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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2015, 06:54:00 AM »
Dude this is a great intro, and you wrote a killer HOF speech.

It is amazing how good freedom feels, isn't it? This one needs to be at the top for some new members to check out

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2015, 09:27:00 AM »
Much appreciated Sox!!! Proud to quit with you and thanks to all that contributed and assisted me in this thread early on!
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2015, 02:07:00 PM »
Any lurker or newbie that reads your HOF speech will find inspiration from it because it is inspirational. It's uncanny how we all walked down similar roads and we find ourselves after 100 days with a new sense of purpose in life. I'm glad to quit with you daily bro. The next 100 days, we can do this.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2014, 06:46:00 AM »
Quote from: Dagranger
Quote from: CavMan83
Quote from: jwright
Just reading this makes me fucking sick... sometimes I forget about this internal mental battle I used to fight. Hope I never forget how miserable this was.
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The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.
jwright,

You can't AFFORD to NOT remember Day 1.....you forget day one, you lose....I know you've probably read this a couple hundred times....but remember just how BAD the SUCK really was....and vow to never go back there again.

Awesome quit you've got going....keep it up. You are reinforcing the quit highway that others have paved before you and many will walk after you.
By my estimation the "right" side has put up a couple of w's lately. That's not easy. Keep stacking up wins.
haha, dagranger the wright pun.. Thanks guys, and for the thoughts from CavMan, I agree man and that concept started to scare me, so I made it routine to read my intro every day. Doing all I can to remind myself of the misery I used to live in. Thanks for all the support.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2014, 07:38:00 AM »
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Quote from: jwright
Just reading this makes me fucking sick... sometimes I forget about this internal mental battle I used to fight. Hope I never forget how miserable this was.
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The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.
jwright,

You can't AFFORD to NOT remember Day 1.....you forget day one, you lose....I know you've probably read this a couple hundred times....but remember just how BAD the SUCK really was....and vow to never go back there again.

Awesome quit you've got going....keep it up. You are reinforcing the quit highway that others have paved before you and many will walk after you.
By my estimation the "right" side has put up a couple of w's lately. That's not easy. Keep stacking up wins.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2014, 07:20:00 AM »
Quote from: jwright
Just reading this makes me fucking sick... sometimes I forget about this internal mental battle I used to fight. Hope I never forget how miserable this was.
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The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.
jwright,

You can't AFFORD to NOT remember Day 1.....you forget day one, you lose....I know you've probably read this a couple hundred times....but remember just how BAD the SUCK really was....and vow to never go back there again.

Awesome quit you've got going....keep it up. You are reinforcing the quit highway that others have paved before you and many will walk after you.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2014, 07:20:00 AM »
Quote from: jwright
Just reading this makes me fucking sick... sometimes I forget about this internal mental battle I used to fight. Hope I never forget how miserable this was.
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The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.
Congrats on winning. Keep it up, daily.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2014, 06:43:00 AM »
Just reading this makes me fucking sick... sometimes I forget about this internal mental battle I used to fight. Hope I never forget how miserable this was.
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The problem I face, is one that almost feels like multiple personalities... i can wake up at 8am and say, today's the day, and fast forward six hours after a tough discussion with a client or my boss, I'm losing an internal argument about why I should not go to the store to buy more. The reality... the right side has never won this argument once, or I would not be posting this.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2014, 02:51:00 PM »
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Shit almost one month down! This place has been a fucking savior for me, literally. Thanks to everyone who has assisted me so far, I'll continue to need you help along the way! Life is so much better today than when I wrote my introduction.
4 weeks is no joke. Congrats. Now get back to quitting.
haha, thanks brother.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2014, 05:28:00 PM »
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Shit almost one month down! This place has been a fucking savior for me, literally. Thanks to everyone who has assisted me so far, I'll continue to need you help along the way! Life is so much better today than when I wrote my introduction.
4 weeks is no joke. Congrats. Now get back to quitting.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2014, 03:16:00 PM »
Shit almost one month down! This place has been a fucking savior for me, literally. Thanks to everyone who has assisted me so far, I'll continue to need you help along the way! Life is so much better today than when I wrote my introduction.
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2014, 06:34:00 AM »
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Time to come clean bro, to EVERYONE.

I too was a ninja dipper. Nobody knew outside a few of my "boys". When I quit I HAD to come clean. No way I could have done it alone, or undercover.

The thing is JW, when I did come clean my family and friends were very understanding and supportive.

I think everyone can relate to the addictive powers of nicotine. It's not like I said I was a crack fiend or a heroin addict and had been sucking dick for rocks.

Don't be fooled though. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs in the world. Just because you can buy it in a store does not mean it's addictive powers are not on par or even more so that "harder" drugs. Quitting is a mother fucker.

You're in the right place though. Post role every day, get involved, and lean on those fighting the same battles.

You can do this. You WILL do this.

Quit on...
First - JW good to have you and thanks for the PM. I was a ninja also lying to everyone, looking forward to when my wife would go shopping so I could sneak one in. Pathetic. But we are now both in good company

Secondly - diesel2112 cracks me up. Put me in my place the other day on my intro and provided me with my rock bottom.
That's probably the best thing about this place is accountability and Diesel's tone is great. I'm totally bought in and committed, and love the concept of the daily roll post... it's been a huge help for me mentally giving me something to stand up for.

Back to dipping... this would fall in line with shit that makes no sense... image the fucking cycle we were in just a few short days ago... wake up, lie to your loved one, secretly wait for them to leave you alone, pack poison into your lip, make the mouth feel like absolute shit, then as soon as your done start planning and thinking about the next fuckign moment you can stuff more in.

The greatest part of my quit is this "Time Perception Distortion" change... I'm not spending half of my day counting down time until the next fix I can get so I feel like the days are twice as long...

Luke did you go so far as to keep a tin hidden in the bathroom so you could claim you were taking a shit for like 45 minutes but really pack a dip???

This was a pretty common routine for me...

Remember finding two month old water bottles you filled with spit and stashed somewhere to hide? Fucking nasty.

This is all the old me...

jw
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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2014, 12:50:00 AM »
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Time to come clean bro, to EVERYONE.

I too was a ninja dipper. Nobody knew outside a few of my "boys". When I quit I HAD to come clean. No way I could have done it alone, or undercover.

The thing is JW, when I did come clean my family and friends were very understanding and supportive.

I think everyone can relate to the addictive powers of nicotine. It's not like I said I was a crack fiend or a heroin addict and had been sucking dick for rocks.

Don't be fooled though. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs in the world. Just because you can buy it in a store does not mean it's addictive powers are not on par or even more so that "harder" drugs. Quitting is a mother fucker.

You're in the right place though. Post role every day, get involved, and lean on those fighting the same battles.

You can do this. You WILL do this.

Quit on...
First - JW good to have you and thanks for the PM. I was a ninja also lying to everyone, looking forward to when my wife would go shopping so I could sneak one in. Pathetic. But we are now both in good company

Secondly - diesel2112 cracks me up. Put me in my place the other day on my intro and provided me with my rock bottom.

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 10:02:00 PM »
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Brilliant help guys, thanks for sharing. My mind is blown to finally talk to people about this secret battle I've been waging with myself for years. There are slight variances between all the stories on here, but that common thread of having some sort of substance control your every decision seems very consistent. It's really good to be able to admit the humiliation of it to others who have been successful at taming it and understanding the battle.

If anyone out there has any resources that scientifically explain nicotine withdrawal cycles, please share. I've read quite a few via normal search, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can about what I am dealing with at the moment.

J
Nicotine Addiction 101

This same link can be found somewhere in the welcome center I believe.

Keep reading. Keep posting. Drink lots of water.

Welcome aboard. Stay committed and always remember how much you hated that feeling of not being on control.

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Great link mat849! Some good reading to further myself from the cave!!!!

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Re: Help Needed
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2014, 09:56:00 PM »
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Quote from: jwright
Brilliant help guys, thanks for sharing. My mind is blown to finally talk to people about this secret battle I've been waging with myself for years. There are slight variances between all the stories on here, but that common thread of having some sort of substance control your every decision seems very consistent. It's really good to be able to admit the humiliation of it to others who have been successful at taming it and understanding the battle.

If anyone out there has any resources that scientifically explain nicotine withdrawal cycles, please share. I've read quite a few via normal search, but I'm looking to learn as much as I can about what I am dealing with at the moment.

J
Nicotine Addiction 101

This same link can be found somewhere in the welcome center I believe.

Keep reading. Keep posting. Drink lots of water.

Welcome aboard. Stay committed and always remember how much you hated that feeling of not being on control.

Pm me if you need support digits.
The below was post by david.m in his intro, he's a Titan of preHOF Oct. '14


Some interesting research:

on Nicotine as a dopamine releasing drug, ala heroin and other opiates:

"Nicotine and opiates are very different drugs, but the endpoint, with respect to the control of dopamine signaling, is almost identical. It demonstrates the seriousness of tobacco addiction, equating its grip on the individual to that of heroin. It reinforces the fact that these addictions are very physiological in nature and that breaking away from the habit is certainly more than just mind over matter."
- Daniel McGehee, University of Chicago Medical Center.


"The 10 Hardest Drugs to Kick"
- by Jacqueline Detwiler

The chemical makeup of drugs guarantee that certain drugs are more addictive than others. The hardest ones to kick actually train your brain to crave them. A team of researchers led by professor David Nutt of London's Imperial College recently set out to determine which drugs were most harmful based on their addictive properties. Dutch scientists replicated the London study and devised a "dependency rating" that measured addictive potency of the biggest drugs out there on a precisely calibrated scale of 0-to-3.
1. Heroin - 2.89
2. Crack Cocaine - 2.82
3. Nicotine - 2.82 (tied with Crack for second "most addictive and hardest to kick" drug!!!)
4. Methadone - 2.68
5. Crystal Meth - 2.24
6. Alcohol - 2.13
7. Cocaine - 2.13
8. Amphetamines - 1.95
9. Benzodiazepines - 1.89
10. GHB - 1.71


on the first 100 days:

"There is growing evidence that on average, it takes about 90 days for the brain to break free of the immediate effects of the drug and reset itself. Researchers at Yale University call this 90-to-100 day period the 'sleeper effect,' a time during which the brain's proper... functions gradually recover."
- Tony O'Neill, in his article, "The 100-Day Hangover"


"Whatever substance you're detoxing from, there's always an attachment. We're talking about people who are cutting off something that has started to feel as vital to them as the air they breathe. So you inevitably go through this painful period of wrenching yourself away from it, and now you're feeling lousy. It's pretty common for many recovering addicts to ask, 'Is this the reward I get for getting clean?' Most people are led to believe that once they stop using, their life will start to get better, when in reality this next period can really suck. But it gets better."
- Dr. Arnold Washton, author of Willpower is Not Enough: Recovering From Addictions of Every Kind


on not replacing nicotine-addiction with other dopamine-releasing-addictions:

"If you stop using your drug of choice but continue to use alcohol or another drug, you're saying that you don't want to learn new coping skills and that you don't want to change your life. You're saying that you want to continue to rely on drugs or alcohol to escape, relax, and reward yourself. But if you don't learn those new skills, then you won't have changed, and your addiction will catch up with you all over again.
- www.AddictionsAndRecovery.org


I read another article (can't find it now to post the quotes) that essentially explained that "addicts are addicts." Meaning, after nicotine has left the body, our cravings are not really cravings for nicotine... they're cravings for dopamine. After years of nicotine use we've created extra "gates" in our brain through which the excess amount of dopamine was able to get to the brain. Now that we've stopped using, those "gates" are huuuungry. We get normal-sized shots of dopamine when we eat, have sex, exercise, complete tasks, etc... but we may also find our cravings pop up soon after (like the post-meal crave)... that's because the brain is used to getting bigger drops of dopamine at a time... so the natural ways we produce it aren't equal to the unnatural/drug-induced ways. So it wants more. The brain doesn't know (or care) what source is feeding it the excessive amounts of dopamine it's used to. So, often nicotine quitters will transition to another addiction - usually alcohol - and they're not actually breaking addiction at all, only shifting it to a new dopamine-source. The article advised steering clear of all drugs/alcohol during the first 100 days of nicotine-quitting so that the brain has time to recover and re-learn proper balance."