Day one... Again

[Dagranger]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

The ol' addict speak ... it never fails to turn my stomach. Perhaps Jakey is a lost cause, it certainly appears that way. This post is not for him (unless he decides to remove his dome from his sphincter). It's for any potential newbies looking and reading. Here's the thing; NO ONE in your family knows about your addiction better than the collective group that is KTC. It's admirable (and in my opinion a necessity) to lean on your family, and to use them for accountability. However, because they love you unconditionally ... if you fail, they'll pat you on your behind and tell you to try again, and that they love you. Well guess the fuck what ... here at KTC we have CONDITIONAL love for our brothers. First and foremost we expect you to post roll, and then honor your post! WE also expect you to get involved in your group, and get to know the "strangers" and turn them into friends you can count on when you are inches away from finger-banging the nic bitch again. WE will tell you straight-up that you're being a dumb fuck, and explain the rules over and over again if needed to help keep your addiction in check. WE know exactly where you've been, and where you are going. If you fail us and return to your addiction, fire and brimstone will rain down upon you until your foggy head realizes how fucked up this addiction really is! Don't want any of that? Fine, go pound sand. Think a HUGE layer of accountability, tough love and brotherhood may help you kick this shit? Welcome to KTC fuckers ... put your seatbelt on, we've got your back.

Hey Jakev few simple questions here. Not trying to be cute all serious shit after all its your life, what will it hurt to listen, huh? Does your Mom dip? Does she know how it feels to wake up at 2 am craving a dip so bad you're sweating, stomach hurting, shaking, damn near slobbering at the mouth! What's gonna happen when rage hits you hard and you literally wanna kick someone's ass? Sure your family is gonna want to help but by God they're not gonna understand like your brothers in here! Wake up at 1 am need someone help you understand why your throats raw, tongue sore, damn son, brother, nephew whatever you need get to doctor tomorrow! Enough of this what I'm trying to say is I'm a huge family man, been dipping 38 years my son has been dipping about 15 he is the only damn one in my family that has a clue how hard this shit is to quit! It's not his responsibility to talk to Dad at 1am! I'm a grown ass man I take full responsibility for putting this shit in my mouth but I will say I'm not man enough to do this by myself! So Goodluck to you and your family quit but as for me I'm sticking to something I know that's working for me! Remember we're always here and some people like to bust your balls from time to time but hey, it's just words! Do me a favor if you're still quit, truly quit in a month pm me and let me know please! By the way I just took 15 minutes of my life for someone I really don't even know because I give a shit!

Hey Jake I just want to say that some in my family directly enabled me to keep chewing because of that family love. How many intervention shows have you watched where the family supports the addiction. I need these keyboard warriors to stay quit and so do you.

Hey Jake this is your addiction talking. I've been thinking that being accountable for your quit is bad for your family. Does that make any sense? Is coming to this site and posting roll really messing with you being a family man? You can make up whatever lies you want but my guess is you either have quit or are looking to quit, so you are sliding from posting roll here. Being honest with yourself is a big part of quitting, so why don't you take a little time and self assess where you are at....and then come clean. Taking a little shit here is way better than having your lip packed full of poison. Pull it together.

[Harbinger17]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

The ol' addict speak ... it never fails to turn my stomach. Perhaps Jakey is a lost cause, it certainly appears that way. This post is not for him (unless he decides to remove his dome from his sphincter). It's for any potential newbies looking and reading. Here's the thing; NO ONE in your family knows about your addiction better than the collective group that is KTC. It's admirable (and in my opinion a necessity) to lean on your family, and to use them for accountability. However, because they love you unconditionally ... if you fail, they'll pat you on your behind and tell you to try again, and that they love you. Well guess the fuck what ... here at KTC we have CONDITIONAL love for our brothers. First and foremost we expect you to post roll, and then honor your post! WE also expect you to get involved in your group, and get to know the "strangers" and turn them into friends you can count on when you are inches away from finger-banging the nic bitch again. WE will tell you straight-up that you're being a dumb fuck, and explain the rules over and over again if needed to help keep your addiction in check. WE know exactly where you've been, and where you are going. If you fail us and return to your addiction, fire and brimstone will rain down upon you until your foggy head realizes how fucked up this addiction really is! Don't want any of that? Fine, go pound sand. Think a HUGE layer of accountability, tough love and brotherhood may help you kick this shit? Welcome to KTC fuckers ... put your seatbelt on, we've got your back.

Hey Jakev few simple questions here. Not trying to be cute all serious shit after all its your life, what will it hurt to listen, huh? Does your Mom dip? Does she know how it feels to wake up at 2 am craving a dip so bad you're sweating, stomach hurting, shaking, damn near slobbering at the mouth! What's gonna happen when rage hits you hard and you literally wanna kick someone's ass? Sure your family is gonna want to help but by God they're not gonna understand like your brothers in here! Wake up at 1 am need someone help you understand why your throats raw, tongue sore, damn son, brother, nephew whatever you need get to doctor tomorrow! Enough of this what I'm trying to say is I'm a huge family man, been dipping 38 years my son has been dipping about 15 he is the only damn one in my family that has a clue how hard this shit is to quit! It's not his responsibility to talk to Dad at 1am! I'm a grown ass man I take full responsibility for putting this shit in my mouth but I will say I'm not man enough to do this by myself! So Goodluck to you and your family quit but as for me I'm sticking to something I know that's working for me! Remember we're always here and some people like to bust your balls from time to time but hey, it's just words! Do me a favor if you're still quit, truly quit in a month pm me and let me know please! By the way I just took 15 minutes of my life for someone I really don't even know because I give a shit!

Hey Jake I just want to say that some in my family directly enabled me to keep chewing because of that family love. How many intervention shows have you watched where the family supports the addiction. I need these keyboard warriors to stay quit and so do you.

[pab1964]

Jakev you need to read every damn one of these post! Sounds to me like everyone here gives a shit about you to me sounds like my kind of family! Man up! Grow up whatever you gotta do but get in here and stay with us! I've done everything but beg you and if I thought it would help I'd do it!

[dalrich]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

Run to your family? Seriously? My family is the LAST place I'd run. I'll tell you why....

My wife is so SICK AND TIRED or hearing about how I'm going to quit; so sick of dealing with my ups and downs, and I don't blame her a bit! She doesn't deserve to have to deal with my addictions...

How many times do I want to put my children through this? They know the risks of tobacco use. "My dad is trying to quit" versus "My dad quit". Which kid would you want to be?

If your family is like most, they're going to sympathize with you, and coddle you, like a defenseless child who isn't held accountable for the decisions he makes. Your family didn't create this problem did they? Why put it on them? When you fail, will it be your fault, or theirs?

You really need to reconsider your thought process. Your family? They're going to save you? Save yourself. You got yourself into this... does your family know that you're a nic addict? Did they watch you dip? Did they let you spend your money on dip? Did they ENABLE you to? How can they possibly help you?

KTC may not be the answer for you, but be assured, your family isn't either....

[Natro]

Hey jake, I know exactly where your coming from. I thought this site was dumb when I started. Why would I want to talk with a bunch of strangers about my addiction to dip? I posted for a few days and read a bunch, then I noticed that others were getting to know eachother and having fun trying to quit dipping. So I took the leap, I asked my group if there was a text group I could join. Fast forward till now. I'm 106 days quit and those strangers in that text group are great friends. All I can say is that this site works and you might just end up with some good friends in the process.

[Roy]

Hi Jake!! My screen name is Roy, but my real name is... yep, Roy. No secrets here. I live in Augusta, GA... married... 3 kids... and dipped for more than 20 years until I found KTC (about 6 months ago).

For the past 176 days I have been dip free and I have the accountability and brotherhood I found at KTC to be the trick. I have tried numerous times in the past using family and even church friends for support, but many of them just didn't "get" it. It is hard for a non-addict to understand addiction.

Listen, no one can force you to do anything you don't want to do, I'm just sharing with you what has worked for me! Please don't hesitate to shoot me a text or even give me a call if you have any questions. I sent you a PM with my digits.

It's time to get busy livin' or get busy dyin'!! The choice is yours!

[pab1964]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

The ol' addict speak ... it never fails to turn my stomach. Perhaps Jakey is a lost cause, it certainly appears that way. This post is not for him (unless he decides to remove his dome from his sphincter). It's for any potential newbies looking and reading. Here's the thing; NO ONE in your family knows about your addiction better than the collective group that is KTC. It's admirable (and in my opinion a necessity) to lean on your family, and to use them for accountability. However, because they love you unconditionally ... if you fail, they'll pat you on your behind and tell you to try again, and that they love you. Well guess the fuck what ... here at KTC we have CONDITIONAL love for our brothers. First and foremost we expect you to post roll, and then honor your post! WE also expect you to get involved in your group, and get to know the "strangers" and turn them into friends you can count on when you are inches away from finger-banging the nic bitch again. WE will tell you straight-up that you're being a dumb fuck, and explain the rules over and over again if needed to help keep your addiction in check. WE know exactly where you've been, and where you are going. If you fail us and return to your addiction, fire and brimstone will rain down upon you until your foggy head realizes how fucked up this addiction really is! Don't want any of that? Fine, go pound sand. Think a HUGE layer of accountability, tough love and brotherhood may help you kick this shit? Welcome to KTC fuckers ... put your seatbelt on, we've got your back.

Hey Jakev few simple questions here. Not trying to be cute all serious shit after all its your life, what will it hurt to listen, huh? Does your Mom dip? Does she know how it feels to wake up at 2 am craving a dip so bad you're sweating, stomach hurting, shaking, damn near slobbering at the mouth! What's gonna happen when rage hits you hard and you literally wanna kick someone's ass? Sure your family is gonna want to help but by God they're not gonna understand like your brothers in here! Wake up at 1 am need someone help you understand why your throats raw, tongue sore, damn son, brother, nephew whatever you need get to doctor tomorrow! Enough of this what I'm trying to say is I'm a huge family man, been dipping 38 years my son has been dipping about 15 he is the only damn one in my family that has a clue how hard this shit is to quit! It's not his responsibility to talk to Dad at 1am! I'm a grown ass man I take full responsibility for putting this shit in my mouth but I will say I'm not man enough to do this by myself! So Goodluck to you and your family quit but as for me I'm sticking to something I know that's working for me! Remember we're always here and some people like to bust your balls from time to time but hey, it's just words! Do me a favor if you're still quit, truly quit in a month pm me and let me know please! By the way I just took 15 minutes of my life for someone I really don't even know because I give a shit!

[Smeds]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

The ol' addict speak ... it never fails to turn my stomach. Perhaps Jakey is a lost cause, it certainly appears that way. This post is not for him (unless he decides to remove his dome from his sphincter). It's for any potential newbies looking and reading. Here's the thing; NO ONE in your family knows about your addiction better than the collective group that is KTC. It's admirable (and in my opinion a necessity) to lean on your family, and to use them for accountability. However, because they love you unconditionally ... if you fail, they'll pat you on your behind and tell you to try again, and that they love you. Well guess the fuck what ... here at KTC we have CONDITIONAL love for our brothers. First and foremost we expect you to post roll, and then honor your post! WE also expect you to get involved in your group, and get to know the "strangers" and turn them into friends you can count on when you are inches away from finger-banging the nic bitch again. WE will tell you straight-up that you're being a dumb fuck, and explain the rules over and over again if needed to help keep your addiction in check. WE know exactly where you've been, and where you are going. If you fail us and return to your addiction, fire and brimstone will rain down upon you until your foggy head realizes how fucked up this addiction really is! Don't want any of that? Fine, go pound sand. Think a HUGE layer of accountability, tough love and brotherhood may help you kick this shit? Welcome to KTC fuckers ... put your seatbelt on, we've got your back.

[Smeds]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

The ol' addict speak ... it never fails to turn my stomach. Perhaps Jakey is a lost cause, it certainly appears that way. This post is not for him (unless he decides to remove his dome from his sphincter). It's for any potential newbies looking and reading. Here's the thing; NO ONE in your family knows about your addiction better than the collective group that is KTC. It's admirable (and in my opinion a necessity) to lean on your family, and to use them for accountability. However, because they love you unconditionally ... if you fail, they'll pat you on your behind and tell you to try again, and that they love you. Well guess the fuck what ... here at KTC we have CONDITIONAL love for our brothers. First and foremost we expect you to post roll, and then honor your post! WE also expect you to get involved in your group, and get to know the "strangers" and turn them into friends you can count on when you are inches away from finger-banging the nic bitch again. WE will tell you straight-up that you're being a dumb fuck, and explain the rules over and over again to help keep your addiction in check. WE know exactly where you've been, and where you are going. If you fail us and return to your addiction, fire and brimstone will rain down upon you until your foggy head realizes how fucked up this addiction really is! Don't want any of that? Fine, go pound sand. Think a HUGE layer of accountability, tough love and brotherhood may help you kick this shit? Welcome to KTC fuckers ... put your seatbelt on, we've got your back.

[Grady]

This is to: Erick, B-Lo Matt, Awkwood, Pab, Dagranger, Jeff, Scowick, Stat,

Quitters, I felt that since you all attempted to reach out and help this wannabe, I should inform you that Jakey has decided that KTC isn't for him.

I usually don't share PM's because they are written in confidence but I figure since this kid has chosen a different path, that his feelings don't really fuckin matter to me.

Fella's I just wanted to let you know that Jake has decided that, " It's all accountability to some of you guys but it's fucking insane to me to think that this is you're main crutch to staying quit." " I've realized that the most important thing I can ever do in life is run to my family if I have a problem and need help. It's a sad excuse when so many people have to trust strangers they've never met before when they have people that would lay their lives down in order to help out. That's what blood does and if you can't get help from you're actual family members on an addiction then I feel sorry for you. I for myself would rather spend time with family then waste my day away looking to make sure I've posted roll or that I wasn't put on blast. Thanks for your time but some of you guys are a bit to irate about certain things that I personally dis agree with the way it's being handled."

Now normally after 3 or 4 PM's I would just move on and lend a hand to another a new quitter that gets it but it appears that Jakey has still been logging in everyday. So, in that case maybe you all have a few departing words for him? Stay quit my brothers!

[pab1964]

Get your ass back in here! You can't do this alone!

[Grady]

Jake, where the hell are you? You've logged in for the past 2 days but haven't posted roll, WHY?

[Jakev]

Thanks everyone been doing really good lately trying to stay busy with tasks as much as I can. Today was my first time in 5 years that I've been able to go on a hunting trip with out a chew; I didn't have a single craving while out there and it felt great

[Stat]

Way to jump in on the program. A bunch of us are proud of you because, in part, for many of us, you are about the age of our kids.

I found that exercise was a big help during my early quit days. In the middle of the day, I would do sets of push-ups or dips or take a walk or whatever.

In addition, fake dip helps with strong cravings. I found some (Smokey Mountain) at Walmart. You can also order it online.

[Grady]

Jake, upper right hand corner of your screen, you have a couple of PM's in your inbox!