A Higher Power

[boomhauer]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

Perish = Die

eternity = forever - NOT the opposit of Die. Once you're dead spritually, you're spiritually dead forever.


In the example we're talking about, death occurs, so that life stops, but time keeps going...for eternity. That's why we need to decide now whether we want to spend that infinite amount of time either spiritually alive(in Heaven) or spiritually dead(in hell).

[loot]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

[boomhauer]

span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'*Disclaimer* - I'm not a minister...nor am I trying to push my beliefs on anybody on this site. Anyone who doesn't want to discuss this topic, please ignore this post and go on about your business. Thanks/span

LOOT,

I'm not sure I understand where the contradiction is...

Perish = Die

I don't agree that the verse says hell is temporary.....

3:16 just reminds us that if we do believe in Him, we won't perish.

Hell, Lake of Fire.....it's all the same thing.

Basically, it all comes down to this....when we physically die, either we go be with God in Heaven, or we are not with Him....

not being with Him means we are in hell, lake of fire...whatever one wishes to call it.

I'm sorry that the "fire and brimstone" preachers turned you off from church. There are several of them out there.....but not all are like that.

I recommend speaking to someone one on one that can explain things better than the previous preachers did. At least seek some more credible advice/knowledge before totally ruling everything out. I know I'm not doing the best job of explaining this, so again, another reason to speak with as many people as you can so you don't have to form your opinion/belief off of the way a few people came across....

my .02

[loot]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

It is as FAL says...

Just so you know - I know alot of good people who practice Christian values but have/will not accept God's salvation...

On the other hand, I know people (and I put myself in that category) who have
not practiced these values for most their lives...and honestly probably don't deserve God's grace...

But God makes a blanket deal to all...no 1 sin is any greater than another...and bottom line is no person is good enough or righteous enough no matter how they appear on the outside to make it heaven on their own...

So, only by John3:16 the verse is anyone able to get to heaven...

I don't make the rules, those rules will mean people I care about (family, etc.) will not be in heaven...but who am I to question God's judgement? Read the book of Job and God's response to Job when Job did...

the please explain the "perish" portion of that verse again for us dense ones. Somewhere in Revelations it says that at the end of Satans time, all the people in hell will be cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death...death of the soul...you will be no more.

If J3:16 says perish, and Rev backs it up...you can't burn forever

LOOT is just rying to figure out how long his sentence is going to be.

*Disclaimer* - I'm not a minister...nor am I trying to push my beliefs on anybody on this site. Anyone who doesn't want to discuss this topic, please ignore this post and go on about your business. Thanks

LOOT,

If I may comment....

The second death is spiritual death.....the first is the physical death. We all will experience the first. The second death is the one we have a choice whether we'll experience it or not. Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through Him(Jesus). So what that means is regardless of how many good deeds one does, or what they are, without Jesus, we can't get to the Father. Being denied this, is the second death....and it lasts forever.....and ever...and ever...and ever...times 50 trillion.....and so on.

John 3:16 says "....that so whoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"

That's saying that those who believe in Him, will not perish. But those who don't believe, WILL perish (again referring to second death)

We all deserve the second death, but Jesus took our place and died on the cross so we wouldn't have to experience this second death....but it doesn't mean that everybody gets a pass.....Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

agreed....maybe LOOT isn't being clear in the question.

Sinners will die a second death. A couple of people here have told LOOT that sinners will burn in hell forever.

LOOT doesn't believe that to be true because of the word "perish" and the stuff in Revelations.

There is a fundamental contradiction between burning forever and J316. How can you believe both? The most famous verse in the bible is, IMO says that hell is a temporary thing. While the "fire and brimstone" preachers that turned LOOT away from the church tell LOOT he's gonna burn forver.

Maybe LOOT isn't being clear.

[boomhauer]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

It is as FAL says...

Just so you know - I know alot of good people who practice Christian values but have/will not accept God's salvation...

On the other hand, I know people (and I put myself in that category) who have
not practiced these values for most their lives...and honestly probably don't deserve God's grace...

But God makes a blanket deal to all...no 1 sin is any greater than another...and bottom line is no person is good enough or righteous enough no matter how they appear on the outside to make it heaven on their own...

So, only by John3:16 the verse is anyone able to get to heaven...

I don't make the rules, those rules will mean people I care about (family, etc.) will not be in heaven...but who am I to question God's judgement? Read the book of Job and God's response to Job when Job did...

the please explain the "perish" portion of that verse again for us dense ones. Somewhere in Revelations it says that at the end of Satans time, all the people in hell will be cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death...death of the soul...you will be no more.

If J3:16 says perish, and Rev backs it up...you can't burn forever

LOOT is just rying to figure out how long his sentence is going to be.

*Disclaimer* - I'm not a minister...nor am I trying to push my beliefs on anybody on this site. Anyone who doesn't want to discuss this topic, please ignore this post and go on about your business. Thanks

LOOT,

If I may comment....

The second death is spiritual death.....the first is the physical death. We all will experience the first. The second death is the one we have a choice whether we'll experience it or not. Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through Him(Jesus). So what that means is regardless of how many good deeds one does, or what they are, without Jesus, we can't get to the Father. Being denied this, is the second death....and it lasts forever.....and ever...and ever...and ever...times 50 trillion.....and so on.

John 3:16 says "....that so whoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"

That's saying that those who believe in Him, will not perish. But those who don't believe, WILL perish (again referring to second death)

We all deserve the second death, but Jesus took our place and died on the cross so we wouldn't have to experience this second death....but it doesn't mean that everybody gets a pass.....Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

[loot]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

It is as FAL says...

Just so you know - I know alot of good people who practice Christian values but have/will not accept God's salvation...

On the other hand, I know people (and I put myself in that category) who have
not practiced these values for most their lives...and honestly probably don't deserve God's grace...

But God makes a blanket deal to all...no 1 sin is any greater than another...and bottom line is no person is good enough or righteous enough no matter how they appear on the outside to make it heaven on their own...

So, only by John3:16 the verse is anyone able to get to heaven...

I don't make the rules, those rules will mean people I care about (family, etc.) will not be in heaven...but who am I to question God's judgement? Read the book of Job and God's response to Job when Job did...

the please explain the "perish" portion of that verse again for us dense ones. Somewhere in Revelations it says that at the end of Satans time, all the people in hell will be cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death...death of the soul...you will be no more.

If J3:16 says perish, and Rev backs it up...you can't burn forever

LOOT is just rying to figure out how long his sentence is going to be.

[John3:16]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

It is as FAL says...

Just so you know - I know alot of good people who practice Christian values but have/will not accept God's salvation...

On the other hand, I know people (and I put myself in that category) who have
not practiced these values for most their lives...and honestly probably don't deserve God's grace...

But God makes a blanket deal to all...no 1 sin is any greater than another...and bottom line is no person is good enough or righteous enough no matter how they appear on the outside to make it heaven on their own...

So, only by John3:16 the verse is anyone able to get to heaven...

I don't make the rules, those rules will mean people I care about (family, etc.) will not be in heaven...but who am I to question God's judgement? Read the book of Job and God's response to Job when Job did...

[free-at-last!]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

[loot]

and the really funny part is the introduction you fucks like to rail against stays at the top...and has more replies than any other

its all in how you play the game dooshbags

Christ loot, everyone knows the primary demographic for (ex)chewers are redneck, huntin' and fishin', drinkin', fightin' and fuckin' bible-thumpers. I've got a bunch of good friends who fit right in with you hayseed inbreeds. Not that all ya'll ain't book-smart.

No shock the intro gets a lot of play.

Just trying to keep the playing field even for us heretics. (This is really starting to remind me of lite.)

reminds you of lite eh? how'sabout loot calls you a cocksucker and threatens to jizz on you soon...real soon? Can you get away with that at lite?

And seriously dude...LOOT don't religion ('cept the COL) very seriously.

J316 just wears his religion on his sleeve. Loot has serious issues with that verse. Loot is trying to get his opinion on it before LOOt destroys him with it.

just a little fun effe...you prick

cant do that on lite either...lest you wake up and the guys with power have changed you password and e-mail address

tell Flav LOOt said FU...he'll know what you mean.

Hey, I don't wear religion on my sleeve...

I am not a goody 2-shoes that believes I'm a saint...

I've done plenty I am not proud of, and I've sinned enough for
more than 1 person...and I suffer from the same temptations
that all men are...

However, I strongly believe I am forgiven simply because
I believe...

Now - not sure what your problem is with john3:16 the verse,
it's always been a favorite of mine...I choose it because I
wanted the verse seen here...and I needed to be accountable to
more than just a quit group...knowing that I could not let
"john3:16" cave...

Now, I see names here some of which are obscene, and I see language
here of which I can't understand the profanity...but not 1 time have I
complained...

This is a free country...and the site should be free, if I don't like someone's
introduction - then I won't go read it...if I don't like the profanity, then I'll
skip the thread...

Anyway that's my story...

bravo...well said

[loot]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

[John3:16]

and the really funny part is the introduction you fucks like to rail against stays at the top...and has more replies than any other

its all in how you play the game dooshbags

Christ loot, everyone knows the primary demographic for (ex)chewers are redneck, huntin' and fishin', drinkin', fightin' and fuckin' bible-thumpers. I've got a bunch of good friends who fit right in with you hayseed inbreeds. Not that all ya'll ain't book-smart.

No shock the intro gets a lot of play.

Just trying to keep the playing field even for us heretics. (This is really starting to remind me of lite.)

reminds you of lite eh? how'sabout loot calls you a cocksucker and threatens to jizz on you soon...real soon? Can you get away with that at lite?

And seriously dude...LOOT don't religion ('cept the COL) very seriously.

J316 just wears his religion on his sleeve. Loot has serious issues with that verse. Loot is trying to get his opinion on it before LOOt destroys him with it.

just a little fun effe...you prick

cant do that on lite either...lest you wake up and the guys with power have changed you password and e-mail address

tell Flav LOOt said FU...he'll know what you mean.

Hey, I don't wear religion on my sleeve...

I am not a goody 2-shoes that believes I'm a saint...

I've done plenty I am not proud of, and I've sinned enough for
more than 1 person...and I suffer from the same temptations
that all men are...

However, I strongly believe I am forgiven simply because
I believe...

Now - not sure what your problem is with john3:16 the verse,
it's always been a favorite of mine...I choose it because I
wanted the verse seen here...and I needed to be accountable to
more than just a quit group...knowing that I could not let
"john3:16" cave...

Now, I see names here some of which are obscene, and I see language
here of which I can't understand the profanity...but not 1 time have I
complained...

This is a free country...and the site should be free, if I don't like someone's
introduction - then I won't go read it...if I don't like the profanity, then I'll
skip the thread...

Anyway that's my story...

[John3:16]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while. Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

[elguapo15]

cant do that on lite either...lest you wake up and the guys with power have changed you password and e-mail address

tell Flav LOOt said FU...he'll know what you mean.

Haven't been there for a long time. I'll pass.

[elguapo15]

that why you puttin it out with pussy...pussy?

lootie - I'm howling here. Who suffered your wrath yesterday. 'tease'

[loot]

that why you puttin it out with pussy...pussy?