that is.

Unfortunately, there isn't anything you can do that will make it stop. You don't undo all of those years of abuse overnight or even in a month. This shit takes time, and you'll never be cured.

The good news is that there are TONS of substitutes and things that you can use right now that will help to "scratch the itch" without actually feeding your addiction. That whole thing about cost not mattering when it comes to buying dip? Take that attitude and apply it instead towards any/all of the following:

Fake snuff
Sunflower seeds
Gum
Atomic fireballs
Hard candy
Chewing sticks
Water
Mints

There are plenty of reviews on the fake stuff found on the main site. Some folks don't like it, since it's too close to the real thing. Do whatever you think will help you and your quit best. Beyond that, if it doesn't have nic in it, go for it.

Bit by bit, it will get easier. Not because of any magic pill or trick, but because you become stronger every day as your addiction becomes weaker. There's just no substitute for time.

[AngryNickCage]

I bet if I gave you a dull hatchet, you could cut down a 300 year old live oak in under 30 minutes right now. This is a good thing. Hell, you might just want to go try it to get some of that nic rage out.

Two days in and you're starting to face some cold realities. The first of which is that you have been a slave to a can for a long, long time. The second is that you are seeing what direct confrontation between your addict mind and your rational mind looks like. Even now, you say you're only quitting to get your family off your back. If it weren't for them, "precious" would be face-fucking you right now. Either way, the seed has been planted. You know why you're quitting, even if it's mostly obscured behind the constant screaming for some sweet relief in a pinch of cat shit. Let the seedling grow.

Your feelings on yesterday, your past, your lineage to tobacco, all of it is an illusion masked by an addiction to a plant. It's not precious. It's pathetic. The more time and distance you put between yourself and nicotine, the more that view will start to come into focus.

Keep on posting roll. Make it your life's mission. Not because it will help you to feel better, but because it gives you a starting point for that rage you're feeling. Pissed as fuck? Good. Be pissed all you want, but you sure as shit won't let that come between you and your word.

Be pissed that you dug yourself into this deep pit that you now find yourself desperately trying to claw your way out of. Your family didn't put you there. You did. They've been yelling down from the top of the hole for quite a while it sounds like. Well, you finally stopped digging and started climbing. Keep going. Not for them. For you. They couldn't make you quit any more than they could force you to dip. All of this rests upon you.

Soon enough, you will start to feel a little better. Then you'll go back and reread that horseshit about living to 50 being "good enough" and cringe at how firmly this addiction has had you in its clutches.

Until then, keep posting roll. You can do this, because every single person that has replied to this thread has done it and continues to do it. One day at a time.

I'd probably bust myself in the head for as many times as I could lift said axe. Can I check into a coma?

This was helpful. Is there anything I can do now to make this shit stop?

[Tuco]

I bet if I gave you a dull hatchet, you could cut down a 300 year old live oak in under 30 minutes right now. This is a good thing. Hell, you might just want to go try it to get some of that nic rage out.

Two days in and you're starting to face some cold realities. The first of which is that you have been a slave to a can for a long, long time. The second is that you are seeing what direct confrontation between your addict mind and your rational mind looks like. Even now, you say you're only quitting to get your family off your back. If it weren't for them, "precious" would be face-fucking you right now. Either way, the seed has been planted. You know why you're quitting, even if it's mostly obscured behind the constant screaming for some sweet relief in a pinch of cat shit. Let the seedling grow.

Your feelings on yesterday, your past, your lineage to tobacco, all of it is an illusion masked by an addiction to a plant. It's not precious. It's pathetic. The more time and distance you put between yourself and nicotine, the more that view will start to come into focus.

Keep on posting roll. Make it your life's mission. Not because it will help you to feel better, but because it gives you a starting point for that rage you're feeling. Pissed as fuck? Good. Be pissed all you want, but you sure as shit won't let that come between you and your word.

Be pissed that you dug yourself into this deep pit that you now find yourself desperately trying to claw your way out of. Your family didn't put you there. You did. They've been yelling down from the top of the hole for quite a while it sounds like. Well, you finally stopped digging and started climbing. Keep going. Not for them. For you. They couldn't make you quit any more than they could force you to dip. All of this rests upon you.

Soon enough, you will start to feel a little better. Then you'll go back and reread that horseshit about living to 50 being "good enough" and cringe at how firmly this addiction has had you in its clutches.

Until then, keep posting roll. You can do this, because every single person that has replied to this thread has done it and continues to do it. One day at a time.

[Grievous Angel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

(except the dickweeds)

All right we get the rage. We were there. We are raging addicts and couldn't function as decent human beings for the first couple of days, either.

Either way we talk about "brotherhood" here and you're coming in hot like you're on 4chan throwing out insults. Yeah that's par for the course for "the internet" and "internet forums." However this is not some random site--this just might be the most important site you've ever found. It will--literally--change your life if you do your part. Freedom is not nothing. It could also--literally--save your life.

Grow some thicker skin. Be nice. Make friends. You're going to need all the "Brotherhood" and "Accountability" this site has to offer.

Look, I'm not here to be a troll and I've yet to call anyone out specifically, but let's be honest being called "pathetic" and whatnot is grounds for calling a spade a spade, isn't it?

Part of it was in response to your romantic notions with the dip. Romantic notions about how much you loved it, the memories you share with it--that's par for the course for new quitters.

It's also par for the course for vets to jump your ass to correct that thinking.

Thirdly it is further par for the course for you to be defensive about it.

And finally it's fairly par for the course for us to just have it out. So go for it. I got my ass kicked at Day 3.

I just want you to understand how important the folks around here will be in helping YOU make your quit successful.

Check out my intro from 4 years ago man.

The assholes here pissed me off in the first couple days. I mean, come on...I threw the shit out! What else did they expect from me?

It takes more than a decision to quit, and you will laugh one day when you read back on what really irked you when you came here. You'll see what was said, and you'll see why it was said. Now, have some fun. Rage if you need to. But, like GA pointed out, there is a fine line between raging and alienating.

Have you read up on anything in your group? You got a ton of guys going through the same stuff you are right now.

Agreed. Go in October. Share. Get to know. It's been nearly 200 days for me. I remember. But I'm not sure I REMEMBER. Nah mean?

There are guys in there going through the exact shame shit--or are only a week or two removed. Get in there--swap some phone numbers. Start texting them everyday telling them you're quitting for the day--and they will text you back the same thing. Pretty soon you'll not want to let these guys down.

I've got one guy that's texted me nearly 200 damn days straight. You think he's going to let me go a day without out making and honoring my promise? Same for him. Pab . . a "dickweed" . . also texts me every damn day and is also important to my quit. You'll need guys like this.

So head over to October and get in a fight with them. It'll do you good.

[wastepanel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

(except the dickweeds)

All right we get the rage. We were there. We are raging addicts and couldn't function as decent human beings for the first couple of days, either.

Either way we talk about "brotherhood" here and you're coming in hot like you're on 4chan throwing out insults. Yeah that's par for the course for "the internet" and "internet forums." However this is not some random site--this just might be the most important site you've ever found. It will--literally--change your life if you do your part. Freedom is not nothing. It could also--literally--save your life.

Grow some thicker skin. Be nice. Make friends. You're going to need all the "Brotherhood" and "Accountability" this site has to offer.

Look, I'm not here to be a troll and I've yet to call anyone out specifically, but let's be honest being called "pathetic" and whatnot is grounds for calling a spade a spade, isn't it?

Part of it was in response to your romantic notions with the dip. Romantic notions about how much you loved it, the memories you share with it--that's par for the course for new quitters.

It's also par for the course for vets to jump your ass to correct that thinking.

Thirdly it is further par for the course for you to be defensive about it.

And finally it's fairly par for the course for us to just have it out. So go for it. I got my ass kicked at Day 3.

I just want you to understand how important the folks around here will be in helping YOU make your quit successful.

[/quote]Check out my intro from 4 years ago man.

The assholes here pissed me off in the first couple days. I mean, come on...I threw the shit out! What else did they expect from me?

It takes more than a decision to quit, and you will laugh one day when you read back on what really irked you when you came here. You'll see what was said, and you'll see why it was said. Now, have some fun. Rage if you need to. But, like GA pointed out, there is a fine line between raging and alienating.

Have you read up on anything in your group? You got a ton of guys going through the same stuff you are right now.

[Grievous Angel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Back to this. This is likely the worst part of your quit. There will be ups and downs but after 3 days supposedly the nicotine is out of your system. Getting to Day 3 for me was big psychologically--because I knew I had rid myself of nicotine. Now I just had to beat my addict brain. I've been beating it one day at a time for 197 days straight.

I do remember my Day 2 . . speaking of worth it. I spent Day 1 at home. I had a damn fever. Sweats. Just like a damn junkie.

Day 2 I went back to work--don't remember much about that day except for the drive home. Felt like shit. But I had an epiphany and then a wave of euphoria sweep over me on that drive--I was no longer a slave. I was in control, not dip. The world was now my oyster. My life would not be lived between dips. My live wold not be scheduled around dips.

I was a slave, but as shitty as I felt, I was now free.

So yea, I'm telling you this shit is worth it.

FUCKING QUIT.

[Grievous Angel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

(except the dickweeds)

All right we get the rage. We were there. We are raging addicts and couldn't function as decent human beings for the first couple of days, either.

Either way we talk about "brotherhood" here and you're coming in hot like you're on 4chan throwing out insults. Yeah that's par for the course for "the internet" and "internet forums." However this is not some random site--this just might be the most important site you've ever found. It will--literally--change your life if you do your part. Freedom is not nothing. It could also--literally--save your life.

Grow some thicker skin. Be nice. Make friends. You're going to need all the "Brotherhood" and "Accountability" this site has to offer.

Look, I'm not here to be a troll and I've yet to call anyone out specifically, but let's be honest being called "pathetic" and whatnot is grounds for calling a spade a spade, isn't it?

Part of it was in response to your romantic notions with the dip. Romantic notions about how much you loved it, the memories you share with it--that's par for the course for new quitters.

It's also par for the course for vets to jump your ass to correct that thinking.

Thirdly it is further par for the course for you to be defensive about it.

And finally it's fairly par for the course for us to just have it out. So go for it. I got my ass kicked at Day 3.

I just want you to understand how important the folks around here will be in helping YOU make your quit successful.

[AngryNickCage]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

(except the dickweeds)

All right we get the rage. We were there. We are raging addicts and couldn't function as decent human beings for the first couple of days, either.

Either way we talk about "brotherhood" here and you're coming in hot like you're on 4chan throwing out insults. Yeah that's par for the course for "the internet" and "internet forums." However this is not some random site--this just might be the most important site you've ever found. It will--literally--change your life if you do your part. Freedom is not nothing. It could also--literally--save your life.

Grow some thicker skin. Be nice. Make friends. You're going to need all the "Brotherhood" and "Accountability" this site has to offer.

Look, I'm not here to be a troll and I've yet to call anyone out specifically, but let's be honest being called "pathetic" and whatnot is grounds for calling a spade a spade, isn't it?

[Grievous Angel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

My advise is to come on here and post and rant and call us dickweeds. Why? Because I did that too. Take it out on these forums.

Seconded. I talked about insults in my prior post, but we can be rough and tumble too.

We are much better targets than your family.

I only mentioned it early to make sure you get off on the right foot. There's probably a fine line between getting it out of your system and alienating those around you.

But we're prepared and used to it.

So fuck you too.

'na na'

[Thumblewort]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

My advise is to come on here and post and rant and call us dickweeds. Why? Because I did that too. Take it out on these forums.

[Grievous Angel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

(except the dickweeds)

All right we get the rage. We were there. We are raging addicts and couldn't function as decent human beings for the first couple of days, either.

Either way we talk about "brotherhood" here and you're coming in hot like you're on 4chan throwing out insults. Yeah that's par for the course for "the internet" and "internet forums." However this is not some random site--this just might be the most important site you've ever found. It will--literally--change your life if you do your part. Freedom is not nothing. It could also--literally--save your life.

Grow some thicker skin. Be nice. Make friends. You're going to need all the "Brotherhood" and "Accountability" this site has to offer.

[Grievous Angel]

... and miss out on the sweet precious dip

Did you see The Lord of the Rings movies?

Bro... you're Gollum. So wrapped up in your precious that you can't see/won't admit that it's killing you. It's taking everything from you including your self respect and dignity.

Degenerate slavery or true freedom?... Your mindset is the key.

Own and embrace Quit.

This is a fantastic analogy.

Interesting that the thing that can kill us tricks us into believing we loves it. We needs it. It tricks us!

Relevant.

[AngryNickCage]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

Got any advice for when your run of the mill random person comes up and wishes good day, and all you can think about doing is squeezing their head until it oozes the life right out of them?

I really do appreciate the encouragement (except the dickweeds) and the Gollum thing really does resonate. FUCK

[wastepanel]

I posted roll again and I don't feel any better. Tell me this shit is worth it.

Nothing worth doing is easy man.

Roll is your promise not to use. It's going to suck for these first few days, but it is your job to learn the tools to stay quit. Promising yourself is a start, but you still have to fulfill that promise. It's day 2, and day 2 left me punchdrunk by the end of the day. Drink tons of water. Avoid caffeine (You jittery already?). Grab your nuts and sack up my friend.

If this shit was easy, we wouldn't need this site. We'd have all just dropped this shit like bees in a mask. This is a moment by moment battle: some battles will be easier than others. Some are relentless. Be tough, and make some friends here.

You can do this because we are.

[AppleJack]

... and miss out on the sweet precious dip

Did you see The Lord of the Rings movies?

Bro... you're Gollum. So wrapped up in your precious that you can't see/won't admit that it's killing you. It's taking everything from you including your self respect and dignity.

Degenerate slavery or true freedom?... Your mindset is the key.

Own and embrace Quit.