I quit, or have I?

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

Its a straw man because no matter where you fall on the discussion it is fucking irrelevant to whether you can dip and use this website at the same time. But keep promoting your false intellectual bullshit, it is very compelling and interesting.

Is this what happens on these threads? Arrogant assfuckers debate the merits of nicotine and disparage the way we quit here? I wish I had never seen this thread, but now I have. I won't rest until these fucking idiots either shut the fuck up or get lost.
Moderation idiot, neurochemist dork, and anyone else, (I had to skip ahead because your arguments are mindnumbingly stupid) GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. 'Finger'
Fuck you, fuck off.
Shit, when I said I wasn't going to rest until you were gone, I meant I won't rest until after I go out for happy hour, get hammered, then continue this later.
And to the guy who sent me a link, to this huge fucking waste of time that makes my eyes bleed, but now I have to come back because I know it exists, see here
Edit- I honestly thought this was a philosophical thread "I quit or have I".
I didn't realize I was in the intros.
Is this guy the worst fucking :scowick: ever?
Time to pack it up snowflake. Take your horseshit elsewhere. We don't need a part time user who talks shit to quitters.

I think we've found some demand for some new community websites:

Periodicstoppages.com, brainchemistryrus.org, wannabeneuroscientistsoveranalyzingtobaccoandnicotine.edu, anti-cultlikequit.com, saveyourtinsandmakealamp.org, Doingitourwaydespiteadvice.tv, antiestablishmentcessation.org.

[Lipizzaner]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

Its a straw man because no matter where you fall on the discussion it is fucking irrelevant to whether you can dip and use this website at the same time. But keep promoting your false intellectual bullshit, it is very compelling and interesting.

Is this what happens on these threads? Arrogant assfuckers debate the merits of nicotine and disparage the way we quit here? I wish I had never seen this thread, but now I have. I won't rest until these fucking idiots either shut the fuck up or get lost.
Moderation idiot, neurochemist dork, and anyone else, (I had to skip ahead because your arguments are mindnumbingly stupid) GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. 'Finger'
Fuck you, fuck off.
Shit, when I said I wasn't going to rest until you were gone, I meant I won't rest until after I go out for happy hour, get hammered, then continue this later.
And to the guy who sent me a link, to this huge fucking waste of time that makes my eyes bleed, but now I have to come back because I know it exists, see here
Edit- I honestly thought this was a philosophical thread "I quit or have I".
I didn't realize I was in the intros.
Is this guy the worst fucking :scowick: ever?
Time to pack it up snowflake. Take your horseshit elsewhere. We don't need a part time user who talks shit to quitters.

[Diesel2112]

Let me break it down for you R3, based on MY EXPERIENCES.

You are becoming addicted to nicotine. Plain and simple.

I started in moderation as well. A can a month, just when I golfed, only when I played poker, just to relax, after a good meal...and the reasons kept on growing. But I never thought of myself as an addict, just a moderate user...like you.

15 years layer I was banging through two cans a day and it was unfortunately a part of who I was. I was a nicotine addict.

In my humble opinion, you're headed down a similar path and you would be wise to QUIT not STOP. There is a difference.

If you're serious about quitting, stay and we can help. If you want to go on thinking you can continue using in moderation, then I wish you the best of luck as this site is not built for that.

You're either quit or you're not. You're either a 1 or a zero. We'd love to add another 1 to our collection.

Up to you, Bub...

[Benjo]

Benjo... Your own vocabulary screams your ignorance.

We don't aim for "stopped". It's not acceptable. For you to use that term as a defense of this guy means you need to be quiet and pay attention.

Quit is a mindset that this cat, and you apparently, need to learn.

Don't even bother, Benjo.

There are individuals who clearly are not interested in a real discussion in determining the neurochemistry and psychology of addiction and how each person has different coping mechanisms. Instead, he'd rather berate you on terminology from his high 10,000 post horse. smh

I was a young aspiring neuroscientist for a while, but I don't see the point you're trying to make with the neuroscience angle, either. No, we're not wired all the same way, but there's an overarching principle to this site, and it's an effective one at achieving what really should be every tobacco user's goal: to put it in the rearview. It's just not a good habit to have, addict or 'casual'.

Our initial advice was very much the same: "Why take the risk?" I don't see why we're veering so far away from that into science and semantics.

[twballgame9]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

You mean like how big tobacco and big pharmacy have together created a belief that nicotine replacement therapy is the only way to quit and has spent billions of dollars advertising these "products" that ultimately make them profit, and help very few people quit for good? Or how they've generated a belief amongst the commoners that cold turkey isn't possible, when in actuality it is the most successful and effective method, since our brains have forever been modified by the consumption of nicotine? Hows that for neuroscience?

We are all addicted. Our brains are very similar, and our brains react to nicotine in a very similar manner. You are not special. I am not special. I'm just another addict who is free, and who has burned all boats, bridges, hovercraft, etc that lead back to nicotine slavery. You sound like you've got one foot in the boat heading back.

I thought for a minute there you were going with a "FKSkoal is a big tobacco plant" theory. Damn.

'Popcorn'

[basshaug]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

You mean like how big tobacco and big pharmacy have together created a belief that nicotine replacement therapy is the only way to quit and has spent billions of dollars advertising these "products" that ultimately make them profit, and help very few people quit for good? Or how they've generated a belief amongst the commoners that cold turkey isn't possible, when in actuality it is the most successful and effective method, since our brains have forever been modified by the consumption of nicotine? Hows that for neuroscience?

We are all addicted. Our brains are very similar, and our brains react to nicotine in a very similar manner. You are not special. I am not special. I'm just another addict who is free, and who has burned all boats, bridges, hovercraft, etc that lead back to nicotine slavery. You sound like you've got one foot in the boat heading back.

[twballgame9]

Pompous pseudo-intellectuals are my favorite. Fire up the Socratic method Lipi!

[twballgame9]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

Its a straw man because no matter where you fall on the discussion it is fucking irrelevant to whether you can dip and use this website at the same time. But keep promoting your false intellectual bullshit, it is very compelling and interesting.

[Smeds]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

I though he was referencing you ...

[AppleJack]

I haven't even read all this ongoing stupidity.

I don't need to.

Quit or leave. It's pretty simple. Stop trying to justify your addiction... It won't work here.
We'll stay right beside you if you wanna quit.

If that's not your goal... Buh-Bye.

I guess if you say "not gonna even bother reading this", I can't accuse you of poor reading comprehension, can I.

He is stopped, and he told himself he's quit, as of six months ago, but he's wavering.

The talk about using in moderation, that's not him advocating it, it's the pre-addict part of his dopamine system trying to get him to give up his quit.

Reaper, you've given your brain hundreds, maybe thousands of doses of nicotine. Your brain loves that shit, because as far as it can tell, each one of those dopamine rushes was for bringing down a buffalo or bedding the chief's daughter. Your brain remembers. It wants that again.

I think it's an interesting, and open, question whether or not that's a symptom of addiction. You certainly haven't gotten away with using dip without modifying your brain, and I think if you reflect on that, it'll be obviously true to you.

You're not in the immediate hold of nicotine, so just try to be rational when you think about picking up another can. What's the upside? Cheap dopamine rush. What's the potential (probable) downside? A disgusting, expensive, embarrassing addiction. Maybe cancer.

Again, good luck with your decision. If you decide you're really, really, done with it, and want some backup, come join us in the Shell.

Benjo... Your own vocabulary screams your ignorance.

We don't aim for "stopped". It's not acceptable. For you to use that term as a defense of this guy means you need to be quiet and pay attention.

Quit is a mindset that this cat, and you apparently, need to learn.

I get the difference, that's exactly why I used the words I used.

Sorry, Reaper, if having a fight in your thread isn't helpful. I'm trying to back up the part of you that wants to actually be done, quit, finished, instead of just stopped until next time.

Exactly!

That's my point man. Quit is where you wanna be... No more waffling.

[schaef418]

holy shit, I need to put on my nerd glasses just to read these words in here.

[FkSkoal]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

The fact that you would associate neurochemistry with a straw man argument reveals your deep ignorance as well as irreverence of the work that scientific researchers do on a daily basis to keep people like us away from nicotine and ultimately save lives.

[twballgame9]

The neurochemistry straw man reminds me of this

[FkSkoal]

Benjo... Your own vocabulary screams your ignorance.

We don't aim for "stopped". It's not acceptable. For you to use that term as a defense of this guy means you need to be quiet and pay attention.

Quit is a mindset that this cat, and you apparently, need to learn.

Don't even bother, Benjo.

There are individuals who clearly are not interested in a real discussion in determining the neurochemistry and psychology of addiction and how each person has different coping mechanisms. Instead, he'd rather berate you on terminology from his high 10,000 post horse. smh

[Benjo]

I haven't even read all this ongoing stupidity.

I don't need to.

Quit or leave. It's pretty simple. Stop trying to justify your addiction... It won't work here.
We'll stay right beside you if you wanna quit.

If that's not your goal... Buh-Bye.

I guess if you say "not gonna even bother reading this", I can't accuse you of poor reading comprehension, can I.

He is stopped, and he told himself he's quit, as of six months ago, but he's wavering.

The talk about using in moderation, that's not him advocating it, it's the pre-addict part of his dopamine system trying to get him to give up his quit.

Reaper, you've given your brain hundreds, maybe thousands of doses of nicotine. Your brain loves that shit, because as far as it can tell, each one of those dopamine rushes was for bringing down a buffalo or bedding the chief's daughter. Your brain remembers. It wants that again.

I think it's an interesting, and open, question whether or not that's a symptom of addiction. You certainly haven't gotten away with using dip without modifying your brain, and I think if you reflect on that, it'll be obviously true to you.

You're not in the immediate hold of nicotine, so just try to be rational when you think about picking up another can. What's the upside? Cheap dopamine rush. What's the potential (probable) downside? A disgusting, expensive, embarrassing addiction. Maybe cancer.

Again, good luck with your decision. If you decide you're really, really, done with it, and want some backup, come join us in the Shell.

Benjo... Your own vocabulary screams your ignorance.

We don't aim for "stopped". It's not acceptable. For you to use that term as a defense of this guy means you need to be quiet and pay attention.

Quit is a mindset that this cat, and you apparently, need to learn.

I get the difference, that's exactly why I used the words I used.

Sorry, Reaper, if having a fight in your thread isn't helpful. I'm trying to back up the part of you that wants to actually be done, quit, finished, instead of just stopped until next time.