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Re: set me straight
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2014, 09:32:00 AM »
Steve,

Proud as hell to quit with you bro! Congrats on the 2nd floor ... as the first (and only) person I've met at KTC, we share a pretty cool bond. A "keep your pants on there fella" type of bond (for clarity). I'll quit with you again today, and EDD! 'Cheers'
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2014, 04:57:00 PM »
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Quote from: 30isEnuff
Quote from: doc2quit4good
Quote from: steffano626
Why does someone cave after 200 days of quit?

This question is on my mind after July 14 has seen a second cave in the past 2 weeks. I wonder if a possible answer lies in the following quote from Brettlees' HOF speech that was posted today:

"But what is it mostly the opportunity to do something you have never done before, and something few ever can- the opportunity to stop feeding your nicotine addiction successfully, and if you choose, the opportunity to actually start healing from that addiction and whatever created it in you."

Could it be that the cavers have not healed whatever created their addiction in the first place?

Clearly, caving is self-destructive. No one that I have ever heard of says that it was worth it, that one dip, or a can of dips was better than staying quit in the first place. But how many of us engage in self-destructive behaviors other than dip? Is there something inside of some of us that makes us vulnerable to addiction? If yes, then are we just a cave waiting to happen if we don't address this inner issue?

I know that I personally have engaged in numerous dangerous behaviors besides chew: heavy drinking, chronic overeating, and even contemplation of suicide at one particularly dark time in my life.

Unfortunately, I have more questions than I have answers. My hope is that whatever part of me that led me to this site and to the decision to quit nicotine has grown even stronger and will keep me on this path with my quit brothers and sisters. I believe it has.
Cavers cave, because it is no longer important for them to stay quit. It may never have been that big a deal for them to be in here every day in the first place. The ones that realize they made a big mistake come back in here and recommit to their quit but it is rare. But what the heck do I know after 393 days today. Not much, cause I dipped for 11315 days, and that is a conservative figure... The only way we win is to know that we can't fall back on our commitment to quit... That's all........
your hope is not in vain
you made it to the train.

Fear is okay...but I believe any addict can cave. Will all addicts cave? Hell no!
Eventually we have to surrender to our quit, releasing the fears and OWN/KNOW your quit.
I know I will never put the poison in my mouth. Each day my feet hit the floor I promise you and I that I will not dip today. I hate the poison and all her pimps. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing at all. I love being quit. My family loves me quit. I'm sure yours does too.
Fuck nic, let's live life! ODAAT and NAFAR.
There's some real gold in here. Thanks Steffano !
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2014, 12:50:00 AM »
Quote from: 30isEnuff
Quote from: doc2quit4good
Quote from: steffano626
Why does someone cave after 200 days of quit?

This question is on my mind after July 14 has seen a second cave in the past 2 weeks. I wonder if a possible answer lies in the following quote from Brettlees' HOF speech that was posted today:

"But what is it mostly the opportunity to do something you have never done before, and something few ever can- the opportunity to stop feeding your nicotine addiction successfully, and if you choose, the opportunity to actually start healing from that addiction and whatever created it in you."

Could it be that the cavers have not healed whatever created their addiction in the first place?

Clearly, caving is self-destructive. No one that I have ever heard of says that it was worth it, that one dip, or a can of dips was better than staying quit in the first place. But how many of us engage in self-destructive behaviors other than dip? Is there something inside of some of us that makes us vulnerable to addiction? If yes, then are we just a cave waiting to happen if we don't address this inner issue?

I know that I personally have engaged in numerous dangerous behaviors besides chew: heavy drinking, chronic overeating, and even contemplation of suicide at one particularly dark time in my life.

Unfortunately, I have more questions than I have answers. My hope is that whatever part of me that led me to this site and to the decision to quit nicotine has grown even stronger and will keep me on this path with my quit brothers and sisters. I believe it has.
Cavers cave, because it is no longer important for them to stay quit. It may never have been that big a deal for them to be in here every day in the first place. The ones that realize they made a big mistake come back in here and recommit to their quit but it is rare. But what the heck do I know after 393 days today. Not much, cause I dipped for 11315 days, and that is a conservative figure... The only way we win is to know that we can't fall back on our commitment to quit... That's all........
your hope is not in vain
you made it to the train.

Fear is okay...but I believe any addict can cave. Will all addicts cave? Hell no!
Eventually we have to surrender to our quit, releasing the fears and OWN/KNOW your quit.
I know I will never put the poison in my mouth. Each day my feet hit the floor I promise you and I that I will not dip today. I hate the poison and all her pimps. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing at all. I love being quit. My family loves me quit. I'm sure yours does too.
Fuck nic, let's live life! ODAAT and NAFAR.
There's some real gold in here. Thanks Steffano !
This info helped me early on, and still does today: https://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2014, 10:08:00 AM »
Steff - Good to be quit with you in July. You are a badass quitter.

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2014, 05:46:00 PM »
Quote from: doc2quit4good
Quote from: steffano626
Why does someone cave after 200 days of quit?

This question is on my mind after July 14 has seen a second cave in the past 2 weeks. I wonder if a possible answer lies in the following quote from Brettlees' HOF speech that was posted today:

"But what is it mostly the opportunity to do something you have never done before, and something few ever can- the opportunity to stop feeding your nicotine addiction successfully, and if you choose, the opportunity to actually start healing from that addiction and whatever created it in you."

Could it be that the cavers have not healed whatever created their addiction in the first place?

Clearly, caving is self-destructive. No one that I have ever heard of says that it was worth it, that one dip, or a can of dips was better than staying quit in the first place. But how many of us engage in self-destructive behaviors other than dip? Is there something inside of some of us that makes us vulnerable to addiction? If yes, then are we just a cave waiting to happen if we don't address this inner issue?

I know that I personally have engaged in numerous dangerous behaviors besides chew: heavy drinking, chronic overeating, and even contemplation of suicide at one particularly dark time in my life.

Unfortunately, I have more questions than I have answers. My hope is that whatever part of me that led me to this site and to the decision to quit nicotine has grown even stronger and will keep me on this path with my quit brothers and sisters. I believe it has.
Cavers cave, because it is no longer important for them to stay quit. It may never have been that big a deal for them to be in here every day in the first place. The ones that realize they made a big mistake come back in here and recommit to their quit but it is rare. But what the heck do I know after 393 days today. Not much, cause I dipped for 11315 days, and that is a conservative figure... The only way we win is to know that we can't fall back on our commitment to quit... That's all........
your hope is not in vain
you made it to the train.

Fear is okay...but I believe any addict can cave. Will all addicts cave? Hell no!
Eventually we have to surrender to our quit, releasing the fears and OWN/KNOW your quit.
I know I will never put the poison in my mouth. Each day my feet hit the floor I promise you and I that I will not dip today. I hate the poison and all her pimps. Nothing good comes from it. Nothing at all. I love being quit. My family loves me quit. I'm sure yours does too.
Fuck nic, let's live life! ODAAT and NAFAR.
Keeping my jaw and tongue...I like them.
It's poison I tell ya, You wouldn't drink Liquid Drano, would ya?

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2014, 04:27:00 PM »
Quote from: steffano626
Why does someone cave after 200 days of quit?

This question is on my mind after July 14 has seen a second cave in the past 2 weeks. I wonder if a possible answer lies in the following quote from Brettlees' HOF speech that was posted today:

"But what is it mostly the opportunity to do something you have never done before, and something few ever can- the opportunity to stop feeding your nicotine addiction successfully, and if you choose, the opportunity to actually start healing from that addiction and whatever created it in you."

Could it be that the cavers have not healed whatever created their addiction in the first place?

Clearly, caving is self-destructive. No one that I have ever heard of says that it was worth it, that one dip, or a can of dips was better than staying quit in the first place. But how many of us engage in self-destructive behaviors other than dip? Is there something inside of some of us that makes us vulnerable to addiction? If yes, then are we just a cave waiting to happen if we don't address this inner issue?

I know that I personally have engaged in numerous dangerous behaviors besides chew: heavy drinking, chronic overeating, and even contemplation of suicide at one particularly dark time in my life.

Unfortunately, I have more questions than I have answers. My hope is that whatever part of me that led me to this site and to the decision to quit nicotine has grown even stronger and will keep me on this path with my quit brothers and sisters. I believe it has.
Cavers cave, because it is no longer important for them to stay quit. It may never have been that big a deal for them to be in here every day in the first place. The ones that realize they made a big mistake come back in here and recommit to their quit but it is rare. But what the heck do I know after 393 days today. Not much, cause I dipped for 11315 days, and that is a conservative figure... The only way we win is to know that we can't fall back on our commitment to quit... That's all........
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2014, 03:20:00 PM »
Why does someone cave after 200 days of quit?

This question is on my mind after July 14 has seen a second cave in the past 2 weeks. I wonder if a possible answer lies in the following quote from Brettlees' HOF speech that was posted today:

"But what is it mostly the opportunity to do something you have never done before, and something few ever can- the opportunity to stop feeding your nicotine addiction successfully, and if you choose, the opportunity to actually start healing from that addiction and whatever created it in you."

Could it be that the cavers have not healed whatever created their addiction in the first place?

Clearly, caving is self-destructive. No one that I have ever heard of says that it was worth it, that one dip, or a can of dips was better than staying quit in the first place. But how many of us engage in self-destructive behaviors other than dip? Is there something inside of some of us that makes us vulnerable to addiction? If yes, then are we just a cave waiting to happen if we don't address this inner issue?

I know that I personally have engaged in numerous dangerous behaviors besides chew: heavy drinking, chronic overeating, and even contemplation of suicide at one particularly dark time in my life.

Unfortunately, I have more questions than I have answers. My hope is that whatever part of me that led me to this site and to the decision to quit nicotine has grown even stronger and will keep me on this path with my quit brothers and sisters. I believe it has.

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #52 on: September 10, 2014, 01:32:00 PM »
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The following is from the Nicotine Addiction 101 link listed above. I wanted to put it here as part of a discussion in July 14.

Nicotine Dependency a Mental Illness and Permanent Disease

I'm sorry but there's simply no nice way to say this. Nicotine dependency, like alcoholism, is a real mental illness and disease. While able to fully and comfortably arrest our chemical addiction, there is no cure. It's permanent. Like alcoholism there's just one rule. Once we're free, just one, using just once and we have to go back. You see, it isn't a matter of how much willpower we have, but how the brain's priorities teacher teaches, how nerve and memory cell highways that recorded years of nicotine feedings have left each of us wired for relapse.

So why are some people social smokers able to take it or leave it, while the rest of us got hooked? Referred to as "chippers," they probably account for less than 10% of all smokers. Jealous? If so and still using don't worry, it's normal. That's what enslaved brains tend to dream about, to want to become like them, to control what for us is uncontrollable.
Being immune to addiction is believed to at least in part be related to genetics. But with up to 90% of daily users hooked solid under DSM standards, spending millions studying nicotine dependency genetics seems almost laughable. Before feeling too sorry for yourself, imagine what it's like to be an alcoholic and forced to watch roughly 90% of drinkers do something that you yourself cannot, to turn and walk away. We only have to watch the 10% who are chippers.
Then again, we were each once chippers too, at least for our first couple of cigarettes or oral tobacco uses. There was no urge, desire, crave, hunger or wanting for those first couple of smokes. Nicotine stimulated our nervous system without our brain begging us to come back and do it again. There was no dopamine "aaah" relief sensation, as nothing was missing and nothing in need of replenishment. But that was about to change.

Most of us became hooked while children or teens. What none of us knew prior to that first hit of nicotine was how extremely addictive smoking it was. Roughly 26% of us started losing control over continued smoking after just 3 to 4 cigarettes, rising to 44% after smoking 5 to 9.

What we didn't then know was that within ten seconds of that very first puff, that up to 50% of our brain's dopamine pathway acetylcholine receptors would become occupied by nicotine, or that prior to finishing that first cigarette that nicotine would saturate almost all of them.

No one told us that once saturated, that continued smoking would cause our receptors to become de-sensitized, which would somehow cause our brain to grow or activate millions of extra receptors, a process known as up-regulation.
Every two hours the amount of nicotine remaining in our bloodstream declined by half (known as nicotine's elimination half-life). At some point in the process, continued stimulation, de-sensitization and up-regulation left our brain wanting and begging for more. An addiction was born as our brain was now wired to function with gradually increasing amounts of nicotine.

Not only does nicotine stimulate the release of dopamine within ten seconds of a puff, smoking it suppresses MAO, a dopamine clean-up enzyme. Suppressing MAO allows wanting's satisfaction to linger far longer than a natural release, such as the short lived sensations felt when eating food or quenching thirst.

One cigarette per day, then two, then three, the longer we smoked nicotine, the more receptors that became saturated and desensitized, the more grown, and the more nicotine needed to satisfy resulting "want" for replenishment.

As America's leading drug addiction expert puts it, the NIDA's Dr. Nora Volkow, drug addiction is a disease where brain changes translate into an inability to control drug intake. These drug induced brain modifications then signal the brain with a message that's equivalent to "when you are starving," the signal to "seek food and eat it," that the drug is "necessary to survival," that dopamine pathways ensure "long-lasting memory of salient events."

Our priorities hijacked, our mental disorder having left us totally convinced that that next nicotine fix is as important as life itself, where do we turn once we awaken and realize that we've been fooled?
Thank you! this stuff is key! we are dealing with one hell of a situation here- no way it should be legal. I'm so glad to be clean of it and glad for people like you taking is seriously and processing ways we can fight it.
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #51 on: September 10, 2014, 01:15:00 PM »
The following is from the Nicotine Addiction 101 link listed above. I wanted to put it here as part of a discussion in July 14.

Nicotine Dependency a Mental Illness and Permanent Disease

I'm sorry but there's simply no nice way to say this. Nicotine dependency, like alcoholism, is a real mental illness and disease. While able to fully and comfortably arrest our chemical addiction, there is no cure. It's permanent. Like alcoholism there's just one rule. Once we're free, just one, using just once and we have to go back. You see, it isn't a matter of how much willpower we have, but how the brain's priorities teacher teaches, how nerve and memory cell highways that recorded years of nicotine feedings have left each of us wired for relapse.

So why are some people social smokers able to take it or leave it, while the rest of us got hooked? Referred to as "chippers," they probably account for less than 10% of all smokers. Jealous? If so and still using don't worry, it's normal. That's what enslaved brains tend to dream about, to want to become like them, to control what for us is uncontrollable.
Being immune to addiction is believed to at least in part be related to genetics. But with up to 90% of daily users hooked solid under DSM standards, spending millions studying nicotine dependency genetics seems almost laughable. Before feeling too sorry for yourself, imagine what it's like to be an alcoholic and forced to watch roughly 90% of drinkers do something that you yourself cannot, to turn and walk away. We only have to watch the 10% who are chippers.
Then again, we were each once chippers too, at least for our first couple of cigarettes or oral tobacco uses. There was no urge, desire, crave, hunger or wanting for those first couple of smokes. Nicotine stimulated our nervous system without our brain begging us to come back and do it again. There was no dopamine "aaah" relief sensation, as nothing was missing and nothing in need of replenishment. But that was about to change.

Most of us became hooked while children or teens. What none of us knew prior to that first hit of nicotine was how extremely addictive smoking it was. Roughly 26% of us started losing control over continued smoking after just 3 to 4 cigarettes, rising to 44% after smoking 5 to 9.

What we didn't then know was that within ten seconds of that very first puff, that up to 50% of our brain's dopamine pathway acetylcholine receptors would become occupied by nicotine, or that prior to finishing that first cigarette that nicotine would saturate almost all of them.

No one told us that once saturated, that continued smoking would cause our receptors to become de-sensitized, which would somehow cause our brain to grow or activate millions of extra receptors, a process known as up-regulation.
Every two hours the amount of nicotine remaining in our bloodstream declined by half (known as nicotine's elimination half-life). At some point in the process, continued stimulation, de-sensitization and up-regulation left our brain wanting and begging for more. An addiction was born as our brain was now wired to function with gradually increasing amounts of nicotine.

Not only does nicotine stimulate the release of dopamine within ten seconds of a puff, smoking it suppresses MAO, a dopamine clean-up enzyme. Suppressing MAO allows wanting's satisfaction to linger far longer than a natural release, such as the short lived sensations felt when eating food or quenching thirst.

One cigarette per day, then two, then three, the longer we smoked nicotine, the more receptors that became saturated and desensitized, the more grown, and the more nicotine needed to satisfy resulting "want" for replenishment.

As America's leading drug addiction expert puts it, the NIDA's Dr. Nora Volkow, drug addiction is a disease where brain changes translate into an inability to control drug intake. These drug induced brain modifications then signal the brain with a message that's equivalent to "when you are starving," the signal to "seek food and eat it," that the drug is "necessary to survival," that dopamine pathways ensure "long-lasting memory of salient events."

Our priorities hijacked, our mental disorder having left us totally convinced that that next nicotine fix is as important as life itself, where do we turn once we awaken and realize that we've been fooled?

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2014, 10:37:00 AM »
HI Steffano i just read your intro for the first time and wanted to say I wish i'd have been with you all through your quit so far, you're doing great! Thanks for coming to Jan '14 and signing onto our 365 day challenge- proud to be quitting with you now! Reach out if you need any more support- glad to back another guy with his mind made up!
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2014, 09:05:00 AM »
I saw this quoted in BigRedDude's intro (originally posted by David.M) and decided to repost here for my own reference:

Quote:

Day 26

Some interesting research:

on Nicotine as a dopamine releasing drug, ala heroin and other opiates:

"Nicotine and opiates are very different drugs, but the endpoint, with respect to the control of dopamine signaling, is almost identical. It demonstrates the seriousness of tobacco addiction, equating its grip on the individual to that of heroin. It reinforces the fact that these addictions are very physiological in nature and that breaking away from the habit is certainly more than just mind over matter."
- Daniel McGehee, University of Chicago Medical Center.


"The 10 Hardest Drugs to Kick"
- by Jacqueline Detwiler

The chemical makeup of drugs guarantee that certain drugs are more addictive than others. The hardest ones to kick actually train your brain to crave them. A team of researchers led by professor David Nutt of London's Imperial College recently set out to determine which drugs were most harmful based on their addictive properties. Dutch scientists replicated the London study and devised a "dependency rating" that measured addictive potency of the biggest drugs out there on a precisely calibrated scale of 0-to-3.
1. Heroin - 2.89
2. Crack Cocaine - 2.82
3. Nicotine - 2.82 (tied with Crack for second "most addictive and hardest to kick" drug!!!)
4. Methadone - 2.68
5. Crystal Meth - 2.24
6. Alcohol - 2.13
7. Cocaine - 2.13
8. Amphetamines - 1.95
9. Benzodiazepines - 1.89
10. GHB - 1.71


on the first 100 days:

"There is growing evidence that on average, it takes about 90 days for the brain to break free of the immediate effects of the drug and reset itself. Researchers at Yale University call this 90-to-100 day period the 'sleeper effect,' a time during which the brain's proper... functions gradually recover."
- Tony O'Neill, in his article, "The 100-Day Hangover"


"Whatever substance you're detoxing from, there's always an attachment. We're talking about people who are cutting off something that has started to feel as vital to them as the air they breathe. So you inevitably go through this painful period of wrenching yourself away from it, and now you're feeling lousy. It's pretty common for many recovering addicts to ask, 'Is this the reward I get for getting clean?' Most people are led to believe that once they stop using, their life will start to get better, when in reality this next period can really suck. But it gets better."
- Dr. Arnold Washton, author of Willpower is Not Enough: Recovering From Addictions of Every Kind


on not replacing nicotine-addiction with other dopamine-releasing-addictions:

"If you stop using your drug of choice but continue to use alcohol or another drug, you're saying that you don't want to learn new coping skills and that you don't want to change your life. You're saying that you want to continue to rely on drugs or alcohol to escape, relax, and reward yourself. But if you don't learn those new skills, then you won't have changed, and your addiction will catch up with you all over again.
- www.AddictionsAndRecovery.org


I read another article (can't find it now to post the quotes) that essentially explained that "addicts are addicts." Meaning, after nicotine has left the body, our cravings are not really cravings for nicotine... they're cravings for dopamine. After years of nicotine use we've created extra "gates" in our brain through which the excess amount of dopamine was able to get to the brain. Now that we've stopped using, those "gates" are huuuungry. We get normal-sized shots of dopamine when we eat, have sex, exercise, complete tasks, etc... but we may also find our cravings pop up soon after (like the post-meal crave)... that's because the brain is used to getting bigger drops of dopamine at a time... so the natural ways we produce it aren't equal to the unnatural/drug-induced ways. So it wants more. The brain doesn't know (or care) what source is feeding it the excessive amounts of dopamine it's used to. So, often nicotine quitters will transition to another addiction - usually alcohol - and they're not actually breaking addiction at all, only shifting it to a new dopamine-source. The article advised steering clear of all drugs/alcohol during the first 100 days of nicotine-quitting so that the brain has time to recover and re-learn proper balance.

Addendum: This is a link to a great article borrowed from Brettlees.
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/linksaaddiction.html

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #48 on: August 18, 2014, 06:33:00 PM »
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My July 14 quit group got the bad news that one our post-HOF group caved. I am very sad to hear this. Can you imagine how it must feel? Not only have you let down yourself, your quit group, your family, friends, and coworkers, but you are now back in the clutches of that horrible addiction. Remember how the only time you felt somewhat normal was when you had that shit in your lip? The rest of the time you were withdrawing and feeling like shit, angling for your next fix. Remember how raw your lip and gums were? How it stung, but you stuck the shit in anyways because you needed your nicotine.

I hope my brother immediately realizes that he made a huge a mistake and flushes the rest of the can down the toilet, answers the 3 questions, and posts a day one. I also hopes that he builds a strong web of accountability with his new group, realizes that a successful quit requires effort.
It's a wake up call to all of us in July, it's our first HoF'er that caved, and it hurts. Protect your quit everyone.
100% agree, with both of you. Complacency kills quits. I WILL NOT become complacent. Lessons to be learned, every day here ... QLF with you two, proud as hell to call you my brothers!
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2014, 04:10:00 PM »
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My July 14 quit group got the bad news that one our post-HOF group caved. I am very sad to hear this. Can you imagine how it must feel? Not only have you let down yourself, your quit group, your family, friends, and coworkers, but you are now back in the clutches of that horrible addiction. Remember how the only time you felt somewhat normal was when you had that shit in your lip? The rest of the time you were withdrawing and feeling like shit, angling for your next fix. Remember how raw your lip and gums were? How it stung, but you stuck the shit in anyways because you needed your nicotine.

I hope my brother immediately realizes that he made a huge a mistake and flushes the rest of the can down the toilet, answers the 3 questions, and posts a day one. I also hopes that he builds a strong web of accountability with his new group, realizes that a successful quit requires effort.
It's a wake up call to all of us in July, it's our first HoF'er that caved, and it hurts. Protect your quit everyone.
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Re: set me straight
« Reply #46 on: August 18, 2014, 03:55:00 PM »
My July 14 quit group got the bad news that one our post-HOF group caved. I am very sad to hear this. Can you imagine how it must feel? Not only have you let down yourself, your quit group, your family, friends, and coworkers, but you are now back in the clutches of that horrible addiction. Remember how the only time you felt somewhat normal was when you had that shit in your lip? The rest of the time you were withdrawing and feeling like shit, angling for your next fix. Remember how raw your lip and gums were? How it stung, but you stuck the shit in anyways because you needed your nicotine.

I hope my brother immediately realizes that he made a huge a mistake and flushes the rest of the can down the toilet, answers the 3 questions, and posts a day one. I also hopes that he builds a strong web of accountability with his new group, realizes that a successful quit requires effort.

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Re: set me straight
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2014, 10:01:00 PM »
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I liked it too much--that rush/buzz when you have your first dip after a long stoppage... Honestly, that's one of the best feelings I've ever had. But I get that maybe 1 out of every 1000 chews and then only after going through painful physical withdrawal and powerful psychological cravings.


So let me get this straight. You like going through withdrawal only to start again for the buzz it brings!?!? If I was you I would read this statement again and again until you see what everyone else will see. This ^^^^ kind of thinking has to change. Let me fill you in on what you was really enjoying after a long stoppage.

You were getting the rush/buzz of death and failure. Right now you love the poison more than anything, including yourself, family and life itself. Think about how sad that is. You are believing lies my friend.

I could go through your intro and point out some more addict speak but I won't. Begin reading everything you can on nicotine/addiction. Time to start learning about this enemy. There is a lot of information on this site. Start replacing the lies with truths and you got a chance. Right now i wouldn't bet a nickle on it.
After reminding myself of how I got addicted to nicotine in my own HOF speech today, I had to bump this up in my intro as a reminder. I knew I needed someone to "set me straight" and srans helped me out. I need to reread and reread--never again, not for any reason.
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