Lost My Best Friend

[Screw_the_Chew]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Relax Diesel. I actual typed in "smokeless tobacco", "harm",  "health" in Google originally looking for just the opposite of what you think and happened to see this site and found it interesting. Interesting because it contradicts everything I've ever read about tobacco use so wanted to see how they justify what they are saying.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we can't have an open discussions about things like this........didn't you yourself have an email discussion with Brad Rodu? (thanks for posting that by the way).

Yes I am having a hard time with my quit but isn't that why we are all here in the first place? To be honest I HAVE looked for justification to start using again. How many addicts on this site can honestly say they themselves never did? That's the addiction...it's a fucking struggle and I realize it for what it is.

The cancer aside, the honest truth is chew causes so many other symptoms and disease such as high blood pressure/heart rate, gastric issues, poor circulation, and cardiovascular/heart diseases just to name a few. Knowing this, reading and discussing a site like the one I posted does not persuade me nor would I expect it with any of you.

I'm not sure why I'm telling you all of this anyway. I'm all for being passionate about a quit but lighten up and stop being such a fucking drama king about everything.

[CleanFuel]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

Screw, I know you have been having a hard time. But, listen man, if your going to go around looking for research that says it's ok to proceed with a cancer causing habit, your going down the wrong road.

Hell pick up the phone and call 10 dentists and see what they say. Dont plan for a cave, this shit did not become cancer free overnight.

I emailed back and forth with the Dr. Radu dude a year or so ago. Y

Yes...I am THAT guy. The guy admits tobacco can fuck your shit up and says he does not promote use of any kind

Rodu,Brad brad.rodu@louisville.edu
11/12/12

to me
Dear Craig,

Thanks for your message. First and foremost, I do not promote tobacco use of any kind.

Then he tries to say big tobacco really isn't to blame...


I have never swept nicotine and tobacco addiction under the rug. On the contrary, it is the most powerful of human addictions, which is why tobacco harm reduction is so critical for people who are unwilling or unable to achieve abstinence. The addictive power of tobacco is illustrated by this: it was originally cultivated only in the Western Hemisphere and was used by native Americans for thousands of years. In 1492 Columbus discovered the new world, and he also discovered tobacco. In the short space of 100 years, tobacco was being consumed by people in nearly every corner of the globe. This phenomenal explosion happened at a time when a trans-oceanic voyage took months. In the 16th Century Big Tobacco did not exist; consumption was driven then – as consumption is largely driven now – by the human brain’s powerful affinity for tobacco and nicotine.

Brad Rodu
Professor of Medicine
Endowed Chair, Tobacco Harm Reduction Research
School of Medicine
University of Louisville
505 South Hancock Street
Louisville, KY 40204
Phone 502-852-7793
Fax 502-852-7979
Email brad.rodu@louisville.edu
www.smokersonly.org
rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com


It's not wonder he defends big tobacco. Look at this 5 year unlimited grant he got from them...

From 1999 to 2004 the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company of Greenwich, Connecticut. The award supported the UAB Tobacco Research Fund, and the principal investigator was Brad Rodu. The agreement between USSTC and UAB broke new ground with regard to industry-sponsored university research. The award was completely unrestricted; the agreement specified that UAB had no obligation to USSTC regarding consequential work products. The grantor had no scientific input or other influence regarding the nature of the research projects or activities and did not have access to research reports prior to their publication. In other words, the structure of this agreement exceeded UAB guidelines with regard to financial support from external sources, and it imposed absolutely no restrictions on academic freedom in the undertaking and communication of funded research. A scientific advisory board oversaw the program. Publications or other work on this Web site supported by the UAB Tobacco Research Fund are clearly marked by the notation (UAB TRF).

In 2005 Dr. Rodu joined the University of Louisville as a professor of medicine and the first holder of an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. Financial support for the endowed chair and research activities was made possible by grants from USSTC and Swedish Match (based in Stockholm, Sweden with North American operations based in Richmond, Virginia). In 2009, U of L received separate grants from Reynolds American Inc. Services Company and Altria Client Services. All U of L grants are unrestricted, which ensures the scientific independence and integrity of research projects and activities.

Bottom line though, is who gives a fuck. It doesnt take a Doctor to figure out chew is fucking bad for you.

I quit for ME and ME only and I will help any other mother fucker on this site to help break free from the chains of nicotine addiction.

In fact reading all this shit cements my quit even further as the right thing to do.

Fuck Dr. Rodu, Fuck chew, fuck nicotine, fuck being a slave, fuck anyone who is against us, and fuck nicotine harm reduction. What a fucking oxymoron that is.

I choose Tobacco Harm ELIMINATION.

Anyone else care to join me?

Quit with every swinging dick and vag on this site. Even trannys if we have any. Ahh, who am I kidding we have some. I quit with you fuckers too.

FUCK YES!! I love it, I am with you.

Diesel is a ROCK-GOD OF QUIT!!!! Fuck man....total quit wood....!!!

[kkljinc]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

Screw, I know you have been having a hard time. But, listen man, if your going to go around looking for research that says it's ok to proceed with a cancer causing habit, your going down the wrong road.

Hell pick up the phone and call 10 dentists and see what they say. Dont plan for a cave, this shit did not become cancer free overnight.

I emailed back and forth with the Dr. Radu dude a year or so ago. Y

Yes...I am THAT guy. The guy admits tobacco can fuck your shit up and says he does not promote use of any kind

Rodu,Brad brad.rodu@louisville.edu
11/12/12

to me
Dear Craig,

Thanks for your message. First and foremost, I do not promote tobacco use of any kind.

Then he tries to say big tobacco really isn't to blame...


I have never swept nicotine and tobacco addiction under the rug. On the contrary, it is the most powerful of human addictions, which is why tobacco harm reduction is so critical for people who are unwilling or unable to achieve abstinence. The addictive power of tobacco is illustrated by this: it was originally cultivated only in the Western Hemisphere and was used by native Americans for thousands of years. In 1492 Columbus discovered the new world, and he also discovered tobacco. In the short space of 100 years, tobacco was being consumed by people in nearly every corner of the globe. This phenomenal explosion happened at a time when a trans-oceanic voyage took months. In the 16th Century Big Tobacco did not exist; consumption was driven then – as consumption is largely driven now – by the human brain’s powerful affinity for tobacco and nicotine.

Brad Rodu
Professor of Medicine
Endowed Chair, Tobacco Harm Reduction Research
School of Medicine
University of Louisville
505 South Hancock Street
Louisville, KY 40204
Phone 502-852-7793
Fax 502-852-7979
Email brad.rodu@louisville.edu
www.smokersonly.org
rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com


It's not wonder he defends big tobacco. Look at this 5 year unlimited grant he got from them...

From 1999 to 2004 the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company of Greenwich, Connecticut. The award supported the UAB Tobacco Research Fund, and the principal investigator was Brad Rodu. The agreement between USSTC and UAB broke new ground with regard to industry-sponsored university research. The award was completely unrestricted; the agreement specified that UAB had no obligation to USSTC regarding consequential work products. The grantor had no scientific input or other influence regarding the nature of the research projects or activities and did not have access to research reports prior to their publication. In other words, the structure of this agreement exceeded UAB guidelines with regard to financial support from external sources, and it imposed absolutely no restrictions on academic freedom in the undertaking and communication of funded research. A scientific advisory board oversaw the program. Publications or other work on this Web site supported by the UAB Tobacco Research Fund are clearly marked by the notation (UAB TRF).

In 2005 Dr. Rodu joined the University of Louisville as a professor of medicine and the first holder of an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. Financial support for the endowed chair and research activities was made possible by grants from USSTC and Swedish Match (based in Stockholm, Sweden with North American operations based in Richmond, Virginia). In 2009, U of L received separate grants from Reynolds American Inc. Services Company and Altria Client Services. All U of L grants are unrestricted, which ensures the scientific independence and integrity of research projects and activities.

Bottom line though, is who gives a fuck. It doesnt take a Doctor to figure out chew is fucking bad for you.

I quit for ME and ME only and I will help any other mother fucker on this site to help break free from the chains of nicotine addiction.

In fact reading all this shit cements my quit even further as the right thing to do.

Fuck Dr. Rodu, Fuck chew, fuck nicotine, fuck being a slave, fuck anyone who is against us, and fuck nicotine harm reduction. What a fucking oxymoron that is.

I choose Tobacco Harm ELIMINATION.

Anyone else care to join me?

Quit with every swinging dick and vag on this site. Even trannys if we have any. Ahh, who am I kidding we have some. I quit with you fuckers too.

FUCK YES!! I love it, I am with you.

[cr4]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

Screw, I know you have been having a hard time. But, listen man, if your going to go around looking for research that says it's ok to proceed with a cancer causing habit, your going down the wrong road.

Hell pick up the phone and call 10 dentists and see what they say. Dont plan for a cave, this shit did not become cancer free overnight.

I emailed back and forth with the Dr. Radu dude a year or so ago. Y

Yes...I am THAT guy. The guy admits tobacco can fuck your shit up and says he does not promote use of any kind

Rodu,Brad brad.rodu@louisville.edu
11/12/12

to me
Dear Craig,

Thanks for your message. First and foremost, I do not promote tobacco use of any kind.

Then he tries to say big tobacco really isn't to blame...


I have never swept nicotine and tobacco addiction under the rug. On the contrary, it is the most powerful of human addictions, which is why tobacco harm reduction is so critical for people who are unwilling or unable to achieve abstinence. The addictive power of tobacco is illustrated by this: it was originally cultivated only in the Western Hemisphere and was used by native Americans for thousands of years. In 1492 Columbus discovered the new world, and he also discovered tobacco. In the short space of 100 years, tobacco was being consumed by people in nearly every corner of the globe. This phenomenal explosion happened at a time when a trans-oceanic voyage took months. In the 16th Century Big Tobacco did not exist; consumption was driven then – as consumption is largely driven now – by the human brain’s powerful affinity for tobacco and nicotine.

Brad Rodu
Professor of Medicine
Endowed Chair, Tobacco Harm Reduction Research
School of Medicine
University of Louisville
505 South Hancock Street
Louisville, KY 40204
Phone 502-852-7793
Fax 502-852-7979
Email brad.rodu@louisville.edu
www.smokersonly.org
rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com


It's not wonder he defends big tobacco. Look at this 5 year unlimited grant he got from them...

From 1999 to 2004 the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company of Greenwich, Connecticut. The award supported the UAB Tobacco Research Fund, and the principal investigator was Brad Rodu. The agreement between USSTC and UAB broke new ground with regard to industry-sponsored university research. The award was completely unrestricted; the agreement specified that UAB had no obligation to USSTC regarding consequential work products. The grantor had no scientific input or other influence regarding the nature of the research projects or activities and did not have access to research reports prior to their publication. In other words, the structure of this agreement exceeded UAB guidelines with regard to financial support from external sources, and it imposed absolutely no restrictions on academic freedom in the undertaking and communication of funded research. A scientific advisory board oversaw the program. Publications or other work on this Web site supported by the UAB Tobacco Research Fund are clearly marked by the notation (UAB TRF).

In 2005 Dr. Rodu joined the University of Louisville as a professor of medicine and the first holder of an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. Financial support for the endowed chair and research activities was made possible by grants from USSTC and Swedish Match (based in Stockholm, Sweden with North American operations based in Richmond, Virginia). In 2009, U of L received separate grants from Reynolds American Inc. Services Company and Altria Client Services. All U of L grants are unrestricted, which ensures the scientific independence and integrity of research projects and activities.

Bottom line though, is who gives a fuck. It doesnt take a Doctor to figure out chew is fucking bad for you.

I quit for ME and ME only and I will help any other mother fucker on this site to help break free from the chains of nicotine addiction.

In fact reading all this shit cements my quit even further as the right thing to do.

Fuck Dr. Rodu, Fuck chew, fuck nicotine, fuck being a slave, fuck anyone who is against us, and fuck nicotine harm reduction. What a fucking oxymoron that is.

I choose Tobacco Harm ELIMINATION.

Anyone else care to join me?

Quit with every swinging dick and vag on this site. Even trannys if we have any. Ahh, who am I kidding we have some. I quit with you fuckers too.

STC, I see this along with your post today in Buc2's intro. I hope you aren't just planning a cave. Let me know if you need anything. Stay strong.

[Diesel2112]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

Screw, I know you have been having a hard time. But, listen man, if your going to go around looking for research that says it's ok to proceed with a cancer causing habit, your going down the wrong road.

Hell pick up the phone and call 10 dentists and see what they say. Dont plan for a cave, this shit did not become cancer free overnight.

I emailed back and forth with the Dr. Radu dude a year or so ago. Y

Yes...I am THAT guy. The guy admits tobacco can fuck your shit up and says he does not promote use of any kind

Rodu,Brad brad.rodu@louisville.edu
11/12/12

to me
Dear Craig,

Thanks for your message. First and foremost, I do not promote tobacco use of any kind.

Then he tries to say big tobacco really isn't to blame...


I have never swept nicotine and tobacco addiction under the rug. On the contrary, it is the most powerful of human addictions, which is why tobacco harm reduction is so critical for people who are unwilling or unable to achieve abstinence. The addictive power of tobacco is illustrated by this: it was originally cultivated only in the Western Hemisphere and was used by native Americans for thousands of years. In 1492 Columbus discovered the new world, and he also discovered tobacco. In the short space of 100 years, tobacco was being consumed by people in nearly every corner of the globe. This phenomenal explosion happened at a time when a trans-oceanic voyage took months. In the 16th Century Big Tobacco did not exist; consumption was driven then – as consumption is largely driven now – by the human brain’s powerful affinity for tobacco and nicotine.

Brad Rodu
Professor of Medicine
Endowed Chair, Tobacco Harm Reduction Research
School of Medicine
University of Louisville
505 South Hancock Street
Louisville, KY 40204
Phone 502-852-7793
Fax 502-852-7979
Email brad.rodu@louisville.edu
www.smokersonly.org
rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com


It's not wonder he defends big tobacco. Look at this 5 year unlimited grant he got from them...

From 1999 to 2004 the University of Alabama at Birmingham received a five-year unrestricted research grant from the United States Smokeless Tobacco Company of Greenwich, Connecticut. The award supported the UAB Tobacco Research Fund, and the principal investigator was Brad Rodu. The agreement between USSTC and UAB broke new ground with regard to industry-sponsored university research. The award was completely unrestricted; the agreement specified that UAB had no obligation to USSTC regarding consequential work products. The grantor had no scientific input or other influence regarding the nature of the research projects or activities and did not have access to research reports prior to their publication. In other words, the structure of this agreement exceeded UAB guidelines with regard to financial support from external sources, and it imposed absolutely no restrictions on academic freedom in the undertaking and communication of funded research. A scientific advisory board oversaw the program. Publications or other work on this Web site supported by the UAB Tobacco Research Fund are clearly marked by the notation (UAB TRF).

In 2005 Dr. Rodu joined the University of Louisville as a professor of medicine and the first holder of an endowed chair in tobacco harm reduction research. Financial support for the endowed chair and research activities was made possible by grants from USSTC and Swedish Match (based in Stockholm, Sweden with North American operations based in Richmond, Virginia). In 2009, U of L received separate grants from Reynolds American Inc. Services Company and Altria Client Services. All U of L grants are unrestricted, which ensures the scientific independence and integrity of research projects and activities.

Bottom line though, is who gives a fuck. It doesnt take a Doctor to figure out chew is fucking bad for you.

I quit for ME and ME only and I will help any other mother fucker on this site to help break free from the chains of nicotine addiction.

In fact reading all this shit cements my quit even further as the right thing to do.

Fuck Dr. Rodu, Fuck chew, fuck nicotine, fuck being a slave, fuck anyone who is against us, and fuck nicotine harm reduction. What a fucking oxymoron that is.

I choose Tobacco Harm ELIMINATION.

Anyone else care to join me?

Quit with every swinging dick and vag on this site. Even trannys if we have any. Ahh, who am I kidding we have some. I quit with you fuckers too.

[kkljinc]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

Screw, I know you have been having a hard time. But, listen man, if your going to go around looking for research that says it's ok to proceed with a cancer causing habit, your going down the wrong road.

Hell pick up the phone and call 10 dentists and see what they say. Dont plan for a cave, this shit did not become cancer free overnight.

[Kubrick]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

Someone posted a similar site last year I think. Turns out the "research" on that particular site was funded by none other than the big tobacco companies!

Go figure, the big tobacco companies don't want people to stop using their products, so they come up with this bullshit called "Tobacco Harm Reduction". Well I call it "Keep buying our products so we can make more money!"


If you're quit you know cold turkey works and you know this garbage funded by big tobacco is pure BS.


'B.S.'

[Quit]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

Naah, no doubt in my mind. After listening to what you said, I do agree that this kind of link should not exist on this site, so I removed my re-link.

[Diesel2112]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

What is this shit? You fucking put a link to some tobacco harm reduction site on KTC? Are you fucking stupid?

Seriously, what is the point of this?

Thus may be all a young quittter needs to see to justify going back to the can. Look at newbie, Quit. His statement is very telling. I believe you put doubt into his mind.

Why?

Sounds like soimeone is looking for a reason to cave? Maybe a little justification? Or did you just watch a fucking mudjug video on youtube? I believe this is that idiots Bible.

You REALLY want to pracrice tobacco harm reduction...fucking don't use any at all. How about that.

Throw cancer the the fuck out the window too. I mean its an obvious risk factor to using but lets just forget that, for now.

What about NICOTINE, you know, "The Bitch"

Shes the one that will have you by the balls. Controlling your life, draining you wallet, making you think you cant do the simplest task without her. Shes the one that caused me to have panic attacks, anxiety attacks, become depressed, have unthinkable thoughts when I tired to quit her. They don't really mention her too much. Shes the one who caused me to miss countless moments with my kids as I had to sneak away to be alone with her.

No MAN should be controlled like that by ANYTHING.

For me, that's what quitting was ultimately about. And I think that's what its about for most who come here. They are tired of it all. They are sick of being a slave to a can of weeds. And despite what you posted here, health risks from dip is very real. I'm sure you could find a million pages on that.

Again, not sure what hour fucking point is by posting this shit. My best guess is your pussy ass is getting weak and looking for reasons to go back to the can.

Go back if its so safe. Nobody here has you hand cuffed to a jail cell. But if you do go back the nic bitch will be laughing and rolling a blunt as another victim comes crawling back. Big tobacco will be thankful too.

Keep this fucking shit out of here.

[Quit]

I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

Read through this and it contradicts almost everything I have ever read about smokeless tobacco. I guess I will just put this one in the category that you can not believe everything you read on the internet.

[Screw_the_Chew]

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq ... obacco.htm


I'm not promoting or saying I agree but check out this website above.

How much bullshit is this? But It has references to recent studies and is written by what looks like a well established dentist and a researcher.

[Kubrick]

I know what you guys speak is the truth and nothing but the truth. You're right.....the truth is I've been a huge addict for 22 years and I can't expect it all to go away in 34 days.

I really do believe the tobacco companies intentionally put a chemical in tobacco that greatly enhances the addiction....it's so fucked up what big corporations, lobbies, and of course money will buy you. I know it's my fault for doing this shit in the first place but these fuckers need to be exposed for the poisons they create, promote, and sell.

I feel beetr today and hopefully the FUNK in gone for now. Maybe a was just hurdling over a milestone mentally or something.

In the past month since quitting, I have been unmotivated, lazy, depressed, irritable, and not really working out and playing sports; I gained three pounds. Today I feel motivated like I havenÂ’t felt in a long time. I know in my mind that it is time for me to get myself out of this lazy, weak, self-absorbed slump and start getting my life backÂ….my way!

I'm not saying this will be the last time I need help (I'm sure it won't) but thanks for being there and helping everyone

You will go through many funk periods, and many craves, but it will get better. Just take it one day, one hour or one minute at a time.

Give big tobacco the finger today, that's all you need to do. Do not let them win. I too dipped for 22 years, and now I have been nic free for 379 days. If my addicted butt can do it, then so can yours. Your addiction isn't any worse than mine was. Just post roll and quit each day. That's all it takes.

[kkljinc]

I know what you guys speak is the truth and nothing but the truth. You're right.....the truth is I've been a huge addict for 22 years and I can't expect it all to go away in 34 days.

I really do believe the tobacco companies intentionally put a chemical in tobacco that greatly enhances the addiction....it's so fucked up what big corporations, lobbies, and of course money will buy you. I know it's my fault for doing this shit in the first place but these fuckers need to be exposed for the poisons they create, promote, and sell.

I feel beetr today and hopefully the FUNK in gone for now. Maybe a was just hurdling over a milestone mentally or something.

In the past month since quitting, I have been unmotivated, lazy, depressed, irritable, and not really working out and playing sports; I gained three pounds. Today I feel motivated like I havenÂ’t felt in a long time. I know in my mind that it is time for me to get myself out of this lazy, weak, self-absorbed slump and start getting my life backÂ….my way!

I'm not saying this will be the last time I need help (I'm sure it won't) but thanks for being there and helping everyone

I sent you a text today, brother! Ill do it everyday if you want. I may do it everyday just to bug the ever living shit out of you.

[Screw_the_Chew]

I know what you guys speak is the truth and nothing but the truth. You're right.....the truth is I've been a huge addict for 22 years and I can't expect it all to go away in 34 days.

I really do believe the tobacco companies intentionally put a chemical in tobacco that greatly enhances the addiction....it's so fucked up what big corporations, lobbies, and of course money will buy you. I know it's my fault for doing this shit in the first place but these fuckers need to be exposed for the poisons they create, promote, and sell.

I feel beetr today and hopefully the FUNK in gone for now. Maybe a was just hurdling over a milestone mentally or something.

In the past month since quitting, I have been unmotivated, lazy, depressed, irritable, and not really working out and playing sports; I gained three pounds. Today I feel motivated like I havenÂ’t felt in a long time. I know in my mind that it is time for me to get myself out of this lazy, weak, self-absorbed slump and start getting my life backÂ….my way!

I'm not saying this will be the last time I need help (I'm sure it won't) but thanks for being there and helping everyone

[jbradley]

Thanks everyone. I'm having a very tough time and didn't predict this would happen at day 30 or 33. I wish to God tobacco was good for you and dipping had health benes. I have to get my mind in the right place here, keep plugging at it, and hope that it will someday get better.

First off, take the HOPE out of it because it WILL get better.

Second, your pretty sly with two pretty big intros. Had to do some searching as I was almost positive you're original intro was something about you losing a "friend".

I found it and dude...you chewed for 22 years...that's 8,030 days.

You have been quit for 33 days. The ratio of good to bad is still very fucked up. You can't beat, or even get comfortably away from an EIGHT THOUSAND day routine, in 33 days.

I know you want to. I did as well, but it's just not a reasonable expectation.

"do you think there is a point a person crosses when using tobacco where it becomes next to impossible to remain quit?"

FUCK NO. That is bullshit talk right there and you need to get that shit the fuck out your head.

You're funking, HARD! I get it. We have all been there. Part of me wants to tear you a new asshole, but I don't think that will do much good today.

You're down and filled with doubt. Fuck, you're wishing dip was somehow GOOD for you. Your shit is jacked UP.

You just have to grind it out my friend. You fucked yourself up for over 8,000 days. You have a lot of unraveling to do. We all did. 33 days is not enough time.

In the grand scheme, this is just a tiny snapshot of suck in your life. Things WILL get better. They have done so for ALL of us. You are not special or cursed. They will for you too.

Hang tough bro. We are here for you.

Listen to Diesel, he speaks the truth. When you get like this, it is probably a funk. I have been through a couple of doozies and my advice to you is keep your eyes on your goal. Quit for today! If you have to force yourself to post roll. Put your head down and push through this shit, it might even get to the point where you think it will never get better. You know what, it does get better. One day you will wake up and all of a sudden things arent so bad. get your ass into chat, those guys will set you straight. We can't help if you don't use the tools available, chat, numbers (how many of those do you have?), and venting here are all great ways to get through a funk. You need help, pm me and I will do what I can.