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[Derk40]

415- I find myself more angry than ever at the poison pushers today... It is almost plausible to accept the quaint notion that 50+ years ago people didn't know how bad tobacco was for people, but it was just as obvious then as it is today. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as people today so it is hard to believe that addiction wasn't recognized for what it is as well, and yet big tobacco thrives... At least American society tried to outlaw alcohol, but of course that was not the answer just as the "war on drugs" hasn't made one bit of difference with illegal drug use. At least a failed attempt had been made with everything except tobacco... Of course there is way too much money to be made with the most addictive of drugs for it to ever come to that. The dog and pony shows of big tobacco executives being dragged in front of congress yielded some weak warning labels (you all remember how the warnings stopped you from using...) and not much else. The government was to get some money for anti tobacco education purposes, but that seems to me to only be used to make a few 'scare ya straight' commercials (probably produced by the governors' friends and family at 10x what it should cost but I'm a non-believer in government looking out for the peoples best interests anyway).

The only way to combat addictive drugs is through education, and we as a society squander our resources on almost anything but education. Sure there is a token amount of anti-drug education out there, but no where near enough. How can we expect one visit a year from a local police officer at a school to teach kids about drugs for an hour, and a handful of scary commercials to overcome the misinformation and propaganda that is out there? Not to mention the unwitting advertising done by ignorant users in pop culture glorifying poisons everyday. We all had role-models and people we looked up to who were addicts. How can tobacco be bad if mom and dad use it? By the time most people see the damage it does to mom and dad they are grown up and already in danger of being addicted...

I am going to try and educate somebody today if they like it or not. Maybe if we all do a little bit of educating we can save someone the pain, damage, and expense we all faced... I am so grateful for KTC. Exposing the lies, and helping people with the truth. Proud to be quit with such a group!

I quit with you Today Matt. You are a rockstar of quit.
I agree with you 100%.
3 years ago a customer crammed education down my throat...I didn't want to hear it....her husband died from a rare cancer and she was telling me that I should quit..this was a perfect stranger, a new customer of mine. Looking back I realize that the seed she planted and the words I resisted had an effect on me.
We are humans. we are affected by what we hear, see, say and do. Simple.
I talked to a perfect stranger in a sporting goods store last year..poor fella was looking for a place to spit..LOL
I watched him spit into a trash can inside the store, he missed for the most part...ran down the side of the can...LOL
I walked up to him and asked him "what's ya dippin'? We talked. I gave him the KTC site. I told him my story. He told me his. He admitted he wanted to quit. I told him it is very doable ODAAT. No law against talking to strangers...in my small town it is what we do. used to be that way everywhere not long ago. Anyhow, I agree with You Matt and I tell everyone about the poison and the life of freedom found here at KTC.

Very well said Matt. I myself educate the dipping public as often as I can. Preach on brother Matt, preach on.

Good stuff. You got me fired up today!

A show that show exactly what you are talking about is MAD MEN. They smoke like it is their job on that show. Totally ridiculous.

[srans]

415- I find myself more angry than ever at the poison pushers today... It is almost plausible to accept the quaint notion that 50+ years ago people didn't know how bad tobacco was for people, but it was just as obvious then as it is today. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as people today so it is hard to believe that addiction wasn't recognized for what it is as well, and yet big tobacco thrives... At least American society tried to outlaw alcohol, but of course that was not the answer just as the "war on drugs" hasn't made one bit of difference with illegal drug use. At least a failed attempt had been made with everything except tobacco... Of course there is way too much money to be made with the most addictive of drugs for it to ever come to that. The dog and pony shows of big tobacco executives being dragged in front of congress yielded some weak warning labels (you all remember how the warnings stopped you from using...) and not much else. The government was to get some money for anti tobacco education purposes, but that seems to me to only be used to make a few 'scare ya straight' commercials (probably produced by the governors' friends and family at 10x what it should cost but I'm a non-believer in government looking out for the peoples best interests anyway).

The only way to combat addictive drugs is through education, and we as a society squander our resources on almost anything but education. Sure there is a token amount of anti-drug education out there, but no where near enough. How can we expect one visit a year from a local police officer at a school to teach kids about drugs for an hour, and a handful of scary commercials to overcome the misinformation and propaganda that is out there? Not to mention the unwitting advertising done by ignorant users in pop culture glorifying poisons everyday. We all had role-models and people we looked up to who were addicts. How can tobacco be bad if mom and dad use it? By the time most people see the damage it does to mom and dad they are grown up and already in danger of being addicted...

I am going to try and educate somebody today if they like it or not. Maybe if we all do a little bit of educating we can save someone the pain, damage, and expense we all faced... I am so grateful for KTC. Exposing the lies, and helping people with the truth. Proud to be quit with such a group!

I quit with you Today Matt. You are a rockstar of quit.
I agree with you 100%.
3 years ago a customer crammed education down my throat...I didn't want to hear it....her husband died from a rare cancer and she was telling me that I should quit..this was a perfect stranger, a new customer of mine. Looking back I realize that the seed she planted and the words I resisted had an effect on me.
We are humans. we are affected by what we hear, see, say and do. Simple.
I talked to a perfect stranger in a sporting goods store last year..poor fella was looking for a place to spit..LOL
I watched him spit into a trash can inside the store, he missed for the most part...ran down the side of the can...LOL
I walked up to him and asked him "what's ya dippin'? We talked. I gave him the KTC site. I told him my story. He told me his. He admitted he wanted to quit. I told him it is very doable ODAAT. No law against talking to strangers...in my small town it is what we do. used to be that way everywhere not long ago. Anyhow, I agree with You Matt and I tell everyone about the poison and the life of freedom found here at KTC.

Very well said Matt. I myself educate the dipping public as often as I can. Preach on brother Matt, preach on.

Good stuff. You got me fired up today!

[Pinched]

415- I find myself more angry than ever at the poison pushers today... It is almost plausible to accept the quaint notion that 50+ years ago people didn't know how bad tobacco was for people, but it was just as obvious then as it is today. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as people today so it is hard to believe that addiction wasn't recognized for what it is as well, and yet big tobacco thrives... At least American society tried to outlaw alcohol, but of course that was not the answer just as the "war on drugs" hasn't made one bit of difference with illegal drug use. At least a failed attempt had been made with everything except tobacco... Of course there is way too much money to be made with the most addictive of drugs for it to ever come to that. The dog and pony shows of big tobacco executives being dragged in front of congress yielded some weak warning labels (you all remember how the warnings stopped you from using...) and not much else. The government was to get some money for anti tobacco education purposes, but that seems to me to only be used to make a few 'scare ya straight' commercials (probably produced by the governors' friends and family at 10x what it should cost but I'm a non-believer in government looking out for the peoples best interests anyway).

The only way to combat addictive drugs is through education, and we as a society squander our resources on almost anything but education. Sure there is a token amount of anti-drug education out there, but no where near enough. How can we expect one visit a year from a local police officer at a school to teach kids about drugs for an hour, and a handful of scary commercials to overcome the misinformation and propaganda that is out there? Not to mention the unwitting advertising done by ignorant users in pop culture glorifying poisons everyday. We all had role-models and people we looked up to who were addicts. How can tobacco be bad if mom and dad use it? By the time most people see the damage it does to mom and dad they are grown up and already in danger of being addicted...

I am going to try and educate somebody today if they like it or not. Maybe if we all do a little bit of educating we can save someone the pain, damage, and expense we all faced... I am so grateful for KTC. Exposing the lies, and helping people with the truth. Proud to be quit with such a group!

I quit with you Today Matt. You are a rockstar of quit.
I agree with you 100%.
3 years ago a customer crammed education down my throat...I didn't want to hear it....her husband died from a rare cancer and she was telling me that I should quit..this was a perfect stranger, a new customer of mine. Looking back I realize that the seed she planted and the words I resisted had an effect on me.
We are humans. we are affected by what we hear, see, say and do. Simple.
I talked to a perfect stranger in a sporting goods store last year..poor fella was looking for a place to spit..LOL
I watched him spit into a trash can inside the store, he missed for the most part...ran down the side of the can...LOL
I walked up to him and asked him "what's ya dippin'? We talked. I gave him the KTC site. I told him my story. He told me his. He admitted he wanted to quit. I told him it is very doable ODAAT. No law against talking to strangers...in my small town it is what we do. used to be that way everywhere not long ago. Anyhow, I agree with You Matt and I tell everyone about the poison and the life of freedom found here at KTC.

Very well said Matt. I myself educate the dipping public as often as I can. Preach on brother Matt, preach on.

[30isEnuff]

415- I find myself more angry than ever at the poison pushers today... It is almost plausible to accept the quaint notion that 50+ years ago people didn't know how bad tobacco was for people, but it was just as obvious then as it is today. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as people today so it is hard to believe that addiction wasn't recognized for what it is as well, and yet big tobacco thrives... At least American society tried to outlaw alcohol, but of course that was not the answer just as the "war on drugs" hasn't made one bit of difference with illegal drug use. At least a failed attempt had been made with everything except tobacco... Of course there is way too much money to be made with the most addictive of drugs for it to ever come to that. The dog and pony shows of big tobacco executives being dragged in front of congress yielded some weak warning labels (you all remember how the warnings stopped you from using...) and not much else. The government was to get some money for anti tobacco education purposes, but that seems to me to only be used to make a few 'scare ya straight' commercials (probably produced by the governors' friends and family at 10x what it should cost but I'm a non-believer in government looking out for the peoples best interests anyway).

The only way to combat addictive drugs is through education, and we as a society squander our resources on almost anything but education. Sure there is a token amount of anti-drug education out there, but no where near enough. How can we expect one visit a year from a local police officer at a school to teach kids about drugs for an hour, and a handful of scary commercials to overcome the misinformation and propaganda that is out there? Not to mention the unwitting advertising done by ignorant users in pop culture glorifying poisons everyday. We all had role-models and people we looked up to who were addicts. How can tobacco be bad if mom and dad use it? By the time most people see the damage it does to mom and dad they are grown up and already in danger of being addicted...

I am going to try and educate somebody today if they like it or not. Maybe if we all do a little bit of educating we can save someone the pain, damage, and expense we all faced... I am so grateful for KTC. Exposing the lies, and helping people with the truth. Proud to be quit with such a group!

I quit with you Today Matt. You are a rockstar of quit.
I agree with you 100%.
3 years ago a customer crammed education down my throat...I didn't want to hear it....her husband died from a rare cancer and she was telling me that I should quit..this was a perfect stranger, a new customer of mine. Looking back I realize that the seed she planted and the words I resisted had an effect on me.
We are humans. we are affected by what we hear, see, say and do. Simple.
I talked to a perfect stranger in a sporting goods store last year..poor fella was looking for a place to spit..LOL
I watched him spit into a trash can inside the store, he missed for the most part...ran down the side of the can...LOL
I walked up to him and asked him "what's ya dippin'? We talked. I gave him the KTC site. I told him my story. He told me his. He admitted he wanted to quit. I told him it is very doable ODAAT. No law against talking to strangers...in my small town it is what we do. used to be that way everywhere not long ago. Anyhow, I agree with You Matt and I tell everyone about the poison and the life of freedom found here at KTC.

[B-loMatt]

415- I find myself more angry than ever at the poison pushers today... It is almost plausible to accept the quaint notion that 50+ years ago people didn't know how bad tobacco was for people, but it was just as obvious then as it is today. Our ancestors were just as intelligent as people today so it is hard to believe that addiction wasn't recognized for what it is as well, and yet big tobacco thrives... At least American society tried to outlaw alcohol, but of course that was not the answer just as the "war on drugs" hasn't made one bit of difference with illegal drug use. At least a failed attempt had been made with everything except tobacco... Of course there is way too much money to be made with the most addictive of drugs for it to ever come to that. The dog and pony shows of big tobacco executives being dragged in front of congress yielded some weak warning labels (you all remember how the warnings stopped you from using...) and not much else. The government was to get some money for anti tobacco education purposes, but that seems to me to only be used to make a few 'scare ya straight' commercials (probably produced by the governors' friends and family at 10x what it should cost but I'm a non-believer in government looking out for the peoples best interests anyway).

The only way to combat addictive drugs is through education, and we as a society squander our resources on almost anything but education. Sure there is a token amount of anti-drug education out there, but no where near enough. How can we expect one visit a year from a local police officer at a school to teach kids about drugs for an hour, and a handful of scary commercials to overcome the misinformation and propaganda that is out there? Not to mention the unwitting advertising done by ignorant users in pop culture glorifying poisons everyday. We all had role-models and people we looked up to who were addicts. How can tobacco be bad if mom and dad use it? By the time most people see the damage it does to mom and dad they are grown up and already in danger of being addicted...

I am going to try and educate somebody today if they like it or not. Maybe if we all do a little bit of educating we can save someone the pain, damage, and expense we all faced... I am so grateful for KTC. Exposing the lies, and helping people with the truth. Proud to be quit with such a group!

[srans]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

'clap'

Another milestone...very nice B-lo!

Congrats bro, proud to be quitting with you ODAAT

congrats you badass B lo enjoy your day 'oh yeah'

Sweeeet!

[traumagnet]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

'clap'

Another milestone...very nice B-lo!

Congrats bro, proud to be quitting with you ODAAT

congrats you badass B lo enjoy your day 'oh yeah'

[Steakbomb18]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

'clap'

Another milestone...very nice B-lo!

Congrats bro, proud to be quitting with you ODAAT

[rdad]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

'clap'

Another milestone...very nice B-lo!

[Scowick65]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

'clap'

[brettlees]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

Congrats!

[AppleJack]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

Nice job B!

[Derk40]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

4 bills. Well done sir!

[duathman]

1 year down and now 400....... is badass brother. Quit with you every day.

[rdad]

370- I thought about dip quite a bit yesterday... It was dance recital day and both my daughters and niece were dancing, and I had to get onstage and perform with my oldest for the 'father daughter' dance. My wife was supper stressed all morning getting the girls ready, and you married guys know what that is like. I was trying to be easy going, but I worked late last night and had lots of things to take care of before the dance recital myself while also trying to keep momma bear happy. I was a bit worried about fucking up my part in the recital, I needed to make sure the HD recorder was charged and had memory, and I needed to get the after-party set up + be ready to go myself. I did not think about dip through any of this though. When I put on my dance costume (black pants and a white polo shirt) right before I guided a bunch of family to the recital was when I started thinking about dip. You see last year was my first dance recital, and I was very newly quit (might have been my first weekend quit, second weekend tops) and the stress level was just as high in my house. I remember it as being one of my biggest early wins to have gotten through that day without caving! I could handle a jacked up wifey, psycho children, crowds, family gathering, hosting\feeding said family, logistics, and performance anxiety/stage-fright without stuffing my gob full of overpriced poison weed every chance I got! I was killing it brothers and sisters! Yesterday I had exactly zero craves... Yes I thought about dip, but I did not have an urge... I DID NOT HAVE AN URGE!

You new bad assed quitters: it gets so much better! I have supper bad assed quitters a lot longer quit than I am telling me it gets better still! Fight this fight! It is worth the hell you are going through!
P.S. All that exercise does more than ease craves: I got lots of compliments from my out of town family about how good I looked!
P.P.S. My mother is a huge Rod Stewart fan, and since her birthday is next week, I took her to see the Santana/ Rod Stewart concert yesterday night: WOW! Rod can't quite sing like he used to, but still puts on a great show. Carlos Santana is a living legend! I have seen a lot of great guitar players (Jimmy Page, Toni Iommi, Angus Young, Eddie Van Halen, Jerry Cantrell, Alex Lifeson, Slash, Zack Wylde, Steve Via, etc.) Santana is as good or better than any of them! If you like music period and have a chance to see this show do it.
Nice to have a good rant in my intro again, and doubly nice that it was NOT crave induced! Quit on my friends.

That it "gets even better" is one of the things that spur me on everyday. I feel pretty great just shy of 200. You say its even better at one year, LOOT would say it even better after 9 years! Better in tiny baby steps is all I want. That was a good story about your Daddy -Daughter dance. Thats what this is all about! So proud to be quit with you!

PS Alex Lifeson should be at the top of that list! ;)