Finally decided to quit

[niwot]

Scrofford--I am iggnorant thanks for noticing- you are a pussy who is still in love with nicotine.

I require 2 things from new quitters:

-be committed- we can tell by your language you aren't
- allow yourself to surrender to something bigger than you.

When CD says "quit now"

Your response should be "you're right, thanks, I just threw my lozenges away"

Instead you resist because you live in fear of quitting and you like attention.

I accept NRT's as long as the person has the right attitude..most of them see the light and throw them out quickly...you are just delaying the enevitable. DAY #3!!!

When I told you that you were not strong enough to be here I was hoping the Badass Quitter in you would come out and respond "Fuck you Niwot- I'll show you"

Thus the "X" of Extreme.

You see, to me this is a job interview- I would love to see you here with a big attitude and reach the HOF and beyond because it makes us all stronger- another success story!! I need a fellow quitter not a High-maintenance pussy that is posting now!

So, in closing, as of now you are a bitch to nicotine and resist the "Support" we are providing. So go do it your way, I'm sure your people you can see and talk to have a lot of experience quitting Dip!

Come back and come HEAVY- with a quit or die attitude and a lot of humility and I will post next to you everyday.

Ignorant- yes!!

[chewie]

I will post one more thing....I have a very sincere question and if it can be answered sincerely, I think it will help not only me but other people. My question is this:

If someone is using an NRT to step down from either chewing or smoking, why is that such a problem IF they are using the NRT according to the directions? Yes I know nicotine is the bitch that needs to be overcome, BUT, if someone uses an NRT and has sincerely quit the other habit, how is that so bad?

There are so many more chemicals in the chew or cigarettes that can kill you. I understand that a lot of people think that it will cause a relapse to use the NRT, but if someone REALLY IS SINCERE about quitting and never wants to touch chew again, isn't it better to use the NRT if he or she feels they need it? (ALL THE TOUGH GUY SHIT ASIDE.)

I have gone without any nic before when I tried to quit in the past. I failed. I also failed once AFTER being off an NRT for a number of days. Call Bullshit if you want, but WHEN I FAILED THAT TIME, I HAD NO CRAVING UNTIL I GOT HIT WITH A HEAVY PAIN KILLER.I think it had to do with my thinking process....I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT! I was looking for an excuse to hit the copenshit again. This time I do REALLY WANT TO QUIT! It scares the living hell out of me to even think about taking another dip....EVER! So you people who don't think I am serious don't know me.

I am going to talk to my doc about the NRT. My own dad who quit smoking cold turkey years ago because of a heart attack told me it might be better for me to use an NRT. Anyways, that is my question and my feelings. Take care.

Steve

I will answer your question sincerely... realize that this is one man's opinion. Also, this is not the opinion of "admin chewie" this is the opinion of "quitter chewie".

If someone is using an NRT to step down from either chewing or smoking, why is that such a problem IF they are using the NRT according to the directions?

It's not. I have no problem with someone posting roll using this method. In fact one of my fellow October 2006 members did just this and still posts roll daily. He was successful. However he is in the minority. The VAST majority of people who use NRTs fail. We know this because we've seen it time and time again. We believe that the BEST way to quit is the cold turkey method because as you say you will never be truly free until you are nic free.

but if someone REALLY IS SINCERE about quitting and never wants to touch chew again, isn't it better to use the NRT if he or she feels they need it?

Maybe. Maybe not. You are an addict. I am an addict. The difference is you are an ACTIVE addict and I'm a QUIT addict. I'm not saying this to be disparaging but to point out the difference between us. You have nicotine flowing through your body (no matter how little). Your mind will allow you to rationalize any way to continue the flow of nic to it. That said, your body will always tell you that you NEED the nic - hence your addiction.

I have gone without any nic before when I tried to quit in the past. I failed. I also failed once AFTER being off an NRT for a number of days. Call Bullshit if you want, but WHEN I FAILED THAT TIME, I HAD NO CRAVING UNTIL I GOT HIT WITH A HEAVY PAIN KILLER.

I don't know the circumstances about your previous quits. I can pretty much guarantee that you never had a support system place like this site. If I had to guess I'd say your previous failure had more to do with the lack of support and commitment than it did with NRT.

I am going to talk to my doc about the NRT. My own dad who quit smoking cold turkey years ago because of a heart attack told me it might be better for me to use an NRT.

Is your dad a doctor? Why would his opinion of NRTs hold any more weight than a doctor (or us for that matter)? Either way, I think it's great that you're talking to your doc.

Stick around - regardless of your rocky start with the site I think we've proven that we CARE about your quit. Personally I'd like to see you stick it through and I'll be damn glad to see you hit the hall.

Time will tell.

chewie

[ahfull]

Everyone is so fucking EXTREME!!!!! 'crackup'

I'm quit. 63 days. And that's all I have to say about that.

[scrofford]

I think I am not going to come here anymore. I have people in my life right now that are holding me accountable. People who I know and can see and can really talk to.

Are they really going to hold you accountable? Or are they going to tell you its all right you will do better next time after you cave? Oh shit you havent even quit yet and you probably never will because you dont have the balls to listen to the people that know what the fuck they are talking about.

You are lying to me and everyone else when you post roll and its starting to piss me off. There is a reason its called QSXtreme and you have found out why.

Why dont you come back after you get rid of the NRT's and post day 1 roll, you will be welcomed like a real quitter and the "harassment" might stop.

Hey Fomo - how 'bout garnering a 2nd green dot before you tell a sincere quitter that they are a liar and probably will never quit or will most likely cave? Especially when they haven't had a chew in 6 days.

Extreme has officially taken a nosedive towards blind idiocy.

Sorry Smokeyg I didnt read the rule about the green dots. I thought this site was about quitting Nicotine? All he did was change the method of delivery. As stated all over this site NRT's dont have a very good success rate and most people that try them regret wasting the money.

I apologize for not doing more research on the fact that posting roll while on a NRT program is allowed. But that does not change my opinion.

I know if he walks away from KTC he has a much greater chance of caving. I hope the Doc gives him the OK so he can get on with it already.

Dude why don't you talk to me and read my post below? I got pissed off enough to stay here for another minute!

[Fomocosho]

I think I am not going to come here anymore. I have people in my life right now that are holding me accountable. People who I know and can see and can really talk to.

Are they really going to hold you accountable? Or are they going to tell you its all right you will do better next time after you cave? Oh shit you havent even quit yet and you probably never will because you dont have the balls to listen to the people that know what the fuck they are talking about.

You are lying to me and everyone else when you post roll and its starting to piss me off. There is a reason its called QSXtreme and you have found out why.

Why dont you come back after you get rid of the NRT's and post day 1 roll, you will be welcomed like a real quitter and the "harassment" might stop.

Hey Fomo - how 'bout garnering a 2nd green dot before you tell a sincere quitter that they are a liar and probably will never quit or will most likely cave? Especially when they haven't had a chew in 6 days.

Extreme has officially taken a nosedive towards blind idiocy.

Sorry Smokeyg I didnt read the rule about the green dots. I thought this site was about quitting Nicotine? All he did was change the method of delivery. As stated all over this site NRT's dont have a very good success rate and most people that try them regret wasting the money.

I apologize for not doing more research on the fact that posting roll while on a NRT program is allowed. But that does not change my opinion.

I know if he walks away from KTC he has a much greater chance of caving. I hope the Doc gives him the OK so he can get on with it already.

[scrofford]

I will post one more thing....I have a very sincere question and if it can be answered sincerely, I think it will help not only me but other people. My question is this:

If someone is using an NRT to step down from either chewing or smoking, why is that such a problem IF they are using the NRT according to the directions? Yes I know nicotine is the bitch that needs to be overcome, BUT, if someone uses an NRT and has sincerely quit the other habit, how is that so bad?

There are so many more chemicals in the chew or cigarettes that can kill you. I understand that a lot of people think that it will cause a relapse to use the NRT, but if someone REALLY IS SINCERE about quitting and never wants to touch chew again, isn't it better to use the NRT if he or she feels they need it? (ALL THE TOUGH GUY SHIT ASIDE.)

I have gone without any nic before when I tried to quit in the past. I failed. I also failed once AFTER being off an NRT for a number of days. Call Bullshit if you want, but WHEN I FAILED THAT TIME, I HAD NO CRAVING UNTIL I GOT HIT WITH A HEAVY PAIN KILLER.I think it had to do with my thinking process....I DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT! I was looking for an excuse to hit the copenshit again. This time I do REALLY WANT TO QUIT! It scares the living hell out of me to even think about taking another dip....EVER! So you people who don't think I am serious don't know me.

I am going to talk to my doc about the NRT. My own dad who quit smoking cold turkey years ago because of a heart attack told me it might be better for me to use an NRT. Anyways, that is my question and my feelings. Take care.

Steve

[Smokeyg]

I think I am not going to come here anymore. I have people in my life right now that are holding me accountable. People who I know and can see and can really talk to.

Are they really going to hold you accountable? Or are they going to tell you its all right you will do better next time after you cave? Oh shit you havent even quit yet and you probably never will because you dont have the balls to listen to the people that know what the fuck they are talking about.

You are lying to me and everyone else when you post roll and its starting to piss me off. There is a reason its called QSXtreme and you have found out why.

Why dont you come back after you get rid of the NRT's and post day 1 roll, you will be welcomed like a real quitter and the "harassment" might stop.

Hey Fomo - how 'bout garnering a 2nd green dot before you tell a sincere quitter that they are a liar and probably will never quit or will most likely cave? Especially when they haven't had a chew in 6 days.

Extreme has officially taken a nosedive towards blind idiocy.

[Fomocosho]

I think I am not going to come here anymore. I have people in my life right now that are holding me accountable. People who I know and can see and can really talk to.

Are they really going to hold you accountable? Or are they going to tell you its all right you will do better next time after you cave? Oh shit you havent even quit yet and you probably never will because you dont have the balls to listen to the people that know what the fuck they are talking about.

You are lying to me and everyone else when you post roll and its starting to piss me off. There is a reason its called QSXtreme and you have found out why.

Why dont you come back after you get rid of the NRT's and post day 1 roll, you will be welcomed like a real quitter and the "harassment" might stop.

[Smokeyg]

You guys do realize that he is talking to his doctor on Monday about cutting nicotine out of his life altogether? Put yourself in his shoes. Who would you listen to between now and Monday - your doctor or a bunch of shitfucks like us?

Have a little patience before you start condemning the fact that he has quit chewing tobacco.

Day One of his Intro Page was a hoot, but now it's just starting to sound like a bunch of holier than thou cynics.

Call me a hypocrite if you want, but how does telling a person (who has publicly stated that he is planning on quitting nicotine all together after a further discussion with his doctor) that "you are not strong enough to quit with this group" and "you won't make it a hundred days without nic" supposed to help him in his quest?

This discussion is an eye opener for me :blink: king of the holier than thou assholes. We are all actual people trying to make real improvements in our lives and we deserve to be treated as such

100% sincerity

Whatd'ya think - is Smokeyg officially QSlite material? 'help'

[JpCrew]

When quitting chewing, you actually need to quit 2 things.

1 - The oral fixation of putting somethign in yoru mouth and "Chewing" on something.

2 - Nicotine.

You have quit #1. Congratulations. you're half way there. You stopped putting something in your mouth. aka "chewing"

You need to quit the rest fo the way and STOP putting nicotine into your body.

Thats all these guys are saying. Stop putting nicotine into yoru body. You CAN do it. DO IT today. right now.

and tell you wife hello from me.

[cdforecheck]

good luck...you won't make a hundred days without nic...can't do one yet

[scrofford]

Ya know I think I made a mistake coming here. Not because I have any desire to go back to the shit can, but because of the BULLSHIT harassment I am receiving about NRT's. My wife thinks you all are a bunch of control freak fuckheads and I am beginning to think so myself.

I think I am not going to come here anymore. I have people in my life right now that are holding me accountable. People who I know and can see and can really talk to. I am done with this. After 100 days I will come back and tell you how I did. Until then I don't need this bullshit. 'Finger'

[cdforecheck]

oh when they pull out the chest tubes they make a really neat whistling sound...and {this is really cool} your chest hurts so bad right after surgery that you can't take a full breath on your own so you are on a ventillator and when you are awake it makes you feel like you aren't breathing so you panic...also, pneumonia after it is common...and one more nugget, you can't wipe your own ass because you can't bend over....

fun stuff..i'll share more until you either shit or get off the pot

[scrofford]

You are not strong enough to quit with this group............Nicotine is a motherfucker to quit..................you better come HEAVY....get pissed and make the choice.............we all have!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What an ignorant statement! Typical of the dumb shit mentality of some people who walk into a room in the middle of a conversation and have no idea what they are talking about. I don't care how long you have been here...looks like for a while, I am not chewing and if you don't like the fact of me using NRT's tough shit pal. Fuck I'm tired of people making stupid ass statements like the one above! You aren't me asshole and so piss off ok?

[Gump]

my "cards" are that i continued to damage my heart even though i knew full well that nicotine causes heart damage, i had open-heart surgey to remove a large piece of my heart muscle that was interferring with blood flow to the rest of my body at 23, died 7 times and was brought back, have had 3 aicd's implanted, have a host of rhythm problems that almost required me to go on disability because i couldn't stay in rhythm long enough to work, i can't walk a flight of stairs quickly because i can't let my heart rate go above 90 bps; yet with all that i still used a product {nicotine, in gum(3 week failed quit) or tobacco form(26 years minus 3 weeks)}, knowing all of that i still freaking used. so when i see you are concerned about heart damage by coming off nicotine you just seem to be making excuses to continue putting nicotine into your body. thanks scroff this is what has finally made me open this up to everyone, now i feel even more free, but i am still calling bullshit 'loot04'

Those are the cards I was talking about, Scrofford. I've read every post in this thread, each day, and have tried to keep positive, as I'm not one to join in the bashing.

We're all here because we're nicotine addicts. We're not dip addicts, or chew addicts, or smoking addicts....we're addicted to nicotine.

And we're here to quit feeding our addiction, and to remain quit, forever.

CD has quit using nicotine completely, and has a lengthy history of heart problems. He knows better than most everyone else the experience of a nicotine addict with heart problems. From what you've described about yourself, his experience both in using nicotine (with a heart condition) and in quitting nicotine (with a heart condition) far exceeds your own level of experience.

This man is telling you how to do it. He knows how. He's done it. It's up to you, but you might consider what he has to say.