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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2010, 03:59:00 PM »
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Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!
Hit me around day 80. lasted for about 7 days. I knew what it was related to but just couldnt get out of it. The early funk is nothing compared to the almost to the hall funk.

fight through it and do not cave. I am sure the depression after a cave is much worse.
Depression is a very real part of quitting dip for some people. It hit me pretty hard right around day 75 or so. For me it was the realization that I wasn't going to be a dipper anymore. It was -- for lack of a better term -- sad. I couldn't believe that this thing that had been a part of my life for so long was NEVER coming back.

Like I said, it hit me pretty hard, but like all of my other withdrawal symptoms I thought of one thing to get me through...

Withdrawal symptoms, whether they be depression, rage, crawling/tingling jaw, etc. are conclusive PROOF that you have begun the healing process.

If you're like me, you chewed for upwards of 6000 days. Your body is PISSED at you for taking away it's nic fuel. Embrace it and realize that the depression (like all of the other symptoms before) will pass.

(note that I'm not a doctor and I know that clinical depression is a serious issue. If symptoms persist I'd suggest going to see a doc. With that being said, my depression issues were gone in a few short weeks)

Stay strong and realize this... you are NOT alone. You're in a fight, but you've got brothers and sisters fighting with you.

chewie
I dipped for 9855 days, quit for 68 days today and the words of warning about the day 70 fog and risks were heard. At day 30 I felt bullet proof, this was easy, no problem - then I started to read the vets warnings and caveats. Now at day 68 the dip dreams are comming every night, each morning I wake up paranoid that I had caved, only to feel an immense amount of relieve that it was just a dream. My body and brain are very pissed now, however, I only use this to make my quit stronger - Nic does not care about me, does not care that I am depressed, does not care that I hurt today and will hurt tomorrow and the next day, fuck it - I will attack one second, one minute, one hour, and one day at a time, facing each cave, cramp, headache, feeling and urge to dip at at time. No matter that Nic presents itself as the solution to all of these miniscule problems, I will remember that Nic and the associated chemicals in Dip can and do kill, a headache never killed anybody.

I will not work on Cancer's or Death's schedule, they do not work on mine.

Depressed, yup a bit, willing to fight it with you and everyone else here, absolutely.
Man, I love it! Thats the kind of hard charging attitude I like to see around here! The deadliest weapon in the world is a quitter and his quit erection!
I'm no expert and only 41 days under my belt thus far, but I can tell you what I've experienced. I was in a tough patch up until just recently. Not happy with my performance at work, paranoid about shit at home, generally questioning everything about myself - seems that my mind is struggling to figure out who I am exactly without dip. So I started working out and quit drinking - early in my quit I replaced nicotine with alcohol - BAD idea.

I've been blazing away at P90X (go ahead and make fun fuckers!) for the past two weeks late at night after the kids go to bed. This does double duty for me - I'm getting back into shape and I'm doing it at night when previously I would have been either drinking or dipping. I've seen improvement all around and it makes me, and my quit, that much stronger.

I know this - it absolutely SUCKED to feel that way and it made me want to cave. Don't do it, you're stronger than that - if I can help my number is yours for the asking.
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 07:43:00 AM »
Quote from: scooners
Quote from: iuchewie
Quote from: Fort
Quote from: Greg5280
Quote from: chucklehead
Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!
Hit me around day 80. lasted for about 7 days. I knew what it was related to but just couldnt get out of it. The early funk is nothing compared to the almost to the hall funk.

fight through it and do not cave. I am sure the depression after a cave is much worse.
Depression is a very real part of quitting dip for some people. It hit me pretty hard right around day 75 or so. For me it was the realization that I wasn't going to be a dipper anymore. It was -- for lack of a better term -- sad. I couldn't believe that this thing that had been a part of my life for so long was NEVER coming back.

Like I said, it hit me pretty hard, but like all of my other withdrawal symptoms I thought of one thing to get me through...

Withdrawal symptoms, whether they be depression, rage, crawling/tingling jaw, etc. are conclusive PROOF that you have begun the healing process.

If you're like me, you chewed for upwards of 6000 days. Your body is PISSED at you for taking away it's nic fuel. Embrace it and realize that the depression (like all of the other symptoms before) will pass.

(note that I'm not a doctor and I know that clinical depression is a serious issue. If symptoms persist I'd suggest going to see a doc. With that being said, my depression issues were gone in a few short weeks)

Stay strong and realize this... you are NOT alone. You're in a fight, but you've got brothers and sisters fighting with you.

chewie
I dipped for 9855 days, quit for 68 days today and the words of warning about the day 70 fog and risks were heard. At day 30 I felt bullet proof, this was easy, no problem - then I started to read the vets warnings and caveats. Now at day 68 the dip dreams are comming every night, each morning I wake up paranoid that I had caved, only to feel an immense amount of relieve that it was just a dream. My body and brain are very pissed now, however, I only use this to make my quit stronger - Nic does not care about me, does not care that I am depressed, does not care that I hurt today and will hurt tomorrow and the next day, fuck it - I will attack one second, one minute, one hour, and one day at a time, facing each cave, cramp, headache, feeling and urge to dip at at time. No matter that Nic presents itself as the solution to all of these miniscule problems, I will remember that Nic and the associated chemicals in Dip can and do kill, a headache never killed anybody.

I will not work on Cancer's or Death's schedule, they do not work on mine.

Depressed, yup a bit, willing to fight it with you and everyone else here, absolutely.
Man, I love it! Thats the kind of hard charging attitude I like to see around here! The deadliest weapon in the world is a quitter and his quit erection!
Quit with extreme prejudice...
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2010, 11:22:00 AM »
Quote from: iuchewie
Quote from: Fort
Quote from: Greg5280
Quote from: chucklehead
Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!
Hit me around day 80. lasted for about 7 days. I knew what it was related to but just couldnt get out of it. The early funk is nothing compared to the almost to the hall funk.

fight through it and do not cave. I am sure the depression after a cave is much worse.
Depression is a very real part of quitting dip for some people. It hit me pretty hard right around day 75 or so. For me it was the realization that I wasn't going to be a dipper anymore. It was -- for lack of a better term -- sad. I couldn't believe that this thing that had been a part of my life for so long was NEVER coming back.

Like I said, it hit me pretty hard, but like all of my other withdrawal symptoms I thought of one thing to get me through...

Withdrawal symptoms, whether they be depression, rage, crawling/tingling jaw, etc. are conclusive PROOF that you have begun the healing process.

If you're like me, you chewed for upwards of 6000 days. Your body is PISSED at you for taking away it's nic fuel. Embrace it and realize that the depression (like all of the other symptoms before) will pass.

(note that I'm not a doctor and I know that clinical depression is a serious issue. If symptoms persist I'd suggest going to see a doc. With that being said, my depression issues were gone in a few short weeks)

Stay strong and realize this... you are NOT alone. You're in a fight, but you've got brothers and sisters fighting with you.

chewie
I dipped for 9855 days, quit for 68 days today and the words of warning about the day 70 fog and risks were heard. At day 30 I felt bullet proof, this was easy, no problem - then I started to read the vets warnings and caveats. Now at day 68 the dip dreams are comming every night, each morning I wake up paranoid that I had caved, only to feel an immense amount of relieve that it was just a dream. My body and brain are very pissed now, however, I only use this to make my quit stronger - Nic does not care about me, does not care that I am depressed, does not care that I hurt today and will hurt tomorrow and the next day, fuck it - I will attack one second, one minute, one hour, and one day at a time, facing each cave, cramp, headache, feeling and urge to dip at at time. No matter that Nic presents itself as the solution to all of these miniscule problems, I will remember that Nic and the associated chemicals in Dip can and do kill, a headache never killed anybody.

I will not work on Cancer's or Death's schedule, they do not work on mine.

Depressed, yup a bit, willing to fight it with you and everyone else here, absolutely.
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2010, 11:22:00 AM »
I'm not a depressed type of person. In fact, I used to call bullshit on folks that claimed depression. I just thought they were lazy.

But this has been an emotional ordeal...or at least, as emotional as I get. I posted once at about Day 14 and I actually had tears. Then, again at about Day 70...big funk. I didn't want to cave, but I also didn't want to do anything but just veg in front of the TV.

Jogging helped me, but it was tough to find the motivation. Fight through that shit. Recognize it for what it is...that is the feeling of healing (sounds like a Motown song, huh?)

Also, the thought of "quitting forever" was depressing...then I realized all over again the genius of "yesterday + 1." You don't have to promise to quit forever...just promise no nic today.

All of this boils down to maintaining mental toughness. It took me 20 years to get myself in this position. I'm at Day 97 of getting out of it. I have only been able to do it with the help of the folks on this site. So when you feel the funk coming on, POST. When you need to vent, POST. Post roll every day. Realizing that I wasn't alone seemed to help me a great deal.

Stay strong, stay quit!

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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2010, 11:10:00 AM »
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Quote from: Greg5280
Quote from: chucklehead
Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!
Hit me around day 80. lasted for about 7 days. I knew what it was related to but just couldnt get out of it. The early funk is nothing compared to the almost to the hall funk.

fight through it and do not cave. I am sure the depression after a cave is much worse.
Depression is a very real part of quitting dip for some people. It hit me pretty hard right around day 75 or so. For me it was the realization that I wasn't going to be a dipper anymore. It was -- for lack of a better term -- sad. I couldn't believe that this thing that had been a part of my life for so long was NEVER coming back.

Like I said, it hit me pretty hard, but like all of my other withdrawal symptoms I thought of one thing to get me through...

Withdrawal symptoms, whether they be depression, rage, crawling/tingling jaw, etc. are conclusive PROOF that you have begun the healing process.

If you're like me, you chewed for upwards of 6000 days. Your body is PISSED at you for taking away it's nic fuel. Embrace it and realize that the depression (like all of the other symptoms before) will pass.

(note that I'm not a doctor and I know that clinical depression is a serious issue. If symptoms persist I'd suggest going to see a doc. With that being said, my depression issues were gone in a few short weeks)

Stay strong and realize this... you are NOT alone. You're in a fight, but you've got brothers and sisters fighting with you.

chewie
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2010, 10:57:00 AM »
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Quote from: chucklehead
Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!
Hit me around day 80. lasted for about 7 days. I knew what it was related to but just couldnt get out of it. The early funk is nothing compared to the almost to the hall funk.

fight through it and do not cave. I am sure the depression after a cave is much worse.
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2010, 10:48:00 AM »
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Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
It is not uncommon. I have heard others saying the struggled with depression and a host of other emotions, I know I did.

I had a wide range of shit going on through about day 250 or so. I was happy one day, pissed the next, depressed the next, convinced I was dying two days later.

Keep posting +1's. It does get better !!

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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2010, 10:34:00 AM »
Has anyone had any issues with depression following/resulting from their quit?
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2010, 03:45:00 PM »
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Ok, so what's the fucking deal?  I'm on day 16 and the last few days have felt like starting all over again.  I think I read somewhere that some people get heavy craves after a couple weeks, but this shit sucks. 

It feels like I caved and am now craving it again.  I'm sure I didn't but I actually starting second guessing myself. 

What's anyone else's experience with this?
I'm guessing you dipped longer than 16 days right? It's going to take a lot more time than that for your body to adjust to the new normal.

At 227 days, I was walking out of the gym last Saturday morning. I've dropped 15 pounds in the past month...feeling insanely healthy.

You know what pops into my mind as I'm walking out feeling buff, healthy, and all around like a mother f'n p-i-m-p??? Man a dip sure would be awesome right now.

I don't want to burst your bubble or cause you to have a negative outlook, but you are just going to have to accept the fact there will be many craves along the way.

The extremely bright side though is they start to come less and less...and even better is that at 231 days now, well I know how to handle them and so will you the further you progress.

Walking out of the gym, I laughed that bitch off...really honest to goodness laughed out loud. The crazy nic bitch whispering..."Hey you are in the best shape you've been in a long long time...it's a beautiful Fall Saturday. Get you a little dip, it won't hurt." It's fun now laughing them off. Sure a hell of a lot better than locking myself in a closet and praying I make it through a crave.
Chuckle,

exercise will definitely help, second and this is a big one WATCH YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS. A sugar crash will cause you to crave. Cranberry juice is a good one to sip during the day to keep your level up. If your using alot of sweets as a substitue that could be messing with you. Make sure your eating right and keep that blood sugar level stable.

Caffeine can mess with you as well, nicotine reduced the effects of caffeine, if your still drinking the same amount of coffee or triple shot expresso martinis your going to be bouncing of the walls. Ease up on the caff for a few weeks.

Lastly, Don't fixate on it. Acknowledge the craving, take a minute to feel it. Breathe deeply and move on. You will crave, but they can't hurt you. Most last only minutes. You may have 20 a day then it will be 10 then 1 then just a few a week.

Thing is this, you can take anything your addiction dishes out. All the lies, all the physical shit, all the anxiety, I KNOW you can handle it. If I could anybody can.

One day at a time, one hour, one minute, one moment- you got this

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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2010, 03:28:00 PM »
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Quote from: chucklehead
Ok, so what's the fucking deal?  I'm on day 16 and the last few days have felt like starting all over again.  I think I read somewhere that some people get heavy craves after a couple weeks, but this shit sucks. 

It feels like I caved and am now craving it again.  I'm sure I didn't but I actually starting second guessing myself. 

What's anyone else's experience with this?
I'm guessing you dipped longer than 16 days right? It's going to take a lot more time than that for your body to adjust to the new normal.

At 227 days, I was walking out of the gym last Saturday morning. I've dropped 15 pounds in the past month...feeling insanely healthy.

You know what pops into my mind as I'm walking out feeling buff, healthy, and all around like a mother f'n p-i-m-p??? Man a dip sure would be awesome right now.

I don't want to burst your bubble or cause you to have a negative outlook, but you are just going to have to accept the fact there will be many craves along the way.

The extremely bright side though is they start to come less and less...and even better is that at 231 days now, well I know how to handle them and so will you the further you progress.

Walking out of the gym, I laughed that bitch off...really honest to goodness laughed out loud. The crazy nic bitch whispering..."Hey you are in the best shape you've been in a long long time...it's a beautiful Fall Saturday. Get you a little dip, it won't hurt." It's fun now laughing them off. Sure a hell of a lot better than locking myself in a closet and praying I make it through a crave.
Chuckle,

exercise will definitely help, second and this is a big one WATCH YOUR BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS. A sugar crash will cause you to crave. Cranberry juice is a good one to sip during the day to keep your level up. If your using alot of sweets as a substitue that could be messing with you. Make sure your eating right and keep that blood sugar level stable.

Caffeine can mess with you as well, nicotine reduced the effects of caffeine, if your still drinking the same amount of coffee or triple shot expresso martinis your going to be bouncing of the walls. Ease up on the caff for a few weeks.

Lastly, Don't fixate on it. Acknowledge the craving, take a minute to feel it. Breathe deeply and move on. You will crave, but they can't hurt you. Most last only minutes. You may have 20 a day then it will be 10 then 1 then just a few a week.

Thing is this, you can take anything your addiction dishes out. All the lies, all the physical shit, all the anxiety, I KNOW you can handle it. If I could anybody can.

One day at a time, one hour, one minute, one moment- you got this

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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2010, 03:05:00 PM »
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Ok, so what's the fucking deal? I'm on day 16 and the last few days have felt like starting all over again. I think I read somewhere that some people get heavy craves after a couple weeks, but this shit sucks.

It feels like I caved and am now craving it again. I'm sure I didn't but I actually starting second guessing myself.

What's anyone else's experience with this?
I'm guessing you dipped longer than 16 days right? It's going to take a lot more time than that for your body to adjust to the new normal.

At 227 days, I was walking out of the gym last Saturday morning. I've dropped 15 pounds in the past month...feeling insanely healthy.

You know what pops into my mind as I'm walking out feeling buff, healthy, and all around like a mother f'n p-i-m-p??? Man a dip sure would be awesome right now.

I don't want to burst your bubble or cause you to have a negative outlook, but you are just going to have to accept the fact there will be many craves along the way.

The extremely bright side though is they start to come less and less...and even better is that at 231 days now, well I know how to handle them and so will you the further you progress.

Walking out of the gym, I laughed that bitch off...really honest to goodness laughed out loud. The crazy nic bitch whispering..."Hey you are in the best shape you've been in a long long time...it's a beautiful Fall Saturday. Get you a little dip, it won't hurt." It's fun now laughing them off. Sure a hell of a lot better than locking myself in a closet and praying I make it through a crave.
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2010, 01:57:00 PM »
Ok, so what's the fucking deal? I'm on day 16 and the last few days have felt like starting all over again. I think I read somewhere that some people get heavy craves after a couple weeks, but this shit sucks.

It feels like I caved and am now craving it again. I'm sure I didn't but I actually starting second guessing myself.

What's anyone else's experience with this?
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2010, 07:51:00 PM »
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I didn't use the fake stuff, but I think you should do whatever you have to to stay nic free.  You already consider it a stupid habit.  So I bet that it will be easy to quit when you're ready...just my guess.  I'm not using the fake because I am concerned it might irritate my gums, cause receding gums, etc.  Does anyone know?

Also, Teaka, I totally understand...I've had to leave early a few times too...for same reason.  The receptionist's voice irritates me (like in Office Space), the mess in our kitchen and microwave pisses me off, co-workers who are late to work, etc.  When did I become the a-hole?  These things never really bothered me before.  In fact, I used to make fun of old farts who acted like I do now?!!!  I hope this passes...but I'm already at 50 days.
Yep, I am fine with my quit at home. Its work that is killing me because I can't control things as well. Its obvious now that I used dipping as a major cope mechanism (no pun intended). Every little problem drives me nuts now and I have little patience.

I know if I went and got a prescription of valium or antivan (anti-anxiety) my quit would be 100 times easier......however am I not kinda cheating? Will I become addicted to them? Will I just be delaying having to deal with the anxiety until later when I get off the anti-anxiety meds?
For what its worth- I Chewed oregon Mint for the first 500 days . I chewed it like a beaver on crack. If I ran out I'd put a tea bag in my mouth- a REAL tea bag you sick bastards. I bought more gum and seeds and candy than a 5year old fat ass orphan with a million dollars and a sweet tooth.

I also took ativan- Like MM's in the beginning and then less and less. My opinion is this; did it help me quit NO. Does it make it easier ? Yes. WTF does that mean your thinking.

The ativan or other will help with the anxiety, but ultimately you have to learn to handle " life" without dip and without a substitute. I never made an adult decision in my life without a chew in my mouth. I snuck off at my own wedding to have a dip. I have chewed at funerals, weddings, meetings, and in the hospital while my wife was in labor. I started dipping as a kid. I never learned how to handle stress, anxiety, relationships, or any of lifes other bullshit without a dip in my mouth.

So while the ativan took the edge off, I still was faced with the task of learning how to talk to the wife ( patiently) , not kill people at work, etc. I am still learning. I would have quit with or without the drugs and fake, but they are just a tool to put in your arsenal while you gain strength and perspective on your quit. They can help you, but they will not quit for you if that makes sense.

I am now free of the anxiety meds , and only use the Oregon mint , on rare occasions, most recently duck hunting with three dippers. I believe the oral fixation is a separate habit from the nicotine addiction, and I opted to fight them seperately. Others felt that the act of using fake was making their quit harder., it is really a personal decision. If it helps do it.

Long and short is that NOTHING IS CHEATING!!!! this isn't checkers, its no rules bare knuckle boxing to the death. use any means at your disposal to keep quit.

Stay quit
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"CLOSE THE DOOR. In my opinion, it?s the single most important step in your final quit. There is one moment, THE moment, when you finally let go and surrender to the quit. After that moment, no temptation will be great enough, no lie persuasive enough to make you commit suicide by using tobacco."

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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2010, 04:49:00 PM »
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I didn't use the fake stuff, but I think you should do whatever you have to to stay nic free. You already consider it a stupid habit. So I bet that it will be easy to quit when you're ready...just my guess. I'm not using the fake because I am concerned it might irritate my gums, cause receding gums, etc. Does anyone know?

Also, Teaka, I totally understand...I've had to leave early a few times too...for same reason. The receptionist's voice irritates me (like in Office Space), the mess in our kitchen and microwave pisses me off, co-workers who are late to work, etc. When did I become the a-hole? These things never really bothered me before. In fact, I used to make fun of old farts who acted like I do now?!!! I hope this passes...but I'm already at 50 days.
Yep, I am fine with my quit at home. Its work that is killing me because I can't control things as well. Its obvious now that I used dipping as a major cope mechanism (no pun intended). Every little problem drives me nuts now and I have little patience.

I know if I went and got a prescription of valium or antivan (anti-anxiety) my quit would be 100 times easier......however am I not kinda cheating? Will I become addicted to them? Will I just be delaying having to deal with the anxiety until later when I get off the anti-anxiety meds?
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Re: Day 2;
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2010, 11:24:00 AM »
Thanks for the thoughts. I'll keep sucking on that hooch (that sound weird, doesn't it?) for the forseeable future.

BTW, ordered a few cans of the hooch. Its way better than the smokey mountain stuff I can get at walmart.
Quit Date: 10/25/2010
HOF Date: 2/1/2011
2nd Floor Date: 5/12/2011
3rd Floor Date: will be 8/20/2011