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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2015, 11:46:00 AM »
A lot has happened over the past several months......there has been much discontent....much anger....much debate.....

much disrespect.

This post is NOT about right and wrong......it is not meant to be a debate of specifics......

It IS meant to be "food for thought".....and hopefully will give many that "wasn't there" an insight as to what the site looked like in the "old days"......

Seems to me, our primary "philosophy of quit" has evolved into a "battleground" where more effort/time is being spent criticizing, condemning, bullying, and outright disrespect propagated by strangers sitting behind keyboards.

Ole mule was served up some Kool-Aid back in the day that was very plain....but very, very good.

Give your word, Keep your word, Pass it on.....I found complete strangers taking an interest in me.....and more importantly....my quit. They encouraged, they guided, they led by the proof of their days.....it was incredible to see comma's....and impossible at the time to imagine that I would ever achieve such......yet, I was told by many vets (NOT just mods/admins) that it was possible......

and all I had to do was post roll....keep my word for today.....over and over and over....


You take a young quit.....give it that type of "faith" from peers.....

It is a powerful motivator......

It is a very good thing.....

We have somehow developed into "accountability" being defined as a license for abuse......it shouldn't be that way at all. I can look you in the eye and call you a liar.....make you accountable for your actions.....remind you of your obligation and put the question to you.....Are you willing to make amends and put forth the effort to earn back my trust?

If not, there are other quitters that need my time.....

This playing "internet tough guy" by many is not the way many of us were "brought up and taught" by our predecessors......was caving reviled? yes...always has been, always will be....which is necessary to our program. It absolutely must be addressed.....but there is a huge difference in "vets showing the way, leading by example, and making all younger quitters envious of the freedom they have attained" and instead motivating exclusively out of fear.....is fear an effective motivator? sure.....is it as effective as setting the path, showing the way and leading by encouragement without degradation? it is not.....

Somehow we have replaced a key piece of motivation (at least for me) which was "disappointing my peers".....my peers being my group and the vets that took an interest in me and were leading the site by example and involvement.....which is a much greater motivator than the "fear of getting reamed by a bunch of internet bullies hiding behind a keyboard"......

I got my ass tore outta the frame as a "young mule" when I stepped outta line......but the true lessons of life that I was taught and still stay with me as an adult are the ones that involved "disappointment in my choices/actions"......I was never afraid of a whuppin.......

I was terrified of losing the respect of many influential adults that helped make me into the man I am......

Seems to me.....we need to get back to some real accountability......and the basic building stones that have helped this site provide a haven of quit for many. This site is built FOR quitters BY quitters....it is now, and always has been a free site dedicated exclusively to the cessation of nicotine use. It is here to provide an opportunity to battle side by side....shoulder to shoulder against a shared enemy.

I'm quit today after over 2500 days because of this site and the accountability and efforts of many.....

and it feels very good to be able to make that statement......if your ahead of me....thanks for teaching me it is possible.....if you are behind me.....come on....let's get this done....and if I can help in some small way....please do not hesitate to ask.


just some musings from an old ass......

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 10:56:00 AM »
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Maybe it's time I started using this thread......6 years late.....

Many discussions, passionate and otherwise, have taken place over the past few days......I spent a good deal of time/thought on the following post. Decided to put it here......maybe it will help someone today.

I know it has helped me.....

Today....I am quit.



From a conversation in Battlefield:


Loot has always been a large part of my quit. I will not discuss in public my relationship with him. I have had conversations prior to his decision to leave.....HIS decision to leave....and exchanged a couple of texts after learning of his choice. I indicated to him it was my hope that our friendship would transcend our quits.....I still hope it will. I told him I disagreed with his choices.....as is my right. He is passionate about his position....as is his right. I will not discuss this further other than to say.....I sincerely wish him well in his venture. As proud of KTC as I am...as hard as many people have worked to make it what it is....it is not perfect and does not meet the needs of every single person that comes thru our doors. I am battling nicotine addiction.....I am not looking go build a monopoly. I think any site that offers accountability, complete cessation and the tools to quit is a wonderful thing.

Your interpretation of events is certainly your right. I will say, you are not privy to all the discussions that have taken place.....just as I am not privy to all the conversations you have had that led you to arrive at your opinion/position. If you can not successfully quit with the program KTC has built, then I would encourage you to find one that works for you. That does not mean "our way or the highway".....it simply means that you nor I can not do this alone....we both need help and need to lock in to a program that will work for us individually.......we are in a constant state of flux and transition as quitters move on/mods retire and even a few admins retire along the way. In the past couple of years I know Ready, Rutroh and most recently Fran have all retired. During the 6 plus years I have been here I have seen the retirements of Aqua, Whodey, SOS, 11x4, Chewless Jim and Ldiddy.....with the recent re-instatement of diddy, there are only 3 founding members that remain as admins...one of which is the head mechanic (Chews). Everyone of these gentlemen has impacted this site.....Their diversity came together in a unification of one goal.....quit first....and help in any way they can to perpetuate the quit of others.

I'll point out something else as well......you do not need color to have an impact on this site.....it is here with very few rules by design to allow you and every member that is quit to participate and make it their own. Look at the wild card thread......how diverse....most of those threads have been suggested by members wanting to generate brotherhood and share interests with fellow quitters......perhaps you like to post roll everywhere....maybe you are a chatter.....etc etc....

All the administrators and mods of this site are doing is trying to provide the opportunity for anyone who wants to quit to quit....AND the opportunity to pass it on or be involved.

I truly apologize to you and anyone else that has lost respect for me.....and all the admins due to their perceived perception of ineffectual leadership. I would never do anything that would intentionally and blatantly negatively impact a single solitary quit on these boards. I do stand behind my position that we have created a successful environment that is allowing many to find what they need here and successfully battle their addictions. It is my belief that you are one of those people. It is my hope that you will continue to be.....it is your choice to decide if that will be the case...only you can decide if this program/site will allow you to be successful for you.

I spent most of my evening last night in what I considered intelligent, thought provoking conversation. It was/is a good thing to exchange ideas, discuss objectives and even occasionally bump heads.....

Real life calls.....I am packing up the family and heading out for a week in the beautiful north Georgia mountains......I intend to be thankful that I am quit so I can enjoy the beauty of that area, the relaxation of watching the sun come up and go down, the shrill girlish yelps of terror from teenage boys as I drag their little asses behind a ski boat, eating, grilling and with any luck.....sneakin in a poke or two. You have my word that I will be on roll call. I have enlisted a couple of brothers from July to help me with that.....we don't have internet at the house and I am severely smart phone challenged. I will be available...as always....to anyone that has or wants my number.

We can disagree.....that is ok and to be expected. Our opinions can vary, we can have conflicting opinions, we can hate each others guts......

but as long as we have one thing.....just one thing.....it will be alright.

I posted roll this morning......I gave you my word that today....no matter what happens or comes my way.....nicotine is completely off the table for me. I assume you have done the same.......

Today....I look you in the eye, make my vow.....and quit with you.

everything else is just fluff.....
I imagined you as Sam Elliot with an American flag waving in the background....is that odd?

Good speech. I quit with you today mule. Appletini and all
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2014, 09:58:00 AM »
Maybe it's time I started using this thread......6 years late.....

Many discussions, passionate and otherwise, have taken place over the past few days......I spent a good deal of time/thought on the following post. Decided to put it here......maybe it will help someone today.

I know it has helped me.....

Today....I am quit.



From a conversation in Battlefield:


Loot has always been a large part of my quit. I will not discuss in public my relationship with him. I have had conversations prior to his decision to leave.....HIS decision to leave....and exchanged a couple of texts after learning of his choice. I indicated to him it was my hope that our friendship would transcend our quits.....I still hope it will. I told him I disagreed with his choices.....as is my right. He is passionate about his position....as is his right. I will not discuss this further other than to say.....I sincerely wish him well in his venture. As proud of KTC as I am...as hard as many people have worked to make it what it is....it is not perfect and does not meet the needs of every single person that comes thru our doors. I am battling nicotine addiction.....I am not looking go build a monopoly. I think any site that offers accountability, complete cessation and the tools to quit is a wonderful thing.

Your interpretation of events is certainly your right. I will say, you are not privy to all the discussions that have taken place.....just as I am not privy to all the conversations you have had that led you to arrive at your opinion/position. If you can not successfully quit with the program KTC has built, then I would encourage you to find one that works for you. That does not mean "our way or the highway".....it simply means that you nor I can not do this alone....we both need help and need to lock in to a program that will work for us individually.......we are in a constant state of flux and transition as quitters move on/mods retire and even a few admins retire along the way. In the past couple of years I know Ready, Rutroh and most recently Fran have all retired. During the 6 plus years I have been here I have seen the retirements of Aqua, Whodey, SOS, 11x4, Chewless Jim and Ldiddy.....with the recent re-instatement of diddy, there are only 3 founding members that remain as admins...one of which is the head mechanic (Chews). Everyone of these gentlemen has impacted this site.....Their diversity came together in a unification of one goal.....quit first....and help in any way they can to perpetuate the quit of others.

I'll point out something else as well......you do not need color to have an impact on this site.....it is here with very few rules by design to allow you and every member that is quit to participate and make it their own. Look at the wild card thread......how diverse....most of those threads have been suggested by members wanting to generate brotherhood and share interests with fellow quitters......perhaps you like to post roll everywhere....maybe you are a chatter.....etc etc....

All the administrators and mods of this site are doing is trying to provide the opportunity for anyone who wants to quit to quit....AND the opportunity to pass it on or be involved.

I truly apologize to you and anyone else that has lost respect for me.....and all the admins due to their perceived perception of ineffectual leadership. I would never do anything that would intentionally and blatantly negatively impact a single solitary quit on these boards. I do stand behind my position that we have created a successful environment that is allowing many to find what they need here and successfully battle their addictions. It is my belief that you are one of those people. It is my hope that you will continue to be.....it is your choice to decide if that will be the case...only you can decide if this program/site will allow you to be successful for you.

I spent most of my evening last night in what I considered intelligent, thought provoking conversation. It was/is a good thing to exchange ideas, discuss objectives and even occasionally bump heads.....

Real life calls.....I am packing up the family and heading out for a week in the beautiful north Georgia mountains......I intend to be thankful that I am quit so I can enjoy the beauty of that area, the relaxation of watching the sun come up and go down, the shrill girlish yelps of terror from teenage boys as I drag their little asses behind a ski boat, eating, grilling and with any luck.....sneakin in a poke or two. You have my word that I will be on roll call. I have enlisted a couple of brothers from July to help me with that.....we don't have internet at the house and I am severely smart phone challenged. I will be available...as always....to anyone that has or wants my number.

We can disagree.....that is ok and to be expected. Our opinions can vary, we can have conflicting opinions, we can hate each others guts......

but as long as we have one thing.....just one thing.....it will be alright.

I posted roll this morning......I gave you my word that today....no matter what happens or comes my way.....nicotine is completely off the table for me. I assume you have done the same.......

Today....I look you in the eye, make my vow.....and quit with you.

everything else is just fluff.....

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2014, 10:23:00 PM »
I had forgotten even that I had an intro.....

Wish I had created it as a diary of sorts of the peaks and valleys......and I hit every one of dem sumbitches....

Shoulda left the Reese Cup plan alone tho.....that 50 lbs. I found was a bitch.....

Thanks for the nostalgia gator.....

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 09:45:00 PM »
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And for our second installment of TBW...the introduction from our very own mule. My how far he has come.

Enjoy
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2014, 03:58:00 PM »
And for our second installment of TBW...the introduction from our very own mule. My how far he has come.

Enjoy
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2008, 10:55:00 AM »
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2008, 10:49:00 AM »
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Quote from: mule21
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Quote from: mule21
kinda figuring this out..... 41 - dipped cope since 13 heavy......healthy with no probs just feeling that i am pushing the envelope....i have a script of bupropion and have quit on it before however gained weight....no cope since Mon nite although did have 4-5 committ lozenges tuesday and wed prior to finding this site so this is day 1 and sucks greatly....curious if anyone else is on script or has expeerience with it
MuleÂ…

HereÂ’s the deal. LOOT knows all the meds wellÂ…except the one you mentioned. If you need the medsÂ…donÂ’t be afraid to ask the doctor. LOOT has been on and off meds for 946 days now. LOOT still has extreme anger management issues. LOOT scares LOOT sometimes. LOOT scares others too.

Lexapro worked wonders for depression. Currently, LOOT is on Paxil because it helps with the anger thing a little more. It is beautiful. LOOT is also on Xanax intermittently when the urge to kill strikes.

Bottom line is thisÂ…there is no shame in using meds. Only you know if you need them. IÂ’d rather take a little pill than kill myself with Copenhagen. LOOt is a much better person now. LOOT is sure some will frown on his use of medsÂ….but they have saved LOOT a lot of money in lawyer fees.

Discuss Paxil and Lexapro with your doctor. Ask about Xanax for the anxiety attacks.

Do NOT take this shit out on your family. You take it out on this board. It helps LOOT to call 40 a fag from time to time. You wanna talk shitÂ…you do it here. Easier said than doneÂ…

You are in for a world of hurt sonÂ…but you have no choice. You can quit on your termsÂ…or on the surgeons terms.

Look LOOT up anytime you need to talk friend.
thanks for input although after reviewing a lot of posts today, i do not fear the LOOT......script is also called well butrin? or Zyban. Anyway, i have decided to include it in my quit.......does seem to help a little although it has been a helluva day...thanks for what you are contributing to this site. i can already tell you have helped me...
Wellbutrin was the first drug LOOT tried. It did exactly squat for LOOT. LOOT then went to Prozac. Same squat ass results. Tried some other shit too. Lexapro and Paxil are the only two drugs that did anything for me...with absolutely no side effects.

and LOOT is here to help guys...the demeanor may make you question that sometimes, but LOOT could find better uses for his time. LOOT, and all of the admin/mods here genuinely care. We've been where you are and we just want to shoulder as much of the burden as possible.

enough of the sappy shit...FU40
Meds can be very helpful....everyone will react differently to each one...what works for LOOT might not work for everyone else and vice versa....also remember that it may take anywhere from 2 - 8 weeks for the drug to really start to have an effect on you...if you have any positive effects in first few days that is more likely from the placebo affect then the meds really working....discuss these things with your doctor in depth...don't leave anything out about any drinking you do, other drugs - legal or illegal, as well as your diet...meds may be very beneficial but also may kill you or cause you to do something else if you are not working under full disclosure with your doctor....

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2008, 10:13:00 AM »
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Quote from: loot
Quote from: mule21
kinda figuring this out..... 41 - dipped cope since 13 heavy......healthy with no probs just feeling that i am pushing the envelope....i have a script of bupropion and have quit on it before however gained weight....no cope since Mon nite although did have 4-5 committ lozenges tuesday and wed prior to finding this site so this is day 1 and sucks greatly....curious if anyone else is on script or has expeerience with it
MuleÂ…

HereÂ’s the deal. LOOT knows all the meds wellÂ…except the one you mentioned. If you need the medsÂ…donÂ’t be afraid to ask the doctor. LOOT has been on and off meds for 946 days now. LOOT still has extreme anger management issues. LOOT scares LOOT sometimes. LOOT scares others too.

Lexapro worked wonders for depression. Currently, LOOT is on Paxil because it helps with the anger thing a little more. It is beautiful. LOOT is also on Xanax intermittently when the urge to kill strikes.

Bottom line is thisÂ…there is no shame in using meds. Only you know if you need them. IÂ’d rather take a little pill than kill myself with Copenhagen. LOOt is a much better person now. LOOT is sure some will frown on his use of medsÂ….but they have saved LOOT a lot of money in lawyer fees.

Discuss Paxil and Lexapro with your doctor. Ask about Xanax for the anxiety attacks.

Do NOT take this shit out on your family. You take it out on this board. It helps LOOT to call 40 a fag from time to time. You wanna talk shitÂ…you do it here. Easier said than doneÂ…

You are in for a world of hurt sonÂ…but you have no choice. You can quit on your termsÂ…or on the surgeons terms.

Look LOOT up anytime you need to talk friend.
thanks for input although after reviewing a lot of posts today, i do not fear the LOOT......script is also called well butrin? or Zyban. Anyway, i have decided to include it in my quit.......does seem to help a little although it has been a helluva day...thanks for what you are contributing to this site. i can already tell you have helped me...
Wellbutrin was the first drug LOOT tried. It did exactly squat for LOOT. LOOT then went to Prozac. Same squat ass results. Tried some other shit too. Lexapro and Paxil are the only two drugs that did anything for me...with absolutely no side effects.

and LOOT is here to help guys...the demeanor may make you question that sometimes, but LOOT could find better uses for his time. LOOT, and all of the admin/mods here genuinely care. We've been where you are and we just want to shoulder as much of the burden as possible.

enough of the sappy shit...FU40

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2008, 09:23:00 PM »
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Quote from: mule21
kinda figuring this out..... 41 - dipped cope since 13 heavy......healthy with no probs just feeling that i am pushing the envelope....i have a script of bupropion and have quit on it before however gained weight....no cope since Mon nite although did have 4-5 committ lozenges tuesday and wed prior to finding this site so this is day 1 and sucks greatly....curious if anyone else is on script or has expeerience with it
MuleÂ…

HereÂ’s the deal. LOOT knows all the meds wellÂ…except the one you mentioned. If you need the medsÂ…donÂ’t be afraid to ask the doctor. LOOT has been on and off meds for 946 days now. LOOT still has extreme anger management issues. LOOT scares LOOT sometimes. LOOT scares others too.

Lexapro worked wonders for depression. Currently, LOOT is on Paxil because it helps with the anger thing a little more. It is beautiful. LOOT is also on Xanax intermittently when the urge to kill strikes.

Bottom line is thisÂ…there is no shame in using meds. Only you know if you need them. IÂ’d rather take a little pill than kill myself with Copenhagen. LOOt is a much better person now. LOOT is sure some will frown on his use of medsÂ….but they have saved LOOT a lot of money in lawyer fees.

Discuss Paxil and Lexapro with your doctor. Ask about Xanax for the anxiety attacks.

Do NOT take this shit out on your family. You take it out on this board. It helps LOOT to call 40 a fag from time to time. You wanna talk shitÂ…you do it here. Easier said than doneÂ…

You are in for a world of hurt sonÂ…but you have no choice. You can quit on your termsÂ…or on the surgeons terms.

Look LOOT up anytime you need to talk friend.
thanks for input although after reviewing a lot of posts today, i do not fear the LOOT......script is also called well butrin? or Zyban. Anyway, i have decided to include it in my quit.......does seem to help a little although it has been a helluva day...thanks for what you are contributing to this site. i can already tell you have helped me...

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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2008, 08:28:00 PM »
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LOOT scares LOOT sometimes. LOOT scares others too.
Loot scares the be-je-sus out of me. I'm glad he is here to keep me in line.
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2008, 04:58:00 PM »
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thanks man,  still decidin if i want to try it again (script)  today has been rough,  son came in from school and wanted to go hunting and i explained another day might be better....he "says" he understands but maybe bigger pix will be he will never take his first dip.......think we'll grill and watch football to take mind off for now...
My recommendation would be to just do it cold turkey. Get the nicotine out of your system in 3 days. Those 3 days suck, but in the end it is worth it.
LOOT agrees...cold turkey man...don't pussyfoot around with it...QUIT!

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2008, 04:57:00 PM »
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kinda figuring this out..... 41 - dipped cope since 13 heavy......healthy with no probs just feeling that i am pushing the envelope....i have a script of bupropion and have quit on it before however gained weight....no cope since Mon nite although did have 4-5 committ lozenges tuesday and wed prior to finding this site so this is day 1 and sucks greatly....curious if anyone else is on script or has expeerience with it
MuleÂ…

HereÂ’s the deal. LOOT knows all the meds wellÂ…except the one you mentioned. If you need the medsÂ…donÂ’t be afraid to ask the doctor. LOOT has been on and off meds for 946 days now. LOOT still has extreme anger management issues. LOOT scares LOOT sometimes. LOOT scares others too.

Lexapro worked wonders for depression. Currently, LOOT is on Paxil because it helps with the anger thing a little more. It is beautiful. LOOT is also on Xanax intermittently when the urge to kill strikes.

Bottom line is thisÂ…there is no shame in using meds. Only you know if you need them. IÂ’d rather take a little pill than kill myself with Copenhagen. LOOt is a much better person now. LOOT is sure some will frown on his use of medsÂ….but they have saved LOOT a lot of money in lawyer fees.

Discuss Paxil and Lexapro with your doctor. Ask about Xanax for the anxiety attacks.

Do NOT take this shit out on your family. You take it out on this board. It helps LOOT to call 40 a fag from time to time. You wanna talk shitÂ…you do it here. Easier said than doneÂ…

You are in for a world of hurt sonÂ…but you have no choice. You can quit on your termsÂ…or on the surgeons terms.

Look LOOT up anytime you need to talk friend.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2008, 04:50:00 PM »
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thanks man, still decidin if i want to try it again (script) today has been rough, son came in from school and wanted to go hunting and i explained another day might be better....he "says" he understands but maybe bigger pix will be he will never take his first dip.......think we'll grill and watch football to take mind off for now...
My recommendation would be to just do it cold turkey. Get the nicotine out of your system in 3 days. Those 3 days suck, but in the end it is worth it.
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Re: mule nuggets
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2008, 04:38:00 PM »
Bigger picture is you'll live to hunt with your son for many years if you stay quit. The big C is some scary SHIT and it doesn't mind who it takes with it.
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