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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2014, 11:05:00 PM »
One final thought for the day. I have never liked having thoughts or feelings of weakness. I have hated sharing or showing any weakness to others.

Having one weakness or many does not make a person weak.

Strength is recognizing the weakness in yourself, owning it, and doing whatever it takes to correct it.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2014, 09:47:00 AM »
Day 30 Time for a little reflection.

So many thoughts flying around, many of them half formed. I will attempt to make sense of them for myself, but reader beware. Let's start with a look back over the last few weeks.

Days 10-20:Most of these days I was feeling pretty good. Coming out of the fog and starting to feel more confident. Still not a productive time for me in work or life in general. Lots of time spent reading here. I think it was day 13 that I had an interview for a promotion at work. Normally the whole process is a huge stress/trigger for me. Interview went well and I was proud of myself for getting through without falling back on the mental crutch of my addiction. Day 18 I got a call from the hiring manager letting me know I was his main candidate and I would be interviewing with his supervisor the following Friday (day 23). Looking back I may have been overly confident in both my career and quit progress (more on this in a bit).

Day 23:The day of the big interview. Leading up to the day still tons of confidence. Being built up by my coworkers, "You're the man for the job," "You deserve it." Feeling great about my quit, "I've got this shit!" "One day at a time is easy, I can do anything for 24 hours." What I failed to realize (lingering fog) was how much time and effort was still required this early in my quit. It was then and still is today an almost all consuming effort. So back to the interview, I show up under prepared and not in the right state of mind. Most of the interview was easy, what I expected, and went fairly smooth. Somewhere towards the end of the interview there came a question that I was not prepared for, and quite frankly pissed me off a little bit. A question that I felt was unfair. It wasn't unfair, by the way, I just flat out wasn't prepared for an interview. This may have been another reason for my irritation and anger. If anything in the past I have over prepared for interviews. Now right in the middle of what I thought was a sure thing, I've got the job interview, I realized that I had done nothing in the four days since I was notified to prepare myself.

Needless to say I left the interview in horrible spirits. All the wind let out of my sails, feelings of personal failure, and still some excuses and thoughts trying to lay blame elsewhere, anywhere but where it belongs (on me). This began nearly a week of a strange funk fog combination. Funkog, or fogunk or whatever combination of those letters that tickles your taint. During this time I kept my head above water only because of KTC. I have been overly sensitive and extremely irritable. Same day as the interview, and back in the store, I punched a computer screen because of a bad and "unfair" customer review that I received an email about. The following Monday a delivery driver thought I should be helping him instead of the line of customers that was stacking up out front. He was promptly told to "Fuck Off!" Nothing about my thoughts or actions seemed to make sense in the real world. Here at KTC, reading the thoughts and actions of other fucked up addicts, complete strangers, is the only thing that made any sense. And then....

Day 28:A couple of breakthroughs. 1)I finally decided to break my somewhat reserved silence here. Posting roll and reading everything will only get you so far and I was at the tipping point of how far it was going to get me. Interaction and participation are crucial.

A bunch of random screen names + typing my name next to them = Error 404 Not Found

My guess is that eventual drift and failure lay down that path. So I decided to reach out to my November brothers with a request for help/suggestions on how to build brotherhood and accountability. Actual post wasn't that direct, but let's take baby steps here. Thanks to all those who replied! Moving forward I know that there are many who already have my back, and all I need to do is ask and there will be a line of others who will do the same. In addition this influenced a change in my philosophy. I will offer help and support to anyone and everyone that I can and in doing so I will never have to worry about who will be there in my hour of need.

2)My wife broke her silence on the matter of quit and dropped some hard truths that I needed to hear about quit and how it relates to my job.
1)Interviewing has always been a weakness for me. My quit and the effort put into it contributed to my lack of preparation, but should not be blamed
2)I have a good job and should not take it for granted. I am in a place where I need to concentrate on relearning and retraining myself to perform as I should in my current position.
3)Taking on the task of learning a new position will complicate the already hard process of quit. Quit deserves my full attention right now. Whatever comes promotion or no, I must and will continue to do whatever it takes to remain quit.

As for my potential promotion I am still in limbo, should hear something by Monday. The more important thing here is that my quit is both intact and stronger now than ever. Life will always have ups and downs, quit will always have ups and downs. When life does not go my way I have never considered putting a gun to my head. Why then would I choose to poison myself everyday through ups and downs? Unbelievable to me now that for 20 years killing myself was an acceptable behavior.

Well there you have it. A long winded rant. A purge of all that I have let build up inside of me. It is all in the past. Today I quit like fuck. I choose to not kill myself. The rest will take care of itself.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2014, 10:04:00 PM »
I've definitely had a few dip dreams. The best thing that can be said of them is they give you a glimpse of where you would be if you caved. So use this dream as another tool in your toolbox of quit.

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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2014, 07:03:00 PM »
Those cave dreams are a trip, right? I've been quit now for 153 days  I average a dip dream about once a month. Those dreams will have me checking my pockets, searching my truck  looking in my secret hiding places just to verify that I didn't cave. It's crazy to think how addicted we are. This too shall pass...

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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2014, 09:08:00 AM »
Dip dreams are awful. I had one a couple weeks ago, and after realizing I didn't cave, all I could think was "Really? After two months this is still happening?"

If that doesn't show you how much nicotine rewired our brain though, I don't know what will. Here's another plus: knowing you're starving the cravings so much that they have to resort to your subconscious dreams. Waking up knowing you didn't actually cave and just dreamed about it is much better than waking up and remembering you caved and bought a can or a pack.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2014, 06:33:00 AM »
PS hit me up on PM if you ever need help in any capacity!
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2014, 06:32:00 AM »
haha, I can totally relate, I had one the other day where I was dipping my face off throughout the dream and the guilt I experienced when I woke up was fucked up. Took me a few minutes to realize I was still on the right path and had only been dreaming. How's your quit going at this point?

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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2014, 06:03:00 AM »
So I had my first ever dip dream. I really thought those were a fucking myth.

Dream: Me and a couple of buddies had escaped prison. We stole a truck and some other stuff from a c-store, including a couple cans of shit. Most of the dream concentrated on me enjoying a double lipper (one on each side) while we tore down the highway running from the cops.

So by the time I was fully awake I 1)Felt like shit for being a weak ass caver.
2)Legitimately thought I was going to have to go post day 1 with December
3)Had already partially formulated my answers to the 3 questions.

One of the answers was very interesting. Why did it happen?

I was trying to take the short way out (escape from prison), instead of planning to ride through all the suck (prison sentence) to come out the other side free. When I threw in my double lipper I knew that this jailbreak had no chance of success and that I would end up back in prison.

My subconscious mind associated my addiction with a prison sentence. Pretty cool I thought, because consciously we all know that, but maybe now the fact is starting to sink in deeper for me.

Now if I could just consciously convince my self to stop feeling like a cheating asshole who lied to himself and his quit group I would be having a pretty damn good day.

Stupid fucking dream.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2014, 09:59:00 AM »
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The Two Wolves- A Native American Cherokee Story

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, “My son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all.

“One is Evil – It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

“The other is Good – It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf wins?”

The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

Stole this from fmbm707 intro because I need it to be somewhere where I can find it.
True for your quit and true for your life. I for one could certainly use the reminder.
Mat849-
Glad you liked the story. I read that story years ago and kept it in a file and rarely thought about it. Then one day in a moment of clarity that story popped in my head and it really resonated about the struggle of quitting or even just being a better person. I don't know how to explain it but my abuse of nicotine changed my character for the worse. This story reminded me a better person was in there- I just needed to feed it. These changes don't just happen over night- you have to feed the good wolf every day and by doing so that wolf will win.

Feeding the good wolf of quit with you Mat849, every damn day, one day at a time.

Keep up the good fight and Quit on.

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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
All I can say is...Damn! Thanks FMBM and yourself for sharing this. I'll be using that story for future reference. Quit on man!
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2014, 11:57:00 AM »
The Two Wolves- A Native American Cherokee Story

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, “My son, the battle is between two wolves inside us all.

“One is Evil – It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

“The other is Good – It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: “Which wolf wins?”

The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”

Stole this from fmbm707 intro because I need it to be somewhere where I can find it.
True for your quit and true for your life. I for one could certainly use the reminder.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2014, 05:27:00 PM »
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So it does finally start to get better. Yesterday, day 6 was the first day that was better than the day before instead of exponentially worse. Today the crave waves are gentle and only about waste high. Much easier to roll through the craves and on with my day. Previous waves had been the killer take you under, can't breathe, fight the undertow type. I don't miss that, but want to always remember the feeling and how much I hate the bitch so she cannot seduce me again.

More importantly I can feel my mind starting to clear. I can see myself for what I have been for the last 20 years, a selfish junkie. In my life I have faced few true struggles. Yet I have bitched about how rough I have it. My mind has always fallen back on the addiction. Just have a pinch, relax, and don't worry about anything else. To the point that I could tune out and turn off the ones that I truly love. Just let me out of the house, pull out the can, and let everthing else wash away.

And so here I am at 35, with my first true fight. Self inflicted I admit, but now I will truly fight for my life. I will fight with honesty and integrity. I will fight for the right to call myself a man.
Man....this was just what I needed today! After reading a few intros of people who've caved or just generally don't want to buy into the program, I was feeling frustrated! You sir, from everything I've read, "get it".

You're going to face many battles in this war. I'm beyond happy you are starting to feel "normal" again. Keep the guard up, she'll make another run at you, sooner or later. Get numbers, get accountability, so when she does come at you.... you can make the bitch, your bitch.

I can relate when you said you'd "tune the world out and loved ones" or "let the relaxation wash over you". That was me. When I had a dip in, nothing was wrong with the world. Things could be wrong, but I just didn't let them bother me. I had my old friend with me and she was giving me what I wanted. Or so I thought. I can tell you....being nic free, having freedom, is way better than being a slave. How I feel today, is how everyone is suppose to feel. I'm clear, happy, dealing with stress in a healthy way, no panicky feeling that I don't have any nic. Nope, I'm content living a nic free life.

Love your attitude man. Shoot me a PM if you need a number or just to talk. I'm in your corner during this fight!
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2014, 05:08:00 PM »
So it does finally start to get better. Yesterday, day 6 was the first day that was better than the day before instead of exponentially worse. Today the crave waves are gentle and only about waste high. Much easier to roll through the craves and on with my day. Previous waves had been the killer take you under, can't breathe, fight the undertow type. I don't miss that, but want to always remember the feeling and how much I hate the bitch so she cannot seduce me again.

More importantly I can feel my mind starting to clear. I can see myself for what I have been for the last 20 years, a selfish junkie. In my life I have faced few true struggles. Yet I have bitched about how rough I have it. My mind has always fallen back on the addiction. Just have a pinch, relax, and don't worry about anything else. To the point that I could tune out and turn off the ones that I truly love. Just let me out of the house, pull out the can, and let everthing else wash away.

And so here I am at 35, with my first true fight. Self inflicted I admit, but now I will truly fight for my life. I will fight with honesty and integrity. I will fight for the right to call myself a man.
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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2014, 08:51:00 AM »
Mat, thank you for your "Day 5" post. I remember all the things you describe and I never want to do that again. your post helped me know why I am quit. I'm good for the day now.

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Re: Introduction to Addiction
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2014, 08:41:00 AM »
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Day 5. Today fucking sucked! I can't focus on anything. Women's tennis wins today for holding my attention the longest. Made worse by the fact that I was paying attention to that while out to lunch with a customer. I can't sleep, not even tired tonight, just all day today. I also miss my morning shit, between 6:30 and 7 every morning. Now I randomly wander into the shitter 3-7 times a day with only about a 10% success rate.

All this suck and the only thing that keeps me going is that I'm never going to go through these days again. This is it the last quit. No more stops or breaks. NO MORE CAVES! I have been through these days before though. Stopped both smoking and dipping in 06 and stayed quit for a little over a year. Since then there have been probably 1 or 2 quits that lasted 100+ days and several that were a week to a month. Once I had a shred of accountability. In my 06 quit my wife was behind me 100%. She was my cheerleader. She was proud of my accomplishment. She told others about how good I was doing. And then I squandered it all. Not only did I cave, but I did not let my one true partner in this life in on my dirty little secret. Five years later my 3 year old daughter found a pouch, I had left it on the night stand when I took a nap on a day off. She took it to my wife and asked, "What's this?"

On that day my marriage was changed forever. I had betrayed her trust. If I could lie about this what else could I lie about? A year and a half later and we are still battling back from that moment. And now worst of all my wife does not trust in my quit. She is happy for me, glad that I have made the choice to quit, but she can't trust that I will stay quit or that I will not lie to her about it. She says that neither she nor our marriage are strong enough to go through that kind of betrayal again. She has also seen some failed attempts since she found me out, and was likely not trustful in those either. Like I said my one chance of accountability and I shit on it. Did not even have the nuts to confess my cave. Just carried on dipping for another five years.

Since my big cave and the beginning of my life of lies in 07 I have had no accountability in any of my failed attempts to kick this addiction. I have been accountable only to myself and my own nicotine addicted brain. And that is why I am here. I need to be held accountable. Without accountability I will fail. I do not think that it will be today or tomorrow or in 3 months, maybe not even 6 months. I have passed those milestones before on previous stops. But the bitch has always lured me back with "just one." I need brotherhood and accountability, and I need to find it now, while I'm still feeling "all zealous and shit."

My take away for the day is that I will always be a pickle (addict), for the rest of my life. I will never be a cucumber (normal) again. I must remain determined and vigilant 1yr, 10yrs, and 30 yrs down the road to never use nicotine in any form ever again.

For now I quit today. I will go try to get some sleep, wake up, post roll first thing and quit for another day.
Day 5 is nothing but underwear sand and cat piss. Just a wretched early day. I bet if you went and surveyed several other intros, you'd see a lot of folks feeling the urge to comment on how badly day 5 sucked for them. Seems like that's when the full blunt force of the early quit begins to strike. Your nerves are exposed and frayed. All of your available energy is focused on being quit in that moment. You're completely exhausted, but can't sleep for shit. And speaking of shit, you can't.

But, you weathered the storm. You made it to day 6 and so you post roll again and do anything and everything to protect your quit for today.

Believe me, I have plenty of firsthand knowledge of the effects (nuclear fallout, really) that the lies and ninja dipping can take on a marriage. Day 5 was the day that I finally and completely fessed up to my wife. I told her everything, laid it all out in the broad daylight. While I was relieved to have literally years full of lies off my chest, it is a conversation that I fully intend never to have again. Your wife and my wife have huge trust issues with us right now. My wife asked me how the hell she was supposed to help hold me accountable when I had just made it so clear what a sneaky, devious little ninja dipping bastard I was. I didn't really have an answer for her at the time, other than telling her to keep asking me if I'm still quit. Now that some time has gone by, it's more of the subtle things that she never picked up on before that tell her whether I am quit or not. Plus, I am very open and communicative about where I am day to day with my quit. I do my level best to spare her from the nic rage and other various drama, but she knows my wins or if I'm having a bad day.

I guess the point is, just like you can only quit one day at a time, you can only build that trust back up one day at a time.