Finally decided to quit

[niwot]

You are not strong enough to quit with this group............Nicotine is a motherfucker to quit..................you better come HEAVY....get pissed and make the choice.............we all have!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smokeyg]

And how come you are so interested in how my doctor's visit goes smokeyg? I am just curious. The main reason for my doc appointment has nothing to do with chew or nic or nrt's. I just am going to talk to her about it in detail and find out what she thinks I should do. Although I am hoping to be off the NRT by Monday.

Well, I guess the reason that I am so interested in your doctor appointment is that I would like to hold you accountable to your word.

You have stated that you are going to speak to your doctor about NOT using NRTs on Nov. 9th. I am very interested to hear if your doctor still believes that completely dropping nicotine is a bad idea for your heart. If she does, I am even more interested as to "why" she feels that. It is a subject I have much interest in.

If she provides a scientifically sound explanation why you should stick with the lozenges, then more power to you.

If she thinks it's just a "good idea" even though you have been steadily weaning yourself down... well, the way I see it, you will be 100% free of nicotine from that moment forward since your only perceived hesitancy to quit the lozenge is related to your heart issues.

You are quit from Poopenhagen and that is awesome. I am living vicariously through your quit potential. However, I don't enjoy living vicariously through "I hopes" and "I thinks". I need assurance and a strong plan. November 9th seems to be the day that will happen - one way or another.

[russjns]

Listen to CD. The guy is WELL versed in the world of heart issues. And he is HOF quit! And then some! He could be your greatest ally on this site....I would utilize him! It's all about being quit. Get there!

[flash]

Hey Scruffy, this site is built on support. Some people, however, don't know support if it bit them on the ass. Support is not telling you what you want to hear and tickling your balls while we do it. Support is believing passionately in what we do and the people we do it for. If anyone on this site didn't believe in what they were doing and how this thing works, they wouldn't waste their time with it.

Trust me and everyone who you seem to think is against you...this shit works and is the only way to go. I quit 12 times with the patch, 6 times with the gum and 5 times with the lozenge. Can you see a pattern? Yeah, I did without dip, but I didn't do without nicotine.

At first I thought this was all bullshit, but it is real. You will not find a more effective means of quitting, as long as you are willing to man up. Believe me, I would want nothing more for you right now than to throw that useless crap away. I believe in this as does everyone who is trying to get through to you.

[Volp]

Hey Scrofford. First off, I'd like to welcome you and say congrats on tossing your dip. Great move. I'm a little slow, both mentally and to the party. I've tried to read most of your intro but I admit I haven't read everything so forgive me if I'm off base here. I know absolutely nuts about NRT but if these guys tell you it's true, by fucking god it's true. I hate to admit it but even Smokey knows what he's talking about most of the time. Did I miss the medical condition that ails you? Or are you like 99% of us out here, old, out of shape, mid-aged addicts. Have you been diagnosed with some sort of backwards ass, Bizzaro World circulatory system. One that does the complete opposite of a normal system when exposure to stimulants is denied. I'm not trying to be ignorant, I just can't see anyone's heart going all irregular and junk when going cold turkey. Yeah, anxiety and stress, but an irregular heart beat? Hmmm.
CD has gone through some tough shit and all his incredible insight to a very similar problem to yours is all there for the taking. And he might just turn out to be the brother who can help you the most out here. We're all rooting for you to beat this shit. That's what we do. Let us know what the doctor says, will ya?
I understand rage and bitching as much as anyone so if you don't receive my post as positive, cool. I can take it. Hang tough.

[RAZD611]

SMOKEY, I wish you dad the best in his quit. I watched my father try to quit many times before he was able to make it stick. (Its funny how the angle of death will solidify a quit in a hurry). I hope the best for your father.

[cdforecheck]

she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

ol ticker....worrying about irregular heart beats...hate to break it to you but the shit you are worried about is called heart damage, fucker, don't ever fucking discount what in the hell i have lived through..i am trying to support you but you have got so much shit up your ass that you can't even see straight...let me know how good those chest tubes being pulled out after heart surgery feel...

[CaseyG]

Scroffy - obviously all of the "bullshit" has faded away, so tell us - what's the current plan with the lozenges?  Still thinking abstractly or do you have a nicotine quit date picked out?  Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential heart problems you mentioned in your first post?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Inquiring minds want to hold you.......accountable.

I go and see my doc on Nov 9th. I will be talking more with her about NOT using the NRT. If she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

I have not used much of the NRT today. Maybe its because I have been extremely busy with working on my website. Anyway, I really don't see me using any NRT past the beginning of next week. How does that slap ya sexy? :P

Good stuff sweetmeat. Hope all goes well.

Congrats on your quit so far.

My dad stopped smoking 9 days ago. He's using the patch. I will give him some other things to consider to keep the quit at the forefront once his support class ends.

i have to call BULLSHIT here

dude i am the king of irregular heartbeats...pvc's, a-flutter, a-fib, v-tach, v-fib, long qrs, left bundle branch block, right bundle branch block...how in gods green earth do you think nic can help arrythmias? my EP was ecstatic when i told him i quit and did by cold turkey he said nic is a stimulant and can CAUSE abnormal heart beat not prevent them...see the electrophsyiologist and then tell me that they recomend nic

sorry but arrhythmia research doesn't support you on this one

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:T4 ... clnkgl=us

-or-

http://remotehealthatlas.nt.gov.au/nico ... otocol.pdf

Finally, Curt! Damn, I was wondering if you'd ever show the man your cards! He needed to hear it...and from you.

You were wondering if he would ever show me his cards? What does that mean? By the way, It's Day 6 for me and I am doing well! What's everyone planning on doing this weekend?

Same as usual quitting!! Then I will go from there!! I have a plan do you??

Who are you? That comment wasn't even made toward you. I was talking "Gump"....Whatever dude

I'm going to be eagerly looking forward to one of two things:

a) how your doctor visit goes on Monday

B) hearing from you how being 100% nicotine free feels

I am a quitter and I am on this site just like you. You asked what everyone was doing this weekend so I told you. Smoky / CD I'm with you guys. The longer he uses the NRT's the longer it is before he really quits. I too would like to know how being 100% nic free feels in his opinion. I know how it feels. 100% free for 109 days. I feels GRRRRRRRRREAT!!

[scrofford]

my "cards" are that i continued to damage my heart even though i knew full well that nicotine causes heart damage, i had open-heart surgey to remove a large piece of my heart muscle that was interferring with blood flow to the rest of my body at 23, died 7 times and was brought back, have had 3 aicd's implanted, have a host of rhythm problems that almost required me to go on disability because i couldn't stay in rhythm long enough to work, i can't walk a flight of stairs quickly because i can't let my heart rate go above 90 bps; yet with all that i still used a product {nicotine, in gum(3 week failed quit) or tobacco form(26 years minus 3 weeks)}, knowing all of that i still freaking used. so when i see you are concerned about heart damage by coming off nicotine you just seem to be making excuses to continue putting nicotine into your body. thanks scroff this is what has finally made me open this up to everyone, now i feel even more free, but i am still calling bullshit 'loot04'

Let's get something perfectly straight....I never said I was concerned about "heart damage". Not once did I say that. I said irregular heartbeats which in turn have caused me some other problems in the past.

The fact is you can call bullshit to anything you want. I really could care less. As long as I am off of the chew and following the directions for the NRT, (which incidently I am using less than the recommended) I am fine with it. I don't give a shit if you are fine with it. It is my quit. Be supportive or don't. It's up to you.

[cdforecheck]

my "cards" are that i continued to damage my heart even though i knew full well that nicotine causes heart damage, i had open-heart surgey to remove a large piece of my heart muscle that was interferring with blood flow to the rest of my body at 23, died 7 times and was brought back, have had 3 aicd's implanted, have a host of rhythm problems that almost required me to go on disability because i couldn't stay in rhythm long enough to work, i can't walk a flight of stairs quickly because i can't let my heart rate go above 90 bps; yet with all that i still used a product {nicotine, in gum(3 week failed quit) or tobacco form(26 years minus 3 weeks)}, knowing all of that i still freaking used. so when i see you are concerned about heart damage by coming off nicotine you just seem to be making excuses to continue putting nicotine into your body. thanks scroff this is what has finally made me open this up to everyone, now i feel even more free, but i am still calling bullshit 'loot04'

[scrofford]

And how come you are so interested in how my doctor's visit goes smokeyg? I am just curious. The main reason for my doc appointment has nothing to do with chew or nic or nrt's. I just am going to talk to her about it in detail and find out what she thinks I should do. Although I am hoping to be off the NRT by Monday.

[Smokeyg]

Scroffy - obviously all of the "bullshit" has faded away, so tell us - what's the current plan with the lozenges?  Still thinking abstractly or do you have a nicotine quit date picked out?  Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential heart problems you mentioned in your first post?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Inquiring minds want to hold you.......accountable.

I go and see my doc on Nov 9th. I will be talking more with her about NOT using the NRT. If she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

I have not used much of the NRT today. Maybe its because I have been extremely busy with working on my website. Anyway, I really don't see me using any NRT past the beginning of next week. How does that slap ya sexy? :P

Good stuff sweetmeat. Hope all goes well.

Congrats on your quit so far.

My dad stopped smoking 9 days ago. He's using the patch. I will give him some other things to consider to keep the quit at the forefront once his support class ends.

i have to call BULLSHIT here

dude i am the king of irregular heartbeats...pvc's, a-flutter, a-fib, v-tach, v-fib, long qrs, left bundle branch block, right bundle branch block...how in gods green earth do you think nic can help arrythmias? my EP was ecstatic when i told him i quit and did by cold turkey he said nic is a stimulant and can CAUSE abnormal heart beat not prevent them...see the electrophsyiologist and then tell me that they recomend nic

sorry but arrhythmia research doesn't support you on this one

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:T4 ... clnkgl=us

-or-

http://remotehealthatlas.nt.gov.au/nico ... otocol.pdf

Finally, Curt! Damn, I was wondering if you'd ever show the man your cards! He needed to hear it...and from you.

You were wondering if he would ever show me his cards? What does that mean? By the way, It's Day 6 for me and I am doing well! What's everyone planning on doing this weekend?

Same as usual quitting!! Then I will go from there!! I have a plan do you??

Who are you? That comment wasn't even made toward you. I was talking "Gump"....Whatever dude

I'm going to be eagerly looking forward to one of two things:

a) how your doctor visit goes on Monday

B) hearing from you how being 100% nicotine free feels

[scrofford]

Scroffy - obviously all of the "bullshit" has faded away, so tell us - what's the current plan with the lozenges?  Still thinking abstractly or do you have a nicotine quit date picked out?  Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential heart problems you mentioned in your first post?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Inquiring minds want to hold you.......accountable.

I go and see my doc on Nov 9th. I will be talking more with her about NOT using the NRT. If she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

I have not used much of the NRT today. Maybe its because I have been extremely busy with working on my website. Anyway, I really don't see me using any NRT past the beginning of next week. How does that slap ya sexy? :P

Good stuff sweetmeat. Hope all goes well.

Congrats on your quit so far.

My dad stopped smoking 9 days ago. He's using the patch. I will give him some other things to consider to keep the quit at the forefront once his support class ends.

i have to call BULLSHIT here

dude i am the king of irregular heartbeats...pvc's, a-flutter, a-fib, v-tach, v-fib, long qrs, left bundle branch block, right bundle branch block...how in gods green earth do you think nic can help arrythmias? my EP was ecstatic when i told him i quit and did by cold turkey he said nic is a stimulant and can CAUSE abnormal heart beat not prevent them...see the electrophsyiologist and then tell me that they recomend nic

sorry but arrhythmia research doesn't support you on this one

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:T4 ... clnkgl=us

-or-

http://remotehealthatlas.nt.gov.au/nico ... otocol.pdf

Finally, Curt! Damn, I was wondering if you'd ever show the man your cards! He needed to hear it...and from you.

You were wondering if he would ever show me his cards? What does that mean? By the way, It's Day 6 for me and I am doing well! What's everyone planning on doing this weekend?

Same as usual quitting!! Then I will go from there!! I have a plan do you??

Who are you? That comment wasn't even made toward you. I was talking "Gump"....Whatever dude

[CaseyG]

Scroffy - obviously all of the "bullshit" has faded away, so tell us - what's the current plan with the lozenges?  Still thinking abstractly or do you have a nicotine quit date picked out?  Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential heart problems you mentioned in your first post?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Inquiring minds want to hold you.......accountable.

I go and see my doc on Nov 9th. I will be talking more with her about NOT using the NRT. If she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

I have not used much of the NRT today. Maybe its because I have been extremely busy with working on my website. Anyway, I really don't see me using any NRT past the beginning of next week. How does that slap ya sexy? :P

Good stuff sweetmeat. Hope all goes well.

Congrats on your quit so far.

My dad stopped smoking 9 days ago. He's using the patch. I will give him some other things to consider to keep the quit at the forefront once his support class ends.

i have to call BULLSHIT here

dude i am the king of irregular heartbeats...pvc's, a-flutter, a-fib, v-tach, v-fib, long qrs, left bundle branch block, right bundle branch block...how in gods green earth do you think nic can help arrythmias? my EP was ecstatic when i told him i quit and did by cold turkey he said nic is a stimulant and can CAUSE abnormal heart beat not prevent them...see the electrophsyiologist and then tell me that they recomend nic

sorry but arrhythmia research doesn't support you on this one

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:T4 ... clnkgl=us

-or-

http://remotehealthatlas.nt.gov.au/nico ... otocol.pdf

Finally, Curt! Damn, I was wondering if you'd ever show the man your cards! He needed to hear it...and from you.

You were wondering if he would ever show me his cards? What does that mean? By the way, It's Day 6 for me and I am doing well! What's everyone planning on doing this weekend?

Same as usual quitting!! Then I will go from there!! I have a plan do you??

[scrofford]

Scroffy - obviously all of the "bullshit" has faded away, so tell us - what's the current plan with the lozenges?  Still thinking abstractly or do you have a nicotine quit date picked out?  Have you spoken to your doctor about the potential heart problems you mentioned in your first post?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Inquiring minds want to hold you.......accountable.

I go and see my doc on Nov 9th. I will be talking more with her about NOT using the NRT. If she thinks its ok for the ol ticker to completely stop nicotine altogether without worrying about irregular heart beats, then cool, I will...

I have not used much of the NRT today. Maybe its because I have been extremely busy with working on my website. Anyway, I really don't see me using any NRT past the beginning of next week. How does that slap ya sexy? :P

Good stuff sweetmeat. Hope all goes well.

Congrats on your quit so far.

My dad stopped smoking 9 days ago. He's using the patch. I will give him some other things to consider to keep the quit at the forefront once his support class ends.

i have to call BULLSHIT here

dude i am the king of irregular heartbeats...pvc's, a-flutter, a-fib, v-tach, v-fib, long qrs, left bundle branch block, right bundle branch block...how in gods green earth do you think nic can help arrythmias? my EP was ecstatic when i told him i quit and did by cold turkey he said nic is a stimulant and can CAUSE abnormal heart beat not prevent them...see the electrophsyiologist and then tell me that they recomend nic

sorry but arrhythmia research doesn't support you on this one

http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:T4 ... clnkgl=us

-or-

http://remotehealthatlas.nt.gov.au/nico ... otocol.pdf

Finally, Curt! Damn, I was wondering if you'd ever show the man your cards! He needed to hear it...and from you.

You were wondering if he would ever show me his cards? What does that mean? By the way, It's Day 6 for me and I am doing well! What's everyone planning on doing this weekend?