Introduction

[Pinched]

Congrats on 100 brother. You were instrumental in helping keep our group moving along in a forward motion.

Thank you,
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[duathman]

And now we roll over to the land of O H I O to pick up a Juvenile Probation Officer a Mental Health/ Addictions Counselor all wrapped into one named Fightin Ignorance. FI is married to a great woman that has given him two little boys that are running his life right now. When asked when did he start dipping and what did he do he responded, “I think I was around 12yrs old when I had my first dip. I got sick as hell. Wanting to fit-in and peer-pressure kept me trying it. When I was 14yrs old is when I got hooked. I dipped regularly with fellow football teammates. I dipped Skoal Longcut Wintergreen when I first began, then switched to Skoal Fin Cut. By my junior or senior year in high school I was doing Coughingagen fine cut (a can a day). These were my choice of drug but it didn’t really matter. I dipped numerous brands. Basically, whatever was available at the time.” When FI makes his way onto the train he will share his knowledge he has gained and the support he has given. When asked if he enjoys anything inappropriate he said just having a few drinks with the pals and then backs that up with going to celebrate 100 days quit with a fun filled night tonight with Mrs. FI (cough cough.--- His words not mine!!)

FI plans to sign up for 200, drives an Acura MDX but wants a “sweet full-size 4X4 silverado though” and loves ROCKY series, The Program, National Lampoons Christmas Vacation, Courageous, Band Of brothers series, Castle, CSI, Criminal Minds, Graceland, Big Brother, Football, Baseball, Softball. Words of wisdom FI states “Relapse is prevented and Recovery (or staying Nic free) is maintained. For those who are complete noobs, drink the KTC koolaid. Don’t lie to yourself and think you’re a special butterfly. This will bring failure to most. Post roll and participate in the site. This is the great plan of accountability, nothing more and nothing less.” FI would like to thank Mcarmo44, sportsfan, Cbird, Suds, Duathman, Pinched, Chad, Haas, and others would text, check in and simply support. This has been enough to help me fight the weed.

Welcome to the HOF FI.

[worktowin]

Day 87..here is a post I made today that I want to remember. I only hope it was beneficial for someone besides me. (their convo was on Sept 19, 2013 for future reference)

I am glad you two have agreed to disagree, at least that is what appears. I am only responding to provoke thought in as many quitters as possible.

Through this conversation Whiplashsmile is accusing Jlud of being judge, jury, and executioner when he is simply stating facts. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Is this not being the judge, jury, and executioner of Jlud?

Whiplashsmile has a point, none of us can actually know without a doubt the degree of commitment in someone to themselves because it is personal. However, our actions are examples, evidence, proof of this commitment. Whiplashsmile has a definite special circumstance and it is admirable to be doing what you are doing with the other family as you work on healing yourself.

It is your choice to decide each day how much involvement you want to have on this site, how much you want to invest in your quit, and how much you want to invest in others. I am not trying to make this decision for you but want to offer some info to consider that I have learned from a previous cave after 3yrs of stopping and experience as a professional who works with addicts daily. If we do not invest in our quit nor in others who are quitting with us the probability of long-term sobriety decreases significantly. Why? Because we become complacent.

I have not seen a duck yet who has offered accountability, constructive confrontation, or encouragement that has not meant it genuinely for the betterment of others. Yet, some continue to find it abrasive and respond as if it is meant to boast while making them feel like shit. I don't think this has been the intention of anyone who has offered feedback. I may have missed something though.

Commitment to self and or others is again proven by actions. Commitment and self-discipline are not mutually-exclusive. Thus, if one is committed they are utilizing and presenting with self-discipline. This means they will do everything possible to follow through with the plan to stay quit.

If you ask your self, "Am I doing everything I can to strengthen my quit and strengthen my resolve," and the answer is yes, then there is no reason to defend yourself. However, often many people will resist and rebuke those who offer solid, appropriate accountability because they are questioning themselves. Again, this not specifically direct at Whiplashsmile. Simply, the convo between him and Jlud spurred these thoughts and remain a tool to help illustrate.

I wrote this for all of us to reflect upon. May all DUCKS stay quit and Quack on!

I appreciate your input FI, your a fine duck and quitter. Glad to have you along with me in this ride of ours. I certainly had no idea what Whiplash was dealing with during his quit, I only meant to stir up some accountability as far as roll call was concerned.

However I stand by my opinions as far as roll is concerned and would dare to say that most long time vets around the site would agree. Even in the most extreme of circumstances I might even say it's even more important to text or find a way to reach a brother to post for you. Making my daily promise to all of you to remain nicotine free today is just what I know "I" have to do stay quit today. Then I can deal with whatever life throws at me the rest of the day.

Great words in this post. This site works if you make it work. The plan works. If you follow the plan. It is really pretty simple. Post roll everyday first thing. Keep your word. Get numbers, send Pms, make connections. Get support. Give support. Or don't follow the plan. Ust loves people that don't follow the plan.

Posting roll in your group takes less than 1 minute. Not passing judgement here, and never been on a jury... But I can post roll from my phone while I'm stopped at a stoplight. It isn't rocket science. But it is the first part of the ktc quit equation. Violate that part and the slope becomes slippery.

I'm sorry about the troubles of life that we all encounter. Since I've been on this site, I have seen spouses walk out on quitters. Quitters lose their jobs. Quitters and close family members get devastating health news. Quitters lose close family members. But the quitters keep posting roll. This isn't like putting a gas BBQ together out if the box! It only takes a minute!

I applaud jlud for standing up to show his commitment. Quitting is no joke. Only about 25% of my April 2013 group is still participating. The bond we have is strong. January 2013 lost a quitter this week to a cave. That group just got even stronger. Jlud started out in this site with weak participation. Didn't connect. Didn't keep his word. And he wasted about 3 more months after that pause before he came back. He learned a lot about what it takes to quit in that time.

When he came back, he came back with a vengeance. He is a quit machine. Cheers others on. Posts roll damn early every day in several groups. Checks on others when he doesn't see their posts. Reaches out to newbies in intros. Participates in chat. And I have some more days under my belt than jlud does, but he has been a strong force in building my commitment to this process.

Won't comment on the glass house comment other than to point out that if jlud lives in one, it will be nicotine free. Even if you live in a brick house... If you don't follow the ktc plan, the big bad nicotine wolf will likely come and huff and puff and blow your house in. I think I'll quit jlud style again today.

[Jlud007]

Day 87..here is a post I made today that I want to remember. I only hope it was beneficial for someone besides me. (their convo was on Sept 19, 2013 for future reference)

I am glad you two have agreed to disagree, at least that is what appears. I am only responding to provoke thought in as many quitters as possible.

Through this conversation Whiplashsmile is accusing Jlud of being judge, jury, and executioner when he is simply stating facts. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Is this not being the judge, jury, and executioner of Jlud?

Whiplashsmile has a point, none of us can actually know without a doubt the degree of commitment in someone to themselves because it is personal. However, our actions are examples, evidence, proof of this commitment. Whiplashsmile has a definite special circumstance and it is admirable to be doing what you are doing with the other family as you work on healing yourself.

It is your choice to decide each day how much involvement you want to have on this site, how much you want to invest in your quit, and how much you want to invest in others. I am not trying to make this decision for you but want to offer some info to consider that I have learned from a previous cave after 3yrs of stopping and experience as a professional who works with addicts daily. If we do not invest in our quit nor in others who are quitting with us the probability of long-term sobriety decreases significantly. Why? Because we become complacent.

I have not seen a duck yet who has offered accountability, constructive confrontation, or encouragement that has not meant it genuinely for the betterment of others. Yet, some continue to find it abrasive and respond as if it is meant to boast while making them feel like shit. I don't think this has been the intention of anyone who has offered feedback. I may have missed something though.

Commitment to self and or others is again proven by actions. Commitment and self-discipline are not mutually-exclusive. Thus, if one is committed they are utilizing and presenting with self-discipline. This means they will do everything possible to follow through with the plan to stay quit.

If you ask your self, "Am I doing everything I can to strengthen my quit and strengthen my resolve," and the answer is yes, then there is no reason to defend yourself. However, often many people will resist and rebuke those who offer solid, appropriate accountability because they are questioning themselves. Again, this not specifically direct at Whiplashsmile. Simply, the convo between him and Jlud spurred these thoughts and remain a tool to help illustrate.

I wrote this for all of us to reflect upon. May all DUCKS stay quit and Quack on!

I appreciate your input FI, your a fine duck and quitter. Glad to have you along with me in this ride of ours. I certainly had no idea what Whiplash was dealing with during his quit, I only meant to stir up some accountability as far as roll call was concerned.

However I stand by my opinions as far as roll is concerned and would dare to say that most long time vets around the site would agree. Even in the most extreme of circumstances I might even say it's even more important to text or find a way to reach a brother to post for you. Making my daily promise to all of you to remain nicotine free today is just what I know "I" have to do stay quit today. Then I can deal with whatever life throws at me the rest of the day.

[Pinched]

Day 87..here is a post I made today that I want to remember. I only hope it was beneficial for someone besides me. (their convo was on Sept 19, 2013 for future reference)

I am glad you two have agreed to disagree, at least that is what appears. I am only responding to provoke thought in as many quitters as possible.

Through this conversation Whiplashsmile is accusing Jlud of being judge, jury, and executioner when he is simply stating facts. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Is this not being the judge, jury, and executioner of Jlud?

Whiplashsmile has a point, none of us can actually know without a doubt the degree of commitment in someone to themselves because it is personal. However, our actions are examples, evidence, proof of this commitment. Whiplashsmile has a definite special circumstance and it is admirable to be doing what you are doing with the other family as you work on healing yourself.

It is your choice to decide each day how much involvement you want to have on this site, how much you want to invest in your quit, and how much you want to invest in others. I am not trying to make this decision for you but want to offer some info to consider that I have learned from a previous cave after 3yrs of stopping and experience as a professional who works with addicts daily. If we do not invest in our quit nor in others who are quitting with us the probability of long-term sobriety decreases significantly. Why? Because we become complacent.

I have not seen a duck yet who has offered accountability, constructive confrontation, or encouragement that has not meant it genuinely for the betterment of others. Yet, some continue to find it abrasive and respond as if it is meant to boast while making them feel like shit. I don't think this has been the intention of anyone who has offered feedback. I may have missed something though.

Commitment to self and or others is again proven by actions. Commitment and self-discipline are not mutually-exclusive. Thus, if one is committed they are utilizing and presenting with self-discipline. This means they will do everything possible to follow through with the plan to stay quit.

If you ask your self, "Am I doing everything I can to strengthen my quit and strengthen my resolve," and the answer is yes, then there is no reason to defend yourself. However, often many people will resist and rebuke those who offer solid, appropriate accountability because they are questioning themselves. Again, this not specifically direct at Whiplashsmile. Simply, the convo between him and Jlud spurred these thoughts and remain a tool to help illustrate.

I wrote this for all of us to reflect upon. May all DUCKS stay quit and Quack on!

I don't want to sound like Rodney King here but "Can't we all just get along?"

[FIGHTIN-IGNORANCE]

Day 87..here is a post I made today that I want to remember. I only hope it was beneficial for someone besides me. (their convo was on Sept 19, 2013 for future reference)

I am glad you two have agreed to disagree, at least that is what appears. I am only responding to provoke thought in as many quitters as possible.

Through this conversation Whiplashsmile is accusing Jlud of being judge, jury, and executioner when he is simply stating facts. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black? Is this not being the judge, jury, and executioner of Jlud?

Whiplashsmile has a point, none of us can actually know without a doubt the degree of commitment in someone to themselves because it is personal. However, our actions are examples, evidence, proof of this commitment. Whiplashsmile has a definite special circumstance and it is admirable to be doing what you are doing with the other family as you work on healing yourself.

It is your choice to decide each day how much involvement you want to have on this site, how much you want to invest in your quit, and how much you want to invest in others. I am not trying to make this decision for you but want to offer some info to consider that I have learned from a previous cave after 3yrs of stopping and experience as a professional who works with addicts daily. If we do not invest in our quit nor in others who are quitting with us the probability of long-term sobriety decreases significantly. Why? Because we become complacent.

I have not seen a duck yet who has offered accountability, constructive confrontation, or encouragement that has not meant it genuinely for the betterment of others. Yet, some continue to find it abrasive and respond as if it is meant to boast while making them feel like shit. I don't think this has been the intention of anyone who has offered feedback. I may have missed something though.

Commitment to self and or others is again proven by actions. Commitment and self-discipline are not mutually-exclusive. Thus, if one is committed they are utilizing and presenting with self-discipline. This means they will do everything possible to follow through with the plan to stay quit.

If you ask your self, "Am I doing everything I can to strengthen my quit and strengthen my resolve," and the answer is yes, then there is no reason to defend yourself. However, often many people will resist and rebuke those who offer solid, appropriate accountability because they are questioning themselves. Again, this not specifically direct at Whiplashsmile. Simply, the convo between him and Jlud spurred these thoughts and remain a tool to help illustrate.

I wrote this for all of us to reflect upon. May all DUCKS stay quit and Quack on!

[FIGHTIN-IGNORANCE]

Day 70...Well, things have been going well. Today i have been feeling weird. It is like the SUCK is back. Of course, the vets have warned us and Loot even posted a reminder to our group today that this time frame will snatch a few of us if we let it. I have a headache from hell but I am still quit and I will stay this way. Her is a little reminder of the SUCK and why I, plus other DUCKS, whould be listening to the vets. They know the Quit! Piss off Nic! 'na na'

[Mike from AB]

Found this toady on Facebook. This me to a "T"! My wife gets so mad at me,
'crackup'


http://www.myfunbash.com/pictu/86/Men-A ... After-Bath



Who else loves the Helicopter?

ROFLMBO that's awesome!! :D

[FIGHTIN-IGNORANCE]

Found this toady on Facebook. This me to a "T"! My wife gets so mad at me,
'crackup'


http://www.myfunbash.com/pictu/86/Men-A ... After-Bath



Who else loves the Helicopter?

[Pinched]

Thanks Miles and Paradigm for your words. Appreciate the input and suggestions.

Today was day 64

Great News..I ran 3 miles today. Dang I am so sorry from Monday. Dang I am outta shape. Looking forward to continuing this with my quit. I have noticed my head was really clear after both workouts and for hours after, including right now. So nice!

Another great gift is that I didn't crave a dip today after I worked out. But I did eat right after so maybe that is why. I guess PDawg new what he was talking about 'winker' ..I new he did because I had learned the same information before.

I have noticed another thing. Although I continue to love the seeds, I have noticed I do not enjoy the smokey mountain much anymore. I guess my brain is no longer  'zombie' wanting the nic. Now I think, "What is the F'ing point of this crap being in there." It felt so good to have this thought the other night when I was wanting a dip. I freakin love being free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'oh yeah'  'oh yeah'  'oh yeah'  'oh yeah'

Congrats on a 3 mile run. I can't run at all. Well, I can but I refuse too.

The thing that amazes me the most, on my quit, is how quickly I got use to an empty lip. I mean, I dipped 100% of the time I was awake and then quit, went through 4 cans of SM, several bags of beef jerky, two of those huge cans of gum and then nothing.

Strangest thing last night, I had a dip dream but it was about Smokey Mountain and I was disappointed that I had to buy another can.

I think this was the bitch trying to talk to me but even my sub conscience can knock that little girl down now. My last thought when I went to bed last night was "I made it through a whole freaking day with out a crave" and then she tried to whisper in my ear.

Great news on the 3 miles. If you ever need help staying motivated for running, you may want to find a neighbor's dog and piss it off then let it out to chase while you run. Also note that a toy breed dog chasing you will make you look like a complete pansy. I would recommend a dog breed that is not known for being too vicious to starts with, then step up to a Pit Bull.

Finally remember that loose fitting clothes while running may give the dog something to grab ahold of; that however does not warrant your wearing a spandex suit unless you are in the Blue Man Group.

QFQQ,
Pinched

[ParadigmDawg]

Thanks Miles and Paradigm for your words. Appreciate the input and suggestions.

Today was day 64

Great News..I ran 3 miles today. Dang I am so sorry from Monday. Dang I am outta shape. Looking forward to continuing this with my quit. I have noticed my head was really clear after both workouts and for hours after, including right now. So nice!

Another great gift is that I didn't crave a dip today after I worked out. But I did eat right after so maybe that is why. I guess PDawg new what he was talking about 'winker' ..I new he did because I had learned the same information before.

I have noticed another thing. Although I continue to love the seeds, I have noticed I do not enjoy the smokey mountain much anymore. I guess my brain is no longer 'zombie' wanting the nic. Now I think, "What is the F'ing point of this crap being in there." It felt so good to have this thought the other night when I was wanting a dip. I freakin love being free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah'

Congrats on a 3 mile run. I can't run at all. Well, I can but I refuse too.

The thing that amazes me the most, on my quit, is how quickly I got use to an empty lip. I mean, I dipped 100% of the time I was awake and then quit, went through 4 cans of SM, several bags of beef jerky, two of those huge cans of gum and then nothing.

Strangest thing last night, I had a dip dream but it was about Smokey Mountain and I was disappointed that I had to buy another can.

I think this was the bitch trying to talk to me but even my sub conscience can knock that little girl down now. My last thought when I went to bed last night was "I made it through a whole freaking day with out a crave" and then she tried to whisper in my ear.

[FIGHTIN-IGNORANCE]

Thanks Miles and Paradigm for your words. Appreciate the input and suggestions.

Today was day 64

Great News..I ran 3 miles today. Dang I am so sorry from Monday. Dang I am outta shape. Looking forward to continuing this with my quit. I have noticed my head was really clear after both workouts and for hours after, including right now. So nice!

Another great gift is that I didn't crave a dip today after I worked out. But I did eat right after so maybe that is why. I guess PDawg new what he was talking about 'winker' ..I new he did because I had learned the same information before.

I have noticed another thing. Although I continue to love the seeds, I have noticed I do not enjoy the smokey mountain much anymore. I guess my brain is no longer 'zombie' wanting the nic. Now I think, "What is the F'ing point of this crap being in there." It felt so good to have this thought the other night when I was wanting a dip. I freakin love being free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah' 'oh yeah'

[ParadigmDawg]

I was just about to ask if you have been working out. Your craves seem more numerous than mine and I was thinking that the key difference is the training.

I am really glad you started back, I think this will show you tons of improvement very quickly.

Don't worry about that post work out crave, it was my worst but only lasted a couple of weeks.

Remember that your body craves nutrition right after a work out and it can assimilate the greatest amount of nutrients during that 30 minute period after the workout. Take advantage of that time window. I use to forgo this important period because I wanted a dip worse so now I take pleasure; that I can give my body what it really needs.

[miles]

Day 62... Wow, it has been over two months since I have had that weed in my mouth. The urge or cravings continue to persist. Coffee is a huge pain in my rear-end but I enjoy the caffeine in the morn. Not sure I want to get rid of the caffeine all together. I keep hearing the lies the addiction wants me to believe. The lies I tell myself. So frustrating because I know how horrible this drug has been to me but my thinking is so egotistical sometimes. I am Frustrated that I continue to want dip at certain times of the day. Egotistical because I know it will kill me and I know how it impacted all aspects of my life but I find myself whispering that it will be different this time. HOGWASH! Bunch of B.S. 'Crazy'

I have been snapping myself out of this poisonous thinking quickly but it continues to come back. I am so happy to be free from Nicotine's claws because I can now tell myself, "piss off.....you don't need it nor do you genuinely want it!" The battles are still often but feel short-lived. This is encouraging despite the urges continue.

I try to remember 6300 plus day I lived with an I.V. Bag full of this sick crap and now I am 62 days without it. I am doing great for 62 days.! 'oh yeah'

I am going to work on accepting these 62 days and enjoying them. Thanks to all of you who have helped my quit!! I can't express my gratitude in words. It is awesome to be free!!!!!!!!!!! Today I am quit and I plan to make tomorrow a +1.....This is the best way I can show my gratitude. QUACK! QUACK!

The last thing to mention today is that I began to workout again. Today I did 30min cross-fit workout. I have my own pull up bar, bumper plates and barbell, and dumbbells. I did 3 rounds of 600 meter run, 10 air squats, 7 power cleans at 115, 12 American Swings at 50lbs, and 5 pull ups. I know this isn't impressive but I am starting over. I haven't worked out in over a year. I use to do more reps and more wight on each exercise in half the time. I will get back there though. It felt great to exercise again. I was craving a fatty about 30 mins after the workout but it subsided in about 10 mins. Seeds rock! Anyway, feels great to make another healthy change. Now it is about continuing it. Quit on Brutha's and Sista's.

Proud of you and those 62 days of quit badassery! You are right in that quitting just isn't easy. You can't flip a switch and instantly change yourself into a person who isn't an addict. Unfortunately it's not that simple and it took me a loooooong time to come to grips with that. I still hate myself for ever starting in the first place because this shit is an Every Damn Day struggle. I am an addict for life. I can never have just one.

It still is one day at a time, regardless of how many quit days you rack up. The only quit day that matters is today. I see you on here giving encouragement and being a genuine badass quitter that wants to help others and that's what is awesome about your quit. THAT is owning it.

Congratulations to you. You are a giant amongst quitters. You are standing shoulder to shoulder with your brothers and sisters and giving it hell.

PROUD to call you a Brother in Quit. Fight On!

[FIGHTIN-IGNORANCE]

Day 62... Wow, it has been over two months since I have had that weed in my mouth. The urge or cravings continue to persist. Coffee is a huge pain in my rear-end but I enjoy the caffeine in the morn. Not sure I want to get rid of the caffeine all together. I keep hearing the lies the addiction wants me to believe. The lies I tell myself. So frustrating because I know how horrible this drug has been to me but my thinking is so egotistical sometimes. I am Frustrated that I continue to want dip at certain times of the day. Egotistical because I know it will kill me and I know how it impacted all aspects of my life but I find myself whispering that it will be different this time. HOGWASH! Bunch of B.S. 'Crazy'

I have been snapping myself out of this poisonous thinking quickly but it continues to come back. I am so happy to be free from Nicotine's claws because I can now tell myself, "piss off.....you don't need it nor do you genuinely want it!" The battles are still often but feel short-lived. This is encouraging despite the urges continue.

I try to remember 6300 plus day I lived with an I.V. Bag full of this sick crap and now I am 62 days without it. I am doing great for 62 days.! 'oh yeah'

I am going to work on accepting these 62 days and enjoying them. Thanks to all of you who have helped my quit!! I can't express my gratitude in words. It is awesome to be free!!!!!!!!!!! Today I am quit and I plan to make tomorrow a +1.....This is the best way I can show my gratitude. QUACK! QUACK!

The last thing to mention today is that I began to workout again. Today I did 30min cross-fit workout. I have my own pull up bar, bumper plates and barbell, and dumbbells. I did 3 rounds of 600 meter run, 10 air squats, 7 power cleans at 115, 12 American Swings at 50lbs, and 5 pull ups. I know this isn't impressive but I am starting over. I haven't worked out in over a year. I use to do more reps and more wight on each exercise in half the time. I will get back there though. It felt great to exercise again. I was craving a fatty about 30 mins after the workout but it subsided in about 10 mins. Seeds rock! Anyway, feels great to make another healthy change. Now it is about continuing it. Quit on Brutha's and Sista's.