Intro

[Mogul]

Paul, you are doing it right. Rage and vent right here at KTC. go to chat if you can and vent there too. Running, weight lifting any exercise is awesome to help the quit. Feel positive about yourself, your image, and this day shall too pass. Or do like me and stand naked in the room and flip off, bounce my balls, bend over and moon, and any other gesture you wish at the tobacco industry. Fuck em.

[J2thaZ]

First let me say I will not cave and am not even thinking about it, but holy shit I am a miserable motherfucker today. The last two days before today I was in a way better mood than this. I was still irritable but today is bad. I want to beat that shit out of everything and everyone...so i came here to rant instead and am going for a run as soon as i finish typing this. Ive been pissed since I woke up and have a short fuse. As soon as I woke up a threw on a t shirt on my way to take a piss. I put in on inside out in my half awake state and got pissed. Tried to turn it around without taking it off and my arm got stuck at which point i became enraged and ripped the fucking things offf my body like i was hulk hogan himself. Then i realized it was a brand new awesome tshirt i just got from cabelas and became even more pissed off. I dont need to go into detail but the rest of the day has been more of the same shit. Basically im just venting...no need to worry about my quit. I am fucking enraged at the nic bitch too...im out, going for a run...then maybe a swim to burn off some rage

Keep directing it at us at the NB Paul. Just remember, that this is just your "dues" from willingly be her slave for so long. Proud as hell to be quit with you today.

[Paul1231]

First let me say I will not cave and am not even thinking about it, but holy shit I am a miserable motherfucker today. The last two days before today I was in a way better mood than this. I was still irritable but today is bad. I want to beat that shit out of everything and everyone...so i came here to rant instead and am going for a run as soon as i finish typing this. Ive been pissed since I woke up and have a short fuse. As soon as I woke up a threw on a t shirt on my way to take a piss. I put in on inside out in my half awake state and got pissed. Tried to turn it around without taking it off and my arm got stuck at which point i became enraged and ripped the fucking things offf my body like i was hulk hogan himself. Then i realized it was a brand new awesome tshirt i just got from cabelas and became even more pissed off. I dont need to go into detail but the rest of the day has been more of the same shit. Basically im just venting...no need to worry about my quit. I am fucking enraged at the nic bitch too...im out, going for a run...then maybe a swim to burn off some rage

[J2thaZ]

While I despise your choice of team (M's fan here), I sincerely congratulate you for being able to see this stuff happen in "real life" now. Chances are you never noticed those fatties before, and even if you did, you looked at them and you said "wow at least I'm not addicted like those knuckleheads." You were that addicted. I was that addicted. We all were. Here's the thing...a lot more of this shit goes on than we (the public know about). I know some ex-pro football players that dipped WHILST playing. They claimed it gave them the much needed "boost of energy". All it gave them was a shorter playing career and a much higher chance for oral cancer. Think they'd take it back now for the chance to play "clean." 100% of them would.

Don't glamorize it in your head. It sucks. To put it in terms that we both (M's and Yanks fans) understand: I've never seen Robinson Cano have a pinch. Guess who leads the A.L. in hitting? It doesn't do shit for your performance bro. Don't romanticize it, that's what the NB wants you to do. She sucks every last drop of humanity and money right out of you, and up until a few days ago, you were happy to allow her to do it. Fuck her and fuck chew. You've got this man and you don't need some carcinogenic poison to live. QLF with you today.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

Im here to go on a rant again, need to vent bad. Up until 5 days ago my favorite thing to do each evening at the end of my day was throw in a fatty and sit down and watch the Yankees game. Im a huge baseball fan, not looking to get into a Yankees argument, but thats my team and I like to wattch them each night. I can no longer do this. It just pisses me off. Half the fucking guys have a massive wad in their lip or cheek and i sit here staring at that shit getting pissed and dont even watch much of the game. Its like self torture. And the part that really frys my ass, and i never thought about before now, is how is that shit not banned on the field? Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody is using an addictive drug on the field in other sports...with the exception of chew in some venues. Nobody smokes in a football game, does cocaine on the ice,takes shots of booze on a field. What a joke. What kind of kickback MLB must get from big tobacco to not ban that shit. Its their life line to get new young ball players, fans, etc addicted to the nicotine cunt. How about honoring Tony Gwynn by getting that shit out of clubhouses and dugouts. He spoke of its dangers and his regrets before passing. I love baseball and i love watching it but its hard right now. Glad to have this community, and some smokey mountain snuff finally. Also thankful the college world series is on now where the shit is banned and i can watch some decent ball without staring at a bunch of dudes with fattys in. Dont worry fellas, i wont cave and watching the game wornt make me cave like a bitch. I just needed to get this off my chest. My wife wouldn't understand if i tried to vent to her about it

100% agree. It is a shame. Tony wasn't the first MLB player to fall victim and he won't be the last.

But you know what... You don't have to fear going to the dentist again, because you aren't purposefully giving yourself cancer. You are honoring a great man by keeping your word every day.

Follow the principles of this site. They will change your life in more ways than you realize.

Great post. I totally agree. Tobacco should be illegal at this point. It is the leading cause of preventable death and it is more addictive than crack.

[worktowin]

Im here to go on a rant again, need to vent bad. Up until 5 days ago my favorite thing to do each evening at the end of my day was throw in a fatty and sit down and watch the Yankees game. Im a huge baseball fan, not looking to get into a Yankees argument, but thats my team and I like to wattch them each night. I can no longer do this. It just pisses me off. Half the fucking guys have a massive wad in their lip or cheek and i sit here staring at that shit getting pissed and dont even watch much of the game. Its like self torture. And the part that really frys my ass, and i never thought about before now, is how is that shit not banned on the field? Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody is using an addictive drug on the field in other sports...with the exception of chew in some venues. Nobody smokes in a football game, does cocaine on the ice,takes shots of booze on a field. What a joke. What kind of kickback MLB must get from big tobacco to not ban that shit. Its their life line to get new young ball players, fans, etc addicted to the nicotine cunt. How about honoring Tony Gwynn by getting that shit out of clubhouses and dugouts. He spoke of its dangers and his regrets before passing. I love baseball and i love watching it but its hard right now. Glad to have this community, and some smokey mountain snuff finally. Also thankful the college world series is on now where the shit is banned and i can watch some decent ball without staring at a bunch of dudes with fattys in. Dont worry fellas, i wont cave and watching the game wornt make me cave like a bitch. I just needed to get this off my chest. My wife wouldn't understand if i tried to vent to her about it

100% agree. It is a shame. Tony wasn't the first MLB player to fall victim and he won't be the last.

But you know what... You don't have to fear going to the dentist again, because you aren't purposefully giving yourself cancer. You are honoring a great man by keeping your word every day.

Follow the principles of this site. They will change your life in more ways than you realize.

[Paul1231]

Im here to go on a rant again, need to vent bad. Up until 5 days ago my favorite thing to do each evening at the end of my day was throw in a fatty and sit down and watch the Yankees game. Im a huge baseball fan, not looking to get into a Yankees argument, but thats my team and I like to wattch them each night. I can no longer do this. It just pisses me off. Half the fucking guys have a massive wad in their lip or cheek and i sit here staring at that shit getting pissed and dont even watch much of the game. Its like self torture. And the part that really frys my ass, and i never thought about before now, is how is that shit not banned on the field? Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody is using an addictive drug on the field in other sports...with the exception of chew in some venues. Nobody smokes in a football game, does cocaine on the ice,takes shots of booze on a field. What a joke. What kind of kickback MLB must get from big tobacco to not ban that shit. Its their life line to get new young ball players, fans, etc addicted to the nicotine cunt. How about honoring Tony Gwynn by getting that shit out of clubhouses and dugouts. He spoke of its dangers and his regrets before passing. I love baseball and i love watching it but its hard right now. Glad to have this community, and some smokey mountain snuff finally. Also thankful the college world series is on now where the shit is banned and i can watch some decent ball without staring at a bunch of dudes with fattys in. Dont worry fellas, i wont cave and watching the game wornt make me cave like a bitch. I just needed to get this off my chest. My wife wouldn't understand if i tried to vent to her about it

[Bulldog0311]

Mogul...I guess thats something I really never considered when all I really cared about was getting the next wad of shit in my mouth. Its fairly obvious I guess if you look at it objectively that the tobacco companies profit, (we addicts) keep the healthcare system running, and all we do are essentially doing is killing ourselves and giving away our money at the same time. Any additional thoughts on who profits from our demise? I feel like i might be missing some part of the bigger picture....

This is all the more reason that I dont want to look back. Im excited that I am over 48 hours now dip free but I will continue to take it one day at a time and post roll each day as that is the best thing I can do for myself. Im really looking forward to some of the physical hell getting better but I realize this is part of the process and it should get easier from here (hopefully sooner than later). Again, thanks for the support mogul, and having my back.

On a side note, do you or anyone else have a fake chew you would recommend to help with the oral habit part? Ive tried Bacc-Off but that was so nasty i dont think i can use it again. The jack links shredded jerky chew is ok but not very juicy so there is no spitting. My mouth cant really handle any more seeds

Hey Paul. Gratz on your decision. Watch out for the nic bitch. She's a sneaky one.
In use smokey mountain. You can get one free order of five cans if you pay shipping. I like the peach believe it or not.
Listen to what these guys are telling you. Steak is in my group and he's awesome. Mogul is a baddass who helped me 200 days ago when I dumped mine. You can do this. It's gonna suck but you can do it.

[Mogul]

A few guys suggested i document the struggle here on my intro page so i can look back...i have just surpassed 72 hrs dip free and am chugging a long. I find that im snapping at people a little bit but im hoping they understand. The ones who matter do any way. And fuck the rest of them they are most likely assholes anyway. I probably wouldnt think that under normal circumstances but have some rage in me right now. I havent acted on it, though i did almost beat the shit out of my brother today, but i dont care about that because A) i didnt and B) it would have been justified and C) that particular brother or mine is a weasel, scumbag, fucking drain on my family and society anyway

On a positive note. 72 hrs, going strong, and damn proud to be off dip and in this brotherhood....sorry. Needed to vent

Excellent vent Paul. That is why we are here. We are an outlet for you. Man you hit the nail on the head with your answer about the profits of our demise. I just amazes me that as hard headed as I am I would pay money to someone for their poison which will surely kill me. Addiction is the only way they can do it, because it doesn't make sense.

72 hours is awesome, the poison will soon be clear of your body if it's not already. The mind games WILL begin and the so called Nic Bitch will be wandering around you at all hours trying to trick fuck you. Be very careful and respect her but do not listen. She is a master so you have to take this as you were fighting for your life. This is a battle where the addiction is trying to take away your family, your life, and your well being. Fight with all you have.

Mogul

[Paul1231]

A few guys suggested i document the struggle here on my intro page so i can look back...i have just surpassed 72 hrs dip free and am chugging a long. I find that im snapping at people a little bit but im hoping they understand. The ones who matter do any way. And fuck the rest of them they are most likely assholes anyway. I probably wouldnt think that under normal circumstances but have some rage in me right now. I havent acted on it, though i did almost beat the shit out of my brother today, but i dont care about that because A) i didnt and B) it would have been justified and C) that particular brother or mine is a weasel, scumbag, fucking drain on my family and society anyway

On a positive note. 72 hrs, going strong, and damn proud to be off dip and in this brotherhood....sorry. Needed to vent

[Paul1231]

Mogul...I guess thats something I really never considered when all I really cared about was getting the next wad of shit in my mouth. Its fairly obvious I guess if you look at it objectively that the tobacco companies profit, (we addicts) keep the healthcare system running, and all we do are essentially doing is killing ourselves and giving away our money at the same time. Any additional thoughts on who profits from our demise? I feel like i might be missing some part of the bigger picture....

This is all the more reason that I dont want to look back. Im excited that I am over 48 hours now dip free but I will continue to take it one day at a time and post roll each day as that is the best thing I can do for myself. Im really looking forward to some of the physical hell getting better but I realize this is part of the process and it should get easier from here (hopefully sooner than later). Again, thanks for the support mogul, and having my back.

On a side note, do you or anyone else have a fake chew you would recommend to help with the oral habit part? Ive tried Bacc-Off but that was so nasty i dont think i can use it again. The jack links shredded jerky chew is ok but not very juicy so there is no spitting. My mouth cant really handle any more seeds

I used tea tree toothpicks I bought at a health food store, 3 at a time and gnawed at them hard until they broke. Others used jaw breakers I think. Oh, I estimate I spent $30,000 on my addiction in the last 16 - 17 years, just an FYI.

Never used the fake stuff....chewed a lot of seeds, chewed a lot of sugarless gum, ate a lot of spicy jerky. Also upped my exercise a lot and tackled a lot of projects around the house. It will get better, it makes life so much better to be free. Others can probably direct you on the fake stuff as it has worked very well for some

Thanks man, ive gotten some good tips on the fake stuff, i ordered a tin of a few different kinds to see what i like. Seeds and gum are doing it for now but my jaw is getting sore from all the bubble gum and mouth getting raw from all the salty seeds

[Sh4string]

Mogul...I guess thats something I really never considered when all I really cared about was getting the next wad of shit in my mouth. Its fairly obvious I guess if you look at it objectively that the tobacco companies profit, (we addicts) keep the healthcare system running, and all we do are essentially doing is killing ourselves and giving away our money at the same time. Any additional thoughts on who profits from our demise? I feel like i might be missing some part of the bigger picture....

This is all the more reason that I dont want to look back. Im excited that I am over 48 hours now dip free but I will continue to take it one day at a time and post roll each day as that is the best thing I can do for myself. Im really looking forward to some of the physical hell getting better but I realize this is part of the process and it should get easier from here (hopefully sooner than later). Again, thanks for the support mogul, and having my back.

On a side note, do you or anyone else have a fake chew you would recommend to help with the oral habit part? Ive tried Bacc-Off but that was so nasty i dont think i can use it again. The jack links shredded jerky chew is ok but not very juicy so there is no spitting. My mouth cant really handle any more seeds

I used tea tree toothpicks I bought at a health food store, 3 at a time and gnawed at them hard until they broke. Others used jaw breakers I think. Oh, I estimate I spent $30,000 on my addiction in the last 16 - 17 years, just an FYI.

Never used the fake stuff....chewed a lot of seeds, chewed a lot of sugarless gum, ate a lot of spicy jerky. Also upped my exercise a lot and tackled a lot of projects around the house. It will get better, it makes life so much better to be free. Others can probably direct you on the fake stuff as it has worked very well for some

[Thumblewort]

Mogul...I guess thats something I really never considered when all I really cared about was getting the next wad of shit in my mouth. Its fairly obvious I guess if you look at it objectively that the tobacco companies profit, (we addicts) keep the healthcare system running, and all we do are essentially doing is killing ourselves and giving away our money at the same time. Any additional thoughts on who profits from our demise? I feel like i might be missing some part of the bigger picture....

This is all the more reason that I dont want to look back. Im excited that I am over 48 hours now dip free but I will continue to take it one day at a time and post roll each day as that is the best thing I can do for myself. Im really looking forward to some of the physical hell getting better but I realize this is part of the process and it should get easier from here (hopefully sooner than later). Again, thanks for the support mogul, and having my back.

On a side note, do you or anyone else have a fake chew you would recommend to help with the oral habit part? Ive tried Bacc-Off but that was so nasty i dont think i can use it again. The jack links shredded jerky chew is ok but not very juicy so there is no spitting. My mouth cant really handle any more seeds

I used tea tree toothpicks I bought at a health food store, 3 at a time and gnawed at them hard until they broke. Others used jaw breakers I think. Oh, I estimate I spent $30,000 on my addiction in the last 16 - 17 years, just an FYI.

[Paul1231]

Mogul...I guess thats something I really never considered when all I really cared about was getting the next wad of shit in my mouth. Its fairly obvious I guess if you look at it objectively that the tobacco companies profit, (we addicts) keep the healthcare system running, and all we do are essentially doing is killing ourselves and giving away our money at the same time. Any additional thoughts on who profits from our demise? I feel like i might be missing some part of the bigger picture....

This is all the more reason that I dont want to look back. Im excited that I am over 48 hours now dip free but I will continue to take it one day at a time and post roll each day as that is the best thing I can do for myself. Im really looking forward to some of the physical hell getting better but I realize this is part of the process and it should get easier from here (hopefully sooner than later). Again, thanks for the support mogul, and having my back.

On a side note, do you or anyone else have a fake chew you would recommend to help with the oral habit part? Ive tried Bacc-Off but that was so nasty i dont think i can use it again. The jack links shredded jerky chew is ok but not very juicy so there is no spitting. My mouth cant really handle any more seeds

[Mogul]

Paul. When you are laying there in the fog, I want you to consider what you pay for when you pay for a can of poison. Let us know what you come up with. Who do you think really profits from our (an addicts) demise?

Mogul