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[pkpzp228]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

[GlennFtheKodiak]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

[pkpzp228]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

[Skoal Monster]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

[cdforecheck]

...for day 14 because as I understand it 14 is the number of days it takes to psychologically break a habit...

after hitting over 125 days...around late december and came as close to as i ever have to ending this wonderful relationship with the assholes around here by simply looking at the shit in a kroger and wanting it so bad i could actually feel my fingnernail breaking the seal...thank god/fate/whatever they didn't have 'my poison' cause it all would have ended right there, and yea i told the folks here and got a well deserved ass chewing for it but i am still quit and more vigilant in monitoring myself...14 days or 1400 days you can't let up even for a minute on this

if your gf motivates you great my kids and spouse motivated me, but it wasn't until i quit for me that i finally succeeded

cdforecheck
26 year user, 280 something day quitter, never gonna be cured or fixed, nicotine addict

[nkt]

A few comments Sally:

1. Quitting tobacco turns just about everyone into a vagina for a while. We may give you shit for being overly sensitive, but we understand because we've all been there.

2. Quitting doesn't necessarily have to be the most important thing in your life, but it had better be in the realm of "Things-on-which-I-refuse-to-compromise". It needs to be really important to you or you will become complacent and fail. Most importantly, your quit has to remain more valuable to you than the perceived "rewards" of "just one" dip.

3. Excuses and procrastination are key elements of the nicotine-addiction trap. Accountability created by a daily promise (roll call) is a very helpful way to nullify bullshit excuses and make the quit "right now". 99% of the time, avoiding roll call is the beginning of a subconsciously-planned cave. Nobody will expect you to climb back down Kilimanjaro to make roll call before proceeding to the top; I think that's clearly in the other 1% of reasons to miss roll call.

4. I am very impressed by your punctuation and the correct use of "your" and "you're". Edit: I'm being serious here, it's more the exception than the rule to get this right, and it's refreshing.

[Greg5280]

I will tell you like I tell everyone that has "issues" with something someone said. This site is wide open to anyone who wants to quit, therefore we have a WIDE variety of people here.

The site has good information and help. Use what you need and leave the rest. I am not sure what the conversation was, have not read it. I for one am a FIRM believer in posting roll every day. Have done it for 180 days straight but that is my opinion.

Keep on quitting.. the rest will take care of itself.

[pkpzp228]

Day 20,

Today is vent and I'm doing it here because this is my place and to do it in my quit group would only serve to push me closer to disassociation.

I respect this community and I respect what people are doing here. In fact I hold a high level of respect for any one or any community that performs selfless acts.

I don't need this group to quit, I only needed to make the decision but I'm here for a couple reasons; I respect what people are doing here and if I can be one more person to be accountable to for each person then I'll do my part; despite my Livestrong, never say die attitude towards life, this community is like money in the bank. I know that if one day some cataclysmic event happens that knocks me off my soapbox and onto my ass, I can count on having a support base to keep me to my word.

That said, I guess you can call me a skirt wearing, overly sensitive, tree hugging, yoga loving hippy named Sally. But I'm also an extremely strong person, physically mentally and morally and one of the things that I don't stand for is being disrespected or seeing others disrespected. I'm not the kind of person that under normal circumstances is goona get in your face because you disrespect me. I'll just turn the other cheek and go back to concentrating on making my life better and you can go back to drinking budwiser in your wife beater. But when it comes to this site, I gave my word to this community so I stick it out.

Don't get me wrong, I really haven't personally been offended around here I just find the behavior of some people around quite offensive. There are two types of people around here, those that make every effort to provide support, insight and inspiration to those seeking it and another type whom I've never heard a word out of except to talk shit. I understand the "don't make me kick you in the balls you caver" mentality, some people need that kind of motivation. I also understand the crazy rhetoric spewing born again nicotine quitter zealots, quitting chewing is a difficult thing and anyone who can do it should be proud of it. There is no place in my life for personal slander, I don't stand for it.

"I quite for this reason"
"well I quit for this reason and my reason is the right reason and for that you're fucking stupid"

No, you have a personal problem, or a quitters chip on your shoulder or for whatever reason you thrive, and I would go as far as to say hope that I fail in my quit so that you can one day say I told you so and reaffirm just how much of a badass you really are. Well sorry, if you haven't already picked it up I don't roll like that. I'll quite just to spite you if that's your attitude. Frankly I don't give a shit, again under normal circumstances I would just leave you to troll.

But one thing that has particularly rubbed me the wrong way pertains to a discussion that went on yesterday. Specifically regarding a statement that someone was not going to be able to make role for the following day or two. The general consensus was that this was un-acceptable. You know in 90% of the circumstances I would agree, if you have internet access than you make role, if you have a phone that you call someone who makes role for you. This a commitment not only to yourself but to others as well right? This point came across well and I think it's generally well accepted. But it also seemed that there are some out there that feel that there is no reason why you wouldn't make role. Well I have a problem with that. Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do. In addition to not chewing ever again I also tend to my fitness, mountain bike, boulder, rock climb, ice climb, practice yoga, instruct black belt teakwondo and alpine climb including climbing 27 of Colorado's 14,000 ft peaks in the last year and a half. I guarantee that in the course of the next 80 days there will be numerous times when I not only don't have internet access but won't be within phone range to call for help if my life depended on it (literally) for multiple days at a time, even up to a week if a plan to climb Kilimanjaro pans out this summer.

I will do my best to make arrangements, like on 2 day climbs, posting at 2:00 am on the way out, then again at 11:00 pm the following day on the way in. Or on longer excursions I will give my word for multiple days or ask that someone else posts role for me. But I will not put my life on hold, this isn't nicotine making excuses for me this is my life and I live it. If that's not acceptable to the hardcore non limp wristed quitologists around here than I think I've come to the wrong place because I don't surround myself with those kind of "supporters".

Maybe its the day 20 nicotine cravings talking or maybe I'm just a limp wristed pussy but I needed that off my chest.

See you in day 21.

[pkpzp228]

Day 12,

Was goona wait for day 14 because as I understand it 14 is the number of days it takes to psychologically break a habit and to me that's my first milestone.  In any case I feel like sharing today and this is going to be my ad-hoc journal.

I feel that I have it easier than many others around here and by no means do I want to make light of the struggles that others are going through.  For me cravings just aren't all that difficult to deal with, yes they are intense at times but nothing more difficult for me to deal with than any hardcore diet has ever been.  I'm sure the big swinging dicks will beg to differ with me on that one but the reality is nicotine and addiction in general effect different in different ways.  For me, I've always had an addictive personality, from booze to sex, dope to exercise if I do it I do it compulsively.  But on the other hand I've also been successful at everything I've applied myself to and quitting chew is and will be no different.

I own my quit, my reasons are only a means to an end.  I've made a commitment to be nicotine free to this group and more importantly to myself and for that reason it doesn't matter how many people I tell that I quit, if I let one down I let them all down. 

I've decided that it's my time to quit and that's reason enough.  As it was very eloquently put in a post to the July group, "DECISION and DESIRE are two different things".

See you in day 13.

Congrats on day 12 my friend! That's awesome work right there.

I'll just say one thing... if you've been told that it takes 14 days to get over a habit, you've been grossly misinformed. It DOES take 72 hours to get nicotine out of your system, but breaking the "habit" can take MUCH MUCH MUCH longer.

We talk a lot about the "hundred day hall of fame" but even at 100 days you most likely won't be over your habit. Sorry to say.

Take it day by day... anything more can be too overwhelming.

chewie

Thanks for the encouragement. Yea I looked it up and it seems to be generally accepted that it's 21 days to break a habit. I didn't mean break the habit habit of chewing in general, I meant break the mental association of performing some single action.

For example, having a dip every time I play xbox. After ~3 weeks the mental association of xbox = chew will hopefully be gone.

[chewie]

Day 12,

Was goona wait for day 14 because as I understand it 14 is the number of days it takes to psychologically break a habit and to me that's my first milestone. In any case I feel like sharing today and this is going to be my ad-hoc journal.

I feel that I have it easier than many others around here and by no means do I want to make light of the struggles that others are going through. For me cravings just aren't all that difficult to deal with, yes they are intense at times but nothing more difficult for me to deal with than any hardcore diet has ever been. I'm sure the big swinging dicks will beg to differ with me on that one but the reality is nicotine and addiction in general effect different in different ways. For me, I've always had an addictive personality, from booze to sex, dope to exercise if I do it I do it compulsively. But on the other hand I've also been successful at everything I've applied myself to and quitting chew is and will be no different.

I own my quit, my reasons are only a means to an end. I've made a commitment to be nicotine free to this group and more importantly to myself and for that reason it doesn't matter how many people I tell that I quit, if I let one down I let them all down.

I've decided that it's my time to quit and that's reason enough. As it was very eloquently put in a post to the July group, "DECISION and DESIRE are two different things".

See you in day 13.

Congrats on day 12 my friend! That's awesome work right there.

I'll just say one thing... if you've been told that it takes 14 days to get over a habit, you've been grossly misinformed. It DOES take 72 hours to get nicotine out of your system, but breaking the "habit" can take MUCH MUCH MUCH longer.

We talk a lot about the "hundred day hall of fame" but even at 100 days you most likely won't be over your habit. Sorry to say.

Take it day by day... anything more can be too overwhelming.

chewie

[pkpzp228]

Day 12,

Was goona wait for day 14 because as I understand it 14 is the number of days it takes to psychologically break a habit and to me that's my first milestone. In any case I feel like sharing today and this is going to be my ad-hoc journal.

I feel that I have it easier than many others around here and by no means do I want to make light of the struggles that others are going through. For me cravings just aren't all that difficult to deal with, yes they are intense at times but nothing more difficult for me to deal with than any hardcore diet has ever been. I'm sure the big swinging dicks will beg to differ with me on that one but the reality is nicotine and addiction in general effect different in different ways. For me, I've always had an addictive personality, from booze to sex, dope to exercise if I do it I do it compulsively. But on the other hand I've also been successful at everything I've applied myself to and quitting chew is and will be no different.

I own my quit, my reasons are only a means to an end. I've made a commitment to be nicotine free to this group and more importantly to myself and for that reason it doesn't matter how many people I tell that I quit, if I let one down I let them all down.

I've decided that it's my time to quit and that's reason enough. As it was very eloquently put in a post to the July group, "DECISION and DESIRE are two different things".

See you in day 13.

[redtrain14]

sounds like a bunch of little girls in here arguing screaming, pinching, pulling hair, biting, slapping! shut the fuck up and get quit!

Sounds like you should heed your own advice from what I can tell.....

[mustangs21089]

My third day quit, 31 years old, chewed for around 16 years.

Recently started dating a new girl who exclaimed how disgusted she is by chewing.  Doesn't know I chew(ed),  I honestly don't really want to quit but figure when will there ever be a better time.  Anyway keep on keepin on.


~cheers

Good luck....doosh.

hmm, I'm curious is doosh like douche? Is that encouragement?

Yep...that's encouragement. You need to read A LOT on this site. IF you quit for your girlfriend, are you gonna cave if you break up?? You need to quit for yourself. Get serious about it or you will fucking fail! This site isn't about half-assing it.

Sorry, douche.

Ahh I get it, that's clever.

Let me rephrase, I don't want to quit enjoying chew. I know that it's bad for my health and I take my health very seriously, I also want to prove to myself that I'm better than an addiction to nicotine.

In any case making the choice is the first step regardless of my reasons and you're an asshole, see you a hundred days.

"I don't want to quit enjoying chew"

By gosh he's got it now.

The reasons are important, think about it a little harder.

We are dealing with a fucking sharp one here!!! Fucking fog has got this guy, I think.

lol, if nothing else this is good distraction. I don't mean to offend nor make light of your or anyone else's struggle to kick this habit, I'm making the effort but you hurting my delicate sensitivities.

Just making sure you are getting the right mindset.

Now stay quit, or we'll will kick you in your delicate sensitivities.

'nutkick'

You need anything, dont' be afraid to shout out, people will be falling all over themselves to help.

That was some funny shit. Well done boys.

New guy (sorry can't go back and check your screen name) as you can see we don't fuck around here. You may take it the wrong way, and fuck you if you do, but you see in the end, all we want to do is make sure you stay quit. I think you are smart enough to realize that.

Carry on.

Thanks redtrain,

And Glenn as for taking it the wrong way, it's not difficult to discern people by the way they treat others. As for greg, it's obvious he's an elitist prick. And before you go telling me oh that's just the way he is, you can save it. Frankly it's pathetic when someone preys upon another who is only looking for support.

I'll make all of you a deal, you can save your asshole attitudes for the losers who let you treat them that way. Me I'll stop making role call the I day fall off the wagon.

See you in day 4.

~cheers

That's Mr. Elitist Prick to you.

Bottom line....don't stuff you piehole with chew. If you need help, ask. You will run in to all kinds of pricks on here.....none bigger than me. But if you need help, we are here to help. Obviously you are wouldn't be here if you didn't need help, so reach out and get it. You can do this.

Chode.

Again, when you come on here with your guard up thinking this one's an elitiest, this one's a dick, this one thinks he's better than me, this one's mean, you are setting yourself up for failure. Suck it up, realize you are new at this, you are struggling and anyone right now with one more day than you is better than you and can help you. Just my advice lover if you want to get to day 5.

Personally I don't care to carry on the argument. But I didn't come here with my guard up thinking all of those thing. I introduced myself and got flamed right of the gate. Leave it at that. Today is day 4 and I don't feel like arguing with you.

sounds like a bunch of little girls in here arguing screaming, pinching, pulling hair, biting, slapping! shut the fuck up and get quit!

[pkpzp228]

My third day quit, 31 years old, chewed for around 16 years.

Recently started dating a new girl who exclaimed how disgusted she is by chewing.  Doesn't know I chew(ed),  I honestly don't really want to quit but figure when will there ever be a better time.  Anyway keep on keepin on.


~cheers

Good luck....doosh.

hmm, I'm curious is doosh like douche? Is that encouragement?

Yep...that's encouragement. You need to read A LOT on this site. IF you quit for your girlfriend, are you gonna cave if you break up?? You need to quit for yourself. Get serious about it or you will fucking fail! This site isn't about half-assing it.

Sorry, douche.

Ahh I get it, that's clever.

Let me rephrase, I don't want to quit enjoying chew. I know that it's bad for my health and I take my health very seriously, I also want to prove to myself that I'm better than an addiction to nicotine.

In any case making the choice is the first step regardless of my reasons and you're an asshole, see you a hundred days.

"I don't want to quit enjoying chew"

By gosh he's got it now.

The reasons are important, think about it a little harder.

We are dealing with a fucking sharp one here!!! Fucking fog has got this guy, I think.

lol, if nothing else this is good distraction. I don't mean to offend nor make light of your or anyone else's struggle to kick this habit, I'm making the effort but you hurting my delicate sensitivities.

Just making sure you are getting the right mindset.

Now stay quit, or we'll will kick you in your delicate sensitivities.

'nutkick'

You need anything, dont' be afraid to shout out, people will be falling all over themselves to help.

That was some funny shit. Well done boys.

New guy (sorry can't go back and check your screen name) as you can see we don't fuck around here. You may take it the wrong way, and fuck you if you do, but you see in the end, all we want to do is make sure you stay quit. I think you are smart enough to realize that.

Carry on.

Thanks redtrain,

And Glenn as for taking it the wrong way, it's not difficult to discern people by the way they treat others. As for greg, it's obvious he's an elitist prick. And before you go telling me oh that's just the way he is, you can save it. Frankly it's pathetic when someone preys upon another who is only looking for support.

I'll make all of you a deal, you can save your asshole attitudes for the losers who let you treat them that way. Me I'll stop making role call the I day fall off the wagon.

See you in day 4.

~cheers

That's Mr. Elitist Prick to you.

Bottom line....don't stuff you piehole with chew. If you need help, ask. You will run in to all kinds of pricks on here.....none bigger than me. But if you need help, we are here to help. Obviously you are wouldn't be here if you didn't need help, so reach out and get it. You can do this.

Chode.

Again, when you come on here with your guard up thinking this one's an elitiest, this one's a dick, this one thinks he's better than me, this one's mean, you are setting yourself up for failure. Suck it up, realize you are new at this, you are struggling and anyone right now with one more day than you is better than you and can help you. Just my advice lover if you want to get to day 5.

Personally I don't care to carry on the argument. But I didn't come here with my guard up thinking all of those thing. I introduced myself and got flamed right of the gate. Leave it at that. Today is day 4 and I don't feel like arguing with you.

[GlennFtheKodiak]

My third day quit, 31 years old, chewed for around 16 years.

Recently started dating a new girl who exclaimed how disgusted she is by chewing.  Doesn't know I chew(ed),  I honestly don't really want to quit but figure when will there ever be a better time.  Anyway keep on keepin on.


~cheers

Good luck....doosh.

hmm, I'm curious is doosh like douche? Is that encouragement?

Yep...that's encouragement. You need to read A LOT on this site. IF you quit for your girlfriend, are you gonna cave if you break up?? You need to quit for yourself. Get serious about it or you will fucking fail! This site isn't about half-assing it.

Sorry, douche.

Ahh I get it, that's clever.

Let me rephrase, I don't want to quit enjoying chew. I know that it's bad for my health and I take my health very seriously, I also want to prove to myself that I'm better than an addiction to nicotine.

In any case making the choice is the first step regardless of my reasons and you're an asshole, see you a hundred days.

"I don't want to quit enjoying chew"

By gosh he's got it now.

The reasons are important, think about it a little harder.

We are dealing with a fucking sharp one here!!! Fucking fog has got this guy, I think.

lol, if nothing else this is good distraction. I don't mean to offend nor make light of your or anyone else's struggle to kick this habit, I'm making the effort but you hurting my delicate sensitivities.

Just making sure you are getting the right mindset.

Now stay quit, or we'll will kick you in your delicate sensitivities.

'nutkick'

You need anything, dont' be afraid to shout out, people will be falling all over themselves to help.

That was some funny shit. Well done boys.

New guy (sorry can't go back and check your screen name) as you can see we don't fuck around here. You may take it the wrong way, and fuck you if you do, but you see in the end, all we want to do is make sure you stay quit. I think you are smart enough to realize that.

Carry on.

Thanks redtrain,

And Glenn as for taking it the wrong way, it's not difficult to discern people by the way they treat others. As for greg, it's obvious he's an elitist prick. And before you go telling me oh that's just the way he is, you can save it. Frankly it's pathetic when someone preys upon another who is only looking for support.

I'll make all of you a deal, you can save your asshole attitudes for the losers who let you treat them that way. Me I'll stop making role call the I day fall off the wagon.

See you in day 4.

~cheers

That's Mr. Elitist Prick to you.

Bottom line....don't stuff you piehole with chew. If you need help, ask. You will run in to all kinds of pricks on here.....none bigger than me. But if you need help, we are here to help. Obviously you are wouldn't be here if you didn't need help, so reach out and get it. You can do this.

Chode.

Again, when you come on here with your guard up thinking this one's an elitiest, this one's a dick, this one thinks he's better than me, this one's mean, you are setting yourself up for failure. Suck it up, realize you are new at this, you are struggling and anyone right now with one more day than you is better than you and can help you. Just my advice lover if you want to get to day 5.