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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #288 on: November 27, 2021, 10:48:34 AM »
How To Handle Day One – Your First Day Quitting Dip

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9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #287 on: November 21, 2021, 04:43:07 PM »
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QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd Floor - 2.08.07 / 3rd Floor - 5.19.07 / 4th Floor - 8.27.07 / 5th Floor - 12.05.07 / 6th Floor - 3.14.08 / 7th Floor - 6.22.08 / 8th Floor - 9.30.08
9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #285 on: November 20, 2021, 07:22:17 AM »
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KTC!!! 15 YEARS!!!

https://ktcforum.org/index.php?topic=17297.0
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9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #284 on: November 19, 2021, 10:42:07 AM »
TOMORROW is the day... KTC TURNS 15!!!

https://ktcforum.org/index.php?topic=17297.0
"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd Floor - 2.08.07 / 3rd Floor - 5.19.07 / 4th Floor - 8.27.07 / 5th Floor - 12.05.07 / 6th Floor - 3.14.08 / 7th Floor - 6.22.08 / 8th Floor - 9.30.08
9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #283 on: October 20, 2021, 04:26:47 PM »
The GOALS of KillTheCan (October 2021)

I've had numerous conversations about this over the past several days (weeks, months, etc.)

Just putting this out there really to solidify it in my mind. I'm going to copy/paste some convos I've had, add to some, subtract from others, etc.

KTC started 15+ years ago. The idea was to develop a place to help people get (AND STAY) quit. Smokeless tobacco was, and continues to be, the enemy in my mind. Period, end of fucking story.

Through the years things have changed. It's been talked about ad naseum so I won't bore you with a history lesson but it includes things like platform changes, the advent of social media, new things that didn't exist like chat, offshoot sites, massive growth and decline of engagement.

It's easy to fall into the trap of looking at this place as an opportunity to be BIG.

"Let's grow the site. Let's grow the membership. Let's be bigger than the rest."

That has NEVER been the goal. The goal has ALWAYS been getting people to be free from their addiction to smokeless tobacco.

I don't think when the founders of AA were thinking it was a business opportunity. They just wanted to help people.

That's what KTC is. Period. Everything else is nice... but not the main mission.

It has become readily apparent through the years that building ACCOUNTABILTY seems to be a major factor in success rates. Building BROTHERHOOD seems to be a major factor in building that accountability. That's where ACCOUTABILITY + BROTHERHOOD = SUCCESS comes from. Seems silly to point it out, but I find it helpful to see it written out that way.

So... if all things stem from BROTHERHOOD it seems natural to figure out how to grow that. That's why you hear the term ENGAGEMENT thrown around. In my mind this isn't a marketing term. This is about chatting, talking, feeling, understanding your brothers and sisters in quit. This is about KNOWING what these folks are going through, being EMPHATHETIC and PAYING FORWARD with we WE know and have experienced.

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

This has NEVER been about being the biggest. It’s about QUITTING. If that means it’s 6 guys bullshitting together all day then that’s what it means.

I've seen more of the above on Discord in recent weeks that I've seen in YEARS on the forums. I'm not suggesting Discord is perfect... it's not. But in my eyes its giving us something we've not had recently. ENGAGEMENT (again... not the marketing term).

Brotherhood leads to Accountability leads to Success (getting and staying quit). PERIOD.

Chewie

https://www.killthecan.org/the-goals-of-killthecan-october-2021/
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9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #282 on: October 19, 2021, 12:57:16 PM »
tabrow3 (March 17) and Roy (November 14) quitting on the Art Loeb Trail in North Carolina.

https://www.killthecan.org/tabrow3-and-roy-art-loeb-trail-in-north-carolina/

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"Every man dies... not every man really lives." - William Wallace

QD - 7.24.06 / HOF - 10.31.06 / 2nd Floor - 2.08.07 / 3rd Floor - 5.19.07 / 4th Floor - 8.27.07 / 5th Floor - 12.05.07 / 6th Floor - 3.14.08 / 7th Floor - 6.22.08 / 8th Floor - 9.30.08
9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
26th Floor - 9.4.13 / 27th Floor - 12.12.13 / 28th Floor - 3.24.14 / 29th Floor - 7.1.14 / 3K - 10.9.14 / 31st Floor - 1.17.15 / 32nd Floor - 4.27.15 / 33rd Floor - 8.5.15 / 34th Floor - 9.13.15
35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21 / 55th Floor - 8.13.21 / 56th Floor - 11.21.21
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #281 on: October 17, 2021, 07:46:19 PM »
In my humble opinion I am concerned that it may cause division. My group had a few people missing yesterday and when I texted them they told me they had posted on discord. To those posting on this site it just looks like they are MIQ.  It is difficult to see if everyone from a group has posted roll for the day when some are posting there and some here. Just what I have noticed in the last day or so. Thoughts?
I agree Redwood, my group was asking and i told them we would focus on this site as our main accountability, in the mean time have them check out the new site (discord) for a few weeks and we would decide and vote as a unit which site all of us will be on.
Good idea. Thanks for the input.
And it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. I personally don't ever see myself stopping posting here on the forums. But Discord provides a platform that may help generate more conversation and foster a brotherhood more than the forums are able to do at this point. At this point try to view them as complimentary vs one trying to overtake/replace the other.

You have that damn wrong, the site is now divided.

Perhaps... but it's no less divided than it was with multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc.

We're not looking to 'replace' any of that stuff but if we can bring the community TOGETHER that's a HUGE win. I can tell you that I personally have spent more time on Discord recently than I have in many months on the forums. I can tell you that I've been engaged with months / quitters outside my month than I have in some time. Is that because it's 'new and shiny'? Maybe. But there are certain features on Discord (showing who's online at any given time in a specific month, tagging, mentions, etc. that I personally believe are better on that platform.

We know it's not for everyone, and change sucks. But the reality is we've been 'changing' and 'evolving' here at KTC ever since we started. There was a day when ALL we had was a forum (on Invisionfree). That then was augmented by the main site. Then the blog. Then the quitter blog. Then FB, Twitter, and other social media.

Then we migrated InvisionFree to Zetaboard (which some loved and others hated). Then text groups became a thing. Then GroupMe spun up. Chat was introduced. Some used it, some hated it (damn trolls).

Then was the *shudder* TapaTalk disaster which EVERYONE hated. We finally migrated to these SMF forums.

Along the way, for multiple reasons, people have gone their separate ways. Some people engage ONLY on the forums. Others are ONLY on the main site. There's a slew of folks that have never posted roll, don't belong to a FB group but yet engage on TikTok daily.

Bottom line, we're a COMMUNITY of quitters. That SUPPORT and QUIT KNOWLEDGE has never changed and candidly I think is getting BIGGER AND BETTER. It's just sort of spread out.

Sorry for the long winded answer @Skolvikings this isn't directed at you... just sort of me sitting down and getting some thoughts out.

ALL of that said, I'm honored to be quit with all of you today... In my mind, I'm looking for that 'old school' feel where we could interact, quickly on a regular basis. Remember 'trophy hunting' on the forums? That sort of thing.

I personally think Discord is getting us back to that sort of feeling. Doesn't mean I'm right... just one guy's opinion. We're not married to our ideas... if something better comes along we're open to it.

Never again... for any reason.

Chewie

The big difference between having "multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc" and what you guys have done here is that before we all had one place to post roll. You know, that "sacred" thing that we all do to keep each other accountable? Now you have individual groups wandering around aimlessly trying to decide which site to post roll on. Pretty clear representation of the lack of leadedship you guys are providing.

Make a decision. Even if it's the wrong one, make a decision. You'll likely piss people off either way, but this half-assed "it doesn't have to be one or the other" bullshit is not only going to piss people off, it's going to destroy the main purpose of this site.

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Just my opinion as a quitter:

The forum is dying,  It is becoming a day count tracker.  There is not a lot of engagement anymore as Vets just tend to stick to a few groups they support or just post and ghost.  There is another tenet to this place besides Accountability and that is Brotherhood;  we hold our Brothers and Sisters accountable.  Personally I do not see quitters going into other groups and hold quitters who miss accountable.  We are slowly losing that community because the conversations and dialogue is not happening.  We were already divided - each into their own silo.

What is wrong with getting everyone engaged and listening to their opinion on how we should move forward?  What is wrong with seeing what works and what doesn't by trying it out without making a hard and fast decision?

@Peter Gibbons you say just make a decision.  I think the Admins have.... you just don't like the decision they made.

By all means, try stuff out. You don't have to mess with roll to dick around with another platform though.
Just my .02 cents worth. Even if the forum becomes just a day tracker, to me that is fine. You can go in there and see who has posted up. Then you can come play out on these other platforms and ask why so and so hasn't posted yet, especially if they are out here playing. Accountability and Brotherhood doesn't have to be tied to this platform.

Now I will tell you it is a big difference from when I first started because we didn't have all these other options. You had the forum, chat and a phone. If you were lucky, you could afford texting. Now I do not care how you have your accountability and brother/sisterhood, just as long as you do, here, there. small group, big group whatever, just have it.
This forum is everything you want it to be. If that’s day tracker good, if that’s accountability even better. Want make friends you can don’t have too. Don’t think anything has changed here to be honest with you, you get what you put in having another site may be good for the new quitters maybe not. Nobody really knows what the future holds at the end of the day this place is just simply a tool to help you stay quit. None of us would be here if we didn’t need it, just appreciate what has been built here and use what you need to use.

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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #280 on: October 17, 2021, 10:33:24 AM »
In my humble opinion I am concerned that it may cause division. My group had a few people missing yesterday and when I texted them they told me they had posted on discord. To those posting on this site it just looks like they are MIQ.  It is difficult to see if everyone from a group has posted roll for the day when some are posting there and some here. Just what I have noticed in the last day or so. Thoughts?
I agree Redwood, my group was asking and i told them we would focus on this site as our main accountability, in the mean time have them check out the new site (discord) for a few weeks and we would decide and vote as a unit which site all of us will be on.
Good idea. Thanks for the input.
And it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. I personally don't ever see myself stopping posting here on the forums. But Discord provides a platform that may help generate more conversation and foster a brotherhood more than the forums are able to do at this point. At this point try to view them as complimentary vs one trying to overtake/replace the other.

You have that damn wrong, the site is now divided.

Perhaps... but it's no less divided than it was with multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc.

We're not looking to 'replace' any of that stuff but if we can bring the community TOGETHER that's a HUGE win. I can tell you that I personally have spent more time on Discord recently than I have in many months on the forums. I can tell you that I've been engaged with months / quitters outside my month than I have in some time. Is that because it's 'new and shiny'? Maybe. But there are certain features on Discord (showing who's online at any given time in a specific month, tagging, mentions, etc. that I personally believe are better on that platform.

We know it's not for everyone, and change sucks. But the reality is we've been 'changing' and 'evolving' here at KTC ever since we started. There was a day when ALL we had was a forum (on Invisionfree). That then was augmented by the main site. Then the blog. Then the quitter blog. Then FB, Twitter, and other social media.

Then we migrated InvisionFree to Zetaboard (which some loved and others hated). Then text groups became a thing. Then GroupMe spun up. Chat was introduced. Some used it, some hated it (damn trolls).

Then was the *shudder* TapaTalk disaster which EVERYONE hated. We finally migrated to these SMF forums.

Along the way, for multiple reasons, people have gone their separate ways. Some people engage ONLY on the forums. Others are ONLY on the main site. There's a slew of folks that have never posted roll, don't belong to a FB group but yet engage on TikTok daily.

Bottom line, we're a COMMUNITY of quitters. That SUPPORT and QUIT KNOWLEDGE has never changed and candidly I think is getting BIGGER AND BETTER. It's just sort of spread out.

Sorry for the long winded answer @Skolvikings this isn't directed at you... just sort of me sitting down and getting some thoughts out.

ALL of that said, I'm honored to be quit with all of you today... In my mind, I'm looking for that 'old school' feel where we could interact, quickly on a regular basis. Remember 'trophy hunting' on the forums? That sort of thing.

I personally think Discord is getting us back to that sort of feeling. Doesn't mean I'm right... just one guy's opinion. We're not married to our ideas... if something better comes along we're open to it.

Never again... for any reason.

Chewie

The big difference between having "multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc" and what you guys have done here is that before we all had one place to post roll. You know, that "sacred" thing that we all do to keep each other accountable? Now you have individual groups wandering around aimlessly trying to decide which site to post roll on. Pretty clear representation of the lack of leadedship you guys are providing.

Make a decision. Even if it's the wrong one, make a decision. You'll likely piss people off either way, but this half-assed "it doesn't have to be one or the other" bullshit is not only going to piss people off, it's going to destroy the main purpose of this site.

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Just my opinion as a quitter:

The forum is dying,  It is becoming a day count tracker.  There is not a lot of engagement anymore as Vets just tend to stick to a few groups they support or just post and ghost.  There is another tenet to this place besides Accountability and that is Brotherhood;  we hold our Brothers and Sisters accountable.  Personally I do not see quitters going into other groups and hold quitters who miss accountable.  We are slowly losing that community because the conversations and dialogue is not happening.  We were already divided - each into their own silo.

What is wrong with getting everyone engaged and listening to their opinion on how we should move forward?  What is wrong with seeing what works and what doesn't by trying it out without making a hard and fast decision?

@Peter Gibbons you say just make a decision.  I think the Admins have.... you just don't like the decision they made.

By all means, try stuff out. You don't have to mess with roll to dick around with another platform though.
Just my .02 cents worth. Even if the forum becomes just a day tracker, to me that is fine. You can go in there and see who has posted up. Then you can come play out on these other platforms and ask why so and so hasn't posted yet, especially if they are out here playing. Accountability and Brotherhood doesn't have to be tied to this platform.

Now I will tell you it is a big difference from when I first started because we didn't have all these other options. You had the forum, chat and a phone. If you were lucky, you could afford texting. Now I do not care how you have your accountability and brother/sisterhood, just as long as you do, here, there. small group, big group whatever, just have it.
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #279 on: October 16, 2021, 01:09:18 PM »
In my humble opinion I am concerned that it may cause division. My group had a few people missing yesterday and when I texted them they told me they had posted on discord. To those posting on this site it just looks like they are MIQ.  It is difficult to see if everyone from a group has posted roll for the day when some are posting there and some here. Just what I have noticed in the last day or so. Thoughts?
I agree Redwood, my group was asking and i told them we would focus on this site as our main accountability, in the mean time have them check out the new site (discord) for a few weeks and we would decide and vote as a unit which site all of us will be on.
Good idea. Thanks for the input.
And it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. I personally don't ever see myself stopping posting here on the forums. But Discord provides a platform that may help generate more conversation and foster a brotherhood more than the forums are able to do at this point. At this point try to view them as complimentary vs one trying to overtake/replace the other.

You have that damn wrong, the site is now divided.

Perhaps... but it's no less divided than it was with multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc.

We're not looking to 'replace' any of that stuff but if we can bring the community TOGETHER that's a HUGE win. I can tell you that I personally have spent more time on Discord recently than I have in many months on the forums. I can tell you that I've been engaged with months / quitters outside my month than I have in some time. Is that because it's 'new and shiny'? Maybe. But there are certain features on Discord (showing who's online at any given time in a specific month, tagging, mentions, etc. that I personally believe are better on that platform.

We know it's not for everyone, and change sucks. But the reality is we've been 'changing' and 'evolving' here at KTC ever since we started. There was a day when ALL we had was a forum (on Invisionfree). That then was augmented by the main site. Then the blog. Then the quitter blog. Then FB, Twitter, and other social media.

Then we migrated InvisionFree to Zetaboard (which some loved and others hated). Then text groups became a thing. Then GroupMe spun up. Chat was introduced. Some used it, some hated it (damn trolls).

Then was the *shudder* TapaTalk disaster which EVERYONE hated. We finally migrated to these SMF forums.

Along the way, for multiple reasons, people have gone their separate ways. Some people engage ONLY on the forums. Others are ONLY on the main site. There's a slew of folks that have never posted roll, don't belong to a FB group but yet engage on TikTok daily.

Bottom line, we're a COMMUNITY of quitters. That SUPPORT and QUIT KNOWLEDGE has never changed and candidly I think is getting BIGGER AND BETTER. It's just sort of spread out.

Sorry for the long winded answer @Skolvikings this isn't directed at you... just sort of me sitting down and getting some thoughts out.

ALL of that said, I'm honored to be quit with all of you today... In my mind, I'm looking for that 'old school' feel where we could interact, quickly on a regular basis. Remember 'trophy hunting' on the forums? That sort of thing.

I personally think Discord is getting us back to that sort of feeling. Doesn't mean I'm right... just one guy's opinion. We're not married to our ideas... if something better comes along we're open to it.

Never again... for any reason.

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The big difference between having "multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc" and what you guys have done here is that before we all had one place to post roll. You know, that "sacred" thing that we all do to keep each other accountable? Now you have individual groups wandering around aimlessly trying to decide which site to post roll on. Pretty clear representation of the lack of leadedship you guys are providing.

Make a decision. Even if it's the wrong one, make a decision. You'll likely piss people off either way, but this half-assed "it doesn't have to be one or the other" bullshit is not only going to piss people off, it's going to destroy the main purpose of this site.

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Just my opinion as a quitter:

The forum is dying,  It is becoming a day count tracker.  There is not a lot of engagement anymore as Vets just tend to stick to a few groups they support or just post and ghost.  There is another tenet to this place besides Accountability and that is Brotherhood;  we hold our Brothers and Sisters accountable.  Personally I do not see quitters going into other groups and hold quitters who miss accountable.  We are slowly losing that community because the conversations and dialogue is not happening.  We were already divided - each into their own silo.

What is wrong with getting everyone engaged and listening to their opinion on how we should move forward?  What is wrong with seeing what works and what doesn't by trying it out without making a hard and fast decision?

@Peter Gibbons you say just make a decision.  I think the Admins have.... you just don't like the decision they made.

By all means, try stuff out. You don't have to mess with roll to dick around with another platform though.

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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #278 on: October 16, 2021, 12:59:09 PM »
will some things be changed in discord? Im trying to picture how a HOF month will go? will there be a link between the two so you can pull information to the new site easier. or even scrolling on a mobile though all the write up. with added support in the mix, maybe pin it for each day and guide people to how to view pins?
I think we are open to anything.  What we wanted to do was create an place that has everything we need.  Will things be different from a functionality?  Yes.  What will new groups look like and how will they be set up...not exactly sure.  We have to play with it and figure out what is best.  We thought about combining pre groups into one big group.  For reference...my group April 2016 had over 100 quitters join at one point.  I think we had over 70 reach HOF.  These new groups...for whatever reason...aren't big.  They get too isolated and in our opinion would be better served having a bigger group to socialize and form brotherhood.  Accountability comes from caring about your fellow person's quit and they in turn caring about your quit.

I wonder if the decline in group size might be due to worse SEO performance--I seem to remember the site's search ranking taking a big hit after the move to tapatalk. At this point, it's on page 4 of the google results for "quit dipping." If it was on page 1 or 2 before, I bet that would explain a lot of the difference. Should we expect that Discord is going to make it easier for new quitters to find KTC? Or would we be better served by focusing on getting more traffic to the website and forums?
This 2 site approach is bullshit. One or the other. Peter said the simple truth. Role here is sacred. The integrity of KTC is getting torn apart
So, by this logic we should focus 100% on a single entity?

Forget about social media, forget about text threads, phone calls, etc. etc. etc.

All I can say is I personally disagree with this. There are people who have found KTC via a variety of avenues. There are folks who are quit 100% because of this org and have never once even visited the forums.

And no... that's not to say accountability isn't still the thing that we're built on.

Roll should 100% be on a single entity. I'm kind of shocked that this is so hard for some of you to understand.

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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #277 on: October 16, 2021, 10:44:08 AM »
will some things be changed in discord? Im trying to picture how a HOF month will go? will there be a link between the two so you can pull information to the new site easier. or even scrolling on a mobile though all the write up. with added support in the mix, maybe pin it for each day and guide people to how to view pins?
I think we are open to anything.  What we wanted to do was create an place that has everything we need.  Will things be different from a functionality?  Yes.  What will new groups look like and how will they be set up...not exactly sure.  We have to play with it and figure out what is best.  We thought about combining pre groups into one big group.  For reference...my group April 2016 had over 100 quitters join at one point.  I think we had over 70 reach HOF.  These new groups...for whatever reason...aren't big.  They get too isolated and in our opinion would be better served having a bigger group to socialize and form brotherhood.  Accountability comes from caring about your fellow person's quit and they in turn caring about your quit.

I wonder if the decline in group size might be due to worse SEO performance--I seem to remember the site's search ranking taking a big hit after the move to tapatalk. At this point, it's on page 4 of the google results for "quit dipping." If it was on page 1 or 2 before, I bet that would explain a lot of the difference. Should we expect that Discord is going to make it easier for new quitters to find KTC? Or would we be better served by focusing on getting more traffic to the website and forums?
This 2 site approach is bullshit. One or the other. Peter said the simple truth. Role here is sacred. The integrity of KTC is getting torn apart
So, by this logic we should focus 100% on a single entity?

Forget about social media, forget about text threads, phone calls, etc. etc. etc.

All I can say is I personally disagree with this. There are people who have found KTC via a variety of avenues. There are folks who are quit 100% because of this org and have never once even visited the forums.

And no... that's not to say accountability isn't still the thing that we're built on.
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #276 on: October 16, 2021, 09:06:55 AM »
In my humble opinion I am concerned that it may cause division. My group had a few people missing yesterday and when I texted them they told me they had posted on discord. To those posting on this site it just looks like they are MIQ.  It is difficult to see if everyone from a group has posted roll for the day when some are posting there and some here. Just what I have noticed in the last day or so. Thoughts?
I agree Redwood, my group was asking and i told them we would focus on this site as our main accountability, in the mean time have them check out the new site (discord) for a few weeks and we would decide and vote as a unit which site all of us will be on.
Good idea. Thanks for the input.
And it doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. I personally don't ever see myself stopping posting here on the forums. But Discord provides a platform that may help generate more conversation and foster a brotherhood more than the forums are able to do at this point. At this point try to view them as complimentary vs one trying to overtake/replace the other.

You have that damn wrong, the site is now divided.

Perhaps... but it's no less divided than it was with multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc.

We're not looking to 'replace' any of that stuff but if we can bring the community TOGETHER that's a HUGE win. I can tell you that I personally have spent more time on Discord recently than I have in many months on the forums. I can tell you that I've been engaged with months / quitters outside my month than I have in some time. Is that because it's 'new and shiny'? Maybe. But there are certain features on Discord (showing who's online at any given time in a specific month, tagging, mentions, etc. that I personally believe are better on that platform.

We know it's not for everyone, and change sucks. But the reality is we've been 'changing' and 'evolving' here at KTC ever since we started. There was a day when ALL we had was a forum (on Invisionfree). That then was augmented by the main site. Then the blog. Then the quitter blog. Then FB, Twitter, and other social media.

Then we migrated InvisionFree to Zetaboard (which some loved and others hated). Then text groups became a thing. Then GroupMe spun up. Chat was introduced. Some used it, some hated it (damn trolls).

Then was the *shudder* TapaTalk disaster which EVERYONE hated. We finally migrated to these SMF forums.

Along the way, for multiple reasons, people have gone their separate ways. Some people engage ONLY on the forums. Others are ONLY on the main site. There's a slew of folks that have never posted roll, don't belong to a FB group but yet engage on TikTok daily.

Bottom line, we're a COMMUNITY of quitters. That SUPPORT and QUIT KNOWLEDGE has never changed and candidly I think is getting BIGGER AND BETTER. It's just sort of spread out.

Sorry for the long winded answer @Skolvikings this isn't directed at you... just sort of me sitting down and getting some thoughts out.

ALL of that said, I'm honored to be quit with all of you today... In my mind, I'm looking for that 'old school' feel where we could interact, quickly on a regular basis. Remember 'trophy hunting' on the forums? That sort of thing.

I personally think Discord is getting us back to that sort of feeling. Doesn't mean I'm right... just one guy's opinion. We're not married to our ideas... if something better comes along we're open to it.

Never again... for any reason.

Chewie

The big difference between having "multiple GroupMe's, FB groups, FB pages, text groups, etc. etc. etc" and what you guys have done here is that before we all had one place to post roll. You know, that "sacred" thing that we all do to keep each other accountable? Now you have individual groups wandering around aimlessly trying to decide which site to post roll on. Pretty clear representation of the lack of leadedship you guys are providing.

Make a decision. Even if it's the wrong one, make a decision. You'll likely piss people off either way, but this half-assed "it doesn't have to be one or the other" bullshit is not only going to piss people off, it's going to destroy the main purpose of this site.

@Administrator @Moderator
Just my opinion as a quitter:

The forum is dying,  It is becoming a day count tracker.  There is not a lot of engagement anymore as Vets just tend to stick to a few groups they support or just post and ghost.  There is another tenet to this place besides Accountability and that is Brotherhood;  we hold our Brothers and Sisters accountable.  Personally I do not see quitters going into other groups and hold quitters who miss accountable.  We are slowly losing that community because the conversations and dialogue is not happening.  We were already divided - each into their own silo.

What is wrong with getting everyone engaged and listening to their opinion on how we should move forward?  What is wrong with seeing what works and what doesn't by trying it out without making a hard and fast decision?

@Peter Gibbons you say just make a decision.  I think the Admins have.... you just don't like the decision they made.
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #275 on: October 16, 2021, 06:14:51 AM »
will some things be changed in discord? Im trying to picture how a HOF month will go? will there be a link between the two so you can pull information to the new site easier. or even scrolling on a mobile though all the write up. with added support in the mix, maybe pin it for each day and guide people to how to view pins?
I think we are open to anything.  What we wanted to do was create an place that has everything we need.  Will things be different from a functionality?  Yes.  What will new groups look like and how will they be set up...not exactly sure.  We have to play with it and figure out what is best.  We thought about combining pre groups into one big group.  For reference...my group April 2016 had over 100 quitters join at one point.  I think we had over 70 reach HOF.  These new groups...for whatever reason...aren't big.  They get too isolated and in our opinion would be better served having a bigger group to socialize and form brotherhood.  Accountability comes from caring about your fellow person's quit and they in turn caring about your quit.

I wonder if the decline in group size might be due to worse SEO performance--I seem to remember the site's search ranking taking a big hit after the move to tapatalk. At this point, it's on page 4 of the google results for "quit dipping." If it was on page 1 or 2 before, I bet that would explain a lot of the difference. Should we expect that Discord is going to make it easier for new quitters to find KTC? Or would we be better served by focusing on getting more traffic to the website and forums?
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Re: General Discussion - 2021
« Reply #274 on: October 16, 2021, 01:33:07 AM »
will some things be changed in discord? Im trying to picture how a HOF month will go? will there be a link between the two so you can pull information to the new site easier. or even scrolling on a mobile though all the write up. with added support in the mix, maybe pin it for each day and guide people to how to view pins?
I think we are open to anything.  What we wanted to do was create an place that has everything we need.  Will things be different from a functionality?  Yes.  What will new groups look like and how will they be set up...not exactly sure.  We have to play with it and figure out what is best.  We thought about combining pre groups into one big group.  For reference...my group April 2016 had over 100 quitters join at one point.  I think we had over 70 reach HOF.  These new groups...for whatever reason...aren't big.  They get too isolated and in our opinion would be better served having a bigger group to socialize and form brotherhood.  Accountability comes from caring about your fellow person's quit and they in turn caring about your quit.

I wonder if the decline in group size might be due to worse SEO performance--I seem to remember the site's search ranking taking a big hit after the move to tapatalk. At this point, it's on page 4 of the google results for "quit dipping." If it was on page 1 or 2 before, I bet that would explain a lot of the difference. Should we expect that Discord is going to make it easier for new quitters to find KTC? Or would we be better served by focusing on getting more traffic to the website and forums?
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